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From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

The challenge arises when the Ìṣẹ̀ṣe (traditional religious) elements are made compulsory for anyone aspiring to Yoruba kingship. Traditionally, those who want to become kings are expected to undergo certain rites that include worshiping or pledging allegiance to these deities. This practice effectively excludes Muslims and Christians, even if they are rightful heirs to the throne because it compels them to act against their faith.

This is an injustice and a clear contradiction of fairness and religious freedom. No Yoruba person is “more Yoruba” than another because of their religion. Being Yoruba is a matter of heritage, not worship.

The recent controversy following the passing of the Awujale of Ijebu, a devoted Muslim until his death shows how deep this misunderstanding runs. His burial according to Islamic rites sparked criticism from those who believe every Yoruba king must adhere to traditional rituals. But this should not be so. A Muslim king should be buried as a Muslim; likewise, a Christian as a Christian.

It is time for the government and traditional councils to revisit these outdated customs. Laws or declarations should ensure that any qualified Yoruba person: Muslim, Christian, or traditionalist can ascend the throne and live and die according to their faith.

Let us continue to celebrate our culture—our dress, food, language, and good morals but not impose Ìṣẹ̀ṣe as a religious condition. Promoting Yoruba culture should never mean forcing one form of worship upon another.

Our diversity is our strength. Let us protect it.

PS: Don't forget to recite Suratul Khaf

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Respect for elders is very good virtue until some persons began to molest their oba and his family members....as a Christian you are required to make sacrifices for your faith, and avoid worship of other gods except Lord jesus christ. Let traditional stools be occupied by traditionalists

Religion is part of culture. Thats why imam dey dress like Arabs and doesnt were agbaga even if he is a yoruba man. Islam is Arab culture

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Eating pig is yoruba culture but because the arab doesnt eat pig cause the animal was very dirty in the dry arab area that has little water hence u see the pigs in the very dirty waste water areas he now told yoruba man not to eat the same pig

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The royal stool that used to be a sacred entity have long been desecrated with the corruption of today. Obas are now fraudsters while clerics are skull miners. This is a sacrilege!

To be honest Muslims communities are the most unfair and they only talk about been fair when it favours their selfishness

Starting from freedom of religion, historically Yoruba kingship is associated with traditionalist while Northern kingship is forcefully associated with islam

This same Muslims will never ever allow a Christian become Emir of Ilorin talk less of Kano or even a non Muslim become emir of Sokoto, they will rather go to war and kill that that to happen even if the rightful heir is a non Muslim

When Muslims are in the minority they shout about right, justice and equality ...trust them at your peril. immediately they because majority they forget about what justice looks like but their own greed and expansionist agendas

Merely suggesting a Christian or traditionalist should become emir of Sokoto can get you killed while other Muslims will simply cheer the killers they forget no one is more northern than the other, they will say respect the rule of the land

Hypocrite chameleons set of people

Confused and chameleon tribe

There's alot Nigerians don't know about their history

1-The Oba should tell us the name of their ancestor religion.

2- How do they practice the religion?

3- Who was the first person to practice the religion?

The last time I checked, Ogun, Sango, Oya and Osun were all human beings and existed after the likes of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Zakariya, Joseph and all prophets of God that worshipped God only.

omoredia:
Religion is part of culture. Thats why imam dey dress like Arabs and doesnt were agbaga even if he is a yoruba man. Islam is Arab culture

You are a liar.Most Imams wear agbada and wear Arab dress too for respect to the Prophet (SAW).
I think this case should be taken to court...I mean up to Supreme court.
It is very much against the fundamental human rights of Obas who do not want to identify with paganism.

Lukgaf:
From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

The challenge arises when the Ìṣẹ̀ṣe (traditional religious) elements are made compulsory for anyone aspiring to Yoruba kingship. Traditionally, those who want to become kings are expected to undergo certain rites that include worshiping or pledging allegiance to these deities. This practice effectively excludes Muslims and Christians, even if they are rightful heirs to the throne because it compels them to act against their faith.

This is an injustice and a clear contradiction of fairness and religious freedom. No Yoruba person is “more Yoruba” than another because of their religion. Being Yoruba is a matter of heritage, not worship.

The recent controversy following the passing of the Awujale of Ijebu, a devoted Muslim until his death shows how deep this misunderstanding runs. His burial according to Islamic rites sparked criticism from those who believe every Yoruba king must adhere to traditional rituals. But this should not be so. A Muslim king should be buried as a Muslim; likewise, a Christian as a Christian.

