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orisa37:
BENUE IS IGBOLAND. MAKE IT SE SIXTH STATE.

Faber:
The Ikwerres that are not Igbos come from Ijaw and become Ikwerre or they come from Bini, the Ikwerres that are not Igbos are not originally Ikwerre people. The original Ikwerre people have Igbo ancestry... So the impostors who later joined the Ikwerre people cannot speak for the original Ikwerres. Are you among the impostors from Ijaw, Ogoni, kalabari or are you real original Ikwerre with Igbo ancestry which one are you?

Kreesxxx:
Do you mean that Igbos are coward that people who met them on ground took over the land from them? We know Igbos such as the Aros who ran away during the way. The came with their spirituality in the 17 and 18 centuries. They were harboured. At a time when the leadership of the East was handed over to the Igbos they became lords to us overnight. When it was time to deal with them we did not look back. Presently, indigenous Igbos in our midst are not up to 5000 people. They dont even want to be seen as Igbos.
Let ne also educate you. Ikwerre is one ethnic group that confronted Igbos before the war. This is why the mortal enemy of the Igbos even before the Fulanis are the Ikwerres. We understand this and we are fully prepared. We told the whole world in what is known today as Rumuomasi Declaration in 1953 that we are not Igbos, neither Ijaws or Ogonis but we are Ikwerees. Please search online for Rumuomasi Declaration. It was before the war when you people had Nigeria in your pockets. So when your kinds say ikweeres denied being Igbos after the war show them Rumuomasi Declaration. As a matter of fact Ikwerres formed the Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention in 1963 way back before the Igbos came up with Ohanaeze.
Igbo is Igbo. Ikwerre is Ikwerre. Annexing us because of your size wont work.

Gerhards:
Those you claimed are Igbos but they are not above 5000 in number in your delusional state of mind are the true owner of Ikwerre and those of you with ancestry from Benin are the stranger who were accommodated but turned out to be ingratiate.

Can we know the distance between Ikwerre and Benin? And distance between Aba and Ikwerre? 🤣🤣 there you have your answer. Time will come when those who their great grandparents came from Benin will be send back to Benin, if I were you I will do everything possible to locate my ancestral home in Benin in case when the inevitable happens. I just want to give you honest advice because you got some Igbo blood in you through your grandmother from Umuahia. Peace ✌️

Kreesxxx:
Do you mean that Igbos are coward that people who met them on ground took over the land from them? We know Igbos such as the Aros who ran away during the way. The came with their spirituality in the 17 and 18 centuries. They were harboured. At a time when the leadership of the East was handed over to the Igbos they became lords to us overnight. When it was time to deal with them we did not look back. Presently, indigenous Igbos in our midst are not up to 5000 people. They dont even want to be seen as Igbos.
Let ne also educate you. Ikwerre is one ethnic group that confronted Igbos before the war. This is why the mortal enemy of the Igbos even before the Fulanis are the Ikwerres. We understand this and we are fully prepared. We told the whole world in what is known today as Rumuomasi Declaration in 1953 that we are not Igbos, neither Ijaws or Ogonis but we are Ikwerees. Please search online for Rumuomasi Declaration. It was before the war when you people had Nigeria in your pockets. So when your kinds say ikweeres denied being Igbos after the war show them Rumuomasi Declaration. As a matter of fact Ikwerres formed the Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention in 1963 way back before the Igbos came up with Ohanaeze.
Igbo is Igbo. Ikwerre is Ikwerre. Annexing us because of your size wont work.

Faber:
What do you think you have that the Igbos don't have that they want to annex you?
Mention it here Mr. Igbo hater. You think say you dey talk to baby

Kreesxxx:
So why do you want me to be Igbo man? Bros the truth I wont lie for you a typical Ikwere man does not want anything to do with Igbo identity.

Faber:
Who and who wants you to be Igbo man? What we Igbos are saying that you should maintain your Ikwerre weather good or bad... In the face of troubles you people will claim you are Igbos so that Igbos with their population and national spread will fight for you... Amaechi did it, Wike did it , even Asari Dokubo...

Then when Igbos are being persecuted, you guys will distance yourselves. I don't understand how 39 million people are dragging 1.2 million people to join them or how 1.2 million people are claiming to be greater than 39 million people, that 39 million people are greater than them.

