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Op everyone trying to answer the question are all confused and they end up confusing themselves more.

BlaqJagz:
Op everyone trying to answer the question are all confused and they end up confusing themselves more.

You hiding your thoughts or something? We're all vibing here, learning from each other – if you've got a counterpoint, drop it, we're listening 🤧😊
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SpencerForbes:
You hiding your thoughts or something? We're all vibing here, learning from each other – if you've got a counterpoint, drop it, we're listening 🤧😊
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Nope, I'm good 👍🏾

BlaqJagz:
Op everyone trying to answer the question are all confused and they end up confusing themselves more.

Especially @SpencerForbes

RollinTNDA:
Especially @SpencerForbes

Lolz😂😂😂 okay RollinTNDA. I pray you get more clarity 🤧😊😁
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RollinTNDA:
So that means we don't have freewill if everything has been pre planned for us?

We do have limited freewill. You may choose to end your current life experience by killing yourself or By Disconnecting from God. The latter won't end well for you though. We are all Assigned different roles by God in this Earth, some of us are meant to Stand out, break free from societal conditioning, some of us are meant to stay boxed in. You can't go against your design unless you disconnect from God.

SkengRay:
We do have limited freewill. You may choose to end your current life experience by killing yourself or By Disconnecting from God. The latter won't end well for you though. We are all Assigned different roles by God in this Earth, some of us are meant to Stand out, break free from societal conditioning, some of us are meant to stay boxed in. You can't go against your design unless you disconnect from God.

Okay this is a brilliant way to see this.
By far the best explanation so far

RollinTNDA:
so basically life is a gamble. Anything you see take it like that.
Life hard normally and you see person wey them born with disfigured hand and leg.
Some born blind, abeg which law dey responsible for that one

A lot of laws. Some people are just ignorant.
I don't want my post to be too lengthy but lemme just give you a brief.

A friend of mine posted pregnancy scan results on Facebook. The wife was still pregnant and I chatted him up to take down the post but he was mad at me and called me superstitious.

About a month later the wife and the twin baby died while she was in delivery.

I have insisted that on no account should anyone know the scan results of my wife's pregnancy. Not even me.

God did not give you pregnancy and put in show glass.

Just do what you like sha. I personally believe life is about Laws and Principles.
There are physical laws and divine laws.

ChizzyBuna:
Ok which law makes a baby to be born an slowpoke struggling to walk and eat like others.
Like M C bakara daughter that lives in pain 24/7

Which law says the poor girl should suffer all her life

Which law is responsible for that?

I am not a medical practitioner so I may not be able to explain from a medical perspective but look at this.

After my wedding I went to see my sponsors to appreciate them and the first thing he warned was that should my wife fall sick onward, I should not give her any drugs most especially tetracycline. That, should there be any changes I should take her to go see her doctor. He went further to say that there are a lot drugs and contraceptives that damages fetus in the womb and sometimes lead to one form of disability.

The parents will not tell you. They may not even know.
Another angle to look at it from is that a lot of pregnant ladies usually go to quack native women who rub their womb and this may be another angle to that explanation. My mother did it so I will do likewise.

RollinTNDA:
so basically life is a gamble. Anything you see take it like that.
Life hard normally and you see person wey them born with disfigured hand and leg.
Some born blind, abeg which law dey responsible for that one

Of course, if you no wan take am like that, who you wan report give. Abi how you wan take reject am. Just live till you take your last breath. If you succeed good, if you don't still good cos whichever way you would not be the first or last to experience whatever you experience and life will continue.

Felimax:
I am not a medical practitioner so I may not be able to explain from a medical perspective but look at this.

After my wedding I went to see my sponsors to appreciate them and the first thing he warned was that should my wife fall sick onward, I should not give her any drugs most especially tetracycline. That, should there be any changes I should take her to go see her doctor. He went further to say that there are a lot drugs and contraceptives that damages fetus in the womb and sometimes lead to one form of disability.

The parents will not tell you. They may not even know.
Another angle to look at it from is that a lot of pregnant ladies usually go to quack native women who rub their womb and this may be another angle to that explanation. My mother did it so I will do likewise.

so because of. Mother carelessness innocent pikin go suffer for the rest of him life?

ChizzyBuna:
so because of. Mother carelessness innocent pikin go suffer for the rest of him life?

A lot of us suffer because of carelessness, stubbornness, arrogance, stupidity, pride, rudeness, stealing, crime, ignorance and most importantly FOOLISHNESS.

YES!

You don't want to blame the careless parents but you want to blame God. How pathetic!

You should not have gone to school to learn the ropes of life. Have you seen anyone born with the gift of knowing how to read and write without learning?

That will be my last comment!
Thanks.

I thought about this the other day,some people find things easy, while other people find it hard.

Felimax:
A lot of us suffer because of carelessness, stubbornness, arrogance, stupidity, pride, rudeness, stealing, crime, ignorance and most importantly FOOLISHNESS.

