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Sugarboyy:
Remember, Ajibade won the MVP recently and Oshola can be said to be the greatest Nigeria female footballer, even though personally I would rate Mercy Akhide ahead of him.
Also, thankfully, Osimhen, Ikpeba and Ighalo are from Edo State. Chukwueze shouldn't be in this list

I dont understand this una arguement oh.

But the greatest Nigeria male footballer is KANU NWANKWO but if u want to judge with goals in national team its YEKINI.

The greatest Nigeria Female footballer is OSHOALA but is u want to Judge with Goals in national team then is NKWOCHA.

My point is the bases for judgement should be consistent if we want to Use individual archievement or collective archivement.

Sing as much as we may; most of us make points not on current state but on retrospect. If Remo had won, a lot of noise would have been made on the quality of the stadium and the seeming tactical nous of Coach Ogunmodede (which are partially true). The era after 3SC penalty loss to Zamalek in the 1996 Champions Cup(later CAF Champions league) was marked by immense trouncing of our teams representing us that even Enyimba was knocked out by Asec Mimosas of Cote D'Ivoire in its first attempt in 2002. More than half of the team was retained with some reinforcements the next season leading to the 2003 triumph but this time with the right blend of Coach, players and financial backing/morale booster by Senator Orji Uzor Kalu's regular presence on matchday. However talent discovery was key irrespective of the previous club the person starred for. Like I said there was no huge fund stashed for this project's achievement as even the Enyimba fans also contributed immensely financially.
Street leagues, Intra State tourneys, InterSeco dary School competitions years before their emergence all formed the basis of Enyimba's triumph.
In another development, Chijioke Aniagboso who many think is not ripe for Eagles yet kept another clean sheet while Stanley NWABALI and his team posted another poor performance and are at the bottom of the South African PSL. We will keep watching.

Cocony:
We can reel out our Gold,Silver and Bronze winning teams in male and female football and it resonates that names that sound like Victor Osimhen, Odion Ighalo, Chukwueze, Esther Okoronkwo, Perpetual Nkwocha, Kanu Nwankwo, Victor Ikpeba etc are mostly the ones delivering the goods for the country in football.

Who are the "we"? I can see you think your tribe is better than others in football. SMH

So, only those delivered for the country, abi?

I don't need to waste my time with this.

forgiveness:
Who are the "we"? I can see you think your tribe is better than others in football. SMH

So, only those delivered for the country, abi?

I don't need to waste my time with this.

You don't have any time worthy of notice not only when you quote me out of context. Read through my prior and latter posts and the consistent message is we should talk about contributions shelving tribe aside and placing excellence first. Never was it implied that we is a tribe as no tribe won gold, silver or bronze but a nation called NIGERIA .

Cocony:
Mercy Akhide and Perpetua Nkwocha were somewhat better in terms of final delivery than Oshoala. Rasheedat is an excellent player same as Asisat. I know the players from Edo state as I have affiliation to both Edo and Igbo. I only stated an example of what some folks on Nairaland do repeatedly in the name of comments and writeups leaning towards tribal sentiments which I think should stop.

Alakori re wa. This one just dey expose himself. If I talk, you go shame.

forgiveness:
Alakori re wa. This one just dey expose himself. If I talk, you go shame.

Coming from you, you should review your stances and be ashamed not me. If you have excellent viewpoints like semid4lyfe , I will like and share, and if you don't it seems you don't exist in my head.

Cocony:
You don't have any time worthy of notice not only when you quote me out of context. Read through my prior and latter posts and the consistent message is we should talk about contributions shelving tribe aside and placing excellence first. Never was it implied that we is a tribe as no tribe won gold, silver or bronze but a nation called NIGERIA .

Cocony:
We can reel out our Gold,Silver and Bronze winning teams in male and female football and it resonates that names that sound like Victor Osimhen, Odion Ighalo, Chukwueze, Esther Okoronkwo, Perpetual Nkwocha, Kanu Nwankwo, Victor Ikpeba etc are mostly the ones delivering the goods for the country in football.

You think say I be novice? I can see through you choice of words. It reeks of prejudice.....na wey Sabi pass. No doubt. Continue.

Of course, I know but I also know what you don't know. Maybe you will know if I make you know that you are unconsciously a ....

