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iceking4:
Again what rules did they break ? Is the company against union (the company said NO) , SO tell Nigerians exactly what they're offense is. Is it too hard to point out what 800+ people did at the same time 😕, even though you claimed they were better than the expatiates.

You can keep defending lies, it's you that is sentimental, I will be the first to support Dangote if he actually states why 800,+ of my countrymen are called sabotage. How would you know they were greedy when they've not even made any demands from the company

why are you taking it far? Dangote said he is not against the union but did he tell his workers to join them? Dangote can say he is not against the unions just for media sake but in reality and his body language he doesn't want his workers to join union . Is Dangote the first company in Nigeria ? Must his workers join union ? Many companies are in Nigeria without their workers joining any union . Banking, manufacturing , Textiles, Burries and Construction campanies . Even many private universities are not with ASSU and no one threat them . Why do you poeple only think about yours only ? Oga many of you are the major problems behind oil and Gas sectors in Nigeria .

Exactly what im saying nah

They couldnt have joined dangote in 2023 amd claim to be senior staff in fact people tjat joined in 2023 were trained here in Nigeria

Maxymilliano:
2023 was date of joining ...

iceking4:
Nobody is denying Dangote s huge impact in industrialising the country. Not even the engineers that were sacked. Everyone appreciates him because he is the largest employer of labour. But since you're not in the shoes of those staffs, you don't have the right the condemn them. Every work place has a standard. The refinery is a place with high risks and alot of hazard which affects workers health daily. Imagine working day and night trying to ensure Nigeria has sufficient fuel yet you're dying slowly. From direct source working there, I can confirm, they're not even given PPEs, hazard allowances or good HMO, those are basics for a company that has high risk. Maybe some of you have never worked in a place like that before, I advise you to seek knowledge rather than judge out of ignorance.

Again Dangote has done well truly, but he should consider the health and wellbeing of his staffs that worked hard day/night to ensure the refinery keeps working. Also Dangote said they workers were not sacked because of unionism rather because of sabotage. All Nigerian Engineers became saboteurs over night Let's have constructive thinking and assume alot of possibilities instead of condemning what we don't know.

I get your points bro. Then it would have made more sense to everyone if they had come in with the hazard complaints rather than saying he's enslaving them even when fellow colleagues confirmed that he pays them well. That was why people condemned them because it was beginning to look as if they were trying to run his refinery from the back door.

In addition, the complaint that he redeployed them out of refinery to sugar and cement simply answers their prayers by moving them out of the hazard zone and should not have even come up if you were only asking for better conditions of service.

So, it simply means that the union doesn't really know what they want.

pharmagba:
Very foolish set of workers.
What benefits do they want from PENGASSAN rather than to sabotage their organisation, Dangote which is paying them good.
Had it been the issue is joining a professional body, then we may have an argument but PENGASSAN? It a no no!

Please go to the Sugar and cement factory.

Illiteracy is a very deadly disease. This comment is a very strong confirmation of that.

hotseat:
The affected workers have suddenly come to the sad and stark realization that they have been tricked by PENGASSAN and have now been left in the lurch.

I would advise them to seek employment with PENGASSAN or NUPENG, if they so wish.

They forgot that they became petrochemical engineers, in the first place, courtesy of the large-heartedness of Dangote who they sought to sabotage due to bad advice and mindless greed.

The proverb that says "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush" is now staring them in the face.

They should be contented and thankful that they are still receiving their salaries as we speak.

They are now at the mercy of Dangote in deciding what lies ahead for them.

Had I known is always at last!


Ntoor!!!



@hotseat

Dangote was not the one who sent them to school. or was he. This statement made me realize that school nor be scam. try go to school a take God's name, beg you.

Sirleo05:
This employees are highly ungrateful. I mean, who should you be loyal to, the person that employ you or an outsider?
Is the outsider paying your Bill's?
Cam an employee be dictating to the employer?

You really need to go to school to know alot of stuff.

independence22:
If this decision is for good to Nigerians, may this decision stand. This country has suffered so much and need liberation.

