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bunnae:
He spoke in tongues. Let's just end it there.

NO,
St. Paul spoke in tongues (languages of Ethnic groups around that region),

Dat's why he talked about the need for Interpreters in the book of Corinthians.

He did not do the Chikorobo Chikaraba of Nigerian Christian Pentecostals today.

Infact, Nigerian tongues are Satanic.

Vinnie2000:
NO,
St. Paul spoke in tongues (languages of Ethnic groups around that region),

Dat's why he talked about the need for Interpreters in the book of Corinthians.

He did not do the Chikorobo Chikaraba of Nigerian Christian Pentecostals today.

Infact, Nigerian tongues are Satanic.

Your words, not mine.

When did u pray our Lord's prayer?

Peter is the first Pope becos he said "thou at Peter open this rock I will build my churci and the gate of hell won't prevent over it", not even any one here.. Meaning the gate of hell didn't stop the church. All other churches came out from Catholic most are doing what Catholic are doing now

btoks:
So if the Catholic church only emerged earlier as you state, could you please let us know which church it emerged from. Surely it must still exist plus their historical records and writings?

Note ... I quoted OP who stated the Catholic Church emerged from the early church lead by the the Apostles. You will have to ask OP for details about the early church.

Vinnie2000:
Catholic Church is a Traditional and Historical church
So if they say they know Peter's or John the Baptist Birthday, do NOT argue.

Black men CANNOT compete with Oyibo in terms of Record keeping.

Pple that knows the birthday of Shakespeare, Hitler, Napoleon, Isaac Newton, etc.

As for Praying to Saints, Catholic Church believe in Intercession.
Just like Abraham tried to make God not Destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

Mary and the Saints can Intercede on behalf of the Sinful Pple of the world.

It goes beyond record keeping, it's worshipping them that stretches into weeks or months

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary.
2. They didn't pray to the dead.
3. They didn't do satanic processions.
4. They didn't go to mass.
5. Scapular.
6. Infant baptism.
7. They didn't believe in purgatory.
8. They didn't use holy water.
9. They didn't call Peter a pope.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols.

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

The Apostles never paid or collected tithes

The Apostles never had a denomination

The never advertised miracles

The Apostles never used olive oil

The Apostles didn't take church as a personal business that should be handed over to their son

So where did your church get all these from?

Haydens:
The apostles didn't marry.

Peter was married.
Jesus Christ went to his house and probably stayed with them on occasions.

John 15:1-27 KJV
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

[2] Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

[3] Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

[4] Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

[5] I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

[6] If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

[7] If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

[8] Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
[9] As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. [10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. [11] These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. [12] This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. [13] Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. [14] Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. [15] Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. [16] Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. [17] These things I command you, that ye love one another. [18] If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. [19] If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
[20] Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
[21] But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
[22] If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

[23] He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

[24] If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

[25] But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

[26] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

[27] And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

GeneralOuki:
Being a part of the history of Christianity doesn't mean much my dear. You are talking about war fought by the church, do you have any idea how many innocent people the Catholic church burned to death just because they owned a copy of the bible or they were scientifically curious? Do you have any idea how much blood that the Catholic church have on their hands? How many invasions they sanctioned? Who do you think sanctioned the colonisation of America which led to the massacre of the native?

And why should a church wage wars in the first place?

By battles, you believe I mean wars of attrition? Nope. I meant persecutions and political maneuvering others are enjoying today. Without those, Christianity as you know it today would be dead.

You can look at your grandparents and wonder why they did certain things and still do them, but those things directly or indirectly secured your own existence today. If it works for them, let them be. It's nobody's business how anyone else chooses to practice their doctrines.

I'm not a catholic, I don't even believe in religion. But I understand some people need something to believe in and hold on to and I'll never talk down on anyone doing such as long as it's in good faith and not to take advantage of, or hurt anyone else.

Thank you for your post. Before you go judging/demonising the Catholic Church, I think you should re-read the Word of God (aka your Bible) in particular 2 These 2:15 which talks about the passing down of traditions and you should read the Catechism of the Catholic church to understand why it does what it does. I shall respond to your comments below.