Cocony:
Coming from you, you should review your stances and be ashamed not me. If you have excellent viewpoints like semid4lyfe , I will like and share, and if you don't it seems you don't exist in my head.

Kkkkkkkkkk. Shares and like. Does that increase or buy me shares in mega companies? You talk like a kid.

Cocony:
On the contrary, you are the one grasping at straws creating a 12 year period to validate what you don't know, stating specifically transfer to top 10leagues in Europe, forgetting that ranking of leagues in Europe change each year.
Yes Uche Agbo did not play for Udinese and was loaned out as I rightly stated but who bought him from Enyimba: UDINESE. Your point was transfer to mainstream Europe. That you said mention 3 and I mentioned 4 tells you about knowledge which you seemingly did not have and those transfers were in 2013-2014 period. So drop your use of dictionary words you think equates to knowledge of Nigerian football and its problems..
I still put it to you talent discovery in line with my previous posts still remain the problem at Clubsides and National Team level.

Since you have an issue with the 12 year timeline, what timeline would you prefer to use to make a comparison? Choose any that best illustrate your point cause we'll still arrive at the same conclusion.

Of course I'm aware rankings change, but since you insist at grasping at straws, were they ranked in the top 10 at the material time the transfers took place? None of the league represented in your list was ranked in the Top 10 in Europe when said players moved save Uche who didn't even play for Udinese. Again, validating my point.

forgiveness:
Kkkkkkkkkk. Shares and like. Does that increase or buy me shares in mega companies? You talk like a kid.

From the 80's till date, I have known that some kids tell the blunt truth while those that call themselves mature adults are only so in body size but not in brain function and output.

NIGHTMARE0O7:
I dont understand this una arguement oh.

But the greatest Nigeria male footballer is KANU NWANKWO but if u want to judge with goals in national team its YEKINI.

The greatest Nigeria Female footballer is OSHOALA but is u want to Judge with Goals in national team then is NKWOCHA.

My point is the bases for judgement should be consistent if we want to Use individual archievement or collective archivement.

Sorry, to me Nigeria greatest male footballer is by far Okocha and not Kanu. All over the world, ex footballers recognises Okocha while some current footballers also recognises him as their football mentor. Even recently, I think Zico picked him as Africa greatest ever.
I remember when they were both active, there were always anxiety whenever Okocha wasn't playing either for club or for country but there was never a time Kanu was the go to man both for country and all the club's he ever played for.

I am afraid we don't have a solid Central midfielder in our team currently.

Iwobi is not a central midfielder and he lacks traits of an AMF.

It's been long I followed our players abroad because of the way people want to dominate the team through the back door despite not adding anything to the team.

However, since I watched Chelsea matches, rI will recommend Chukwumeka who is better Central midfielder and AMF than what we have currently.

I will begin to scout from henceforth. We must go world cup but we can't play playoff with Ndidi and Iwobi. Ndidi not good like before again.

lovewins:
Since you have an issue with the 12 year timeline, what timeline would you prefer to use to make a comparison? Choose any that best illustrate your point cause we'll still arrive at the same conclusion.

Of course I'm aware rankings change, but since you insist at grasping at straws, were they ranked in the top 10 at the material time the transfers took place? None of the league represented in your list was ranked in the Top 10 in Europe when said players moved save Uche who didn't even play for Udinese. Again, validating my point.

Nairalanders, below is a link to see the eventual UEFA Ranking of teams in 2013 and of Nations shown in yellow and emboldened. Click on the link below to go through thoroughly: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method4/trank2013.html

forgiveness:
I am afraid we don't have a solid Central midfielder in our team currently.

Iwobi is not a central midfielder and he lacks traits of an AMF.

It's been long I followed our players abroad because of the way people want to dominate the team through the back door despite not adding anything to the team.


However, since I watched Chelsea matches, rI will recommend Chukwumeka who is better Central midfielder and AMF than what we have currently.

I will begin to scout from henceforth. We must go world cup but we can't play playoff with Ndidi and Iwobi. Ndidi not good like before again.