It is time for the government and traditional councils to revisit these outdated customs. Laws or declarations should ensure that any qualified Yoruba person: Muslim, Christian, or traditionalist can ascend the throne and live and die according to their faith.

Let us continue to celebrate our culture—our dress, food, language, and good morals but not impose Ìṣẹ̀ṣe as a religious condition. Promoting Yoruba culture should never mean forcing one form of worship upon another.

Our diversity is our strength. Let us protect it.

PS: Don't forget to recite Suratul Khaf

You don come again.
From records of history of those people, their culture goes with their traditional religion. So if you can't conform, you leave.
Arabic ritualism that you embraced don't use it to derail ya own ancestral values. If you can kiss black stone in Mecca, be ready to do tradition of ya roots too.
The best you can offer is to apply for modification of barbaric practices like eating of the heart of a late king.
This one wey you write, it's like there's a pained moslem prince who won't be selected if he can't perform traditional rites. And the kingmakers are right. No be by force to come and chop king. Dey ya dey if you can't accept ya root.

Lukgaf:
From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

Can the King of England be Catholic?
Can the King of Saudi be Shiite?

And nah still same religion o.

I dey go come...

Putinofrussia:
You are a liar.Most Imams wear agbada and wear Arab dress too for respect to the Prophet (SAW).
I think this case should be taken to court...I mean up to Supreme court.
It is very much against the fundamental human rights of Obas who do not want to identify with paganism.

U cant serve two masters. Its either u leave the traditional stool and go and worship ur arab god. Its simple

Putinofrussia:
You are a liar.Most Imams wear agbada and wear Arab dress too for respect to the Prophet (SAW).
I think this case should be taken to court...I mean up to Supreme court.
It is very much against the fundamental human rights of Obas who do not want to identify with paganism.

No be Arab culture made you to wear taliban, hijab, jalabiya? You dey enter another colonial slavery. British don finish theirs now it's Arab feasting on ya colonial mind in the name of religion.
No be by force o. If you can't practice traditional rites, no king for you.
If you can pledge allegiance to Arabic culture, let others wey no forget their roots embrace their own. You can fast track taking it to court. You will waste money, time and still lose. The worst you can do is to cause violence and those kingmakers know their rights. In fact people ll say it's in ya blood, naso una dey do and it ll dent ya reputation the more.
Kingship worldwide is from the culture of that tribe that's crowning the king.

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SaintLucia:
1-The Oba should tell us the name of their ancestor religion.

2- How do they practice the religion?

3- Who was the first person to practice the religion?

The last time I checked, Ogun, Sango, Oya and Osun were all human beings and existed after the likes of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Zakariya, Joseph and all prophets of God that worshipped God only.

So what are you saying?
That all humans are equal?
Does that mean those worshipping Arab guys are clowns?

Putinofrussia:
You are a liar.Most Imams wear agbada and wear Arab dress too for respect to the Prophet (SAW).
I think this case should be taken to court...I mean up to Supreme court.
It is very much against the fundamental human rights of Obas who do not want to identify with paganism.

U cant talk of human right when sharia is against human rights. So u need to be clear where u stand

Lukgaf:
From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

The challenge arises when the Ìṣẹ̀ṣe (traditional religious) elements are made compulsory for anyone aspiring to Yoruba kingship. Traditionally, those who want to become kings are expected to undergo certain rites that include worshiping or pledging allegiance to these deities. This practice effectively excludes Muslims and Christians, even if they are rightful heirs to the throne because it compels them to act against their faith.

This is an injustice and a clear contradiction of fairness and religious freedom. No Yoruba person is “more Yoruba” than another because of their religion. Being Yoruba is a matter of heritage, not worship.

The recent controversy following the passing of the Awujale of Ijebu, a devoted Muslim until his death shows how deep this misunderstanding runs. His burial according to Islamic rites sparked criticism from those who believe every Yoruba king must adhere to traditional rituals. But this should not be so. A Muslim king should be buried as a Muslim; likewise, a Christian as a Christian.

It is time for the government and traditional councils to revisit these outdated customs. Laws or declarations should ensure that any qualified Yoruba person: Muslim, Christian, or traditionalist can ascend the throne and live and die according to their faith.

Let us continue to celebrate our culture—our dress, food, language, and good morals but not impose Ìṣẹ̀ṣe as a religious condition. Promoting Yoruba culture should never mean forcing one form of worship upon another.

Our diversity is our strength. Let us protect it.