His decision is never for the good of Nigerians but rather for his own selfish interest. This only confirms that he so much hates his country men. A similar incident like this is about to happen at the Bonny NLNG Train 7 projects. where the Asian Korean Daewoo guys are planning to sack all Nigerian welders and fitters, only to replace them with Filipinos and Indians, such a shame to this shithole country. Maybe soon all Nigerians will only be good at do Yahoo Yahoo..

yemre:
I get your points bro. Then it would have made more sense to everyone if they had come in with the hazard complaints rather than saying he's enslaving them even when fellow colleagues confirmed that he pays them well. That was why people condemned them because it was beginning to look as if they were trying to run his refinery from the back door.

In addition, the complaint that he redeployed them out of refinery to sugar and cement simply answers their prayers by moving them out of the hazard zone and should not have even come up if you were only asking for better conditions of service.

So, it simply means that the union doesn't really know what they want.

It is actually you who do not know what you want and you also do not know what is good for you.

yemre:
I get your points bro. Then it would have made more sense to everyone if they had come in with the hazard complaints rather than saying he's enslaving them even when fellow colleagues confirmed that he pays them well. That was why people condemned them because it was beginning to look as if they were trying to run his refinery from the back door.

In addition, the complaint that he redeployed them out of refinery to sugar and cement simply answers their prayers by moving them out of the hazard zone and should not have even come up if you were only asking for better conditions of service.

So, it simply means that the union doesn't really know what they want.

I get your points too, those complaints only came after they were sacked. Nobody heard bout any complaints from them before the whole incidents. The tried to use the right means to table negotiations with the Mgmt, the least the mgmt would have done is to hear them out, not sack them outrightly .

The issue of paying well, this tread has a payslip of an engineering staff ( graduate) . I know you may think it's high, but some of us that has quite few experiences in this industry this is nothing but slavery. Unless the company can prove that it's not earning enough to pay more than this, so I don't want to blame the company bout salaries. I'm only concerned bout welfare, and good working conditions

adekolaelect:
why are you taking it far? Dangote said he is not against the union but did he tell his workers to join them? Dangote can say he is not against the unions just for media sake but in reality and his body language he doesn't want his workers to join union . Is Dangote the first company in Nigeria ? Must his workers join union ? Many companies are in Nigeria without their workers joining any union . Banking, manufacturing , Textiles, Burries and Construction campanies . Even many private universities are not with ASSU and no one threat them . Why do you poeple only think about yours only ? Oga many of you are the major problems behind oil and Gas sectors in Nigeria .

Which should we believe then, his words or his body language. How can you support someone that lies in public and do something else in secret. Omo 🙆🏽‍♂️ it means you'll do the same thing too. Like I said if you don't have a clear meaning of the sabotage no need responding to me.
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Many of these engineers were trained abroad so it's a huge loss to the refinery. Some of them were alleged to be revealing information about the refinery to potential saboteurs hence the need to let them go. Loyalty is key in an organisation like this. Dangote fought tooth and nail to be where the refinery is today.

How has PENGASSAN made a difference in NNPC refineries over the years? Of course, DR can't afford to toe that path.

It's sad but employees can't be forced on an employer in situations like this. Thankfully, they're being offered an option. Hopefully, they'll get other jobs as new refineries take off. PENGASSAN should try to build one too with their huge resources.

iceking4:
Which should we believe then, his words or his body language. How can you support someone that lies in public and do something else in secret. Omo 🙆🏽‍♂️ it means you'll do the same thing too. Like I said if you don't have a clear meaning of the sabotage no need responding to me.
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Sabotage are poeple working or taking decisions that is against the company directive to stall the activities and productivities of their employers. PENGASAN, NuPENG AND DANGOTE are not friends . Dongote is a private entity who doesn't want any external force to dictate the activities of his company which was the Aims and objective of PENGASAN . Whoever suporting external force against his employer is a sabotour that needed to be dealt with .. Dangote is 100% responsible to control the activity of his workers BCS he employed and paying them not the government or the useless Unions.

adekolaelect:
Sabotage are poeple working or taking decisions that is against the company directive to stall the activities and productivities of their employers. PENGASAN, NuPENG AND DANGOTE are not friends . Dongote is a private entity who doesn't want any external force to dictate the activities of his company which was the Aims and objective of PENGASAN . Whoever suporting external force against his employer is a sabotour that needed to be dealt with .. Dangote is 100% responsible to control the activity of his workers BCS he employed and paying them not the government or the useless Unions.