On point

Cocony:
Nairalanders, below is a link to see the eventual UEFA Ranking of teams in 2013 and of Nations shown in yellow and emboldened. Click on the link below to go through thoroughly: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method4/trank2013.html

Why cite secondary sources when you can easily cite the primary source. This is UEFA's own ranking website, you're free to pull up a screenshot showing any of the other 3 leagues being ranked top 10 when those transfers took place.

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/?year=2013

Again this conversation is needless as this isn't even the crux of the argument, but I'll indulge you anyways.

CapitalCee:
Ousmane Diomande of Sporting Lisbon from Ivory coast is worth around €50m.

I don't think so.... If he is, he'll be on the list my boss. That list is directly from transfermarkt.

CapitalCee:
Nigeria always does well against medium European teams. We have beaten Greece, Bulgaria twice , Bosnia, and Iceland, we were leading Greece 🇬🇷 in 2010 until Sani Kaita madness. We always are unlucky to meet Argentina always. We also always overcome teams from Asia. Our biggest issue is SouthAmerican teams.
In 2018 world cup Senegal had Poland, Japan and Colombia. If we had that kind of group we would have qualified to the second round. Our group had Eventual finalists Croatia, Argentina and Iceland 🇮🇸, and Iceland was really good that period.

Even if they give us say SouthKorea, Or Saudi or Watar, plus Mediun Euro team like Austria , Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 or Czech Republic and Big team like Argentina 🤣😁. We should qualify.
Argentina
Korea
Austria
Nigeria

Then go round of 16 go jam New Zealand 😂

Them Chris Wood 😂

Arizoner:
Remo stars 0 mamelodi 3. What the fúck is going on? Bankygee, minfelix

Not surprised 😂

Expected in every way 😂

TheGoodJoe:
Oliseh has always talked like this. Despite me thinking he is a brilliant tactician, I think this plays a part in his draw back as a coach.

A team should always be built towards achieving greatness. If not, we are not ready for the World Cup.

That kind of thinking is short term.

Oga Joe you have come again 😂

No comments cos I no get strength abeg but good to see your comments again after a while!

Morocco has struck gold in football and they are doing it at the global level. If I say I don’t envy or admire them I will be lying. Africa is not even their goal anymore. wow!

caprikon:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17AsZvRkmb/

Watched this interesting piece from Fabregas.

I think Chelle made this error against Lesotho. Bringing on defenders for midfielders/strikers to defend a slender lead invites pressure on the team which could be costly.

The day wey the man bring on Boniface against Zimbabwe, una complain say he suppose bring on defenders 😂

Omo. To coach no easy o 😂

QueenJazz:
Who's the Remo Stars keeper? That save was badass.

Seeing this hours after full time come dey funny me 😂😭

lovewins:
Why cite secondary sources when you can easily cite the primary source. This is UEFA's own ranking website, you're free to pull up a screenshot showing any of the other 3 leagues being ranked top 10 when those transfers took place.

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/?year=2013

Again this conversation is needless as this isn't even the crux of the argument, but I'll indulge you anyways.

The Italian and Turkish leagues were in the top 10. For want of time I would have unearthed other transfers as you specified top 10leagues which for me is a restriction designed to promote your point(nice effort though) but same cannot be applied in determining who you call up to the National team at that said time.
The crux of the argument was the matter of talent pool which I have already stated that we had and still do have but we don't have the right coaches to unearth them.
Take the 2005 U20 and the 2008 and 2016 U203as case studies. Samson Siasia especially in 2016 took his time touring the country and scouting for players and it showed in their playing style in the u23 AFCON 2015 which they won as well as the 2016 Olympic Bronze. The problem in the aftermath of the 2016 Bronze was seeming lack of continuity. You need a good coach who knows his onions to go round and unearth players for the National team. Etebo, Seth Sincere, and Azubuike Okechukwu were discovered from here.

BankyGee:
Seeing this hours after full time come dey funny me 😂😭

🤣🤣🤣🤣

To be honest, the keeper wasn't terrible. It's just the defense was godawful.

Sometimes when I think about Nigerian football, I just wonder like, what's the point?

If Nigeria was a football club, I'd have quit supporting them ages ago. Unfortunately I'm doomed as a citizen to keep hoping for the best for a country that doesn't even wish herself well.

Congratulations Morocco.

