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SpencerForbes:
Funniest part is that you all think because you obey the law automatically you have a free pass to heaven.

Even Paul stated that it’s good to keep the law but focusing on it, he said “so ye boast not”
Keep celebrating your outward holiness and show off but if your heart ain’t aligned with God. A Samaritan would be chosen before you. Just like “The Good Samaritan”

Shalom
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If you’re caught up in sin, please ask God for grace to overcome. Even Apostle Paul says we can’t continue in sin that grace may abide. By saying that all you need is belief in Christ Jesus while you continue living in sin, it’s a great deception from hell.

The insights from the book of revelation as I posted earlier shows that aside from unbelievers, there are other categories that won’t make it to heaven. So believing is not just enough, obtain grace to live above sin. No one can boast to have conquered sin by their own power, it’s all by grace, that’s what Apostle Paul was saying.

Shalom.

Gracefilled01:
If you’re caught up in sin, please ask God for grace to overcome. Even Apostle Paul says we can’t continue in sin that grace may abide. By saying that all you need is belief in Christ Jesus while you continue living in sin, it’s a great deception from hell.

The insights from the book of revelation as I posted earlier shows that aside from unbelievers, there are other categories that won’t make it to heaven. So believing is not just enough, obtain grace to live above sin. No one can boast to have conquered sin by their own power, it’s all by grace, that’s what Apostle Paul was saying.

Shalom.

Na why I like your last statement. That’s the kind of Christians I can flow with not the ones that deliberately act like they’re helping God by being holy. Like that man up there.

The best thing is we should be asking for grace. Even to live above sin and law.
Shalom
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SpencerForbes:
Na why I like your last statement. That’s the kind of Christians I can flow with not the ones that deliberately act like they’re helping God by being holy. Like that man up there.

The best thing is we should be asking for grace. Even to live above sin and law.
Shalom
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Right, the grace has been made available but anyone who refuses to key into it while they wallow in sin cannot see God, sorry. Because there’s no more excuse to keep sinning.

SpencerForbes:
Have you heard of actions and consequences even physics calls it cause and effect. Seems I’m replying an ignoramus.

Okay dive. I prefer to hear from people that has something tangible than sentimental people🤧🤧🤧🤧
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When you were saying freewill, did you care about consequences aka effects? No

So, as I said,, your smartest words are your first posts after that your brain goes down to low battery recharge now

Gracefilled01:
If you’re caught up in sin, please ask God for grace to overcome. Even Apostle Paul says we can’t continue in sin that grace may abide. By saying that all you need is belief in Christ Jesus while you continue living in sin, it’s a great deception from hell.
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Hope you know that the word in bold means that you got work to do in stopping the sinning?

Paul severally says that you are going to do the work of discontinuing sin eg 1 Corinthians 5 is in reference to this topic

7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,"

No grace here, only you doing the work. Therefore, grace is not enough.

Gracefilled01:
Lol..Hypergrace preachers. You mean one can claim to abound in grace yet remain a kidnapper, murderer, rapist, etc, and then makes it to heaven eventually? Lol. This is beyond me. Those that name the name of the Lord must depart from iniquity! Christ says that at the last day, some will say they did this and that in his name, yet he will deny them, Matthew 7:22-23. Not every one who calls Lord Lord enters the kingdom of God.

Grace is given so that you can live a godly life, Titus 2:11-12, because without it, it's impossible to. So my brother, repent from your sins, else Anyways, I hope you allow the Holy Spirit to teach you the truth.

Nope, not hypergrace, just free grace.
Departing from iniquity is a good thing, but the scriptures never said it is a must.
And those that Jesus were talking about in Matt 7:22-23 are those who point to their works( "repenting of sins, holiness, changed life e.t.c) but never did the will of the father ( trust in Christ).
Even the passage you quoted said Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Should is a volitional clause and is not synonymous with must. And the scriptures dont contradict itself. Cause Eph 2:8-9 says Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

So I pray also the Holy Spirit teach you the truth as well.

Jumbojax:
Nope, not hypergrace, just free grace.
Departing from iniquity is a good thing, but the scriptures never said it is a must.
And those that Jesus were talking about in Matt 7:22-23 are those who point to their works( "repenting of sins, holiness, changed life e.t.c) but never did the will of the father ( trust in Christ).
Even the passage you quoted said Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Should is a volitional clause and is not synonymous with must. And the scriptures dont contradict itself. Cause Eph 2:8-9 says Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

So I pray also the Holy Spirit teach you the truth as well.