The company doesn't have any rules or handbook that says " DONT JOIN A UNION", the even claimed recently that unionism is welcomed, staffs can join the union of they want to. So where are you getting this emotional assumptions from The staffs hasn't made any requests at all, the union hasn't made any negotiations concerning salary or pay, so where exactly is the sabotage ?

If he's truly treating the staffs well, why not prove it and show the world, so we can see how greedy they are. Why lying ??

Agreed.
But how can Dangote be with 650k bpd be paying engineer salary of 280 usd per month in 2025 in Lagos? Is that not slavery?

My question to you is this:

1. Abi na dis same 280 usd per month, make those Indian engineers leave India, leave Indorama come work for Dangote refinery?

2. Can Dangote prove the sabotage he is accusing these innocent 800 engineers of?
If there was real sabotage, should they not be arrested and charged to court?

Iamzik:
I will fire any employees that join forces with whatever union to sabotage my company operations. There is no emotion here

Iamzik:
I will fire any employees that join forces with whatever union to sabotage my company operations. There is no emotion here

Without anyone saying it, you knew you were emotional to even say that.
The point is, you have not gotten to the point of having any employees; that is why you could say so. If you did at all, then you would have realized that the constitution of the country supersedes your emotions.

iceking4:
The company doesn't have any rules or handbook that says " DONT JOIN A UNION", the even claimed recently that unionism is welcomed, staffs can join the union of they want to. So where are you getting this emotional assumptions from The staffs hasn't made any requests at all, the union hasn't made any negotiations concerning salary or pay, so where exactly is the sabotage ?

If he's truly treating the staffs well, why not prove it and show the world, so we can see how greedy they are. Why lying ??

Th Investors extablished the company to progress and make proffit . They can now talk about staff welfairs after profits .private companies are not established to serve workers purposes or Demands than to make priffits .Workers welfairs and others will be the second considerations when company can stand and see reason to make workers to benefits more from the incomes of the companies. You don't establishe any company but you are claiming Laws to favour even if your desisions can make the company to be no more . I say no any private companies in Nigeria will allow it's workers to form or join any union. Don't you know that the unionism are the major factors that will not allow any Government sectors to succeed or can you tell me any private company that allow unions for its Staffs and tell me any government company that is successful in nigeria.?

fxexperts:
Illiteracy is a very deadly disease. This comment is a very strong confirmation of that.

Dangote was not the one who sent them to school. or was he. This statement made me realize that school nor be scam. try go to school a take God's name, beg you.

Stop displaying illiteracy here . Who work in a field in a company without training and orientations? Who organised the training if not the company ?

adekolaelect:
Th Investors extablished the company to progress and make proffit . They can now talk about staff welfairs after profits .private companies are not established to serve workers purposes or Demands than to make priffits .Workers welfairs and others will be the second considerations when company can stand and see reason to make workers to benefits more from the incomes of the companies. You don't establishe any company but you are claiming Laws to favour even if your desisions can make the company to be no more . I say no any private companies in Nigeria will allow it's workers to form or join any union. Don't you know that the unionism are the major factors that will not allow any Government sectors to succeed or can you tell me any private company that allow unions for its Staffs and tell me any government company that is successful in nigeria.?

Again you're using sentiment to lie for the company. Because it's a private organisation doesn't mean welfare of staffs should be neglected. The company is not the only private company in Nigeria. Bua, Mtn, etc are all private companies with working welfare package.

I do not intend to continue this conversation with you, you can believe what ever you choose to, if you don't see anything wrong with a company not providing welfare for it's workers, I wondered why we complained of slavery, because those guys were after their profit too.


You're asking me about private companies that allow unionism ? 🙆🏽‍♂️🙆🏽‍♂️🙆🏽‍♂️

At this junction I can't continue this conversation really, if you don't know Shell, mobil, chevron, NNPC, seplat all have unions and they've not been destroyed

iceking4:
Again you're using sentiment to lie for the company. Because it's a private organisation doesn't mean welfare of staffs should be neglected. The company is not the only private company in Nigeria. Bua, Mtn, etc are all private companies with working welfare package.

