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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 4:14pm On Oct 22, 2025
budaatum:
I should go and ask "them" about a false claim you've made?

This is a maga strategy that is well used by basilico, and is the reason many don't waste time reading his drivel. He'd state one baseless conspiracy and expect us to go seek evidence and not notice his whole intent is to waste one's time.

My response to you is Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non quo negat:.
Buda, my comment was asking Mr DeepSight to initiate a discussion with you. I was referring him to YOUR statement, not asking YOU to do anything.

Now, what falsehood did I put down in our discussion?

Here's a statement -

Black Africans profited from the Slave Trade.

Everyone knows it's true.

Example I know of personally - I know a family where their wealthy ancestor, by my calculation it was around the 1840's, sold his "illegitimate", "adopted" son...don't know what term to use exactly...into slavery to settle a conflict with his favorite son. Somebody made money from that transaction, someone secured their inheritance by that act.

Again, simple statement - Black Africans profited from the Slave Trade. I maintain that is a 1000% statement of FACT and your earlier question affirmed that truth by implication, to wit -

budaatum wrote :
So. In your opinion, the money Black Africans earned from slavery is "lots" compared to the money earned by the slavers they worked for for generations and who bred them for more profit?
Or do you believe that Black Africans did NOT earn money from the Slave Trade? For clarification please.

Thanks.

Good Luck to Nigerians
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:19pm On Oct 22, 2025
IbeOkehie:
What is clear and is also implied by the query, is this - Black Africans earned money from the Slave Trade. Everyone knows this.

At least White America used their profits to build .....
No one is disputing the fact black Africans earned money from slavery, but making out black Africans earned anything significant or close to the buyers is a huge distortion of facts, since black Africans made nowhere near what the slave buyers made.

A similar argument might go something like, what did Africans do with the guns and gin they got for the land they 'sold' to european colonisers.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 4:25pm On Oct 22, 2025
budaatum:
No one is disputing the fact black Africans earned money from slavery, but making out black Africans earned anything significant or close to the buyers is a huge distortion of facts, since black Africans made nowhere near what the slave buyers made.

A similar argument might go something like, what did Africans do with the guns and gin they got for the land they 'sold' to european colonisers.
The objection above is an understandable attempt to minimize Black African responsibility, after all someone on this forum wrote that the mass sterilization of Black Slaves by the Arabs was very justifiable and worse than what the White Man did to his own slaves, so I'm immune to shocking opinions....but I'm satisfied with the essential truth therein. Hopefully @DeepSight doesn't come after you for this:

No one is disputing the fact black Africans earned money from slavery,
And that is all I've tried to bring to this thread, on this particular matter.

Remember there was nothing like fuel subsidy in Nigeria. Fuel subsidy never existed until President Tinubu abolished it in May 2023.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:35pm On Oct 22, 2025
IbeOkehie:
Hopefully @DeepSight doesn't come after you for this:
Why would I? Of course they did. That's not the issue here. If you think thats the issue and that's your special highlight, you havent even started. I would have engaged you further but I am gradually learning not to waste my energy. Something you said showed it would be a waste and thats all. When you say you dont know who made more money off it, then I have to walk away from wasting my energy because clearly you have no desire to attempt a serious discussion.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:38pm On Oct 22, 2025
basilico:
I out it to you that the negro has been given so much by the white person in terms of opportunities and money stemming from MLK efforts. Blacks in America are more wealthier than on my other continent. Democrats moreso have created so many chances for the black person than the republicans I admit that . Though I must add that the democrats want the family to be destroyed.
An unmarried single woman can get upto $3000+ 9000 per month depending on the number of kids. It's more economically advantageous for a single woman than a married woman if their gross income is less than $120K. Don't challenge me on this. This happens more to black families.
How is it special to say that the wealthiest set of black people in the world live in the wealthiest nation in the world?

That statement by the way can be qualified and debated, but even taking it as a given, how is it saying something special? Oh, I get it - because in your view, they have been thereby specially blessed by the white man and should thus be grateful right? Ride on.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 4:40pm On Oct 22, 2025
IjeBos:
Who is the bigger fool?
The person who licks someone's feet to get them to do something
or
The person who does something against their interests because someone licked their feet?

For diplomats and politicians, it's the latter.
Something your MAGA mind doesn't seem to comprehend.
The more pitiful aspect is that no one lic/ks his own feet in particular. People like him lic/k white feet for the sole pleasure of being able to say that they are inferior to whites.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:41pm On Oct 22, 2025
basilico:
I out it to you that the negro ....
Are you a negro?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 4:41pm On Oct 22, 2025
Black Africans made profits from the Slave Trade!

DeepSight:
Of course they did.
Whaaaat!??!! Kini odi gami fo ke O!!!!

grin grin grin

Still no slurs or insults? Please try to do better or maybe worse?