1. The blessed Mary was on earth with the apostles after her son died. It is very very likely that whilst she was on earth they asked her to pray for them the way all Christians ask people they love and trust to pray for them

2. When Jesus was alive, He said that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the God of the living and not of the dead. Please read your Bible and look for where He said this. At the time He said, none of the people mentioned were alive on earth. If Jesus has said that they are alive, why do you assume that His own mother is not alive in heaven. The woman that was picked by God to carry His child. Also prayer is not the same as worship. And your comment suggests that you do not believe that there is life after death. Didn't Jesus speak to Moses and one of the prophets on Mount Tabor just before He died?

3. There is no point in responding to this. What processions to the Catholics practice that are satanic?

4. I don't even understand what your point is here? Did they go to service? Please tell us where they were going? I would advise you to re-read the scriptures and then attend a Catholic mass and you will see that everything that is said during mass comes either straight out of the Bible (virtually word for word) or it is a prayer.

5. What is your point here? Go and read about sacramentals in the Catechism and understand what the church teaches about it.

6. When people were first baptised, entire households were baptised - they did not say in scripture that the children in the households were NOT baptised. Everyone in the house was baptised. Please go and re-read your Bible.

7. Where does it say in scripture that they didn't believe in purgatory?

8. Where does it say in scripture that they didn't use holy water?

9. What is the issue with use of the term Pope. The word derives from the ancient Greek páppas, an affectionate term meaning 'father'. Is the word pastor used by the apostles in the Bible?

10. Catholics do not worship idols. If you don't understand the teaching of the Catholic church go and read the Catechism. Please note that loving anything more than God makes that thing an idol. E.g. Doing anything for money including not following the teachings of Jesus for money turn money into an idol and means the person is worshipping money not God. Jesus himself said you cannot serve God and money. No Catholic places any of the Saints or the Blessed Virgin Mary above the Trinity.

jesusjnr2020:
10 Things Catholics Do That The Apostles Didn't

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary (Ephesians 6:18).
2. They didn't pray to the dead (Matthew 22:32).
3. They didn't do satanic processions (Matthew 21:9).
4. They didn't go to mass (Acts 2:42).
5. Scapular (Acts 19:12).
6. Infant baptism (Acts 16:15-34).
7. They didn't believe in purgatory (1 Corinthians 3:10-15).
8. They didn't use holy water (Acts 19:12).
9. They didn't call Peter a pope: this is just a name. When Christ was leaving, he appointed Peter to 'feed his flock'. It follows that there will always be a need for an earthly head.
10. They didn't bow down or worship idols (Exodus 25:18-20).

So where did the Catholic church get these practices from?

Certainly not from the apostles or the early church.

God bless.

Kindly confirm above.

Op is just an attention seeker!
Btw, how come that the church that have been under attack for 2000years is still standing strong and the mushroom churches are fading away.
Anyway, I just want to chip in something very important that if u like, u take it or if u don’t like it, na u sabi.
All these talk about Mother Mary is becoming stale, infact obsolete.
A woman that God honored and picked to be the mother of Christ is the one that u are taking about like this . Say all the jargons in ur mouth ,it will not change the fact that Mary is the mother of every being be u Catholic, Protestant, Pentecostal, Hindus, Muslims even pagan. She is ur mother.
Let me also remind u that she is in heaven incase if u are clamoring to go to heaven. She is there with her son Jesus. I wonder if u will tell Jesus that u don’t like or want to see his mother that day.
Ur guess or answer is same with mine.
What apostles do not do and Catholics do , bla, bla, bla! Una never tire. Yes, we love Mary and honour her, if u don’t like that, kindly face front but u love ur mummy GO more than ur own mother and u even tell her to pray for u
I wonder how u love and appreciate ur mummy GO u see and refuse to honour and appreciate someone that gave birth to our Lord Jesus that u never see,
Wahala tie wrapper for this yr trend ooo or u just want to provoke catholics, We are very sorry, u cannot do that since u are so myopic that even if someone explain all ur so call points to u , u will still refuse to learn.
Let me allow u to wallow in ur ignorance.
I come in peace oooo!