The main reason I'm so happy for their victory is that they've taken away Ghana's bragging rights of being the only African nation to ever do it.

Come to think of it, how did we lose so heavily to these same Argentina? Morocco just demystified them.

BankyGee:
I don't think so.... If he is, he'll be on the list my boss. That list is directly from transfermarkt.

And sporting wont even accept €45m for him. Minimum €60m, the guy is legit one of the best CBs in Europe. He is a baller.

QueenJazz:
🤣🤣🤣🤣

To be honest, the keeper wasn't terrible. It's just the defense was godawful.

Sometimes when I think about Nigerian football, I just wonder like, what's the point?

If Nigeria was a football club, I'd have quit supporting them ages ago. Unfortunately I'm doomed as a citizen to keep hoping for the best for a country that doesn't even wish herself well.

I swear.

The defending for that third goal was so terrible, how will you as a defender use your back heel to keep the ball in play for an opposing attacker and keep walking behind him instead of to "try" to recover?

I weak. Flamingos wey I use confidence wan go use hold body too go swallow 4. 🙆🏾‍♂️

CapitalCee:
And sporting wont even accept €45m for him. Minimum €60m, the guy is legit one of the best CBs in Europe. He is a baller.

Has he capped for Ivory Coast? 🤔

Forget, I don see him AFCON trophy 😂

Why isn't he on the list then? 🧐 Transfermarkt don jonze! 😒

Nomyth:
Congratulations Morocco.

The main reason I'm so happy for their victory is that they've taken away Ghana's bragging rights of being the only African nation to ever do it.

Come to think of it, how did we lose so heavily to these same Argentina? Morocco just demystified them.

Clueless Coach who did not do his job well from the onset after the WAFU B AFCON.

BankyGee:
Has he capped for Ivory Coast? 🤔

Forget, I don see him AFCON trophy 😂

Why isn't he on the list then? 🧐 Transfermarkt don jonze! 😒

Yes. He won AFCON too, he was just injured before the final. My brother Ivory Coast has the best squad in Africa, but many people no know.

They also have Odillion Kossounou another CB. Their is also Wilfired Singo.

CapitalCee:
Yes. He won AFCON too, he was just injured before the final. My brother Ivory Coast has the best squad in Africa, but many people no know.

They also have Odillion Kossounou another CB. Their is also Wilfired Singo.

Maybe not the best squad overall, but if na CBs, leave am for them.

Singo na another beast and na from bench he dey come play for them.

forgiveness:
I am afraid we don't have a solid Central midfielder in our team currently.

Iwobi is not a central midfielder and he lacks traits of an AMF.

It's been long I followed our players abroad because of the way people want to dominate the team through the back door despite not adding anything to the team.

However, since I watched Chelsea matches, rI will recommend Chukwumeka who is better Central midfielder and AMF than what we have currently.

I will begin to scout from henceforth. We must go world cup but we can't play playoff with Ndidi and Iwobi. Ndidi not good like before again.

I will never be in support of dual nationality players crashing the party only when its convenient for them to do so. It's opportunistic, parasitic and could spoil team chemistry and cause disunity in the squad.

I recall this same dude was asked about playing for Nigeria 2 years ago, and he said, (I paraphrase) "at the moment I'm focused on playing for England but lets see what the future holds which is a subtle way to turn us down.

The guy no even better pass Iwobi for AM. Iwobi is a better orchestrator and passer. The issue with Iwobi is wrong deployment, midfield partnerships and formation by our National team coaches which negatively impacts on his output.

We can do without him. Between Alex Iwobi, Frank Onyeka, Raphael Onyedika, Wilfred Ndidi, Fisayo Dele Bashiru, Chrisantus Uche, Ebenezer Akinsanmiro, Alhassan Yusuf, Anthony Dennis and even Samuel Chukwueze we have enough players to cover in midfield.

Any dual national who wants to play for Nigeria should do like Ashleigh Plumptre, Alex Iwobi, Cyriel Dessers, Ademola Lookman, William Troost-Ekong etc and come out to declare their interest with their full chest, not use Nigeria as Plan B.

If they didn't declare interest and commitment when the work was being done, they shouldn't benefit from it by going to the world cup.

Make hin wait until after the world cup when the next AFCON qualifiers will begin, no be now.