Liberal arguments are always better when seasoned with ad-hominem or whatever.

You people will not kill me on this Nairaland. All this for what? And all these people are Black African, Nigerians, Igbo, Efik, Yoruba, Edo, Nupe and whatever else? Most are likely university graduates undecided

No wonder why Black Africa is a basket case.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:52pm On Oct 22, 2025
IbeOkehie:
The objection above is an understandable attempt to minimize Black African responsibility....
Sounds to me like you are claiming I said [some] Africans did not financially benefit from slavery. Do read me below please.

https://www.nairaland.com/7376642/jews-now-openly-threatening-kanye#117452658

With the proviso that Africans earned no where near what the buyers earned.

IbeOkehie:
And that is all I've tried to bring to this thread, on this particular matter.
This might be what you've attempted to do, but your claim that you wouldn't have benefitted from being in the land if Africans hadn't sold Africans, is the message I've gotten from you, sadly.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:54pm On Oct 22, 2025
budaatum:
No one is disputing the fact that black Africans earned money from slavery, but making out that black Africans earned anything significant or close to what the slave buyers made is a huge distortion of facts, since black Africans made nowhere near what the slave buyers made.

A similar argument might go something like, what did Africans do with the guns and gin they got for the land they 'sold' to european colonisers.
This is subjective. No one is comparing whether their value allocation to their product (slaves) is high. To them it is, which is why they are making those deals.

They are selling their fellow humans for wealth, exchanging them for things they think are valuable.

What the buyers gained out of the deal is irrelevant. This is not a manliness contest.

Every culture was involved in taking slaves and using them in an inhumane way.

Let's start with the blame from home.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 4:58pm On Oct 22, 2025
DeepSight:
The more pitiful aspect is that no one lic/ks his own feet in particular. People like him lic/k white feet for the sole pleasure of being able to say that they are inferior to whites.
Exactly, he doesn't even see the connection.
While, people come to sing Trump's praises, to get billions for the US, weapons for their countries or favorable trade deals, Raumdeuter licks Trump's feet daily for what? The invisible affirmation of a white man?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 4:58pm On Oct 22, 2025
basilico:
I out it to you that the negro has been given so much by the white person in terms of opportunities and money stemming from MLK efforts. Blacks in America are more wealthier than on my other continent. Democrats moreso have created so many chances for the black person than the republicans I admit that . Though I must add that the democrats want the family to be destroyed.

An unmarried single woman can get upto $3000+ 9000 per month depending on the number of kids. It's more economically advantageous for a single woman than a married woman if their gross income is less than $120K. Don't challenge me on this. This happens more to black families.
grin

Had to read that bolded again to make sure. Maybe you're joking around?

It's understandable though. The default instinct is to sympathize with one's own race, tribe, religious fellows and so on.

There's a reason liberals & progressives are often accused of emotionalism. We know between men and women, who tends to be more emotional and more liberal. Allowances have to be made for human nature.

bemeruca:
This is subjective. No one is comparing whether their value allocation to their product (slaves) is high. To them it is, which is why they are making those deals.

They are selling their fellow humans for wealth, exchanging them for things they think are valuable.

What the buyers gained out of the deal is irrelevant. This is not a manliness contest.

Every culture was involved in taking slaves and using them in an inhumane way.

Let's start with the blame from home.
grin

This is a self-hating RAAAYYYSIST comment. You should be ashamed. You hate your own home? O ma se bi ewa bi. Go and sleep.

Good Luck to Nigerians!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:02pm On Oct 22, 2025
bemeruca:
Let's start with the blame from home.
Except this conversation is not about blame, you'd find if you'd bothered following it from its beginning.

And that's apart from the denial of the non-complicity in slavery of many Africans, and the lack of awareness in the greater loss of resource a country experiences when it loses it's able bodied people, which no sales income can compensate for.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:04pm On Oct 22, 2025
IjeBos:
Exactly, he doesn't even see the connection.
While, people come to sing Trump's praises, to get billions for the US, weapons for their countries or favorable trade deals, Raumdeuter licks Trump's feet daily for what? The invisible affirmation of a white man?
All of them (the black Trump worshipping community), are a profound pity.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie:
budaatum:
This might be what you've attempted to do, but your claim that you wouldn't have benefitted from being in the land if Africans hadn't sold Africans, is the message I've gotten from you, sadly.
Ohhhh yes, I'm saying that too...but it wasn't THE topic.

As pointed out before, examine the reasons, origins and such pertaining to

1) The Chinese Exclusion Act 2) The Immigration & Nationality Act (of 1964?...note the year) and 3) The Diversity Visa Lottery.

Without slavery, it would be much harder to find ANY Negroes in any Anglo-Western nation.