Jahlivesforever:
The Catholic church teaches from Bible and Tradition.

Those things you listed may not be in the bible, but they are in the tradition of the church.

So, if you don't know tradition of the church, go ask your parish priest

Lolzzzzz

Tradition of church

Lolzzzzz 🤣

Bros all this thing you mentioned above doesn't matter, how you leave your life as a human in this world would be what will count. So stop this picking on denomination. There are Catholics that are living a very good and holy life and God is please with them. So I prefer you focus on your denomination that you think is the best in the whole world. Thank you.

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't say that. Your rosary prayers chanting "pray for us" clearly proves that you are praying to Mary to pray for you

But pentecostals can ask their pastor to pray for them? I am confused here.

If you can ask/run to your pastor to pray for you, does than mean you pray to your pastor? If that's the case then why critize Catholics for doing same?

Your next argument would probably be she is dead and gone but the pastor is still alive on earth (well.....let's leave that for another topic to discuss).

Please sir, kindly clear my confusion. Thanks.

Zocalite:
Lolzzzzz

Tradition of church

Lolzzzzz 🤣

As you laugh, it may be worth remembering that the bible itself was canonised through same tradition you mock.

Penguin2:
Why don’t you start by naming the idols that Catholics worship?

Second, Mary lived with the Apostles, why did they need to pray to who they were living with? Maybe you should tell us if the Apostles ever disrespected her or called her an envelope like your theology teaches.

Third, by pray to the dead, you mean saints? So you do not recognize the difference between you and the people who lived with Jesus and suffered martyrdom in some cases to propagate this faith you are now forming opinion on? Like, what makes you think you or your pastor should share same pride of place with Apostle Paul?

And to Purgatory, do you believe that God will send a woman who stole bread 🍞 from a supermarket to feed her hungry children to the same place He would send murderers and cultists?

But the same apostle Paul said in his letter to Timothy that Jesus is the only mediator between man God ( not Mary or his fellow apostles ). Even when a believer hailed Jesus's mother saying blessed is the womb that bore him and the tities that he sucked Jesus said rather blessed is the one who hears and does his word that such person is his mother, brother and sister(luke 11, 27-28). Bro flee from the catholic church you are very far from christ. You are better off in traditional religion at least you know whom you worship

tiswell:
Catholics aren't Christians,they practice ancient Roman system of worship.

They hijacked the leadership of CAN after Pa Ayo Oritsejafor,and since then,CAN became a shadow of itself.

And they hijacked the military barracks and NYSC camp too because in the military military barracks there are only two churches. The Catholic Church and the rest put together.
The question is where were you when they were hijacking everything at everywhere?

43Ronin:
But the same apostle Paul said in his letter to Timothy that Jesus is the only mediator between man God ( not Mary or his fellow apostles ). Even when a believer hailed Jesus's mother saying blessed is the womb that bore him and the tities that he sucked Jesus said rather blessed is the one who hears and does his word that such person is his mother, brother and sister(luke 11, 27-28). Bro flee from the catholic church you are very far from christ. You are better off in traditional religion at least you know whom you worship

Need to see the wider context of the passage, please read the entire chapter.  Its all about intercessiry prayer made possible by the one mediator,Jesus christ. The saints are not excluded from being intercessors and praying for us.

Also Jesus wasn’t dismissing His mother’s importance. He was showing rather that she was blessed because of her faith and obedience, not just from being His mother. This is early christian teaching

So if he flees from the Catholic Church, where exactly would he go? Could you name your own church?

lacasera14:
My own concern is where did this praying to and reverence to Mary emerge from? They say they don't worship her but too much reference to her can be termed as worship too. They mention her everyday and in every prayer. That's akin to worship and she's become their god. The version of Christianity called Catholicism scares me. If it was the version I was introduced into I won't be a Christian. I don't even want to talk about how stressful it is standing kneeling reciting rhymes like kindergarten. Omo....

