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pansophist:
Everyone here sees the game for what it is. If the US cares about Nigerian Christians, the right way would be to support Nigeria with intelligence, weapons and coordinate with the Nigerian government to end this threat.

Who then go ahead to share it with Fulani terrorists. There have been several episodes of Nigerian army personnel of Fulani extraction sharing info and weaponry with terrorists who raze down communities populated by Christians across northern Nigeria. Is that the people the US should cooperate with?

The right way is not to violate our sovereignty and just go throw bombs. This is what they accuse Russia for in Ukraine, and now, they want to do it elsewhere. The US can’t hide its mask anymore. The real reason for going into Nigeria (if they will ever go) is for geopolitical calculations and money. I suspect that Nigeria’s rare earth is the target, possible oil and other natural resources in the land. Christian massacre is just an excuse. There is no single country that got better after the US intervened militarily, not one, and Nigeria won’t be different. Just reading about this on social media and how lots of Nigerians welcome the move is just so sad, and showed that we actually love our chains.

Maybe these Nigerians who are against the US' intervention should have condemned the reckless slaughter of Christians. I ask: Did you condemn when Deborah Yakubu Samuel was caught, then butchered and roasted in Sokoto? How many times have you condemned the killings of Christians?

I don't get this geopolitical angle when actual people are killed. Their farmlands were razed and their houses destroyed. They try to fight back, only for the Nigerian army to seize their weapons (mostly rudimentary), and within a few minutes, Fulani terrorists go in to maim them. Is it the US army that made the Nigerian army seize weapons from farmers who try to defend themselves against terrorists?

Those who are against US's interference SHOULD have been at the forefront of the senseless murdering of Christians. They should have worked hard to stop Fulani terrorists from kidnapping people along roads in Kogi state. They should have fought terrorists who were butchering Northern Christians in Kachia, Zango Kataf and Kaura areas in Kaduna state. That is what those against the US should have done. I did it intensely from 2018 - 2021 and even severed a cordial relationship with a high-ranking professional. It would be hypocritical for me to now be against Trump's tweets.

As for rare earth minerals, yes, we have quite a lot. I saw a chart on Bloomberg, and Nigeria was the only African nation with substantial deposits of it. But why have northern politicians and elites kept mum when Christians were killed in their states? If you don't want US interference, you do everything possible to prevent it, and that means, stop aiding and abetting the butchering of Christians in your region.

Kaczynski:
that is utterly wrong , the west have been supportive in sharing intel with nigeria. in the recent years nigeria has been squashing bugs in drug trafficking thanks to cooperation between interpol, dea and ndlea. terrorism is an entire different ball game

russia is no different from the US , both has numerous agendas which may be or not beneficial


is south korea a joke to you ?


if you think bunch of yt men defending your land which you cant even do is the problem, then you are the problem.

The person you quoted is right and you are wrong. No further argument 🧏🏿‍♂️

Gerrard59:
Who then go ahead to share it with Fulani terrorists. There have been several episodes of Nigerian army personnel of Fulani extraction sharing info and weaponry with terrorists who raze down communities populated by Christians across northern Nigeria. Is that the people the US should cooperate with?


Maybe these Nigerians who are against the US' intervention should have condemned the reckless slaughter of Christians. I ask: Did you condemn when Deborah Yakubu Samuel was caught, then butchered and roasted in Sokoto? How many times have you condemned the killings of Christians?

I don't get this geopolitical angle when actual people are killed. Their farmlands were razed and their houses destroyed. They try to fight back, only for the Nigerian army to seize their weapons (mostly rudimentary), and within a few minutes, Fulani terrorists go in to maim them. Is it the US army that made the Nigerian army seize weapons from farmers who try to defend themselves against terrorists?

Those who are against US's interference SHOULD have been at the forefront of the senseless murdering of Christians. They should have worked hard to stop Fulani terrorists from kidnapping people along roads in Kogi state. They should have fought terrorists who were butchering Northern Christians in Kachia, Zango Kataf and Kaura areas in Kaduna state. That is what those against the US should have done. I did it intensely from 2018 - 2021 and even severed a cordial relationship with a high-ranking professional. It would be hypocritical for me to now be against Trump's tweets.

As for rare earth minerals, yes, we have quite a lot. I saw a chart on Bloomberg, and Nigeria was the only African nation with substantial deposits of it. But why have northern politicians and elites kept mum when Christians were killed in their states? If you don't want US interference, you do everything possible to prevent it, and that means, stop aiding and abetting the butchering of Christians in your region.

Your questions about my condemnation of the killings of Deborah and christians are unnecessary. Even if I condemned the killings (or didn't condemn), what difference does it makes?

You are asking a rather irrelevant questions that have no bearing on anything. The crux here is not virtue signalling (if I condemn or not), but about legality and the how sovereign states interact with themselves within the framework of the UN (article 2(4) of UN charter).

Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is a foundational principle of diplomatic relationship that all countries must abide by before they recognise each others as sovereign countries.

It is this same principle that makes the US refrain from invading China after their bogus claim of Uyghur genocide, or Tibet independence. The only difference between Nigeria and China is that China is strong and Nigeria is weak.

The US have drug problems, high gangsterism and gun violence that have killed more people than those dying in Ukraine annually, should Chinese government go conduct strike in the US?

If the answer is NO, then why should the US conduct strike in Nigeria?

If you endorse US in their quest to conduct military actions in Nigeria, then you have opened a very dangerous precendent that will make the world less peaceful. Any tyrant can just wake up one day, create a bogus claim and use it as a pretext to invade a weaker country.

The world will effectively become a jungle where the strong oppress the weak.