YES!

You don't want to blame the careless parents but you want to blame God. How pathetic!

You should not have gone to school to learn the ropes of life. Have you seen anyone born with the gift of knowing how to read and write without learning?

That will be my last comment!
Thanks.

that means you don't have free will.

You can be chilling outside and a reckless driver miss road and crush your 6 month daughter. Wetin you go do?

Your poor 6 months baby crushed to death
She had mo free will to avoid the disaster

SkengRay:
Well. The thing is We are all connected to God. God's energy Flows through us all even though 99% of Humans are not conscious of this. Our lives are being programmed by God, from the Day you were born a script has Already been written,God has Preplanned everything that's is meant to happen. You see certain things happen in life you think it's luck or misfortune but it's not coincidence.

pA to God i guess or at least angel michael.

Felimax:
The simple answer to that is Laws and Principles.

The Laws and Principles does not care if you know, Love or accept God.
Should you obey the laws of life and follow the principles you will almost derive at the same result.

On the flip side, there are energies and circumstances mitigating against our missions in life and you still need life principles to scale through it.

What about those that are born blind, deaf and dumb, cripple etc. what did they do to deserve that kind of life?

Some countries are bombing innocent children (one day old). What did those children did to deserve that kind of life. You are just making excuses for the wicked creators of this wicked world.

Antinatalism is the way to stop all these sufferings and rubbish.

SkengRay:
Well. The thing is We are all connected to God. God's energy Flows through us all even though 99% of Humans are not conscious of this. Our lives are being programmed by God, from the Day you were born a script has Already been written,God has Preplanned everything that's is meant to happen. You see certain things happen in life you think it's luck or misfortune but it's not coincidence.

Omo that God no try at all. He no just try.

Meedon:
What about those that are born blind, deaf and dumb, cripple etc. what did they do to deserve that kind of life?

Some countries are bombing innocent children (one day old). What did those children did to deserve that kind of life. You are just making excuses for the wicked creators of this wicked world.

I am not making any excuses.
Humans has every tendency to blame everyone but themselves. They will never look inward.

There are a lot of explanations to some of the calamities that befall us and in my own small sense it's not everything I can explain.

The truth is a lot of things happens.

I will throw you another quick story and I will try to be brief..
In Anglican Cathedral in Warri, a revelation was made to a man who has almost all his children born blind. The minister asked him several times if he will recall what he did but he could not until he asked him what he usually do to birds whenever he catches them. That was when the man started crying.

What was it? This man will catch these birds on so many occasions. He will blind them and leave them to fly away and will be laughing as he catches his fun.

A lot of things we do and we don't understand the mysteries behind them.
As a married person for example. Don't you dare go close to any of your ex no matter how good he or she may be. Flee!

Don't ever compromise bringing a lover to your matrimonial house.

A lot of things we take for granted and still want to live a peaceful life. No, it doesn't work that way.

You are a lecturer and you have this cravings for "sex for marks"...

I am done!

ChizzyBuna:
that means you don't have free will.

You can be chilling outside and a reckless driver miss road and crush your 6 month daughter. Wetin you go do?

Your poor 6 months baby crushed to death
She had mo free will to avoid the disaster

In my comments I said we have a lot of energies mitigating against our missions. Our joy, our happiness. These are natural energies we met in this life. We barely can do little or nothing about it.

Ok look at this.
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It was raining very heavily in Warri at Enerhen junction and a woman was selling by the road side.

Suddenly a man came and blew an alarm that he saw a baby falls into the gutter. The woman shouted that God forbid it's not her child and refused to pay attention to what the man was saying. The followed and brought the baby out behold it was the woman's child. Yes you will blame God why not?

God is actually the devil, right?


We know bad natural things happens but half the day they have spiritual undertones.

There is freewill but usage of your freewill has consequences good or bad.

ChizzyBuna:
so because of. Mother carelessness innocent pikin go suffer for the rest of him life?

No, go and take damaging drugs when you or your wife is pregnant so that when the child comes it will start damaging life.

Keep arguing!
Life will teach you hard lessons.

Thereedemer:
pA to God i guess or at least angel michael.

PA to God? Lol like I said we are all connected to God. God is not in some written scriptures.

Meedon:
Omo that God no try at all. He no just try.

Why do you say so?

SkengRay:
Why do you say so?

Too atrocities full this world, killings, maiming, rappoingg, innocent people tortured for years for the crime they don't commit, bandit, thuggery, snatching of ballots box, adultery, parents wickedness to children, children kpaing their parents for money to flex girlfriends, scamming, slave trade, burning innocent people alive, tsunami, hurricane killing thousands, humans maiming and killing animals for the fun of it, burning human at stake, terrorists bombing here and there. Many atrocities weh my eyes don see for internet and offline the make me sad always. God no just try at all for cresting this world.

And the worst part, they say after all these sufferings humans go still go hellfire to burn forever. Is this not wickedness?