You should try it. It works! I try not to ask Mother Mary for mundane things any more, so as not to trivialize my reverence.
By the way, yes, I pray TO Mary to pray for me. She's not ordinary human. She was conceived IMMACULATE. Her body ASSUMED into heaven. She's still in that dazed sleep that was her 'death'.
Her prayers work because, like Jesus, she knows human mundane status, even more, as a 'sub-human' - a WOMAN!

These ones you wrote here are infants theology how about baptism for the dead that St. Paul talk about, that none church denomination has grown enough to practice?
1 Corinthians 15:29: “Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead?”

1. The apostles didn't pray to Mary: They truly did not pray to Mary because Mary was praying for them beginning from the time when Jesus told John that behold your mother and at the upper room and also as revealed in Revelation 12:17. Read also 1 Maccabees 12:46.
DRA
It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
NABRE
Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be absolved from their sin.
NCB
Therefore, he had this expiatory sacrifice offered for the dead so that they might be delivered from their sin.

1 Peter 4:6: "For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does....

3. They didn't do satanic processions: Didn't Jesus processed triumphantly into Jerusalem?

4. They didn't go to mass: Mass means, gathering of large crowd/mass of people praying together.

5. Scapular: This are sacramentals. The Bible said that handkerchief and apron were taken from the body of Paul as instruments of healing.

6. Infant baptism. After Cornelius conversion he asked his whole household to be baptized. And as a centurion it is believed that his family/household must have included children and slaves.

7. They didn't believe in purgatory: 1 Peter 4:6: "For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.... Where were the people before He went to preach them. Luke 12:47-48.

8. They didn't use holy water: But the prophets taught us how to pray for water that could cause miscarriage, and make it pure.

9. They didn't call Peter a pope: Pope means, Papa which is also Daddy G.O.

10. They didn't bow down or worship idols: Won't you have called the covenant box an idol today? They didn't stop to reverence it. Wasn't not God who created for them in the old testament as a shadow of things to come? Was the Golden Cherubims on the covenant box not like an idol? When you look at icons you see idols, because of your grandparents ugly idols which are still in your mind, but when we Catholics look at them we don't see idols, we see Christ and His Glory.

Come to Catholic Church let me teach you Catholic theology.

Any practice aside the Bible is not of God. To every Christians, the holy book is our living standards. Nothing should be added to the Bible nor remove, says our Lord . Any traditions of the church practices outside the teaching of the Bible is regarded a sinful acts

Jahlivesforever:
The Catholic church teaches from Bible and Tradition.

Those things you listed may not be in the bible, but they are in the tradition of the church.

So, if you don't know tradition of the church, go ask your parish priest

doffman dofman Expanse2020

What is the difference between you and them?

chaseblack:
But the Bible didn't explicitly condemn women leading a religion infact during the times of the Israelites they had women Judges who led the spiritual nation of Isreal and the also said blessed are women for they will spread the word of God(not exact quote). However, image worshipping or human worshipping is explicitly condemned by God yet Catholics do it.

Same God that commanded Moses to creat a golden snake for the ppl of Israel to look upon and be saved? Same God that commanded the ppl of Israel to creat the ark of covenant to represent him any where they go to ? You ppl problem is that you refuse to reason deeply....

jesusjnr2020:
This also applies to any denomination, not just Catholics, that is practicing anything contrary to that which we read in the Gospels of Jesus which was followed by the apostles and the early church, otherwise they're no different from the Catholic church in that regard.

Therefore they also need to repent and return to the practices and doctrines of the apostles which they received from Jesus.

God bless.

So believe the Catholic worshipers are practising evils and need to repent?

AntiisIam:
doffman dofman

What is the difference between you and them?

It is too late for you to deny your Christianity oo.

😀😀 you are both Christian nah and you are together .

No be you be this ? Ahaaa

penearth:
Peter is the first Pope becos he said "thou at Peter open this rock I will build my churci and the gate of hell won't prevent over it", not even any one here.. Meaning the gate of hell didn't stop the church. All other churches came out from Catholic most are doing what Catholic are doing now

There is no pope in the Bible. What we have are Evangelist, teacher, prophet, pastor, Apostle. Where has Catholic gotten Pope?