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MaxInDHouse:
Funny Churchians.
Is firstborn in a family no longer one of the children born to that family?

Ken4Christ:
The term firstborn is used for Jesus because he was the first to be born again or the first who was raised to life from spiritual death.

MaxInDHouse:
Read where it was mentioned:

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15

Can you name any other creature apart from humans to become born again or raised from the dead?

Come on there are many things created and the scripture says Jesus is the first born of ALL CREATION.

So it's not about humans but everything in general Jesus was born (created) first!🙂

Ken4Christ:
Legally, salvation has been made available for all creation. All creation has been given the opportunity to be born again and Jesus is the first to be born again. Several thousands are getting born again on a daily basis. So, the choice is left to each individual.

Ken4Christ:
Legally, salvation has been made available for all creation. All creation has been given the opportunity to be born again and Jesus is the first to be born again. Several thousands are getting born again on a daily basis. So, the choice is left to each individual.

gohf:
bro so several thousands of creatures are getting born again, please are our dogs cats and chickens included as well 🐴

Gabrielshow24:
Fallacy of irrelevance. I asked about your god not the True God👀. You have also committed Fallacy of false equivocation by equating your ’mutable god’ to the ’immutable God'🤨

Pls, let us know how your god was an eternal Father when he didn't have a son? 🤨

Ken4Christ:
Which truth?

Emusan:
Just look at this wack interpretation.

Not only fresh

At least you can't deny the word ORIGIN from that verse which means John wasn't talking about Jesus being the first created being but SOURCE/RULER/AUTHORITY (which ever meaning you decided to go with of ALL CREATION.

Emusan:
Yes! That is why Jesus can't be a creature because Universe is the whole creation from beginning to end and since you also agreed that Jesus is created the Universe. That gave us a good point.

Are you saying Jehovah didn't use Jesus to CREATE THE UNIVERSE?

Can Jesus still be PART of what He was used to create?

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:2 "God created the Universe" NOT his son.
Oga,you are deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
The statement Jesus spoke about himself wey Merriam - Webster dictionary agree that Origin is evidence of a created being , in this case Jesus @ Rev 3:14.

You shifted from originator to origin,your lying was exposed, now you dey hide under source.

For instance ,the source of river Ethiope is a shallow stream the river begins it's flow.

Oga,is that shallow stream excluded from river Ethiope?
Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God,proven in your bible.
Oga,Come & continue deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God", @Revelation 3:14.

The beginning of Creation by God is what it is.

The Greek word " beginning G746" does not mean Originator G747,or ruler @ Rev 3:14.

Ken4Christ:
Why did he say, "Before Abraham, I Am"

Ken4Christ:
Why did he say, "Before Abraham, I Am"

gohf:
even Noah was before Abraham but you don't see anyone calling Noah God do you?

Ken4Christ:
Why did he say, "Before Abraham, I Am"

Emusan:
Can you imagine this

MaxInDHouse:
Angels (God's spirit sons) don't grow old or die so as one of them Jesus exists even before Adam who is great grandfather of Abraham.

Janosky:

Pastor,Why did the man Jesus healed @ John 9;9 said "I AM" (ego eimi)?

Jesus used the same Greek word Arkhe beginning to talk about creation in more than 5 verses in New testament such as Mark 13:19 ,Mark 10:6 & Rev 3:14.

You don't shift the meaning without deceiving yourself.

Janosky:
John 9:9 & John 8:58.
Ego eimi (I am) is the last words in both verses.No mind them deceiving themselves.

Ken4Christ:
Unbelief will send you to hell. Continue.

Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Alpha and Omega. Your Unbelief doesn't change the truth. But it will set you on the pathway of destruction.

Emusan:
It's Mariam you ran to now

The fact still remains that Rev 3:14 didn't say Jesus is a CREATED BEING but ORIGINATOR OF ALL CREATIONS.

Emusan:
At least you wanted to deny ORIGIN from that verse before your lying mouth was exposed.

Ken4Christ:
Unbelief will send you to hell. Continue.
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Oga, stop deceiving yourself
Pastor,did your Bible prove that ego eimi ("I AM" is s the final word in John 8:58 & John 9:9?
Yes.
The meaning is the same in John 9:9 & 8:58.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Alpha and Omega. Your Unbelief doesn't change the truth. But it will set you on the pathway of destruction.

Ken4Christ:
The term firstborn is used for Jesus because he was the first to be born again or the first who was raised to life from spiritual death.

Emusan:
So what was the role of the Son during Creation?

Janosky:
Oga, you can't REMOVE anything from your own Bible @ Hebrew 1:2.
You reject Hebrew 1:2...

Janosky:
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Greek 747 Originator is NOT in Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
Archon meaning "Ruler" is NOT in the Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
Jesus said "beginning" @ Revelation 3:14, @Mark 10:6, Mark 13:19 to give the same meaning,saying Jesus is a creation by God.
I believe Jesus NOT your lies.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Origin is synonym of ancestry.
Jesus Christ has ancestry in the spirit realm.
Screenshot evidences proven

MaxInDHouse:
This one is obsessed with Hell everyone who doesn't agree with your shallow and myopic preconception will go to Hell!

Ken4Christ:
The Scripture says so. Jesus repeatedly warned his audience about the damnation of hell. And its exactly what I am doing. Its an unbearable suffering for the rest of your life.

Emusan:
You're the one deceiving yourself.

Arché means ORIGIN.

First tell me I'm lying first.
But origin isn't synonym of SOURCES

Can you hear that.

Who is deceiving you?

Why your screenshot didn't come from Biblehub?

because you know your lying mouth will be exposed.