From grace to hypergrace. One day and falls prophet will come with superhypergrace.

Where is the should in 1 Corinthians 5 ?

7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,"

Or the clear words in Romans 1

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death...

Or 1 Corinthians 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is

No should here and no grace here. It is you who has got to do the work of fleeing and purging and refusal to commit any of these things. 1 Corinthians 6;9 has warned all saying "Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers...'

And also do not deceive others for you shall not be guiltless

Jumbojax:
Nope, not hypergrace, just free grace.
Departing from iniquity is a good thing, but the scriptures never said it is a must.
And those that Jesus were talking about in Matt 7:22-23 are those who point to their works( "repenting of sins, holiness, changed life e.t.c) but never did the will of the father ( trust in Christ).
Even the passage you quoted said Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Should is a volitional clause and is not synonymous with must. And the scriptures dont contradict itself. Cause Eph 2:8-9 says Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast.

So I pray also the Holy Spirit teach you the truth as well.

Go read Revelations 21:8 and Revelations 22:15, then come back and tell me why idolaters, the sexual immoral etc will be cast into hell. Those that name the name of the Lord “must” depart from iniquity, 2 Timothy 2:19. It’s a must!

Tell me one person in the Bible that accepted Christ yet continued in sin. Apostle Paul himself abandoned his old life after meeting Christ. Salvation goes hand in hand with repentance, they are 2 different terms. In salvation, you accept Christ, followed by repentance where you turn away from your old ways and begin to live like Christ since you have now inherited his nature. Is there sin in the nature of Christ? Apostle Paul says it’s no longer I that lives, but Christ lives in me. Any life that you live which Christ himself cannot live is an error. Remember, Christian means “Christ-like”.

So desist from abusing the grace of God and deceiving the public. Bye!

Dtruthspeaker:
Hope you know that the word in bold means that you got work to do in stopping the sinning?

Paul severally says that you are going to do the work of discontinuing sin eg 1 Corinthians 5 is in reference to this topic

7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,"

No grace here, only you doing the work. Therefore, grace is not enough.

Not true. God’s grace is sufficient for anyone. The mistake is that we often think grace does all the work, no! We must participate in our salvation too, Philippians 2:12-13. While we already have our salvation through grace, it is now our responsibility to put that grace into work. E.g. If visiting a certain place predisposes me to lust, I rather not go. Taking the decision to stay back is tough, but relying on God’s grace enables me overcome this unrighteous thought. So, it’s a collaboration between grace and man.

Grace helps us in time of need, hence, the ministry of grace is to help, and not to invalidate our own efforts.

Gracefilled01:
Go read Revelations 21:8 and Revelations 22:15, then come back and tell me why idolaters, the sexual immoral etc will be cast into hell. Those that name the name of the Lord “must” depart from iniquity, 2 Timothy 2:19. It’s a must!

Tell me one person in the Bible that accepted Christ yet continued in sin. Apostle Paul himself abandoned his old life after meeting Christ. Salvation goes hand in hand with repentance, they are 2 different terms. In salvation, you accept Christ, followed by repentance where you turn away from your old ways and begin to live like Christ since you have now inherited his nature. Is there sin in the nature of Christ? Apostle Paul says it’s no longer I that lives, but Christ lives in me. Any life that you live which Christ himself cannot live is an error. Remember, Christian means “Christ-like”.

So desist from abusing the grace of God and deceiving the public. Bye!

Yet Paul, struggled with sin till the very end of his life Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Revelations 21:8 and 22:15 are both correct those types of sinners are going to hell but the believer in Christ has a new identity before God, the believer in Christ has received Christ's imputed righteousness and is declared righteous by God despite experiential lifestyle. Believers are exhorted to depart from sin for a number of beneficial reasons, like a more abundant life, but sinlessness is not a criteria for heaven since Christ solved the sin problem.
Even Paul concluded by saying Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Gracefilled01:
Not true. God’s grace is sufficient for anyone. The mistake is that we often think grace does all the work, no! We must participate in our salvation too, Philippians 2:12-13. While we already have our salvation through grace, it is now our responsibility to put that grace into work E.g. If visiting a certain place predisposes me to lust, I rather not go. Taking the decision to stay back is tough..,

Ehen! That is what I am saying and more for example we have to ignore and reject and cast away and corse all the briests, and divided bums we see everyday from our neighbours to the office, markets, churches etc just so that we do not continue in our former way of fornication and adultery.

