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There has been a debate about the books of Genesis, and especially chapter one and two. There seems to be a difference in their separate account of creation making some think they're showing two different creations while others say they're the same creation.

In this video, our brothers take a deep discussion around this topic. Kindly watch and share
https://youtube.com/shorts/5WYYev0kN7w?si=nIJXO2WI6dQ1pJc8

Explain here let’s debate it out
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it can be debated here but i've expressed my views in the video

SpencerForbes:
Explain here let’s debate it out
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oridavid:
There has been a debate about the books of Genesis, and especially chapter one and two. There seems to be a difference in their separate account of creation making some think they're showing two different creations while others say they're the same creation.

In this video, our brothers take a deep discussion around this topic. Kindly watch and share
https://youtube.com/shorts/5WYYev0kN7w?si=nIJXO2WI6dQ1pJc8

In genesis1:1 God created the heavens and earth. When you gets to genesis1:2 ..the earth created by God in genesis1 has become formless) shapeless filled with darkness.
Something happened to the earth created in verse1 to become shapeless, formless and filled with darkness in verse2 .
I believe that'll was when Satan and his angels was cast down to the earth.
Geologically you can link both incidence.

ichuka:
In genesis1:1 God created the heavens and earth. When you gets to genesis1:2 ..the earth created by God in genesis1 has become formless) shapeless filled with darkness.
Something happened to the earth created in verse1 to become shapeless, formless and filled with darkness in verse2 .
I believe that'll was when Satan and his angels was cast down to the earth.
Geologically you can link both incidence.

When did lucifer change to satan . Was it before adam’s fall or after🤔
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SpencerForbes:
When did lucifer change to satan . Was it before adam’s fall or after🤔
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Before, after he lost his position in heaven

ichuka:
Before, after he lost his position in heaven

Just asking to see how grounded you’re before I fire😉
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ichuka:
Before, after he lost his position in heaven

I believe you have a point but have you molded anything before??
Can you list the processes involve in molding a sculpture?
This answers will determine how I engage you
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SpencerForbes:
Just asking to see how grounded you’re before I fire😉
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If you want to talk do so,we are all here to learn

ichuka:
If you want to talk do so,we are all here to learn

Now the point is you have a point but as an art student that create we can’t just base our narrative on the fact that it was the fall of satan that made the world shapeless🤔

Now creation is a work in progress. Even the earth till tomorrow is a work in progress. So there might be a chance that the “first earth” was just waiting for continuation rather than being destroyed or made so by satan.

Once you get your clay from the site, it doesn’t become perfect at the first instances but by following the procedures, after the first rough work which isn’t perfect, you’ll still have to work on it till you attain perfection. Which might take days or week depending on how good you are.

So my point is instead of trying to blame satan for everything which the Bible clearly stated in Job that satan can’t touch the handwork of God without permission, let’s come to think of it as a continuation of God’s Creative ability.
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That's inquisitive. I like that. However, we must always research and don't just let our minds assume. When we have a particular question, we need to research and ask, then we'll get answers.

Firstly, the idea of Satan and angels falling is a Babylonian myth. There's nothing of such in Genesis, whether Genesis 1 or 2.

Genesis 2 was the first book written and there's nothing of such in it. It was the book written to tell us that Adam predated even angels. The angels you talk about came into being after God had created Adam's.

The first thing God created after he created heaven and earth was Adam. After Adam, he created plant then spiritual companions (angels), then animals and lastly another man (eve)Eve.

This idea of angels and devil was a later Christo centric infusion into the gospel by Europeans who had a funny idea of life.

ichuka:
In genesis1:1 God created the heavens and earth. When you gets to genesis1:2 ..the earth created by God in genesis1 has become formless) shapeless filled with darkness.
Something happened to the earth created in verse1 to become shapeless, formless and filled with darkness in verse2 .
I believe that'll was when Satan and his angels was cast down to the earth.
Geologically you can link both incidence.

Lucifer (the first one to bear the commandment) changed to Satan (an enemy of the commandment) after he disobeyed the commandment.

You can't be calling lucifer and Adam in the same sentence. You can either say one or the other.

SpencerForbes:
When did lucifer change to satan . Was it before adam’s fall or after🤔
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This is untrue. There was nothing like this in the book of Genesis.

ichuka:
Before, after he lost his position in heaven

oridavid:
That's inquisitive. I like that. However, we must always research and don't just let our minds assume. When we have a particular question, we need to research and ask, then we'll get answers.

Firstly, the idea of Satan and angels falling is a Babylonian myth. There's nothing of such in Genesis, whether Genesis 1 or 2.

Genesis 2 was the first book written and there's nothing of such in it. It was the book written to tell us that Adam predated even angels. The angels you talk about came into being after God had created Adam's.

The first thing God created after he created heaven and earth was Adam. After Adam, he created plant then spiritual companions (angels), then animals and lastly another man (eve)Eve.