PS: Don't forget to recite Suratul Khaf

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Lukgaf:
From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

The challenge arises when the Ìṣẹ̀ṣe (traditional religious) elements are made compulsory for anyone aspiring to Yoruba kingship. Traditionally, those who want to become kings are expected to undergo certain rites that include worshiping or pledging allegiance to these deities. This practice effectively excludes Muslims and Christians, even if they are rightful heirs to the throne because it compels them to act against their faith.

This is an injustice and a clear contradiction of fairness and religious freedom. No Yoruba person is “more Yoruba” than another because of their religion. Being Yoruba is a matter of heritage, not worship.

The recent controversy following the passing of the Awujale of Ijebu, a devoted Muslim until his death shows how deep this misunderstanding runs. His burial according to Islamic rites sparked criticism from those who believe every Yoruba king must adhere to traditional rituals. But this should not be so. A Muslim king should be buried as a Muslim; likewise, a Christian as a Christian.

It is time for the government and traditional councils to revisit these outdated customs. Laws or declarations should ensure that any qualified Yoruba person: Muslim, Christian, or traditionalist can ascend the throne and live and die according to their faith.

Let us continue to celebrate our culture—our dress, food, language, and good morals but not impose Ìṣẹ̀ṣe as a religious condition. Promoting Yoruba culture should never mean forcing one form of worship upon another.

Our diversity is our strength. Let us protect it.

PS: Don't forget to recite Suratul Khaf

If you want to become a Yoruba king, then choose between your religion or accepting the traditional Yoruba way and culture

No one is forcing anyone to become king..

Live and let others live should start from when you stop invading others culture and tradition

A Yoruba king has no business with Christianity or Islam !!

Goodlady:
So what are you saying?
That all humans are equal?
Does that mean those worshipping Arab guys are clowns?

you didn't answer my questions.

If you can't respect a people's culture, leave, our cultural heritage and identity is who we are, religion is a function of indoctrination, borrowed scriptures from foreign lands. Our culture must dominate in our communities and towns. The easiest way to subjugate a people is indoctrinating them to disown their own culture, essence and heritage, for religion that is crafted by men.

Lukgaf:
From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

How can you separate Yoruba culture from religion when you agreed in your first paragraph that Yorubas have always practised ATR long before the advent of Islam and Christianity?

Yoruba culture is deeply rooted in ATR and anybody who would be king should either be ready to abide by the culture norms and traditions of the Yorubas (which includes pledging loyalty to the deities) or forget about it.

Not everybody can be a king; most Yoruba communities have more than one ruling house which means there's option for the king to be selected/elected from any of the ruling houses and amongst the candidates jostling for the seat. Anybody who would rather practice a foreign religion instead of his people's religion deeply rooted in their culture should not be considered for the throne.

Saudi Arabia is Muslim country; they would never install a pagan or religious person other than Muslim as king. So why should other countries/kingdoms/communities bend their own customs to crown a Muslim or Christain king?

mobileboy:
To be honest Muslims communities are the most unfair and they only talk about been fair when it favours their selfishness

Starting from freedom of religion, historically Yoruba kingship is associated with traditionalist while Northern kingship is forcefully associated with islam

This same Muslims will never ever allow a Christian become Emir of Ilorin talk less of Kano or even a non Muslim become emir of Sokoto, they will rather go to war and kill that that to happen even if the rightful heir is a non Muslim

When Muslims are in the minority they shout about right, justice and equality ...trust them at your peril. immediately they because majority they forget about what justice looks like but their own greed and expansionist agendas

Merely suggesting a Christian or traditionalist should become emir of Sokoto can get you killed while other Muslims will simply cheer the killers they forget no one is more northern than the other, they will say respect the rule of the land

Hypocrite chameleons set of people

Once they get the numbers they use their sharia laws to intimidate and oppress.

mobileboy:
To be honest Muslims communities are the most unfair and they only talk about been fair when it favours their selfishness

Starting from freedom of religion, historically Yoruba kingship is associated with traditionalist while Northern kingship is forcefully associated with islam

This same Muslims will never ever allow a Christian become Emir of Ilorin talk less of Kano or even a non Muslim become emir of Sokoto, they will rather go to war and kill that that to happen even if the rightful heir is a non Muslim

When Muslims are in the minority they shout about right, justice and equality ...trust them at your peril. immediately they because majority they forget about what justice looks like but their own greed and expansionist agendas

Merely suggesting a Christian or traditionalist should become emir of Sokoto can get you killed while other Muslims will simply cheer the killers they forget no one is more northern than the other, they will say respect the rule of the land

Hypocrite chameleons set of people

I wholly agree with you on this one

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

The challenge arises when the

SaintLucia:
you didn't answer my questions.