Dtruthspeaker:
From grace to hypergrace. One day and falls prophet will come with superhypergrace.

Where is the should in 1 Corinthians 5 ?

7 "Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,"

Or the clear words in Romans 1

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death...

Or 1 Corinthians 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is

No should here and no grace here. It is you who has got to do the work of fleeing and purging and refusal to commit any of these things. 1 Corinthians 6;9 has warned all saying "Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers...'

And also do not deceive others for you shall not be guiltless

First of I am free grace not hypergrace. If you believe in Christ and you go steal in the market, they will burn you but you won't go to hell, cause Christ paid for the sin of stealing.

Second, 1 Corinthians 5 talks of church sanctification not individual sanctification, cause sin spreads fast in a group and the congregation should be protected from an individual like that.

You see proper exegesis of the text to understand the context would clear up these misunderstandings but your type focuses on the bad news and not the goodnews(gospel).
The later portion of that text says 1 Corinthians 6:11-12 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Paul himself said ALL things are lawful unto him, is Sin not part of ALL but he goes on to say its not expedient, its not beneficial, what will be the gain in sinning when I'm an eternal saint

I hope the Holy spirit teaches you cause God forbid on judgement day, the gates of heaven and hell before you and you try to defend yourself by telling God "but I did the "work""

Jumbojax:
Yet Paul, struggled with sin till the very end of his life Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Revelations 21:8 and 22:15 are both correct those types of sinners are going to hell but the believer in Christ has a new identity before God...

You used the word "struggle with sin" which means that he fought and resisted sin. Which is why you do not see him secretly fornicating or adulterying or stealing or doing any unrighteousness. And it is in the doing of all these things that makes him a different person from the former person.

It is the change that Christ assures us WILL grant us a PARDON (thanks to Tinubu you now know what a pardon is). And the Pardon is the IN PUTTING of righteousness which you are not seeing is the fulfillment of Law in that you have done righteousness, therefore you get righteousness aka "Do unto others what you want done unto thee".

So there is no way that a drunkard, hook up patron, adulterer, thief can be a new person no matter how much he believes, if he is still the same drunkard, hook up patron, adulterer whom everybody knows.

Jumbojax:
Yet Paul, struggled with sin till the very end of his life Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Revelations 21:8 and 22:15 are both correct those types of sinners are going to hell but the believer in Christ has a new identity before God, the believer in Christ has received Christ's imputed righteousness and is declared righteous by God despite experiential lifestyle. Believers are exhorted to depart from sin for a number of beneficial reasons, like a more abundant life, but sinlessness is not a criteria for heaven since Christ solved the sin problem.
Even Paul concluded by saying Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Lol…so much contradictions in your post! You acknowledged sinners will be cast into hell, but went ahead to say believers are exempted. Is unbelief the only sin you saw there in revelation?

Apostle Paul didn’t return back to sin, he said he beats his body and bring it under subjection, so that while he preaches to others, he won’t be a castaway, 1 Corinthians 9:27. A kidnapper, rapist, murderer, terrorist, liar, fornicator, adulterer etc that accepts Christ must obtain grace to now live a new and godly life, they must not return to such sins, else they perish. Sinners cannot see God, no matter how you hyper-grace preachers try to twist it.

Christ says, if your eyes causes you to sin, plug it off for its better to be in heaven without eyes than to be thrown into hell with both eyes, if your hands causes you sin, cut it off, for it’s better to enter heaven with one hand than be thrown into hell with both hands. Do you understand this saying?

Again, grace is available for believers to live above sin. Grace doesn’t mean liberty to sin, but that believers can now live above sin, read 2 Timothy 1:9 (NLT).

I implore you to study these scriptures carefully. Rather than focusing on one part of the scripture that seemingly favors one narrative, it’s better to have a more balanced and nuanced view by studying it in depth and asking the Holy Spirit to convict you where you’re missing it.

