₦airaland Forum

TheBizGenius:
Instead of this, I would advice that you take up the drawing of Umahi's road (as I usually call it), and do your own costing.

The same way you can't do comparative costing for a borehole without understanding the soil of the area, you can't compare roads costs for soils you haven't tested. That would be unfair to the engineer.

Just saying my own o.

Em, you do know that a road project by whatever name, does include testing right? and all that expense is included in the budget.

The last time I eye balled the comparison I was looking at an over-valuation by the Lagos-Calabar by at least 100X for the same length of the Cairo-CapeTown. I mean reasonable considerations can be made regarding the heterogeneity of terrain and all, reasonable.

TheBizGenius:
I have a first degree in mechanical engineering and I am disappointed in what Makinde said.

If you have a road project that transverses

A. over marshy areas and you have to sand fill,

B. over water and you have to build a bridge and

C. over hard soil and you simply lay your asphalt on it,

how do you get the average cost of such a project?

But I also understand that Umahi dey hide figures to dey chop as naija politician anyway but professionally, he is right.

Make I no even mention the Arise broadcaster own. Mtchew.

Bro I am disappointed in your submission and defense on Dave! I am not an engineer neither am I an economist but the least basic elementary economics could solve this problem. For you to have any average cost you must have a total cost of production and for the total cost of production to be available there must be quantity surveyors to look at every variable to bring about the total cost and since the road comes in kilometer the bridge(s), swampy areas etc will be calculated in the kilometer then you then divide the total cost per kilometer to get the average cost. This is not only applicable to road but any production And if you say it is not professionally right why is it that they budget is over 700 billion naira for the road how did they come about it? how comes they get the total cost for the money that we can't get the average cost since the road is in kilometer i.e unit per production? We all know presently the average cost but we want to hear from the minister why the money is that outrageous that per kilometer is 4-10 billion and he knows that, that is why he is dodging the question. Go back to production in engineering again their is no way there will be average cost without a total cost so let him tell us the average cost which will come in unit of production known here as kilometer and let us know why it is like that simple! And the least he can do now is to tell us how many kilometers (unit of protection) has been done and divide it by the total costs for us to know how much he spent per kilometer right now! But the man is being defensive and invasive because he knows Nigerians are not always accountable and transparent.

Umahi, this is Onitsha-Owerri federal highway
Unbelievable that this road is cutting off Imo State from rest of Nigeria when you are federal minister of works

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Professor in practice fire back

Quelme:
Mankinde is a senseless governor. An Oluwole engineer who doesn't have a clue about road construction.

Who do you give cost per kilo on a road which transverses different terrain? But Rufai and Makinde are senseless....

Makinde senseless? Wow, just wow!

Someone with 30+ years experience as an engineer?

Someone who established his first company at 29?

Omo, social media is a leveler sha because I would asked you what you have established and who you are?

What exactly was Umahi.doing at 29? Mr. Senior et Professor in Practice 🤣

aribisala0:
Umahi has shown himself as weak and insecure the same trait we see in many Nigerian politicians
Imagine coming out to drag seniority

Seyi Makinde is playing Politics with the situations because he knows well that the 2- Projects he is comparing are two- different things!
Is A Project in Oyo State the same AS THE ONE IN COASTAL HIGHWAYS 🛣️,
FOR EXAMPLE,THE AMOUNTS OF THE SAND- FILLINGS 🥧 IN THE SEA AND OCEAN 🌊- Both IN LAGOS AREAS AND ACROSS THE 9- States - Can NEVER be the same as IN his 25-30Km Works in Oyo State- he is tying to tell us !
Is It The Same Altitude,
Is it the same Land Topography,
Is it the same depth of the Sea/ Ocean
Or Bedrocks to cover?
-Governor Makinde - you de fall people's hand o- just because of Elections - you Should Act like a True Professional in your calling.
-Here is the Same Makinde- that Could Not Support - the Supreme Court Judgement on the States - that Should Create A Different Accounts For The States And Local Govts - just because they ( Governors ) don't want to be ACCOUNTABLE ON THE MONEY 💰 RECEIVED FROM THE FEDERATION ACCOUNTS!
TERRIBLE AND TOO BAD!

Makinde wey budget how many billions to build govt house sef dey talk this country sef

Factoryfitted:
I usually would read, shake my head and move on at comments like this, but, you propaganda machine guys are either incredibly daft or incredibly evil.

Someone is asking relevant questions about issues that bear a direct relationship to the future of this country and you are telling him to look the other way and not be concerned that someone, some small group of people are stealing our common wealth

Like, how does wanting to know how much someone you are paying to do a job is spending on the job amount to chasing shadows?