Meedon:
Too atrocities full this world, killings, maiming, rappoingg, innocent people tortured for years for the crime they don't commit, bandit, thuggery, snatching of ballots box, adultery, parents wickedness to children, children kpaing their parents for money to flex girlfriends, scamming, slave trade, burning innocent people alive, tsunami, hurricane killing thousands, humans maiming and killing animals for the fun of it, burning human at stake, terrorists bombing here and there. Many atrocities weh my eyes don see for internet and offline the make me sad always. God no just try at all for cresting this world.

And the worst part, they say after all these sufferings humans go still go hellfire to burn forever. Is this not wickedness?

They world is based on Duality: Good and bad, light and darkness, creation and destruction, death and Rebirth all of these go along with one another and there is no way you can't separate one from the other because one can exist without the other, as a matter of fact there's no human on this earth that's totally good or bad we have this Duality too. All What's you've listed here are the Darkside of life. Now make a List of the Good side of life. Human going to Hell to burn? lol That's societal conditioning to keep people obedient and put the world in order.

SkengRay:
They world is based on Duality: Good and bad, light and darkness, creation and destruction, death and Rebirth all of these go along with one another and there is no way you can't separate one from the other because one can exist without the other, as a matter of fact there's no human on this earth that's totally good or bad we have this Duality too. All What's you've listed here are the Darkside of life. Now make a List of the Good side of life. Human going to Hell to burn? lol That's societal conditioning to keep people obedient and put the world in order.

And you lots enjoy it because you are not at the receiving end. You live in your mansion and enjoying life thinking it is same for others.

Dear OP, this is this the perfect answer to your question, according to the famous Greek Philosopher Epicurus...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"


Very simple and short for the logical minds

Meedon:
And you lots enjoy it because you are not at the receiving end. You live in your mansion and enjoying life thinking it is same for others.

Lol If I wasn't on the receiving end I wouldn't be able to see life with so much clarity. There's is no one on this earth that has it all perfectly, you will only see this if you see them clearly behind the mask they put on. Everyone will struggle in one area in life or the other.

SkengRay:
Lol If I wasn't on the receiving end I wouldn't be able to see life with so much clarity. There's is no one on this earth that has it all perfectly, you will only see this if you see them clearly behind the mask they put on. Everyone will struggle in one area in life or the other.

Well I understand now. Que sera sera

Meedon:
Well I understand now. Que sera sera

What will be must be 🤞🏾

Thought Provoking question from the OP.

Well I believe in life everything is predestined to happen , God has written the scripts of everyone and we are just acting out various roles that has been written.
There's no freewill , we are thought to believe that theres a free will but there's no such thing as a free will , if there were free wills the world wouldn't be what the world is today. It would be filled with more greed and evil than ever cause everyone would wants to show that they have power.

Everything is presdistned to happen , every human has a role to play , everything happens for a reason and nothing is random , and that's why I don't believe in coincidences. Everything is connected to a purpose like a book that's starts in a very good way can end badly, but when you start reading it you can't tell yet.
People that commit suicide has been predestined to commit suicide , it's written , if it wasn't written then that person wouldn't commit suicide. Every action we take or we don't take is written already and we are just acting out our roles.

I believe God has created every human for a purpose , God is a master designer and has created every human with a purpose In mind , remember nothing is random. Blind , deaf , dumb people are created by God for a purpose , and everyone of them acts their purpose. Some would be rich not because they understand the principles of money but because it's written that they would be rich.

Once upon a time I had a very loyal ,gentle and loving girlfriend, she was the best thing that has happened to me but I broke her heart and when I asked myself why I did that , I couldn't find a answer , then something whispered to me that exactly how it was written , no matter how I felt bad for breaking her heart it had to happen because it was connected to the script that has been written. It doesn't necessarily makes me a bad person.
It doesn't have to make sense to you but it's written.


Ask yourself this question , why can't I get everything that I want exactly the way I want ??
Reflect deep on this question and you would realise it's simply because you don't have any freewill. People are good and people are bad not because they decide to but because it's written.

The Yoruba Divination of IFA , how do you think IFA is able to give a 90 percent correct prediction about something?
It's simple. it's because your story has already been written, and IFA is able to read your story and tell you a chapter youve not gotten to. Simply because everything and everyones story has been written.

we don't have a freewill , we don't.
And just like I said God is a designer and poet , he writes according to his own understanding and will , the ways of God are not understandble to mankind and you can't understand his ways.
He is very unpredictable.

This is my belief , everyone is entitled to theirs.

ChizzyBuna:
Then what's the purpose of staying alive. If life is filled with turmoil and misery.
It's like running a race with your legs tied up

Op has a good though provoking question

Understand the game and you will realise it's not so complicated. Put your mind into what you want and really go at it with the understanding of the game and all goes as you want. But there's a lot of lies, man made to restrict the gullible ones so that they alone can exercise the knowledge and understanding of the game of life 😁