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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:28pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
That is RFKs suggestion and opinion, what is yours for why 1 in 2000 became 1 in 23
He said it is RFK's suggestion and opinion. Lol
Then asks what is yours. Lol.
This is the "common sense" he always talks about.
What's crazy is people who think like you are currently running the US.
God Help Us
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:30pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
Lets test your science? Shall we?

What is a woman
Go back to grade school and relearn the scientific process.
You sound like an air.-head at a Beauty pageant.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:30pm On Oct 31, 2025
IjeBos:
He said it is RFK's suggestion and opinion. Lol
Then asks what is yours. Lol.
This is the "common sense" he always talks about.
What's crazy is people who think like you are currently running the US.
God Help Us
So asking for your own opinion is strange to you? Maybe because normal people have opinions and not what the media feeds them

God help us and let people be able to think and have their own opinions
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:31pm On Oct 31, 2025
IjeBos:
Go back to grade school and relearn the scientific process.
You sound like an air.-head at a Beauty pageant.
Show us your science and your intellectualism and tell us simply

What is a woman

Should be simple enough
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:31pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
When you see something of that proportion increase and no suitable solution is in the way, that leaves room for ANY opinions both founded and unfounded.
I don't think you studied science in school, or you at least learnt nothing of the scientific method. If you did, you wouldn't be peddling the above, which is the same îgnorant logic as ajẹ je ke la nọ, ọmọ ku lo ni. Tani ko mọ pé ajẹ lo pa ọmọ. I call it the epitome of non-brain use.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:31pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
So asking for your own opinion is strange to you? Maybe because normal people have opinions and not what the media feeds them

God help us and let people be able to think and have their own opinions
Normal people don't expect the HHS secretary to base US policy on opinions.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:33pm On Oct 31, 2025
budaatum:
I don't think you studied science in school, or you at least learnt nothing of the scientific method. If you did, you wouldn't be peddling the above, which is the same îgnorant logic as ajẹ je ke la nọ, ọmọ ku lo ni. Tani ko mọ pé ajẹ lo pa ọmọ. I call it the epitome of non-brain use.
Scientific process starts with observation and researching why what you observed is so to eliminate what could not be and isolate what could be
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:33pm On Oct 31, 2025
IjeBos:
Normal people don't expect the HHS secretary to base US policy on opinions.
Normal people have opinions, You should have yours too or do you just gobble what the media tell you
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:34pm On Oct 31, 2025
IjeBos:
He said it is RFK's suggestion and opinion. Lol
Then asks what is yours. Lol.
This is the "common sense" he always talks about.
What's crazy is people who think like you are currently running the US.
God Help Us
I always do find common sense to be inferior sense, as minimum effort is required for its acquisition, but some seem to value it for some reason.

budaatum:
Sorry, but I beg to differ.

Common means just about everyone can easily have it. As in, no effort is required for its acquisition. While superior sense requires a lot of effort, which makes it not common to all.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:40pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
Scientific process starts with observation and researching why what you observed is so to eliminate what could not be and isolate what could be.
Exactly. And that's why you shouldn't accept "ANY opinions both founded and unfounded", like how you accepted some imaginary unfounded great past Nigeria where fuel was constant and students didn't riot without bothering to observe and research, which is science.

People who observe and research will not take serious anything you say if that's your approach, and is why many of us don't take RFK serious.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:43pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
In 2025, Many places in Nigeria still do not have uninterrupted electricity, Many places still do not have a transformer nor electric poles, Many people still go to bed hungry
There may be many places like you claim in 2025, but it can't be as many places as lacked those things in the 70s.

But I do expect you to argue otherwise. It's what you do.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:15pm On Oct 31, 2025
This would be a good reason for the Labour Party to not get my vote in the next election.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/why-uk-allows-israeli-settlers-terrorise-west-bank
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:16pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
Normal people have opinions, You should have yours too or do you just gobble what the media tell you
You should go back and review what an opinion is.
Then go back to the scientific process and see where "opinions" go.

Then go and research expertise(knowledge) vs. opinion.
Then ask yourself which you would like your medical information based on.

At your big age, this stuff shouldn't be hard for you that you are arguing them.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 7:05pm On Oct 31, 2025
The Government is shutdown
Inflation running rampant.
Health Care costs going up.
And we are about to start a war for what some reason.
And this is what the President of the United States is psoting.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Roland17(m): 7:07pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
When you see something of that proportion increase and no suitable solution is in the way, that leaves room for ANY opinions both founded and unfounded. Many people have tried to link to increased medications.

