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tctrills:
Oga this is just 100% racism and this isn't your first time pushing racist doctrine.

That guy is in severe pains. You won't understand bros. You won't understand what bitterness is and what it can do.

All his hopes against israel has been dashed: iran, Hezbollah, hamas, Islamic Jihad, muslim brotherhood, houthis, ICC, UN, etc

tctrills:
So in short, you have no educated argument just fake guesswork. It's really not fair.
Again, what does dilution of race even mean? You mean if I marry a white woman, my kids are less Igbo? Please stop being a racist.

Are they not? Of course they are. That's basic genetics. They become fifty percent Igbo and fifty percent wherever she is from. If this process goes on for 2000 years no one can tell what the descendants would be.

DeepSight:
Are they not? Of course they are. That's basic genetics. They become fifty percent Igbo and fifty percent wherever she is from. If this process goes on for 2000 years no one can tell what the descendants would be.

This is crazy and meaningless. So you will treat my kids as half Igbo and give them half the rights of Igbos?
Don't you see how dangerous your thinking is?
So to you, white Jews are less of Jews and should be treated as such? You are swimming in dangerous territory.

Elusive001:
That guy is in severe pains. You won't understand bros. You won't understand what bitterness is and what it can do.

All his hopes against israel has been dashed: iran, Hezbollah, hamas, Islamic Jihad, muslim brotherhood, houthis, ICC, UN, etc

I am just Afraid of what his bitterness and wickedness will lead him to.

tctrills:
This is crazy and meaningless. So you will treat my kids as half Igbo and give them half the rights of Igbos?
Don't you see how dangerous your thinking is?
So to you, white Jews are less of Jews and should be treated as such? You are swimming in dangerous territory.

Please pause a minute. You cant be serious. Or there is a real problem here. This is a matter of genetics we are discussing. And to a limited extent, rights, and I will explain that part from a legal angle. But lets start from genetics.

First and foremost, just to be clear no, your kids are never to be denied their FULL rights as Igbos and also their FULL rights as (wherever your wife comes from). Just to let you get that straight. But here is the simple genetics of the matter. And this is science, not emotion:

If a full Yoruba Man marries a Full Chinese Woman, their Child will be half Yoruba and half Chinese by blood/ ancestry. This is incontrovertible. Do you deny this? You cant unless there is something seriously wrong with you. Or are you saying the child will be ONLY Yoruba or ONLY Chinese by blood/ ancestry? Thats utter nonsense. No, he is half Yoruba, half Chinese. Mixed race, if you prefer that term.

Now if he marries a full Indian, their child will be one quarter Yoruba, and one quarter Chinese and half Indian.

Now is that child marries a full Spaniard, their child will be one eighth Yoruba, One eighth Chinese, One Quarter Indian and half Spaniard.

And on and on it goes like that, and this is what I was describing by dilution.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RACIST ABOUT DESCRIBING THIS NATURAL PROCESS WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY OFF YOUR R/OCKERS!

if such inter-marriage continues especially over extended periods, the per centage imprint of some ancestors will be so diminished as to be intangible.

For heavens sake when you do DNA Ancestry Tests, they give you percentages of your genetic ancestry in like manner - and what on Earth is racist about that! It looks like you have become utterly emotional about this conversation and your determination to brand every simple thing I say as racist. This is just normal or do you also want to say that the results of DNA Ancestry tests which break down percentages as above are also racist? Wetin dey do you?

Now moving on to the matter of rights. Its a matter of the laws of each country. Most countries limit citizenship up to at least one grand-parent, some go as far as a great grand-parent or two, but hardly any ever goes beyond that. I am sure perhaps only Israel with its right of return laws and perhaps a few others do that. I am talking about citizenship based on ancestry here. There are other types - such as citizenship based on birthplace, naturalization, registration, marriage or even by award. So I trust you understand.

So calm down, your direct kids, even grand kids will always have full legal rights as your descendant. And they should also, from wherever your wife is from, and her parents as well.

I hope you get it now.

Stop throwing tantrums.

DeepSight:
Please pause a minute. You cant be serious. Or there is a real problem here. This is a matter of genetics we are discussing. And to a limited extent, rights, and I will explain that part from a legal angle. But lets start from genetics.

First and foremost, just to be clear no, your kids are never to be denied their FULL rights as Igbos and also their FULL rights as (wherever your wife comes from). Just to let you get that straight. But here is the simple genetics of the matter. And this is science, not emotion:

If a full Yoruba Man marries a Full Chinese Woman, their Child will be half Yoruba and half Chinese by blood/ ancestry. This is incontrovertible. Do you deny this? You cant unless there is something seriously wrong with you. Or are you saying the child will be ONLY Yoruba or ONLY Chinese by blood/ ancestry? Thats utter nonsense. No, he is half Yoruba, half Chinese. Mixed race, if you prefer that term.