It is attitude like this, looking the other way while the country is being raped, this wildebeest mentality of "it doesn't concern me" that is killing this country. And the fact that you actually think that interrogating issues stops anyone from also focusing on their own day to day business for personal progress is unbelievable

Nonsense, if not hypocrisy, please tell us how your state government & governor is doing to better your existence, no time for this your crocodile tears cock & bull story jare.

Makinde will mess himself up.
Umahi made the right call, you can't quantify road construction by equal per kilometer cost, rufai is ignorant bashfully. unfortunately.
Makinde"s average km cost is not the same as cost per kilometer.
Why playing dirty politics on national issues.

unitysheart:
Very sound reasoning and position. Engineering no be moi moi.

So the contractors didn't give them a quote?

yongg:
Em, you do know that a road project by whatever name, does include testing right? and all that expense is included in the budget.

The last time I eye balled the comparison I was looking at an over-valuation by the Lagos-Calabar by at least 100X for the same length of the Cairo-CapeTown. I mean reasonable considerations can be made regarding the heterogeneity of terrain and all, reasonable.

To tell you the truth, I have also compared this road to the same being done somewhere between 2 European countries and I feel Nigerian's road is crazily expensive.

But I also don't have the drawings. Maybe na marble finishing our own go get. Maybe na drone go make our own expensive, I no know. So, I have not complained about it.

I appreciate your having an engineering background and our robust engagement on this.

Thanks a million.

Are you even from oyo state?
How’s is makinde a thief Huh

LagosOrigin:
All of una be thief

Umahi and makinde

favor914:
Nonsense, if not hypocrisy, please tell us how your state government & governor is doing to better your existence, no time for this your crocodile tears cock & bull story jare.

Lol. So typical. Deflect, divide, derail, distract from the main issue. You are self deluded bro. You need to sit down, hold you head in your hands and repeat 100 times: "God please give me sense so that I can always be on the right side of what matters"

TheBizGenius:
To tell you the truth, I have also compared this road to the same being done somewhere between 2 European countries and I feel Nigerian's road is crazily expensive.

But I also don't have the drawings. Maybe na marble finishing our own go get. Maybe na drone go make our own expensive, I no know. So, I have not complained about it.

I appreciate your having an engineering background and our robust engagement on this.

Thanks a million.

This is a fine place to end the back and forth with that guy and every other poster you argued with.

I admire your maturity and have learned something from it.

inwahiwe:
Ok, Minister, give us the total amount you have spent so far, and how many kilometers you have done. Leave the rest for us

TheBizGenius:
To tell you the truth, I have also compared this road to the same being done somewhere between 2 European countries and I feel Nigerian's road is crazily expensive.

But I also don't have the drawings. Maybe na marble finishing our own go get. Maybe na drone go make our own expensive, I no know. So, I have not complained about it.

I appreciate your having an engineering background and our robust engagement on this.

Thanks a million.

Lols at "marble finishing". Sincerely, seeing the quotations I keep imagining whether operational maintenance or facility management or dynamic surveillances (utilizing drones like you mentioned) has been factored into the ballooned figures. But I doubt that cos projects are supposed to have a definite start and definite end, operations are different.


Same here, It was a great exchange.

Thanks as well.

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Tif Tif Tif Ole

Quelme:
Mankinde is a senseless governor. An Oluwole engineer who doesn't have a clue about road construction.

Who do you give cost per kilo on a road which transverses different terrain? But Rufai and Makinde are senseless....

Oga, the road has covers a known distance, a feasibility study along with costing has been done, a project amount has been agreed with the contractors as the cost of building the road, of course cost of contingency is included, why the is it had to give an average cost per kilometer? Any toddler can give you the average cost by looking at the total cost of the road and then divide it by the length! Average cost covers all the bridges, sand filling, diesel, staff salaries, cement, gravel etc.
Common sense says if the contract to build the road was given to hitech at eg 39tillion and it is a 700km road, the average cost per kilometer is therefore N55,714,285,714 (fifty five billion, seven hundred and fourteen million two hundred and eighty five thousands seven hundred and fourteen naira only).
Omo, from the cost per kilometer you see why the minister is been smart by half, he does not have the guts to mention that money per kilometer because Nigerian will call him and his gang Ole, even if not Ole, how can this administration justify spending such amount of tax payers money on such project at this difficult times economically speaking.

Fixed

bikefab:
I wonder why there's so much secrecy on the cost of this project. Looks like the statement always strikes a nerve on the Professor of engineering Practice

blowjohn:
After buying unsolicited gifts for big brother naija contestants, what do u people want cost per km of road for?

How can a nation of people be forming groups for bb naija contestants. After the show clear for Una eyes, Una begin question price of road per kilometers.

