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Lukuluku69:
Christians and justifications.

So, Christianity was spread with brutes force yet it is Islam that the same Europeans have us believed was spread by the Sword.

No be so?

There’s a difference between going to war with the banner of Christ and a jihad. When the colonial empires acquired territories the aim wasn’t to spread religion which inadvertently happened, but rather for resources and human trafficking. The point is, their faith made them victors against their adversaries backed by other gods. So we can theorize that the religion works.

Commentor:
China nko?

Abi you dey avoid that one?

Unfortunately there’s been no real Eurasian war/conflict/conquest. But using Thailand and Malaysia as samples, if indeed there was one at that time, China would’ve become a Christian nation.

Mattswaggz:
You're speaking ill of the deity of ur ancestors....with the borrow religion...haven't you become worse?. .

Regale me, which century’s religion do you align with? Centuries BC? Or AD? What if? Just what if, the so called ancestral religions we revere were actually foisted on us by conquests from other nations before recorded history.

We are here now, as the present, future and someone’s ancestors. And if I could leave a message in a bottle I’d tell my progeny that they should follow a religion that supports peace, love, righteousness and forgiveness. Steer clear of anyone that takes you to the river, or demands human sacrifice.

Baxilexi:
Unfortunately there’s been no real Eurasian war/conflict/conquest. But using Thailand and Malaysia as samples, if indeed there was one at that time, China would’ve become a Christian nation.

Why is it thriving without Christianity?

MR PRESIDENT OF NIGERIA IS A "CHRISLAM".

Baxilexi:
Regale me, which century’s religion do you align with? Centuries BC? Or AD? What if? Just what if, the so called ancestral religions we revere were actually foisted on us by conquests from other nations before recorded history.

We are here now, as the present, future and someone’s ancestors. And if I could leave a message in a bottle I’d tell my progeny that they should follow a religion that supports peace, love, righteousness and forgiveness. Steer clear of anyone that takes you to the river, or demands human sacrifice.

Well I don't see how what's you're saying getting anything to do with what I said.

I don't believe in speaking ill of others beliefs except if it is rooted in evil....the only religion everyone should believe in is Good, humanity and Nature.....all these self exhalation and speaking ill of others belief system are most likely man made idealogies to serve specific purposes.

Mattswaggz:
Well I don't see how what's you're saying getting anything to do with what I said.

I don't believe in speaking ill of others beliefs except if it is rooted in evil....the only religion everyone should believe in is Good, humanity and Nature.....all these self exhalation and speaking ill of others belief system are most likely man made idealogies to serve specific purposes.

Well then, take it from someone that’s has explored a bit. From palaces/shrines in badagry, the Ogboni temple in PK10, Cotonou, the door that gets slammed with live chicken till its blood spills at olumo rock, to ouidah a small town between Togo and Benin republic where all sorts of enchantments are sold, with snakes and chameleon temples, the African religions is rooted in bestial diabolism.

I agree with you, embrace a religion that is pro-humanity/divinity.

Commentor:


Why is it thriving without Christianity?

Good question, now you understand how belief systems empowers conquest. If the Chinese ever so desire to expand their territory they may succeed and we will all become Confucianist, Taoist, or Buddhist. Which is not really a religion but a school of thought.

How has our traditional religions helped, kept us worshipping trees and rivers while cannons and ships were being built in other parts of the world. It’s hard to accept but our gods were lesser, ethereal beings.

Baxilexi:
Good question, now you understand how belief systems empowers conquest. If the Chinese ever so desire to expand their territory they may succeed and we will all become Confucianist, Taoist, or Buddhist. Which is not really a religion but a school of thought.

How has our traditional religions helped, kept us worshipping trees and rivers while cannons and ships were being built in other parts of the world. It’s hard to accept but our gods were lesser, ethereal beings.

So, our observation is from one spot?

For instance, the Greeks and Romans have their gods. They were also the most advanced civilisation at one point in time, using all the foundational science that holds even till date.

I guess because they are no longer the most powerful today that means their religion was insufficient.

Baxilexi:
Well then, take it from someone that’s has explored a bit. From palaces/shrines in badagry, the Ogboni temple in PK10, Cotonou, the door that gets slammed with live chicken till its blood spills at olumo rock, to ouidah a small town between Togo and Benin republic where all sorts of enchantments are sold, with snakes and chameleon temples, the African religions is rooted in bestial diabolism.

I agree with you, embrace a religion that is pro-humanity/divinity.

You may be right to some extent regarding some African religion practices but if you ask me I think it has more to do with individual and ancestral methods passed down......they maintain these practices because they are scared of repercussions from the deities they worship as warned by those who passed it down to them.....If they had enough lQ and they understand how life and spirituality works they will realize that these things can be changed to a way they'll be more acceptable and not barbaric.

Also...there are some African tribes whose belief system despises evil and these barbarism.

All in all the black race needs to evolve in their way of thinking and doing things.....just see what they're still doing with the Christianity despite the way is it well doctored....from those using it to enrich themselves at the detriment of others to those using it for politics to those using it to cover their dirty Money etc....to show you that the wickedness and other vices is inbuilt.

Humans(Individual) chose to be wicked or good and thus attracts spirits that will help them achieve what they do desire....those practicing wicked way of worship chose it that way and vice versa. The laws of Nature is constant....the rest is left to humans individually or collectively to handle.

Baxilexi:
Firstly, you somehow took the opportunity to vilify Christianity, which is quite disrespectful and intolerant. Everyone should have the right to religion, but should never use it as an instrument of violence or cohesion. You’re not a scientist hence your ignorance to the argument/validity of the God factor. One of them is called ‘God of gaps’. There are so many constants in science like gravity, that is too precise to be coincidental.