You didn't ask a meaningful question cos you ll just carry insult on the body of all Arab guys.
African heroes that some people worship as deities are legends on their turf. So Arab guys aren't better than them.

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Lukgaf:
From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

The challenge arises when the Ìṣẹ̀ṣe (traditional religious) elements are made compulsory for anyone aspiring to Yoruba kingship. Traditionally, those who want to become kings are expected to undergo certain rites that include worshiping or pledging allegiance to these deities. This practice effectively excludes Muslims and Christians, even if they are rightful heirs to the throne because it compels them to act against their faith.

This is an injustice and a clear contradiction of fairness and religious freedom. No Yoruba person is “more Yoruba” than another because of their religion. Being Yoruba is a matter of heritage, not worship.

The recent controversy following the passing of the Awujale of Ijebu, a devoted Muslim until his death shows how deep this misunderstanding runs. His burial according to Islamic rites sparked criticism from those who believe every Yoruba king must adhere to traditional rituals. But this should not be so. A Muslim king should be buried as a Muslim; likewise, a Christian as a Christian.

It is time for the government and traditional councils to revisit these outdated customs. Laws or declarations should ensure that any qualified Yoruba person: Muslim, Christian, or traditionalist can ascend the throne and live and die according to their faith.

Let us continue to celebrate our culture—our dress, food, language, and good morals but not impose Ìṣẹ̀ṣe as a religious condition. Promoting Yoruba culture should never mean forcing one form of worship upon another.

Our diversity is our strength. Let us protect it.

PS: Don't forget to recite Suratul Khaf

I wonder what a Christian or Muslim is looking for wanting to become a king on a traditional throne when you already have a king in heaven.
If you want to become a leader of your religion, why don't you become a priest, pastor, bishop or Imam?
The traditional practices of kingship predate Christianity and Islam.
If you want to ascend the throne, do what the custodians require or leave it for them!
Those who left "traditionalism" for Christianity and Islam should also leave the things linked to them.

Lukgaf:
From the onset, the Yoruba people, before the advent of Islam and Christianity, practiced traditional religion centered around various deities such as Sango, Ogun, Yemoja, and others. These practices are generally referred to as “Ìṣẹ̀ṣe.”

However, it is important to distinguish between Yoruba culture and Ìṣẹ̀ṣe worship. Yoruba culture is rich in values that all of us regardless of faith can and should uphold: good manners, elegant dress (like agbada), respect for elders, hospitality, and love for knowledge. These are cultural virtues, not acts of worship.

The challenge arises when the Ìṣẹ̀ṣe (traditional religious) elements are made compulsory for anyone aspiring to Yoruba kingship. Traditionally, those who want to become kings are expected to undergo certain rites that include worshiping or pledging allegiance to these deities. This practice effectively excludes Muslims and Christians, even if they are rightful heirs to the throne because it compels them to act against their faith.

This is an injustice and a clear contradiction of fairness and religious freedom. No Yoruba person is “more Yoruba” than another because of their religion. Being Yoruba is a matter of heritage, not worship.

The recent controversy following the passing of the Awujale of Ijebu, a devoted Muslim until his death shows how deep this misunderstanding runs. His burial according to Islamic rites sparked criticism from those who believe every Yoruba king must adhere to traditional rituals. But this should not be so. A Muslim king should be buried as a Muslim; likewise, a Christian as a Christian.

It is time for the government and traditional councils to revisit these outdated customs. Laws or declarations should ensure that any qualified Yoruba person: Muslim, Christian, or traditionalist can ascend the throne and live and die according to their faith.

Let us continue to celebrate our culture—our dress, food, language, and good morals but not impose Ìṣẹ̀ṣe as a religious condition. Promoting Yoruba culture should never mean forcing one form of worship upon another.

Our diversity is our strength. Let us protect it.

PS: Don't forget to recite Suratul Khaf

and I hope even an atheists are allowed to aspire as well? The case of Awujale of Ijebu maybe different. During his ascension, he may swore to abide to the diety, in that case, they have the right to demand to bury him that way but from the beginning, you must agree with them that, for me, i'm a Christian or Muslim because of that, i can't pledge to ur diety and u follow through to the end of reign, when you die no one would contest with ur burial. You cant been eating isese food and meat and be claiming to be Christian or Muslim and you think they wont demand for pay back during death? Give to ceaser what belong to cesear