Jumbojax:
First of I am free grace not hypergrace. If you believe in Christ and you go steal in the market, they will burn you but you won't go to hell, cause Christ paid for the sin of stealing.

You are deceiving yourself or your church has deceived you.

There is no way you will not go to he..., for God is a Just Judge and not Partial. And there is no way that He would judge Canaan that He won't judge Isreal the same.

Jumbojax:
Second, 1 Corinthians 5 talks of church sanctification not individual sanctification, cause sin spreads fast in a group and the congregation should be protected from an individual like that.

Is this how you deceive yourself?

First, who is a church, is it not you?

Secondly, no where did Paul say church in chapter 5 but "you".

"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you" (no church here)

Thirdly, if church is a building can a church fornicate?

Or you saying that he said all of you in church are fornicating, hence church?

Stop deceiving yourself and do not let people deceive you

Of all forms of deception self-deception is the most deadly, and of all deceived persons the self-deceived are the least likely to discover the fraud. Aiden Wilson Tozer

The worst of all deceptions is self-deception. Plato

Dtruthspeaker:
You used the word "struggle with sin" which means that he fought and resisted sin. Which is why you do not see him secretly fornicating or adulterying or stealing or doing any unrighteousness. And it is in the doing of all these things that makes him a different person from the former person.

It is the change that Christ assures us WILL grant us a PARDON (thanks to Tinubu you now know what a pardon is). And the Pardon is the IN PUTTING of righteousness which you are not seeing is the fulfillment of Law in that you have done righteousness, therefore you get righteousness aka "Do unto others what you want done unto thee".

So there is no way that a drunkard, hook up patron, adulterer, thief can be a new person no matter how much he believes, if he is still the same drunkard, hook up patron, adulterer whom everybody knows.

See, you’re lowering God's standards. All it takes is One sin. Just One sin to damn someone to hell, not a lifestyle of sin, not practicing sin, not even an unwillingness to stop sin, just one sin. Thats why God made it black or white, you believe in Christ and you're made sinless forever, but you dont believe in Christ and then you pay for your own sin. Thats the spiritual pardon.

Gracefilled01:
Lol…so much contradictions in your post! You acknowledged sinners will be cast into hell, but went ahead to say believers are exempted. Is unbelief the only sin you saw there in revelation?..

His church teaches him that God is partia

Gracefilled01:
Lol…so much contradictions in your post! You acknowledged sinners will be cast into hell, but went ahead to say believers are exempted. Is unbelief the only sin you saw there in revelation?

Apostle Paul didn’t return back to sin, he said he beats his body and bring it under subjection, so that while he preaches to others, he won’t be a castaway, 1 Corinthians 9:27. A kidnapper, rapist, murderer, terrorist, liar, fornicator, adulterer etc that accepts Christ must obtain grace to now live a new and godly life, they must not return to such sins, else they perish. Sinners cannot see God, no matter how you hyper-grace preachers try to twist it.

Christ says, if your eyes causes you to sin, plug it off for its better to be in heaven without eyes than to be thrown into hell with both eyes, if your hands causes you sin, cut it off, for it’s better to enter heaven with one hand than be thrown into hell with both hands. Do you understand this saying?

Again, grace is available for believers to live above sin. Grace doesn’t mean liberty to sin, but that believers can now live above sin, read 2 Timothy 1:9 (NLT).

I implore you to study these scriptures carefully. Rather than focusing on one part of the scripture that seemingly favors one narrative, it’s better to have a more balanced and nuanced view by studying it in depth and asking the Holy Spirit to convict you where you’re missing it.

You're using a false Bible, no wonder you can't see the power of God in the gospel.
Paul new that someone preaching the message to the the people should endevour to be spotless so his faith may be made profitable to them, cause man judges outward, but God sees the heart and knows who believes and is saved
Go and study the book of John in the KJV

Dtruthspeaker:
You are deceiving yourself or your church has deceived you.

There is no way you will not go to he..., for God is a Just Judge and not Partial. And there is no way that He would judge Canaan that He won't judge Isreal the same.



Is this how you deceive yourself?

First, who is a church, is it not you?

Secondly, no where did Paul say church in chapter 5 but "you".

"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you" (no church here)

Thirdly, if church is a building can a church fornicate?

Or you saying that he said all of you in church are fornicating, hence church?

