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tctrills:
Lol, your logic always fails. The pattern always repeats. We have gotten so used to you and your system. But its ok bro have a great day

At least you have missed the meaning of biblical EARTH and misconstrued it with WORLD that's enough amusement for today!

Rebellious people!
Instead of seeking those God anointed to teach His worshipers they just want to form woke all of a sudden after rebelling against their teachers.

EARTH:
The planet God created specifically for humans to live in! Psalms 115:16

WORLD:
Disobedient humans carried away by the devil {2Corinthians 4:4 compare to 1John 5:19} with selfishness, greed and lust which God promised to destroy! 1John 2:15-17

So the foundation of planet EARTH is God's own doing {Genesis 1:1} but the foundation of the WORLD was Satan's doing he persuaded Adam and Eve to rebel against God and from that moment something new which God did not plan began: generations upon generations of rebellious humans making life unbearable for obedient and peace loving people.

That's the difference between EARTH and WORLD!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
At least you have missed the meaning of biblical EARTH and misconstrued it with WORLD that's enough amusement for today!

Lol, we both know you are only trying to waste both our time with nonsense. Have a great day

tctrills:
Actually no.
The bible clearly states that Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain before the foundation of the earth. This shows that the original plan even before the world was created was for Jesus Christ to come and die for our sins. This wouldn't have been necessary if Adam and Eve had not eaten the fruit.

You are wrong sir, Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.”​—GENESIS 1:28.
The first man and woman could explore the entire planet and enjoy everything on it, they was no were in the bible were Adam was thinking of going to heaven to stay with God,

fuckJones:
You are wrong sir, Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.”​—GENESIS 1:28.
The first man and woman could explore the entire planet and enjoy everything on it, they was no were in the bible were Adam was thinking of going to heaven to stay with God,

I don't even understand how anything you wrote relates to the topic. I advise we take it slow so we can understand ourselves. I never said the bible stated that Adam was thinking of going to heaven to stay with God. So what is really your point? What I said was that according to your bible, Jesus Christ was foreordained to sacrifice Himself for us even before the creation of Adam. Hence, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is God's original plan for man.
Hope you understand me now?

tctrills:
I don't even understand how anything you wrote relates to the topic. I advise we take it slow so we can understand ourselves. I never said the bible stated that Adam was thinking of going to heaven to stay with God. So what is really your point? What I said was that according to your bible, Jesus Christ was foreordained to sacrifice Himself for us even before the creation of Adam. Hence, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is God's original plan for man.
Hope you understand me now?

My question now is what was God original plan for man, was it for man to stayed with him in heaven or to stay here on earth?

fuckJones:
My question now is what was God original plan for man, was it for man to stayed with him in heaven or to stay here on earth?

Simple question if we study the Bible.
Difficult question if we follow dogma.

fuckJones:
My question now is what was God original plan for man, was it for man to stayed with him in heaven or to stay here on earth?

Let us stick to what is revealed. I never spoke about man staying with Him in heaven or staying here on earth. I only said that Jesus Christ coming to die for our sins is the original plan according to the bible.

tctrills:
Let us stick to what is revealed. I never spoke about man staying with Him in heaven or staying here on earth. I only said that Jesus Christ coming to die for our sins is the original plan according to the bible.

What of Satan rebelling against God so that Adam and Eve joined him then many angels also joined Satan to rebel against God?
Are these all not part of the script plan?

MaxInDHouse:
What of Satan rebelling against God so that Adam and Eve joined him then many angels also joined Satan to rebel against God?
Are these all not part of the script plan?

Oga stick to your bible and what has been revealed. Leave guesswork alone. We already know that the sacrifice of Christ for our sins is God's plan. That is clearly stated in your bible. So these other abstract questions are distractions.
Hope you get it now?

tctrills:
Oga stick to your bible and what has been revealed. Leave guesswork alone. We already know that the sacrifice of Christ for our sins is God's plan. That is clearly stated in your bible. So these other abstract questions are distractions. Hope you get it now?

Continue deceiving yourself God never planned to send Jesus in the beginning it was Adamic sin that warrants sending a redeemer otherwise mankind doesn't need Jesus to come and die for anyone's sin.

That's the absolute truth!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself God never planned to send Jesus in the beginning it was Adamic sin that warrants sending a redeemer otherwise mankind doesn't need Jesus to come and die for anyone's sin.

That's the absolute truth!🙂

Lets agree that you know more than the word of God. Have a nice day

tctrills:
Lets agree that you know more than the word of God. Have a nice day

The word of God doesn't support what is not reasonable, God Himself said He doesn't know what is in the hearts of men until they began displaying their crookedness and it pained Him! Genesis 6:6
So claiming God planned everything in the beginning is a lie against His holiness!

fuckJones:
My question now is what was God original plan for man, was it for man to stayed with him in heaven or to stay here on earth?

He can't answer this simple question as he doesn't believe God's word but what he fabricated in his own crooked mind {John 8:44} according to God's word the original plan was for humans to live forever on planet earth:

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

From the above it's evident that God is using humans as caretaker of planet earth {Genesis 2:15} which means we are care for the planet and use our God's given wisdom to make life sweeter to our own taste!