This isn't the first time a medicine would have been used for many years and later in the future someone comes to admit it had side effects. We saw it with opioids when some people were chewing like Candy, Perdue pharmacy was churning it out in millions and claiming it wasn't that bad. They were getting govt approvals(FDA), lives were ruined, Until we landed in the middle of a crisis which wiped a generation of youths

If we cannot say why in 40yrs 1 in 2000 became 1 in 23, At that rate in another 20yrs will it be 1 in 3? And shouldn't people be worried? When they are rightly worried without a solution in sight, Anything that looks like hope they latch onto it

For example, RFK just announced a plan to remove petroleum based synthetic dyes from food. Maybe its harmless or not
Dayo, public health is based on science, data and research. It can not be based on subjective opinions because you are going to cause public fear which leads to harm. Whatever, RFK's opinions were, they were not backed by facts/ data and that is why he backtracked. Science doesn't care about your opinion, he should know that.

You and I can hold subjective opinions about public health and spread them as we please but person's in RFK's position shouldn't because it can cause the entire public health system to collapse. He did not have the data nor conclusive research to make such statement about complicated Neurological disorder and Tylenol.

On replacing synthetic dyes with natural ingredients, he has my support because data and extensive peer reviewed research have shown a strong relationship between synthetic dyes and behaviors/ cognitive issues in children. There has been pressure to replace synthetic dyes with natural ingredients for a while now and I am glad he is trying to get it fixed. This example is different from the autism/ Tylenol example.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by AmazonTopaz(f): 7:17pm On Oct 31, 2025
happney65:
Lmao.
They are expecting Trump to give them asylum? grin grin
Don't mind them.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Roland17(m): 7:18pm On Oct 31, 2025
basilico:
I've noticed westerners love their pills and medicines. Every small ailment, they pop pills. They pop sleeping pills instead of counting one to a thousand.
Lots of chemicals also in the foods. Preservatives, food colouring, soft drinks , processed foods, genetically modified foods have all sorts of chemicals. Add children toys, too much smog in the cities etc All these chemicals .from waking up to bedtime I believe contribute to more visits to doctors .
You are right about Americans and our addiction to medications (prescription/ OTC) and that is why many doctors are increasingly trying Non-Pharmacological approaches in managing some illnesses like early diabetes and HBP/ Hypertension. Doctors try to get patients to alter their lifestyles with exercise and healthy eating to see if things improve.

You also have to remember that Big Pharms are a huge part of our Capitalism and politics, it is a vicious cycle.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:26pm On Oct 31, 2025
Roland17:
Dayo, public health is based on science, data and research. It can not be based on subjective opinions because you are going to cause public fear which leads to harm. Whatever, RFK's opinions were, they were not backed by facts/ data and that is why he backtracked. Science doesn't care about your opinion, he should know that.

You and I can hold subjective opinions about public health and spread them as we please but person's in RFK's position shouldn't because it can cause the entire public health system to collapse. He did not have the data nor conclusive research to make such statement about complicated Neurological disorder and Tylenol.

On replacing synthetic dyes with natural ingredients, he has my support because data and extensive peer reviewed research have shown a strong relationship between synthetic dyes and behaviors/ cognitive issues in children. There has been pressure to replace synthetic dyes with natural ingredients for a while now and I am glad he is trying to get it fixed. This example is different from the autism/ Tylenol example.
Most of what you wrote in the first paragraph was what was done during COVID and pushed as settled science which we are now finding out were completely wrong
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Banchotmods: 7:27pm On Oct 31, 2025
IjeBos:
The Government is shutdown
Inflation running rampant.
Health Care costs going up.
And we are about to start a war for what some reason.
And this is what the President of the United States is psoting.
lGAYbt ye

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:28pm On Oct 31, 2025
budaatum:
There may be many places like you claim in 2025, but it can't be as many places as lacked those things in the 70s.

But I do expect you to argue otherwise. It's what you do.
Captain bvious. Surely the technology was new and increasing then so its surely going to be more electricity now than then

People who lived some feel their lives were better then and want to go back to those easier times, You are free to call their Make Nigeria Grat Again and tag it Make Nigeria Fulani Again
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:29pm On Oct 31, 2025
IjeBos:
You should go back and review what an opinion is.
Then go back to the scientific process and see where "opinions" go.