Stop deceiving yourself and do not let people deceive you

Of all forms of deception self-deception is the most deadly, and of all deceived persons the self-deceived are the least likely to discover the fraud. Aiden Wilson Tozer

The worst of all deceptions is self-deception. Plato

Accusations is how low you will go, a truthspeaker that can't handle the truth.

Is it not Bible we're talking here, why quoting philosophers, and how do you know you're not self-deceived

Jumbojax:
Accusations is how low you will go, a truthspeaker that can't handle the truth.

Is it not Bible we're talking here, why quoting philosophers, and how do you know you're not self-deceived

Just say you do not have any valid answer and that you are feeling guilty because I have truly spoken the Truth.

And this thread proves that I stated the relevant bible scripture and you cannot answer, so rest.

And even though the bold is a fallacy Tu quoque I am happy to point out that I am not self dee because since I know that God's words are the same yesterday, today and forever thereyI am always reading and re-reading and engaging people to see whether whatever position I hold is still right today, even it was right yesterday.

Which is why my signature says "There is no valid argument against the Truth".

Dtruthspeaker:
Just say you do not have any valid answer and that you are feeling guilty because I have truly spoken the Truth.

And this thread proves that I stated the relevant bible scripture and you cannot answer, so rest.

And even though the bold is a fallacy Tu quoque I am happy to point out that I am not self dee because since I know that God's words are the same yesterday, today and forever thereyI am always reading and re-reading and engaging people to see whether whatever position I hold is still right today, even it was right yesterday.

Which is why my signature says "There is no valid argument against the Truth".

So you're looking to self for truth! And having engagements with others for validation. God's word should be your final validation of truth

Dtruthspeaker:
His church teaches him that God is partia

Lol…They teach him to keep wallowing in sin that heaven is sure since there’s grace, God won’t mind if he sins or not

Jumbojax:
You're using a false Bible, no wonder you can't see the power of God in the gospel.
Paul new that someone preaching the message to the the people should endevour to be spotless so his faith may be made profitable to them, cause man judges outward, but God sees the heart and knows who believes and is saved
Go and study the book of John in the KJV

It’s clear who uses the false bible between us

You focused on just few of Paul’s account to justify sinful lifestyles, while I’ve presented a more nuanced view by using both Paul’s and Jesus’ teachings. The book of revelation I equally referenced was also written by John. So my brother, repent from your sinful ways, and if you’ve been deceiving others with your false teachings to keep enjoying in sin while having assurance of heavenly inheritance, then go back and tell them the truth. Else, they perish and their sins will be on your head Bye

Gracefilled01:
It’s clear who uses the false bible between us

You focused on just few of Paul’s account to justify sinful lifestyles, while I’ve presented a more nuanced view by using both Paul’s and Jesus’ teachings. The book of revelation I equally referenced was also written by John. So my brother, repent from your sinful ways, and if you’ve been deceiving others with your false teachings to keep enjoying in sin while having assurance of heavenly inheritance, then go back and tell them the truth. Else, they perish and their sins will be on your head Bye

If your version is so clean then how come their are so many scriptures that have been cut out. Quote Matt 17:21 from your version if e sure you

Jumbojax:
If your version is so clean then how come there are so many scriptures that have been cut out. Quote Matt 17:21 from your version if e sure you

How does Mathew 17:21 that talks on casting out demons and prayer/fasting relate to our discussion? Rest in Jesus’ name

Gracefilled01:
How does Mathew 17:21 that talks on casting out demons and prayer/fasting relate to our discussion? Rest in Jesus’ name

Paraphrasing cause you can't find the NLT version of it
Why don't you rest in the finished work of Christ

Jumbojax:
Paraphrasing cause you can't find the NLT version of it
Why don't you rest in the finished work of Christ

Paraphrase what? The finished work of Christ gives you liberty to sin? Lol.... All right. I wish you well. Last mention.

Gracefilled01:
Paraphrase what? The finished work of Christ gives you liberty to sin? Lol.... All right. I wish you well. Last mention.

Everybody sins everyday, and whoever says he doesn't is a liar.
Noone needs liberty to sin.

Gracefilled01:
Lol…They teach him to keep wallowing in sin that heaven is sure since there’s grace, God won’t mind if he sins or not

The very same thing serpent told Eve