I do not intend to continue this conversation with you, you can believe what ever you choose to, if you don't see anything wrong with a company not providing welfare for it's workers, I wondered why we complained of slavery, because those guys were after their profit too.


You're asking me about private companies that allow unionism ? 🙆🏽‍♂️🙆🏽‍♂️🙆🏽‍♂️

At this junction I can't continue this conversation really, if you don't know Shell, mobil, chevron, NNPC, seplat all have unions and they've not been destroyed

why only oil companies ? Oga must you force unios in the throats of Dangote? Why do you claimed to know than the company itself ? Your opinions is yours but can never change the reality and How Dangote want his company to be operated . Thank you.

Macphenson:
You guys were employed in a Refinery, You started doing Union nonsense. Now you guys have moved from PENGASSN to CEMENTSSN and SUGARSSN

Don't mind the idiots, instead of focusing on your job you de form union, start looking for another job, because nobody will want to touch you guys for this rubbish you did except you would take out dangote Refinery from your CV

iceking4:
I get your points too, those complaints only came after they were sacked. Nobody heard bout any complaints from them before the whole incidents. The tried to use the right means to table negotiations with the Mgmt, the least the mgmt would have done is to hear them out, not sack them outrightly .

The issue of paying well, this tread has a payslip of an engineering staff ( graduate) . I know you may think it's high, but some of us that has quite few experiences in this industry this is nothing but slavery. Unless the company can prove that it's not earning enough to pay more than this, so I don't want to blame the company bout salaries. I'm only concerned bout welfare, and good working conditions

Nobody forced them in accepting the poor offer, for me I don't go near dangote advert, so it's your choice, because I know he can't pay me my worth despite being the richest man in Africa

billyG:
They also has d right to join union,how I wish d new set he employs also join union let see if he will continue to sack & sack.I use to support the refinery action but when I saw that guy payslip my blood come they boil...for this Tinubueconomy fa!

Let's bear in mind that the refinery is still new and probably still investing and servicing loans. I believe with time, salaries would improve.

Having said that, I also believe those supporting the poor pay have never worked in blue chip companies where best practices are obtained.

They think it's a privileged honor to be paid 400k as a petrochemical engineer, LoL.

Can you blame them? No.

The poverty rate has made men to think anything that glitters must be gold.

adekolaelect:
Stop displaying illiteracy here . Who work in a field in a company without training and orientations? Who organised the training if not the company ?

You are the one displaying huge ignorance by assuming Dangote made them Petrochemical Engineers. Such a huge lie from you doesn't make any sense at all.

fxexperts:
You are the one displaying huge ignorance by assuming Dangote made them Petrochemical Engineers. Such a huge lie from you doesn't make any sense at all.

where did I say Dangote made them petrochemical engineers ? They were engineees theoretically but Dangote definitely make them a practical one through Traning and orientations Dangote organised for them. After employement . It is not necessary to make insults before profing points. Be civel and stop behaving like Toute .

fxexperts:
You are the one displaying huge ignorance by assuming Dangote made them Petrochemical Engineers. Such a huge lie from you doesn't make any sense at all.

He did not make them engineers but trained them how to perform on the field . Sorry only an employed ones will understand organizations training and orientations.

adekolaelect:
He did not make them engineers but trained them how to perform on the field . Sorry only an employed ones will understand organizations training and orientations.

Maybe i guess you are unemployed. You mean the ordinary HSE training and induction he gave them are what you are saying made them petrochemical Engineers. Is there any company that will employ a graduate and not send them through some training to be able to operate the plants where they are working? The slavery mentality is so bad among the black race.

fxexperts:
Maybe i guess you are unemployed. You mean the ordinary HSE training and induction he gave them are what you are saying made them petrochemical Engineers. Is there any company that will employ a graduate and not send them through some training to be able to operate the plants where they are working? The slavery mentality is so bad among the black race.

You are still saying what I am saying . Dangote gave them training and orientation to act on the field after school . where did I mention Gangote made them engeers or you are only saying what was embedded in you ni? Oga althought I don't know your age but I gained employment in a priveta organization since 2012 and I know how many training and orietations they have given us. What are you talking? Only a fresh Graduate can reason in your ways.