Now if he marries a full Indian, their child will be one quarter Yoruba, and one quarter Chinese and half Indian.

Now is that child marries a full Spaniard, their child will be one eighth Yoruba, One eighth Chinese, One Quarter Indian and half Spaniard.

And on and on it goes like that, and this is what I was describing by dilution.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RACIST ABOUT DESCRIBING THIS NATURAL PROCESS WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY OFF YOUR R/OCKERS!

if such inter-marriage continues especially over extended periods, the per centage imprint of some ancestors will be so diminished as to be intangible.

For heavens sake when you do DNA Ancestry Tests, they give you percentages of your genetic ancestry in like manner - and what on Earth is racist about that! It looks like you have become utterly emotional about this conversation and your determination to brand every simple thing I say as racist. This is just normal or do you also want to say that the results of DNA Ancestry tests which break down percentages as above are also racist? Wetin dey do you?

Now moving on to the matter of rights. Its a matter of the laws of each country. Most countries limit citizenship up to at least one grand-parent, some go as far as a great grand-parent or two, but hardly any ever goes beyond that. I am sure perhaps only Israel with its right of return laws and perhaps a few others do that. I am talking about citizenship based on ancestry here. There are other types - such as citizenship based on birthplace, naturalization, registration, marriage or even by award. So I trust you understand.

So calm down, your direct kids, even grand kids will always have full legal rights as your descendant. And they should also, from wherever your wife is from, and her parents as well.

I hope you get it now.

Stop throwing tantrums.

So you are confused as always. You claim that most countries limit citizenship to a certain generation and it is the right of each country. But you don't give that same right to the Jews to determine who is Jewish and who is not. What is wrong with you?

tctrills:
So you are confused as always. You claim that most countries limit citizenship to a certain generation and it is the right of each country. But you don't give that same right to the Jews to determine who is Jewish and who is not. What is wrong with you?

Who says I dont? I have since said there is no gong back and they should all live together on fair terms. Its up to them. What I am describing to you is simply genetics. In fact without genetics, people become Jew by religious conversion. Even without that any country is free to award citizenship on anyone who comes from anywhere including the moon.

I sha hope you are now clear about the dilution thing and what I meant.

DeepSight:
Are they not? Of course they are. That's basic genetics. They become fifty percent Igbo and fifty percent wherever she is from. If this process goes on for 2000 years no one can tell what the descendants would be.

You are seemingly big on nuance in discussion - and rightly so. Simplified reductionist points can help move discussions along, but care must be taken to ensure they don't mislead, stymie or become absolutist.

It also helps to consider the issue in question in other forms. I and my wife are both ethnic Yorubas. Born and raised in London to ethnic Yoruba parents. Whilst we are British\Banza English , we remain ethnically Yoruba. As do our children after us. The same would apply to their children - even if some ethnic intermingling occurred. And, I would consider them as having a greater claim on Kwara state than the Fula - if those territories were ever reclaimed .

The Jews were and have always been very conscious of maintaining their lineage, culture, traditions, customs and language. The more conservative amongst them typically marry other Jews. They are not alone in this regard. We see it amongst Asian populations in Britain. They rarely "marry out". I am not claiming there has been no inter-mingling or even dilution as you term it. Or even a population of secular Jews. But Jews they remain

One thing you commonly touted is that Israeli Jews are are essentially of Ashkenazi stock. This is wrong. The Misrahi constitute a greater proportion of the starting population, having migrated from the surrounding middle-eastern nations. It is worth noting that diasporic Mizrahis numbered close to a million pre-state of Israel. There are now only a few thousand left outside Israel. What happened there? There are also Sephardic, Falasha and others.

Likewise the trope that Israel is an ethno-nationalist or Apartheid state. Again, not evidenced and not true. Israel has minorities and a 20% Arab\muslim demographic with full rights (except military conscription). Per above, no Middle-Eastern country can boast of that kind of minority representation or treatment. The "Palestinians" outside of Israel chose the side of the Arab\muslim invaders during earlier confrontations and paid the price.


TV

TV01:
You are seemingly big on nuance in discussion - and rightly so. Simplified reductionist points can help move discussions along, but care must be taken to ensure they don't mislead, stymie or become absolutist.

It also helps to consider the issue in question in other forms. I and my wife are both ethnic Yorubas. Born and raised in London to ethnic Yoruba parents. Whilst we are British\Banza English , we remain ethnically Yoruba. As do our children after us. The same would apply to their children - even if some ethnic intermingling occurred. And, I would consider them as having a greater claim on Kwara state than the Fula - if those territories were ever reclaimed .