Secondly, you should understand that Christianity was never accepted with open hands, it wasn’t a white-man’s religion as oftentimes parroted. It was a force that couldn’t be stopped, martyrs loved not themselves even unto death, and whichever nation fought in the name of Christ overcame.
Europe was a pagan nation but were overcome by Christianity.
England was very pagan, same with Italy (people like Girolamo Savonarola), the Dutch - Norse Gods couldn’t save them when Christianity came to their door steps, same as the Aztecs.
Down to Africa, our shameless idols, ifa, ogun, ekpe, sango, olokun etc were powerless in the face of Christianity.

Science is about the works of God, religion is about the person of God and both should remain pillars of the Nigerian society.

PS., these politicians are diabolical, don’t be naive to think Tinubu believes in Charles Darwin.

Christianity has always been a white man's religion. The religion developed alongside western civilization and cannot be divorced from it's influence

Baxilexi:
There’s a difference between going to war with the banner of Christ and a jihad. When the colonial empires acquired territories the aim wasn’t to spread religion which inadvertently happened, but rather for resources and human trafficking. The point is, their faith made them victors against their adversaries backed by other gods. So we can theorize that the religion works.

Can we also theorize that Islam works too considering its conquest in Arabia, Syria, Persia, North Africa and elsewhere it was dominant?

Lukuluku69:
Can we also theorize that Islam works too considering its conquest in Arabia, Syria, Persia, North Africa and elsewhere it was dominant?

Yes. My preceding argument will be flawed to disagree. Their methods maybe crude at times, but it being an off shoot of the Abrahamic religions validates the potency of the former.

My belief is, in 300 years, Islam would look very much like the Christianity of today, and Saudi has set the tone by relaxing radical practices.

Mattswaggz:
You may be right to some extent regarding some African religion practices but if you ask me I think it has more to do with individual and ancestral methods passed down......they maintain these practices because they are scared of repercussions from the deities they worship as warned by those who passed it down to them.....If they had enough lQ and they understand how life and spirituality works they will realize that these things can be changed to a way they'll be more acceptable and not barbaric.

Also...there are some African tribes whose belief system despises evil and these barbarism.

All in all the black race needs to evolve in their way of thinking and doing things.....just see what they're still doing with the Christianity despite the way is it well doctored....from those using it to enrich themselves at the detriment of others to those using it for politics to those using it to cover their dirty Money etc....to show you that the wickedness and other vices is inbuilt.

Humans(Individual) chose to be wicked or good and thus attracts spirits that will help them achieve what they do desire....those practicing wicked way of worship chose it that way and vice versa. The laws of Nature is constant....the rest is left to humans individually or collectively to handle.

Well said! Your submission is akin to stoicism.
This was why Christianity was readily accepted in Europe because it aligned with stoic values.

Baxilexi:
Yes. My preceding argument will be flawed to disagree. Their methods maybe crude at times, but it being an off shoot of the Abrahamic religions validates the potency of the former.

My belief is, in 300 years, Islam would look very much like the Christianity of today, and Saudi has set the tone by relaxing radical practices.

Islam will not look like Christianity but rather Muslims will copy more of Western Culture while some will hold fast to the dictates of their Faith. Those are the ones called the Fundamentalists.

In any case, what obtain in Saudi Arabia doesn't define Islam but rather what the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions says.

Lukuluku69:
Islam will not look like Christianity but rather Muslims will copy more of Western Culture while some will hold fast to the dictates of their Faith. Those are the ones called the Fundamentalists.

In any case, what obtain in Saudi Arabia doesn't define Islam but rather what the Quran and the Prophetic Traditions says.

Looking like Christianity in regards to tolerance, questioning extant practices, and letting God be the ultimate judge and not man amongst others. These are not western but Christian practices, such as the sun shines on both the good and bad and God permits it, or let the weed and the wrath grow together, they shall be judged on the last day. And so many teachings…

Baxilexi:
Looking like Christianity in regards to tolerance, questioning extant practices, and letting God be the ultimate judge and not man amongst others. These are not western but Christian practices, such as the sun shines on both the good and bad and God permits it, or let the weed and the wrath grow together, they shall be judged on the last day. And so many teachings…

Then you don't seems to know Islam. It has been over a little over 1,400 years now and Islam has never nor will never jettison the Shariah. Christianity looks tolerant to transgression of the Laws in the Bible and apply man's solution to such. Islam will always use the Shariah.

I am sure that's what you meant by Tolerance.

Lukuluku69:
Then you don't seems to know Islam. It has been over a little over 1,400 years now and Islam has never nor will never jettison the Shariah. Christianity looks tolerant to transgression of the Laws in the Bible and apply man's solution to such. Islam will always use the Shariah.

I am sure that's what you meant by Tolerance.

The Jews have the halakha, more stringent than the sharia but in today’s world most of the ‘inhumane’ practices have been done away with.

So Islam will get there, it’s only a matter of time.

Baxilexi:
The Jews have the halakha, more stringent than the sharia but in today’s world most of the ‘inhumane’ practices have been done away with.

So Islam will get there, it’s only a matter of time.

It is okay to wish, to hope but know you that Islam and Muslims won't let go of the Shariah the same way the Jews let go the Laws of God in the Bible and the way the Christians called it a Curse.

That's is the future confrontation. Mind you the Jews are looking forward to that Messiah that will bring back the application of that same Law they did away with.