Simple comparison - how many Negroes live in Sweden and Norway? Or Switzerland? Might be afield from the conversation, but how many Negroes live in China?

Na wa o, this is craaazy.

Yes, it's likely that if the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade had never happened, there's a high chance I wouldn't be a citizen of the USA. There's NOTHING controversial about that, it's not even worth any serious argument. Kai!!!!

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 5:27pm On Oct 22, 2025
budaatum:
Except this conversation is not about blame, you'd find if you'd bothered following it from its beginning.

And that's apart from the denial of the non-complicity in slavery of many Africans, and the lack of awareness in the greater loss of resource a country experiences when it loses it's able bodied people, which no sales income can compensate for.
Buddaaaaaa !!!! Ah ah, wetin?

Liberals & Progressives should also find time to point out the non-complicity of Swedish Americans and Norwegian Americans. A high percentage of White Americans in the State of Minnesota are of Scandinavian origin and they didn't partake in any Slavery, yet they're routinely roped in when it's time to blackmail the White Man to give us money.

I started my life in America in the South. When I moved to Baltimore, I met MANY White Americans whose parents only got to the USA as immigrants in the 1970's. One particular guy my age is Irish and his parents only got to the USA in 1970, there's also another one whose parents are SERBIAN and got here in the 1970's too. What do they have to do with slavery?

Come on people, let's be fair.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 5:39pm On Oct 22, 2025
RodgersAkpafu:
Nothing will happen to any of them

Which one is "Clinton's judge"

A judge IS a judge
John Bolton is in a very serious problem. Biden's admin could have indicted him if the indictment had not tipped the Iranians off that the US intelligence had access to their systems.

Bolton's email account was compromised by Iran, and they had classified documents from it that the US intelligence got from Iranian servers.
They are all in huge trouble, at least Bolton and Letitia
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:47pm On Oct 22, 2025
DeepSight:
The more pitiful aspect is that no one lic/ks his own feet in particular. People like him lic/k white feet for the sole pleasure of being able to say that they are inferior to whites.
Why would you who was so against slavery want someone to lick your feet? Starmer a white man licking the feet of Trump a white man, but somehow your inferiority complex and victimhood still came into it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:50pm On Oct 22, 2025
budaatum:
No one is disputing the fact black Africans earned money from slavery, but making out black Africans earned anything significant or close to the buyers is a huge distortion of facts, since black Africans made nowhere near what the slave buyers made.

A similar argument might go something like, what did Africans do with the guns and gin they got for the land they 'sold' to european colonisers.
Its no ones business what you a seller makes and the value a buyer makes from his own. You price you goods and you sell

Nigeria sells oil for $100 a barrel and the buyer can refine it and make $10000 from the barrel
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:54pm On Oct 22, 2025
raumdeuter:
Why would you who was so against slavery want someone to lick your feet? Starmer a white man licking the feet of Trump a white man, but somehow your inferiority complex and victimhood still came into it
I refuse to engage in what will amount to a conversation between a writer and a stone.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 5:54pm On Oct 22, 2025
bemeruca:
John Bolton is in a very serious problem. Biden's admin could have indicted him if the indictment had not tipped the Iranians off that the US intelligence had access to their systems.

Bolton's email account was compromised by Iran, and they had classified documents from it that the US intelligence got from Iranian servers.
They are all in huge trouble, at least Bolton and Letitia
There's a high probability that Letitia James WILL NOT be convicted.

Until those who made the USA the great nation it is, pick up courage and once again "pledge their lives, property and sacred honor" to the defense and survival of this Republic, there will be only be DELAY on the way to ultimate ruin. There will be many more Letitia James and John Bolton in the decades ahead.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 5:57pm On Oct 22, 2025
IbeOkehie:
Buddaaaaaa !!!! Ah ah, wetin?

Liberals & Progressives should also find time to point out the non-complicity of Swedish Americans and Norwegian Americans. A high percentage of White Americans in the State of Minnesota are of Scandinavian origin and they didn't partake in any Slavery, yet they're routinely roped in when it's time to blackmail the White Man to give us money.

I started my life in America in the South. When I moved to Baltimore, I met MANY White Americans whose parents only got to the USA as immigrants in the 1970's. One particular guy my age is Irish and his parents only got to the USA in 1970, there's also another one whose parents are SERBIAN and got here in the 1970's too. What do they have to do with slavery?

Come on people, let's be fair.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
No one has ever claimed that every single white person is to blame somehow. Even back in the day, there were white abolitionists. The Quakers in particular. Who can dismiss the role of William Wilberforce? Even in South Africa there were white people who gave their lives in the fight against apartheid. All of these people are FAR more noble than those blacks whose only business in the world is to denigrate their own race and worship another.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:57pm On Oct 22, 2025
DeepSight:
I refuse to engage in what will amount to a conversation between a writer and a stone.
grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie:
DeepSight:
How is it special to say that the wealthiest set of black people in the world live in the wealthiest nation in the world?