The Jews were and have always been very conscious of maintaining their lineage, culture, traditions, customs and language. The more conservative amongst them typically marry other Jews. They are not alone in this regard. We see it amongst Asian populations in Britain. They rarely "marry out". I am not claiming there has been no inter-mingling or even dilution as you term it. Or even a population of secular Jews. But Jews they remain

One thing you commonly touted is that Israeli Jews are are essentially of Ashkenazi stock. This is wrong. The Misrahi constitute a greater proportion of the starting population, having migrated from the surrounding middle-eastern nations. It is worth noting that diasporic Mizrahis numbered close to a million pre-state of Israel. There are now only a few thousand left outside Israel. What happened there? There are also Sephardic, Falasha and others.

Likewise the trope that Israel is an ethno-nationalist or Apartheid state. Again, not evidenced and not true. Israel has minorities and a 20% Arab\muslim demographic with full rights (except military conscription). Per above, no Middle-Eastern country can boast of that kind of minority representation or treatment. The "Palestinians" outside of Israel chose the side of the Arab\muslim invaders during earlier confrontations and paid the price.


TV

Oh my. Been a long time I saw you around. Hope you are well.

LordReed:
Oh my. Been a long time I saw you around. Hope you are well.

I am sir. We all are thank God - trust likewise. And with wifey and the young ladies. Cheers. TV

TV01:
I am sir. We all are thank God - trust likewise. And with wifey and the young ladies. Cheers. TV

Good to hear. We are as well.

Cheers.

DeepSight:
Please pause a minute. You cant be serious. Or there is a real problem here. This is a matter of genetics we are discussing. And to a limited extent, rights, and I will explain that part from a legal angle. But lets start from genetics.

First and foremost, just to be clear no, your kids are never to be denied their FULL rights as Igbos and also their FULL rights as (wherever your wife comes from). Just to let you get that straight. But here is the simple genetics of the matter. And this is science, not emotion:

If a full Yoruba Man marries a Full Chinese Woman, their Child will be half Yoruba and half Chinese by blood/ ancestry. This is incontrovertible. Do you deny this? You cant unless there is something seriously wrong with you. Or are you saying the child will be ONLY Yoruba or ONLY Chinese by blood/ ancestry? Thats utter nonsense. No, he is half Yoruba, half Chinese. Mixed race, if you prefer that term.

Now if he marries a full Indian, their child will be one quarter Yoruba, and one quarter Chinese and half Indian.

Now is that child marries a full Spaniard, their child will be one eighth Yoruba, One eighth Chinese, One Quarter Indian and half Spaniard.

And on and on it goes like that, and this is what I was describing by dilution.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING RACIST ABOUT DESCRIBING THIS NATURAL PROCESS WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS UNLESS YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY OFF YOUR R/OCKERS!

if such inter-marriage continues especially over extended periods, the per centage imprint of some ancestors will be so diminished as to be intangible.

For heavens sake when you do DNA Ancestry Tests, they give you percentages of your genetic ancestry in like manner - and what on Earth is racist about that! It looks like you have become utterly emotional about this conversation and your determination to brand every simple thing I say as racist. This is just normal or do you also want to say that the results of DNA Ancestry tests which break down percentages as above are also racist? Wetin dey do you?

Now moving on to the matter of rights. Its a matter of the laws of each country. Most countries limit citizenship up to at least one grand-parent, some go as far as a great grand-parent or two, but hardly any ever goes beyond that. I am sure perhaps only Israel with its right of return laws and perhaps a few others do that. I am talking about citizenship based on ancestry here. There are other types - such as citizenship based on birthplace, naturalization, registration, marriage or even by award. So I trust you understand.

So calm down, your direct kids, even grand kids will always have full legal rights as your descendant. And they should also, from wherever your wife is from, and her parents as well.

I hope you get it now.

Stop throwing tantrums.

Oga, come to think of how racist you are becoming. There is beginning to be very little difference between how you sound and how Hitler sounded about race. For someone so obsessed with race, you have become the very thing you claim to fight against.
You have become the black Hitler, talking about the dilution of race just as Hitler did. He would be very proud of you.
Hitler, like you, believed that mixing with other races would lead to decline.
In Mein Kampf, he wrote that all great cultures of the past had perished because the original creative race had become corrupted through mixing with other races.
He saw racial purity as a matter of natural law, comparing it to breeding in animals, saying that strong breeds decline when “mixed” with weaker ones.
This is what your hatred for the Jews has made you become.

tctrills:
Oga, come to think of how racist you are becoming. There is beginning to be very little difference between how you sound and how Hitler sounded about race. For someone so obsessed with race, you have become the very thing you claim to fight against.
You have become the black Hitler, talking about the dilution of race just as Hitler did. He would be very proud of you.
Hitler, like you, believed that mixing with other races would lead to decline.
In Mein Kampf, he wrote that all great cultures of the past had perished because the original creative race had become corrupted through mixing with other races.
He saw racial purity as a matter of natural law, comparing it to breeding in animals, saying that strong breeds decline when “mixed” with weaker ones.
This is what your hatred for the Jews has made you become.