There's no Ikwerre man, dead or alive that big pass the highest rank Igbo man. Name one Ikwerre man on the Nigerian currency? Name one Ikwerre man that have become Senate President in Nigeria, Name Ikwerre man that have become chief of Army Staff, name one Ikwerre man that have his name on any airport in Nigeria, even private air strip. Name one Ikwerre man that is Catholic Archbishop or Catholic Cardinal in Nigeria. Name one Ikwerre man that have become president of this country. Name one Ikwerre man that have headed the CBN, or INEC...in Nigeria Ibibio/Efik, Kamuri, Bini, Ijaw, Tiv, Jukun, Nupe comes as 2nd class tribes after the big 3. Know where your tribe belong. They belong to 3rd class tribes in Nigeria... occupying only 4 local governments. Take sleeping pill, no one dey drag you to join them for what exactly, no one is envious of you, wetin you get Igbo no get.

Bye

Kreesxxx:
You have belittled the Igbo by comparing them to Ikwerre people. If you are looking for your contemporaries look towards the Yorubas and the Hausa/Fulanis. Igbos have 5 states while Ikwerre is roughly four LGAs. Please dont belittle the Igbos. Meanwhile Ikwerres are contented with their boundaries. There is never a time an Ikwerreman full of pride would call himself Igbo. Wike never did it. The Igbo man that called Amaechi Igbo he took the mic from the Igbo man and told him he is Ikwerre . See it is a taboo in Ikwerre land for anyone to anyone to tag a diali Igbo. This is where you Igbos have not understood. It is something cultural and not a social media something. An Ikwerre man sees himself a blue blood and a superior race. Let me also reveal to you that in Ikwerre land if you are a prince it is a taboo to get married to an Igbo woman. I am sorry I am telling you all these. Like I told you I have Igbo blood but this is what I noticed among my people.

Kreesxxx:
You have belittled the Igbo by comparing them to Ikwerre people. If you are looking for your contemporaries look towards the Yorubas and the Hausa/Fulanis. Igbos have 5 states while Ikwerre is roughly four LGAs. Please dont belittle the Igbos. Meanwhile Ikwerres are contented with their boundaries. There is never a time an Ikwerreman full of pride would call himself Igbo. Wike never did it. The Igbo man that called Amaechi Igbo he took the mic from the Igbo man and told him he is Ikwerre. See it is a taboo in Ikwerre land for anyone to anyone to tag a diali Igbo. This is where you Igbos have not understood. It is something cultural and not a social media something. An Ikwerre man sees himself a blue blood and a superior race. Let me also reveal to you that in Ikwerre land if you are a prince it is a taboo to get married to an Igbo woman. I am sorry I am telling you all these. Like I told you I have Igbo blood but this is what I noticed among my people .

Faber:
The same thing you said here was the reason Governor Sim mocked one king some days ago...he says he is not Igbo but answers "Ochi Oha" now you said you have Igbo blood and not Igbo...have you seen an Igbo man tell you he have Ikwerre or Yoruba or Hausa blood..
You people want to sit on the fence, then you turn around and claim that Igbos are dragging you people to join them...

I see an average Ikwerre man as a confused person

Kreesxxx:
My grandmother was an Igbo woman is that enough to say I have Igbo blood?
SIM you can see is half a man. How can governor say such? Language is shared. If not for verifiable
history would you believe that America migrated from the UK? We will dig this deep one day and we will end up learning you were the one who stole language. What most of you speak as language you call Igbo is what what you learnt in school. An Ikwerre man doesn't need to go to school before understanding it. What does that tell you? You copied Ikwerre man's language and called it yours. You call it central Igbo yet you need to go to school to learn how to speak it.

Makavelli001:
This trend is about anioma but this ikwerre internet worior don turn am to ikwerre vs Igbo trend.

I've lived in both ikwerre and Igboland for years. I observed that An average Igbo man don't bother himself about ikwerre. They don't even know whether ikwerre exist. It only online that I'm seeing this nonsense debate.

But the truth is that every tribe have the right to decide which group to belong. And the right for self determination. Despite that, igbos will always come for the ikwerres, because they have something that belongs to the igbos... Language, culture and Land.
Kreesxxx is arguing that currently majority of ikwerre repute Igbo identity.
This may be true in recent circumstances. But it was not always like this. I remember that in the 80s and 90s the identity crisis was not noticable in most parts of ikwerre. I was only Strong in emuoha lga. But after the return to democracy in 1999, politicians most especially during Amechi's tenure sponsored the indoctrination and the younger generation were completely brainwashed.