So what is man going to do in heaven?😂

MaxInDHouse:
The word of God doesn't support what is not reasonable, God Himself said He doesn't know what is in the hearts of men until they began displaying their crookedness and it pained Him! Genesis 6:6
So claiming God planned everything in the beginning is a lie against His holiness!

So you disagree with your bible that God fore ordained Christ to save us even before the world was formed. Oya na, argue with your bible.
Also, your bible clearly states that God knows the heart of man
Psalm 44:21 – Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.
Jeremiah 17:10: I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.
1 Chronicles 28:9: And you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts.
Acts 1:24 And they prayed and said, 'You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
Hebrews 4:12: For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

tctrills:
Let us stick to what is revealed. I never spoke about man staying with Him in heaven or staying here on earth. I only said that Jesus Christ coming to die for our sins is the original plan according to the bible.

you are wrong sir, Jesus coming to die for our sin was not God initial plan for the earth, Jesus choose to die, God did not create Jesus to be killed, but rather, Jesus, through his own will and as part of God's plan, chose to die to save humanity from sin. This sacrifice, made out of love for humanity, was intended to provide a path for people to have a relationship with God after sin

MaxInDHouse:
He can't answer this simple question as he doesn't believe God's word but what he fabricated in his own crooked mind {John 8:44} according to God's word the original plan was for humans to live forever on planet earth:

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.” And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28

From the above it's evident that God is using humans as caretaker of planet earth {Genesis 2:15} which means we are care for the planet and use our God's given wisdom to make life sweeter to our own taste!

So what is man going to do in heaven?😂

The question is a distraction. The discussion is not about living with God in heaven or living on earth. And it is not about man being in God's image. It is about Adam and Eve eating the fruit and God's original plan to save man through Jesus Christ.

fuckJones:
you are wrong sir, Jesus coming to die for our sin was not God initial plan for the earth, Jesus choose to die, God did not create Jesus to be killed, but rather, Jesus, through his own will and as part of God's plan, chose to die to save humanity from sin. This sacrifice, made out of love for humanity, was intended to provide a path for people to have a relationship with God after sin

Please explain the highlighted verses from the bible. Because it seems you know more than the bible.
2 Timothy 1:9

"He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,

Revelation 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb's book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

Ephesians 1: 4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having[b] predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself[/b], according to the good pleasure of his will,

1 Peter 1:20

"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.

Do we believe the bible or do we believe you?

tctrills:
So you disagree with your bible that God fore ordained Christ to save us even before the world was formed.

It was after Adam sinned that God started working to save mankind from sin not before!

tctrills:
Oya na, argue with your bible.
Also, your bible clearly states that God knows the heart of man
Psalm 44:21 – Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.
Jeremiah 17:10: I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.
1 Chronicles 28:9: And you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a whole heart and a willing mind; for the LORD searches all hearts, and understands every intent of the thoughts.
Acts 1:24 And they prayed and said, 'You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
Hebrews 4:12: For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

God said he doesn't know what is in the mind of Abraham until the man chose to sacrifice his only son to God!

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 21:12

So searching people's heart differs from knowing what they want to do!

tctrills:
The question is a distraction. The discussion is not about living with God in heaven or living on earth. And it is not about man being in God's image. It is about Adam and Eve eating the fruit and God's original plan to save man through Jesus Christ.

Answer any question as long as you want to TEACH that's what we do in the ministry not always expecting simple and easy questions!🙂

fuckJones:
you are wrong sir, Jesus coming to die for our sin was not God initial plan for the earth, Jesus choose to die, God did not create Jesus to be killed, but rather, Jesus, through his own will and as part of God's plan, chose to die to save humanity from sin. This sacrifice, made out of love for humanity, was intended to provide a path for people to have a relationship with God after sin

If God planned everything from the onset then who is to blame for wrongdoing?

Is it not when trouble starts that God decided to provide a way of escape for obedient humans?😂

MaxInDHouse:
It was after Adam sinned that God started working to save mankind from sin not before!


God said he doesn't know what is in the mind of Abraham until the man chose to sacrifice his only son to God!

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 21:12

So searching people's heart differs from knowing what they want to do!

From reading the bible, did Adam eat the fruit before the foundation of the world? Jesus Christ was chosen before time according to your bible, so it's impossible for God started working to save mankind from sin after Adam ate the fruit. Or don't you believe in the word of God?

Your second point is useless. I already gave you enough verses to show that God knows the heart of man. Adam was clearly a man.

tctrills:
From reading the bible, did Adam eat the fruit before the foundation of the world?

YES!
Adam's rebellious descendants are the world whose foundation was laid at that very moment Adam took side with Satan!

tctrills:
Jesus Christ was chosen before time according to your bible, so it's impossible for God started working to save mankind from sin after Adam ate the fruit. Or don't you believe in the word of God?