I explained what I meant by dilution and I know you understood it, so stop trying to be funny. Its simply science.
I myself am mixed so rest.

TV01:
The Jews were and have always been very conscious of maintaining their lineage, culture, traditions, customs and language. The more conservative amongst them typically marry other Jews. They are not alone in this regard. We see it amongst Asian populations in Britain. They rarely "marry out". I am not claiming there has been no inter-mingling or even dilution as you term it. Or even a population of secular Jews. But Jews they remain

Fair enough but 2000 years of wandering together with the fact that as you yourself have pointed out, you have secular Jews, you also have those who are not strictly conservative and inter marry, and many many other factors in that large expanse of time clearly must factor.

One thing you commonly touted is that Israeli Jews are are essentially of Ashkenazi stock. This is wrong. The Misrahi constitute a greater proportion of the starting population, having migrated from the surrounding middle-eastern nations. It is worth noting that diasporic Mizrahis numbered close to a million pre-state of Israel. There are now only a few thousand left outside Israel. What happened there? There are also Sephardic, Falasha and others.

Ashkenazi Jews are in the majority today. At the very minimum half of the Jewish population.

This is the reality.

Nonetheless my position is that there should be a fair sharing of the land. What occurs today is not fair.

Likewise the trope that Israel is an ethno-nationalist or Apartheid state. Again, not evidenced and not true. Israel has minorities and a 20% Arab\muslim demographic with full rights (except military conscription). Per above, no Middle-Eastern country can boast of that kind of minority representation or treatment. The "Palestinians" outside of Israel chose the side of the Arab\muslim invaders during earlier confrontations and paid the price.

Israel is incontestably an apartheid state and even the bold in yours above admits it. But no one who knows the way the West Bank is administered today can deny this. Are you familiar with whats going on there? For heavens sake they even partition and have different roads and roads Palestinians are not allowed to use, etc. What could be more apartheid?

Both Nelson Mandela and Bishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa affirmed that the practices of Israel were exactly akin to what they experienced in apartheid South Africa and this informs the historical support of South Africa for Palestine.

The fact is the the Palestinians in both the West Bank and Gaza are a caged and occupied people under the jackboot of Israel, and that is both colonization and apartheid.

tctrills:
You and Hitler believe that a person becomes less of a race if one of their parents is not of that race.

How is this false?

Is Barack Obama a white man?

So I have to explain to you that such a mixed race person is obviously neither fully black nor fully white?

Nah wah oh.

DeepSight:
How is this false?

Is Barack Obama a white man?

So I have to explain to you that such a mixed race person is obviously neither fully black nor fully white?

Nah wah oh.

Oga if you say that Obama is not black your fellow leftists will eat you up and you are completely wrong.
Obama is a black man. He remains the first black president of the US. Please just Google who was the first black president of the US. Then come back and thank me.

Now to you point, if I am from Enugu and my wife is from Aba, according to you, my kids are neither fully from Aba or from Enugu.

So the only get half rights in my village in Enugu. Please make it make sense.

tctrills:
Oga if you say that Obama is not black your fellow leftists will eat you up and you are completely wrong.
Obama is a black man. He remains the first black president of the US. Please just Google who was the first black president of the US. Then come back and thank me.

He is called black because that has been the racist tendency of white people from centuries ago - anybody with even a touch of black "blood" was called black.

To see the point, tell me, why do you think no one calls him white even though his mother is a white woman?

Can you see the problem here?

Now to you point, if I am from Enugu and my wife is from Aba, according to you, my kids are neither fully from Aba or from Enugu.

So the only get half rights in my village in Enugu. Please make it make sense.

I already explained that your kids get full rights on both sides and I emphasized this. Stop being desperate to nail something on me, its just making you sound irrational.

tctrills:
Oga, you meant the very thing H----r meant. You and Hitler believe that a person becomes less of a race if one of their parents is not of that race.
Please point out any difference in your line of thought and that of your great mentor, H-----r.

I explained myself in great detail - I cant help you further. Only you, out of desperation to cast me as what you are, could interpret it with such absurdity.

You have no choice but to also conclude that Ancestry DNA tests are racist.

You know what, forget about me. Just go out there and put the question to others among your family, your friends, your colleagues, etc. Ask them if they think a mixed race person is fully black or fully white.

The answer to this question is obvious but desperation is making you irrational.