The privilege that ikwerre is enjoying in rivers today was given to them by Igbo men Zik and Ebitu. In early 90s when they haven't created bayelsa, ijaws we're dominating rivers politics. They often have conflicts with ikwerres to the extent that it often amount to streets riots between okirikas and the ikwerres. The okirikas attached themselves with the ijaws, while the ikwerres looked up to the Igbo. They sent delegation to Zik for help. That was why Obi wali was seriously campaigning for Port Harcourt state. (Exactly what Ned is doing now) Forward to when abacha wanted to create new states. Zik instructed Ebitu ukiwe to present Bayelsa states as one of the states to be created, in order to free igboids in rivers from ijaw dominance. That is how rivers was split.
In my own opinion, ikwerres elites are very ungrateful to the Igbo. They are directing their anger to the wrong people.
I'm not an Igbo person, but in view of what I have observed, igbos will surely come for ikwerres in the future because of the atrocities that their elites (mosty especially wike) have committed against the Igbo.
Lastly, Kreesxxx your assertion that ikwerres have their ogbakor ikwerre before Igbo came up with ohanaeza show that u are so naive about your history.
Before ohaneze, there was Igbo state union which was established in 1948. It was baned in 1966 after the military took over. It later metaphored to ohaneze during the second republic.
The same era that ogbakor ikwerre was established, there was also other Igbo groups such as the orlu progressive union and many others.it was mainly established for political reasons not for tribe identity as portraited now by the ikwerres. Most of ur assertion is as of the results of indoctrination. There is no historical documents about Rumumasi declaration. Also these assertion u are bringing up are recent notions fabricated by ur elites in other to strengthen their claim. Even Elechi Amadi who was the architect of this ikwerre identity crisis did not mentioned it in any of his write up.

Kreesxxx make u dey camp down. NO CONDITION IS PERMANENT.

Kreesxxx:
My grandmother was an Igbo woman is that enough to say I have Igbo blood?
SIM you can see is half a man. How can governor say such? Language is shared. If not for verifiable
history would you believe that America migrated from the UK? We will dig this deep one day and we will end up learning you were the one who stole language. What most of you speak as language you call Igbo is what what you learnt in school. An Ikwerre man doesn't need to go to school before understanding it. What does that tell you? You copied Ikwerre man's language and called it yours. You call it central Igbo yet you need to go to school to learn how to speak it.

Kreesxxx:
My grandmother was an Igbo woman is that enough to say I have Igbo blood?
SIM you can see is half a man. How can governor say such? Language is shared. If not for verifiable
history would you believe that America migrated from the UK? We will dig this deep one day and we will end up learning you were the one who stole language. What most of you speak as language you call Igbo is what what you learnt in school. An Ikwerre man doesn't need to go to school before understanding it. What does that tell you? You copied Ikwerre man's language and called it yours. You call it central Igbo yet you need to go to school to learn how to speak it.

Faber:
Are you aware America was founded by Spain, it was named after Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci commissioned by Spain, just like Christopher Columbus. The Spanish are the earliest founders or America and Spanish is 2nd most spoken language in United States...you just dey talk anyhow

Faber:
The Igbo people have inhabited their current homeland for centuries, but there is no single founding date. Archaeological evidence points to early human activity in the region over 250,000 years ago. Key cultural developments include the rise of the Nri Kingdom around the 10th century and evidence of settlement and advanced bronze and iron working in Igbo-Ukwu by the 9th century.

The Ikwerre people have ancient origins traced to a 13th-century flight from the Benin Kingdom. Their history is marked by distinct ethnic identity formation, with a significant cultural and political declaration in 1965, leading to their official recognition as a separate group in the 1979 Nigerian Constitution.

You became a tribe in 1979 and you claim a tribe that have existed from 2,500 years copied your language. This is the most laughable stuff I have read on the Internet...you cannot defend or assert Ikwerre superiority over Igbo without sounding stupid...look at how laughable you sound 🤣🤣🤣

I have been discussing with a comedian all these while chai

Kreesxxx:
You started by making sense but after a while you showed why we call you people Isoma. Like I have said the repudiation of the Igbos among Ikwerre people is traditionally and culturally fantastical. It is ingrained in the daily life of an average Ikwerre man.ost of wives and mother are Igbos but when they come over and observe this they also quickly adjust.
Igbo people maintained their boundary after the war. It was like this before the war. The only difference now is that the Igbo man doesn't have the authority he used to have before the war that made his lord over Eastern Nigeria and hence Ikwerre people.
Ikwerre people have always said they are not Igbo before, during and after the war and this is not a make up case. Ikwerre people had so much to benefit by claiming Igbo identity before the war but with the last pint of blood in their vein they denied Igbo identity to the chagrin of people like you.
Culture is interwoven and might be copied from big and small tribes vice versa.
After the war an Igbo man maintained his boundaries. It was Kanu and his radio Biafra that woke up this enmity. An Ikwerre man sees an Igbo man as a brother. Most Ikwerre people like myself fall into this line. But where u see that it is not true is to call an Ikwerre man Igbo. It is not. And I agree it is not due to some cultural practices that forbids anyone even with Igbo mother among us.

onuman:
According to your write-up, Ikwerre people said they were not Igbos during and after the Biafra-Nigeria civil war.