This idea of angels and devil was a later Christo centric infusion into the gospel by Europeans who had a funny idea of life.

Where's your Evidence to suggest this? 👀

It's common knowledge for any one with a spiritual eye not to make this blunder of a speech🤨.

I like your idea. People assume that what God created reached maturity instantly instead of seeing creation as a starting process that needs refining as time passes. God created the seed but maturity takes a process of germination.

Even so, there's nothing like Satan in the book of Genesis. Satan was added when we didn't understand what the book were saying. So, instead of assuming Satan existed and affected the world, let's spend time to understand the text.

SpencerForbes:
Now the point is you have a point but as an art student that create we can’t just base our narrative on the fact that it was the fall of satan that made the world shapeless🤔

Now creation is a work in progress. Even the earth till tomorrow is a work in progress. So there might be a chance that the “first earth” was just waiting for continuation rather than being destroyed or made so by satan.

Once you get your clay from the site, it doesn’t become perfect at the first instances but by following the procedures, after the first rough work which isn’t perfect, you’ll still have to work on it till you attain perfection. Which might take days or week depending on how good you are.

So my point is instead of trying to blame satan for everything which the Bible clearly stated in Job that satan can’t touch the handwork of God without permission, let’s come to think of it as a continuation of God’s Creative ability.
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Read your Bible brother. Take it up. Do your research to know which part of the Bible existed first, then read that part of the Bible.

When you read the Bible, follow the progression and you'll see life as it was formed. Don't add anything from your religion, just accept what you see in the text.

Gabrielshow24:
Where's your Evidence to suggest this? 👀

It's common knowledge for any one with a spiritual eye not to make this blunder of a speech🤨.

ichuka:
In genesis1:1 God created the heavens and earth. When you gets to genesis1:2 ..the earth created by God in genesis1 has become formless) shapeless filled with darkness.
Something happened to the earth created in verse1 to become shapeless, formless and filled with darkness in verse2 .
I believe that'll was when Satan and his angels was cast down to the earth.
Geologically you can link both incidence.

You have a fascinating idea but have you thought about the first being spiritual and the second being physical👀.

Spiritually, it's seven days God made all things, physically it's not so🤧. All that you see from the beginning even till now both of man and ’others’ have been made spiritually. Some will have physical existence while others will not 👀.

It is there to show you how God made all things then started the process to bring about all things👀. Two different ideas. Don't get it wrong, Satan's case is another matter.

oridavid:
Read your Bible brother. Take it up. Do your research to know which part of the Bible existed first, then read that part of the Bible.

When you read the Bible, follow the progression and you'll see life as it was formed. Don't add anything from your religion, just accept what you see in the text.

I asked for evidence you said I should read the bible, did I tell you that I don't read my Bible? 🤨

Bring your facts, preferably bible verses that support this idea of yours👀. I don't want your serenading, I don't need it.

This is animism - the believe that everything has a spiritual existence or that everything has a soul.

This idea is not realistic because if it was so, then life will be pointless and we'll all be guilty. Like your phone has a soul, your car has a soul and your house has a soul and every cloth you wear has a soul. This is more like cartoon brother. It's not realistic.

Gabrielshow24:
You have a fascinating idea but have you thought about the first being spiritual and the second being physical👀.

Spiritually, it's seven days God made all things, physically it's not so🤧. All that you see from the beginning even till now both of man and ’others’ have been made spiritually. Some will have physical existence while others will not 👀.

It is there to show you how God made all things then started the process to bring about all things👀. Two different ideas. Don't get it wrong, Satan's case is another matter.

Which of my idea are you talking about? Can you kindly tell me the idea you want me to provide evidence for?

Gabrielshow24:
I asked for evidence you said I should read the bible, did I tell you that I don't read my Bible? 🤨

Bring your facts, preferably bible verses that support this idea of yours👀. I don't want your serenading, I don't need it.

oridavid:
Lucifer (the first one to bear the commandment) changed to Satan (an enemy of the commandment) after he disobeyed the commandment.

You can't be calling lucifer and Adam in the same sentence. You can either say one or the other.

Are you insinuating Lucifer is Adam? Or have you made Lucifer someone he is not? 👀

Pls, tell us why we can't be calling Lucifer and Adam in the same sentence? 👀

oridavid:
This is animism - the believe that everything has a spiritual existence or that everything has a soul.

This idea is not realistic because if it was so, then life will be pointless and we'll all be guilty. Like your phone has a soul, your car has a soul and your house has a soul and every cloth you wear has a soul. This is more like cartoon brother. It's not realistic.

I like your strawman but it doesn't refute my argument. You made your own contrivance in order to defeat it🥱.