Then go and research expertise(knowledge) vs. opinion.
Then ask yourself which you would like your medical information based on.

At your big age, this stuff shouldn't be hard for you that you are arguing them.
All these long sentences and you cannot just use your scientific knowledge to answer

What is a woman
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:33pm On Oct 31, 2025
IjeBos:
The Government is shutdown
Inflation running rampant.
Health Care costs going up.
And we are about to start a war for what some reason.
And this is what the President of the United States is psoting.
The Government is shutdown - Speak to Democrats to open govt
Inflation running rampant. - You have stopped whining about prices of eggs and gas? And your predicted recession
Health Care costs going up. - Ask what happened to Affordable Obamacare act
And we are about to start a war for what some reason. - Start war? We are ending wars. Come out of the basement and see the real world
And this is what the President of the United States is psoting. - Go outside and get some breeze to clear your head
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:54pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
Captain bvious. Surely the technology was new and increasing then so its surely going to be more electricity now than then

People who lived some feel their lives were better then and want to go back to those easier times, You are free to call their Make Nigeria Grat Again and tag it Make Nigeria Fulani Again
Captain not research and not observe, there's people who said their lifes were worse under Biden too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZIxB7vR29w?si=hCFFPVX8DPrykjsc
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:56pm On Oct 31, 2025
budaatum:
Exactly. And that's why you shouldn't accept "ANY opinions both founded and unfounded", like how you accepted some imaginary unfounded great past Nigeria where fuel was constant and students didn't riot without bothering to observe and research, which is science.
People who observe and research will not take serious anything you say if that's your approach, and is why many of us don't take RFK serious.
Was there anyone here who claimed that fuel was constant and student didn't riot? Where did you get that from or you dug it up from the usual place you dig up your conjectures
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 7:58pm On Oct 31, 2025
budaatum:
Captain not research and not observe, there's people who said their lifes were worse under Biden too.
https://you.be/hZIxB7vR29w?si=hCFFPVX8DPrykjsc
Surely their life was worse under Biden, The border were open, the country is safer now
which is why Americans voted out
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:01pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
Was there anyone here who claimed that fuel was constant and student didn't riot? Where did you get that from or you dug it up from the usual place you dig up your conjectures
The below was someone, but I'm certain that person will now try to wriggle out of saying what they wrote.

raumdeuter:
Maybe its just your imagination that is telling you MAGA means something other than MAGA. And that is your own issue.
If you say I want to Make Nigeria Great Again to be like in the 70s or 80s when graduates don't go without a job, or ASUU strike no fuel queues
But your mind suddenly thinks its to make Nigeria Great means to make it Fulani again or make it military rule again. Then that is on you
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:04pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
Surely their life was worse under Biden, The border were open, the country is safer now
which is why Americans voted out
I wonder why they are wailing now. Is it because their life is now better under dump?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-h9YVLApgM?si=COP6Yo1tWGuBb107
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:15pm On Oct 31, 2025
budaatum:
The below was someone, but I'm certain that person will now try to wriggle out of saying what they wrote.
So you saw "No riots" in that statement you quoted
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:16pm On Oct 31, 2025
budaatum:
I wonder why they are wailing now. Is it because their life is now better under dump?

https://yu.be/2-h9YVLApgM?si=COP6Yo1tWGuBb107
Some people will always wail, You cannot make everyone happy
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:24pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
So you saw "No riots" in that statement you quoted
Typical of you to split hairs like your strike isn't even less worse than the riots that actually happened.

You must think we were all celebrating and partying when we striked in the 70s before you were born.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Roland17(m): 8:25pm On Oct 31, 2025
raumdeuter:
Most of what you wrote in the first paragraph was what was done during COVID and pushed as settled science which we are now finding out were completely wrong
"Completely wrong" is an exaggeration because the interventions saved a lot of lives and those interventions along with new information/ research into that particular strain have now stabilized public health in terms of COVID-19. Hell, Trump benefitted from those interventions, despite publicly speaking against them.

You have to remember, the COVID-19 strain was novel, the world had never seen anything like that. However, there had been extensive research and data on other strains of the virus like SARS etc. Clinicians and researchers had to rely on findings from the closest strains to quickly develop vaccines that can immediately save lives while researchers worked on this new strain.

It is why you continue to fund research and not halt any funding because public health crisis can arise any minute. The US is constantly monitoring public health crisis around the world and try to be proactive in researching into them, just incase it becomes an issue here or a pandemic.
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