In other words, Ikwerre people were Igbos before the civil war? Lol.

Goldensword:
What a time to be alive, Delta state man now going about calling for greater igbo unification, though deep down, i think he's doing all these in other to get igbos to support his Anioma state creation bid he's championing.

My first to comment on a major thread since I joined nairaland, worth celebrating 🥳🥳🥳

Kreesxxx:
Ned only from his people can't make his people Igbo. Let him include his paramount ruler.

Kreesxxx:
You started by making sense but after a while you showed why we call you people Isoma. Like I have said the repudiation of the Igbos among Ikwerre people is traditionally and culturally fantastical. It is ingrained in the daily life of an average Ikwerre man.ost of wives and mother are Igbos but when they come over and observe this they also quickly adjust.
Igbo people maintained their boundary after the war. It was like this before the war. The only difference now is that the Igbo man doesn't have the authority he used to have before the war that made his lord over Eastern Nigeria and hence Ikwerre people.
Ikwerre people have always said they are not Igbo before, during and after the war and this is not a make up case. Ikwerre people had so much to benefit by claiming Igbo identity before the war but with the last pint of blood in their vein they denied Igbo identity to the chagrin of people like you.
Culture is interwoven and might be copied from big and small tribes vice versa.
After the war an Igbo man maintained his boundaries. It was Kanu and his radio Biafra that woke up this enmity. An Ikwerre man sees an Igbo man as a brother. Most Ikwerre people like myself fall into this line. But where u see that it is not true is to call an Ikwerre man Igbo. It is not. And I agree it is not due to some cultural practices that forbids anyone even with Igbo mother among us.

Makavelli001:
Point of correction, I'm not Igbo. I'm from cross River. But I know ur history more than u do. I expected u to comment on important point I raised, rather u resorted to bullying.
Isoma is an Igbo word for igbos who where from isu and orsu areas of imo state. They were mostly peasants who work in people's farms to earn a living in the olden days.
Uptill date Owerri people still refers to people from orlu axis as isoma.
ikwerre migrants now generalized the concept to include all igbos and also gave a different interpretation to it.
You don't really deserve IGBO attention, they have other more important pressing matter to handle. It is a known fact that ikwerre is made up of 2 distinct groups.
1. The real ikwerres who are from Igbo linage.
2. The migrants ikwerres who came from Benin, and were allowed to settle with the indigenous ikwerre.
The migrants took advantage of Igbo defeat in the civil war, and then generalized that ikwerres aren't Igbo. They renamed Igbo communities to make it sound less igbotic.

Below is the map of PH in 1914, from the national archives.

Rest.

Kreesxxx:
Doesn't it mean you never read I said Before, during and after the war?
Bros see tell others to rest. It is not just me.
Am Ikwerre man sees himself as being debased when you refer him to be Igbo. Igbos understand this about the Ikwerres and that is why they taunt them with Igbo identity.
And I know why. I think the first set of Igbos they saw were generally slaves captured from Igbo land and this led to the hasty generalisation.

Kreesxxx:
You got the last line. My grandmother was from Umuahia. Umuopara according to her. Her elder brother was Martins Ihenachor Onwuegbu and younger brother Odimakor Onwuegbu. This is to tell you I have Igbo blood anf have nothing against them. My grandmother told me when she married to my granddad that there was distinction between Ikwerre people and Igbo people. That an Ikwerre man was never seen as an Igbo person. She died at age over 80 in 2009. Bros tell others you cant coerce us into becoming Igbos.We are not. If not for evil intention you people should be canvassing for a union of Igbo and Igbo-related people. I am Igboid. I am described as Igboid because Igbos ae more in population than the Ikwerre people. If the reverse was the case Ikwerre would be used to define Igbos. Our languages sound alike due to a phenomenon called mutual intelligibility in linguistic. It is a phenomenon all over the world. It is not only with the Igbis and the Ikwerres. If you know a typical Ikwerre person just as Rotimi and Wike are you will understand it is mission impposible to force into theor throats what they are not.