Why will life be pointless because God made ’creation’ spiritually? Or because he physically brought them so? Tell us, what framework you used to assume life pointless by this🤧?

oridavid:
Which of my idea are you talking about? Can you kindly tell me the idea you want me to provide evidence for?

Give evidence for your ideas🤷.

oridavid:
This is animism - the believe that everything has a spiritual existence or that everything has a soul.

This idea is not realistic because if it was so, then life will be pointless and we'll all be guilty. Like your phone has a soul, your car has a soul and your house has a soul and every cloth you wear has a soul. This is more like cartoon brother. It's not realistic.

I forgot to add, as regards your realism 👀. Do you expect us to believe that Adam was made before the clay he was made from🤨? Cuz going by your logic you want us to believe that after God made Adam, he started to form others in Gen1👀 including Adam himself 👀.

Now that's your realistic idea🤕🤦🏾‍♂️.

oridavid:
I like your idea. People assume that what God created reached maturity instantly instead of seeing creation as a starting process that needs refining as time passes. God created the seed but maturity takes a process of germination.

Even so, there's nothing like Satan in the book of Genesis. Satan was added when we didn't understand what the book were saying. So, instead of assuming Satan existed and affected the world, let's spend time to understand the text.

That’s what I’m trying to make Christians get. Bible must be thoroughly researched before we come up with conspiracies and we must enable not to swallow any story hook, line and sinker. This will help new converts and make us more knowledgeable.

But it is very sad to see Christians wait for their religious leaders and hearsay than study the word properly.
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Even the most stupid scientists even know that life started through stone dust. Some call it star dust and others call it ground or sand. It's true for any way you want to think about it. Whether you believe it or not is not the bone of contention because we don't actually need your opinion on this matter. We've already concluded, my friend, and we know it's realistic. We're just divided on whether it was God that initiated the process or whether it happened by chance.

Gabrielshow24:
I forgot to add, as regards your realism 👀. Do you expect us to believe that Adam was made before the clay he was made from🤨? Cuz going by your logic you want us to believe that after God made Adam, he started to form others in Gen1👀 including Adam himself 👀.

Now that's your realistic idea🤕🤦🏾‍♂️.

Which particular one? I already told you to read the bible but if you want me to point you to verse you have to be particular so i can show you the particular verse that talks about it.

Gabrielshow24:
Give evidence for your ideas🤷.

oridavid:
Lucifer (the first one to bear the commandment) changed to Satan (an enemy of the commandment) after he disobeyed the commandment.

You can't be calling lucifer and Adam in the same sentence. You can either say one or the other.

Can you shed more light on this??

In the bible, what we see in Genesis is only Adam. Lucifer is in the imagination of people like you. It was Adam who became enemy of God and who instituted a different way contrary to God (Genesis 3:22). It was Adam for whom death as reserved as God had told him before hand (Genesis 2:16-17). So you can't be mentioning Adam and Satan in the same statement as that is just going in cycles and making things up. You can either say Adam or Lucifer.

Gabrielshow24:
Are you insinuating Lucifer is Adam? Or have you made Lucifer someone he is not? 👀

Pls, tell us why we can't be calling Lucifer and Adam in the same sentence? 👀

Christianity is just a religious affiliation. It's the responsibility of everyone to research every of their ideas. This isn't about Christians alone. It's also for you and I. I'm a Christian myself but I also understand my responsibility.

SpencerForbes:
That’s what I’m trying to make Christians get. Bible must be thoroughly researched before we come up with conspiracies and we must enable not to swallow any story hook, line and sinker. This will help new converts and make us more knowledgeable.

But it is very sad to see Christians wait for their religious leaders and hearsay than study the word properly.
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oridavid:
Even the most stupid scientists even know that life started through stone dust. Some call it star dust and others call it ground or sand. It's true for any way you want to think about it. Whether you believe it or not is not the bone of contention because we don't actually need your opinion on this matter. We've already concluded, my friend, and we know it's realistic. We're just divided on whether it was God that initiated the process or whether it happened by chance.

This is ludicrously stupid, you seem to forget that all things needs a base material to form, I asked how come your Adam was formed before his own base material🤔? And you spinned this?🤷

Pls, once more tell us why your Adam, which is realistic by the way🥱, was made before his base material according to you?

oridavid:
In the bible, what we see in Genesis is only Adam. Lucifer is in the imagination of people like you. It was Adam who became enemy of God and who instituted a different way contrary to God (Genesis 3:22). It was Adam for whom death as reserved as God had told him before hand (Genesis 2:16-17). So you can't be mentioning Adam and Satan in the same statement as that is just going in cycles and making things up. You can either say Adam or Lucifer.

What about the serpent? 🤔
You also said Lucifer is my imagination, as if it's not biblically grounded👀. You are the one in delusion😅. Oh, I forgot that according to you, the serpent is just a thought or desire for Adam and Eve to touch themselves👀😂😂.

Pls, be grounded next time and stop floating around.