Time started counting when God declared a death sentence on Adam before then there is nothing like time because Adam and his children won't grow old or die so they don't need time!

tctrills:
Your second point is useless. I already gave you enough verses to show that God knows the heart of man. Adam was clearly a man.

Did God told you that or you assumed it is the interpretation of what God's friends said?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
If God planned everything from the onset then who is to blame for wrongdoing?

Is it not when trouble starts that God decided to provide a way of escape for obedient humans?😂

Like you said, God didn't plan everything from the onset, in Genesis 6, The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain

fuckJones:
Like you said, God didn't plan everything from the onset, in Genesis 6, The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.

According to your friend that was also part of the plan!😂

God doesn't harbor evil thoughts {Psalms 5:4 compare to Habakkuk 1:13} that is why He couldn't process any evil in all His works {Genesis 1:31} until those He gave life started to yearn for higher positions.
Among His spirit sons one wanted more than just being a spirit son of God this is the one who started the rebellion {Isaiah 14:12-14} while God was working on that this creature decided to take over the earth by accusing God of unjust rule he said humans on planet earth would be better of than always been under God's rulership that's why he told Eve (the inexperienced one) lies about becoming God {Genesis 3:4-5} Eve surely was deceived because she knew only Adam who told her many things about their God and father so she fell for the bait but what about Adam?
Adam wasn't deceived he knew God one on one and he partake in the arrangement of other things like naming all earthly creatures {Genesis 2:19} God kept bringing each animal to Adam to name them because they are for him to control so whatever name he gave them is OK by the Almighty. Surely if anyone tells Adam he could become like God he knew that's a lie but he just wasn't contented with his position that's why he join in the rebellion against God! 1Timothy 2:14
When God confronted Adam he threw the blame on God claiming it's God's fault after all he never disobeyed when it was him alone! Genesis 3:12

So at this stage there happened to be no one on earth who is on God's side, Adam, Eve and Satan have joined forces and what that means is God must allow them to prove themselves if His rulership is unjust otherwise nothing stops God from destroying these three rebels but if God does that all the angels watching won't know whether God's way of handling matter is the best that's why God permitted them to keep living but He then made the first prophecy:

"I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will strike him in the heel.” Genesis 3:15

There are five persons involved in this prophecy!

[1] God who made the prophecy.
[2] Satan who used a snake to speak.
[3] A woman who will bear unique child.
[4] Offspring of the woman.
[5] Offspring of the Devil.

This is the founding of the world of disobedient humans and the beginning of time. So it's until this matter is settled that time will become useless because during the fulfillment of this prophecy time is needed to know if God's way of rulership is the best or not.
That's what brought to birth the coming of Jesus who commissioned the preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom {Matthew 4:17} God's Kingdom means God's rulership!

MaxInDHouse:
YES!
Adam's rebellious descendants are the world whose foundation was laid at that very moment Adam took side with Satan!

Time started counting when God declared a death sentence on Adam before then there is nothing like time because Adam and his children won't grow old or die so they don't need time!


Did God told you that or you assumed it is the interpretation of what God's friends said?🙂

Mr guesswork. Please provide one bible verse to show the following
1. The world began the moment Adam took the fruit.
2. Time started when God declared death.
3. That God lacked the ability to read minds until after Abraham.

For question number 2, you already failed it because time began before the creation of man.
God already counted 5 days before creating Adam so look for another lie.

tctrills:
Mr guesswork. Please provide one bible verse to show the following
1. The world began the moment Adam took the fruit.
2. Time started when God declared death.
3. That God lacked the ability to read minds until after Abraham.

For question number 2, you already failed it because time began before the creation of man.
God already counted 5 days before creating Adam so look for another lie.

Never mind Mr TC i'm not interested in your back and forth arguments!😂

MaxInDHouse:
Never mind Mr TC i'm not interested in your back and forth arguments!😂

Infact, time started in the first verse of the bible. Remember, In the Beginning?
That was the first recognition of time so as always, you are wrong.

Heaven is a place for higher beings and it has different dimensions. Man was created with a weak earthly body that can't function in any realms of heaven. His weak body can only function on eatth that was why he was created and seeded on earth where it can function. To Ancend into heaven he has to shed his weak earthly body for a spiritual heavenly body

tctrills:
Infact, time started in the first verse of the bible. Remember, In the Beginning?
That was the first recognition of time so as always, you are wrong.

OK Mr TC as i said i don't have any time to waste for your back and forth arguments today!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
OK Mr TC as i said i don't have any time to waste for your back and forth arguments today!🙂

You don't have argue, just sit back and learn.
As I said earlier, the bible began with God acknowledging time.
The entire book of Genesis 1 was a reckoning of time.
We learn of 7 days, a sabbath day,
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So we see that your organization again is teaching you falsehoods about time.

tctrills:
You don't have argue, just sit back and learn.
As I said earlier, the bible began with God acknowledging time.
The entire book of Genesis 1 was a reckoning of time.
We learn of 7 days, a sabbath day,
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So we see that your organization again is teaching you falsehoods about time.

OK Mr TC as i said there is no time to waste with you today, when someone that worths my time comes i will oblige! Matthew 7:6