Leave the show alone..its turning into a cliche

If your food get burnt....it's BBN. Abeg rest

Maxymilliano:
https://punchng.com/umahi-fires-back-at-makinde-over-lagos-calabar-highway-cost/?fbclid=Iwb21leANXclpjbGNrA1dx7WV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEejjyeWfa6fV_1loavH60843Ms1phqtqVpJkOEc0xReatw8rbstzSlvHWG1z8_aem_NrThhU2fPOIMFgvxQtduow#google_vignette

You do not need to respond to a populist like that one

Manny21:
Continue to fire back fire for fire. This guy is a clown

“I am his senior both in governance and in engineering practice. So, anything he doesn’t understand, he should call me and ask."

He has not changed. Very proud and arrogant

That was not pride
It's a fact

He still danced around in his statement. Who cursed this entrapment?

yongg:
There is average cost based on work done, there is average cost based on proposed or working budget or its alterations.

It is the comparison between the two that give ability to track when the project is overshooting budget threshold or not.

The man didn't give any figures based on what was last measured or what funding has been spent on the length of road so far.

These things are straight forward.

Did Rufai ask about the cost of the work done so far?. He was asking Umahi to give him the cost of the entire project. The minister cannot give him an answer to a question he didn't ask. Pls stop being disingenuous. If someone is ignorant in a particular field, he/she's supposed to learn and take to corrections while an expert in the field explains. Rufai wanted to score cheap political point but was doing so ignorantly. At the start of the project, Umahi was on Arisetv giving the estimated cost of the project. Some people are just a bunch of rouble rousers and a subject matter as this one is really exposing their ignorance.

Soon to be use and throw way minister.
Arrogant abakiliki

Maxymilliano:
You dance around figures or not 😂

Lol…
He even wants to embarrass himself the more by suggesting a debate. Makinde will weep his ass..

zero8zero:
Did Rufai ask about the cost of the work done so far?. He was asking Umahi to give him the cost of the entire project. The minister cannot give him an answer to a question he didn't ask. Pls stop being disingenuous. If someone is ignorant in a particular field, he/she's supposed to learn and take to corrections while an expert in the field explains. Rufai wanted to score cheap political point but was doing so ignorantly. At the start of the project, Umahi was on Arisetv giving the estimated cost of the project. Some people are just a bunch of rouble rousers and a subject matter as this one is really exposing their ignorance.

Yes he did ask for the cost of work done so far. The verbiage used was different but point to the same thing.

Also, in the spirit of educating the journalist or the public that the journalist represents at the point of asking, being the expert that the minister professes he is, he can give an answer that best describes the figure being requested. Those are standard questions, parametric even. One does not score a political point by merely asking of a characteristic of a project. If the figure(s) the minister is trying to hide is prohibitive, scores can begin from there, of course after reasonable considerations, after all the figure isn't expected to remain the same throughout the project lifecycle.

Also, Rufai does not need to be an expert in the field of his guest to ask the questions he did. Infact, assuming his question were ignorant it actually plays in favor of the journalist in the sense that he is representing at the moment a section of the populace who do not have expertise in that field but would like to know the same answers he is seeking, that way he fulfills his journalistic purpose of informing all strata of the public who are equally contributors to the construction of the said project.

Tracking...

CharlotteFlair:
This is a fine place to end the back and forth with that guy and every other poster you argued with.

I admire your maturity and have learned something from it.

Thank you for your kind words.

And much more, it takes a deeply intelligent person to confess publicly that he has learnt from a discuss. Kudos, sir.

Maxymilliano:
https://punchng.com/umahi-fires-back-at-makinde-over-lagos-calabar-highway-cost/?fbclid=Iwb21leANXclpjbGNrA1dx7WV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEejjyeWfa6fV_1loavH60843Ms1phqtqVpJkOEc0xReatw8rbstzSlvHWG1z8_aem_NrThhU2fPOIMFgvxQtduow#google_vignette

Senior wey no wan use him sense. When your client (The nigerian people) ask you a question, you as the engineer must present the answer in such a way as to make the client (who may be an illiterate) understand.
Having said that, Umahi is just being dodgy; fooling around simple basic questions that will enlighten the people and carry them along.

yongg:
Yes he did ask for the cost of work done so far. The verbiage used was different but point to the same thing.

Also, in the spirit of educating the journalist or the public that the journalist represents at the point of asking, being the expert that the minister professes he is, he can give an answer that best describes the figure being requested. Those are standard questions, parametric even. One does not score a political point by merely asking of a characteristic of a project. If the figure(s) the minister is trying to hide is prohibitive, scores can begin from there, of course after reasonable considerations, after all the figure isn't expected to remain the same throughout the project lifecycle.

Tracking...

Since the figure isn't expected to remain the same throughout the duration, while not wait then?. S journalist that refuses to learn, rather engaging in arguments and posing questions in a manner that suggests he knew more than the minister. He better be left to rot in ignorance. And anyone who thinks he has the knowledge to debate, the minister has thrown down the gauntlet.