That statement by the way can be qualified and debated, but even taking it as a given, how is it saying something special? Oh, I get it - because in your view, they have been thereby specially blessed by the white man and should thus be grateful right? Ride on.
OK, the wealthiest national group of Negroes in Africa live in South Africa. In fact the Blacks of South Africa are the 2nd or 3rd wealthiest and highest HDI Negroes in the world.

Before 2001, the Blacks of Zimbabwe were wealthier or had higher HDI than Nigerians, I don't know about today. By the way, Zambia and Zimbabwe used to be one country. The history of the separation and the results are interesting to know.

Today the Negroes of Botswana and Namibia are more developed and live at higher HDI than Nigeria.

Note on the Economic Definition of Development -

https://www.google.com/search?q=economic+definition+of+development&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1037US1037&oq=economic+definition+of+deve&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTIICAIQABgWGB4yCAgDEAAYFhgeMggIBBAAGBYYHjIICAUQABgWGB4yCAgGEAAYFhgeMg0IBxAAGIYDGIAEGIoFMg0ICBAAGIYDGIAEGIoFMg0ICRAAGIYDGIAEGIoF0gEJMTY2MzNqMGo0qAIDsAIB8QWkkx4W3ph33A&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I don't know if it appears on that search, but I've read it described as "the extent to which the benefits of economic growth are widely distributed among the populace of a nation".

Many have always wondered why Nigeria with its crude oil AND natural gas bonanza is generally less developed than those countries. Hmmmm. The thing is a big mystery. Someone should please educate me.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Nastymods: 6:07pm On Oct 22, 2025

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:08pm On Oct 22, 2025
bemeruca:
John Bolton is in a very serious problem. Biden's admin could have indicted him if the indictment had not tipped the Iranians off that the US intelligence had access to their systems.

Bolton's email account was compromised by Iran, and they had classified documents from it that the US intelligence got from Iranian servers.
They are all in huge trouble, at least Bolton and Letitia
There is nothing new in those allegations that the Biden admin didn't know. Since he was a Trump critic they dropped the investigation. Two tiered justice system.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:09pm On Oct 22, 2025
IbeOkehie:
OK, the wealthiest national group of Negroes in Africa live in South Africa. In fact the Blacks of South Africa are the 2nd or 3rd wealthiest and highest HDI Negroes in the world.

Before 2001, the Blacks of Zimbabwe were wealthier or had higher HDI than Nigerians, I don't know about today. By the way, Zambia and Zimbabwe used to be one country. The history of the separation and the results are interesting to know.

Today the Negroes of Botswana and Namibia live at higher HDI than Nigeria.

I've always wondered why Nigeria with its crude oil AND natural gas bonanza isn't generally better than those countries. Hmmmm. The thing is a big mystery.

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Its not such a big mystery as you think. You just dont wish to apply your brains beyond the simplistic notion "white man smart, black man daft" - that is where you are stuck. The reality is far more nuanced than that.

Have you ever been to South Africa before?

Nigerians are light years ahead of the generality of black South Africans.

Light years.

And till today, the economy of SA is firmly in Caucasian hands. So is 70 per cent of the land.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:11pm On Oct 22, 2025
IbeOkehie:
There's a high probability that Letitia James WILL NOT be convicted.

Until those who made the USA the great nation it is, pick up courage and once again "pledge their lives, property and sacred honor" to the defense and survival of this Republic, there will be only be DELAY on the way to ultimate ruin. There will be many more Letitia James and John Bolton in the decades ahead.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Why would there be a high chance For 43 years she lied on every single mortgage application she made. .
She has been charged with one of her 3 properties in Virginia. She still has 2 others in Virginia and 2 in New York.
43 years of lying to gain better mortgage terms. One application included lying about her father being her husband so that she would qualify for the mortgage.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:13pm On Oct 22, 2025
DeepSight:
I refuse to engage in what will amount to a conversation between a writer and a stone.
In simple terms you don't have a coherent comeback just like a typical liberal
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 6:20pm On Oct 22, 2025
raumdeuter:
In simple terms you don't have a coherent comeback just like a typical liberal
I dont go about responding to every incoherent thing I hear. Good day.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 6:20pm On Oct 22, 2025
DeepSight:
I refuse to engage in what will amount to a conversation between a writer and a stone.
DeepSight:
When you say you don’t know who made more money off it, then I have to walk away from wasting my energy because clearly you have no desire to attempt a serious discussion.
You’re seeing them for what they truly are. Impermeable to reason.
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