I ask, is the killings a recent thing? name just one country the US has invaded that got better. Does Libya ring anything to you? What about Iraq, Afghanistan?

I mean I consider you to be geopolitical savvy, and quite shock that you are endorsing a military action from the US from an imperial hegemon with a legacy of global destruction.

If the US really want change in the most sincere form, then it would be sanctioning the Nigerian military aparatus, sanctioning all the corrupt politicians directly (like they did with Putin), share intelligence with oversight from the UN, and so much more.

A direct military actions in Nigeria is not a solution and there is no justification for that. AT ALL.

It doesn't matter if Nigeria is corrupt. There are internationally agreed methods to handle situations like this, and only when the UN agreed on an intervention that it can be legally justified, not unilaterally.

pansophist:
Your questions about my condemnation of the killings of Deborah and christians are unnecessary. Even if I condemned the killings (or didn't condemn), what difference does it makes?

You are asking a rather irrelevant questions that have no bearing on anything. The crux here is not virtue signalling (if I condemn or not), but about legality and the how sovereign states interact with themselves within the framework of the UN (article 2(4) of UN charter).

Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is a foundational principle of diplomatic relationship that all countries must abide by before they recognise each others as sovereign countries.

It is this same principle that makes the US refrain from invading China after their bogus claim of Uyghur genocide, or Tibet independence. The only difference between Nigeria and China is that China is strong and Nigeria is weak.

The US have drug problems, high gangsterism and gun violence that have killed more people than those dying in Ukraine annually, should Chinese government go conduct strike in the US?

If the answer is NO, then why should the US conduct strike in Nigeria?

If you endorse US in their quest to conduct military actions in Nigeria, then you have opened a very dangerous precendent that will make the world less peaceful. Any tyrant can just wake up one day, create a bogus claim and use it as a pretext to invade a weaker country.

The world will effectively become a jungle where the strong oppress the weak.

I ask, is the killings a recent thing? name just one country the US has invaded that got better. Does Libya ring anything to you? What about Iraq, Afghanistan?

I mean I consider you to be geopolitical savvy, and quite shock that you are endorsing a military action from the US from an imperial hegemon with a legacy of global destruction.

If the US really want change in the most sincere form, then it would be sanctioning the Nigerian military aparatus, sanctioning all the corrupt politicians directly (like they did with Putin), share intelligence with oversight from the UN, and so much more.

A direct military actions in Nigeria is not a solution and there is no justification for that. AT ALL.

It doesn't matter if Nigeria is corrupt. There are internationally agreed methods to handle situations like this, and only when the UN agreed on an intervention that it can be legally justified, not unilaterally.

It's shocking the way they throw caution to the wind, using uncouth words and asking worthless questions even against those they've always got along well with since this news broke!

It's more shocking that the same people whom, until a few days ago lampooned the US for trying to do to Venezuela, what they're trying to do to us now!

What changed?
Ethnoreligious hate!
All of a sudden, Trump is welcome to Libyalize Nigeria.

The past few days have brought people out of their closets and showed us who they really are.

pansophist:
Your questions about my condemnation of the killings of Deborah and christians are unnecessary. Even if I condemned the killings (or didn't condemn), what difference does it makes? You are asking a rather irrelevant questions that have no bearing on anything. The crux here is not virtue signalling (if I condemn or not), but about legality and the how sovereign states interact with themselves within the framework of the UN (article 2(4) of UN charter). Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is a foundational principle of diplomatic relationship that all countries must abide by before they recognise each others as sovereign countries. It is this same principle that makes the US refrain from invading China after their bogus claim of Uyghur genocide, or Tibet independence. The only difference between Nigeria and China is that China is strong and Nigeria is weak. The US have drug problems, high gangsterism and gun violence that have killed more people than those dying in Ukraine annually, should Chinese government go conduct strike in the US? If the answer is NO, then why should the US conduct strike in Nigeria?

If you endorse US in their quest to conduct military actions in Nigeria, then you have opened a very dangerous precendent that will make the world less peaceful. Any tyrant can just wake up one day, create a bogus claim and use it as a pretext to invade a weaker country.

The world will effectively become a jungle where the strong oppress the weak.

I ask, is the killings a recent thing? name just one country the US has invaded that got better. Does Libya ring anything to you? What about Iraq, Afghanistan?

I mean I consider you to be geopolitical savvy, and quite shock that you are endorsing a military action from the US from an imperial hegemon with a legacy of global destruction.

If the US really want change in the most sincere form, then it would be sanctioning the Nigerian military aparatus, sanctioning all the corrupt politicians directly (like they did with Putin), share intelligence with oversight from the UN, and so much more.

A direct military actions in Nigeria is not a solution and there is no justification for that. AT ALL.

It doesn't matter if Nigeria is corrupt. There are internationally agreed methods to handle situations like this, and only when the UN agreed on an intervention that it can be legally justified, not unilaterally.

Gerrard59:
While I don't support America's militarily incursion on Nigerian soil, the truth is: Nigerian elites and their supporters caused everything by their ineptitude towards tackling the Boko Haram and Fulani terrorists attacks throughout the country, especially those targeted at Christians.

These attacks didn't just start today, but worsened under the ineffectual Fulani warlord named Buhari.

We wouldn't be here if northern elites condemned the brutal and relentless slaughtering of Christians throughout their region. I care less about Sharia, provided it is not applied to non-Muslims, but just stop the reckless butchering. It is really that simple. Nigerians from all ethnicities and religions would have supported the presidency if there had been concrete efforts in tackling the issue. Look at how South Africans backed their president. If the US wants to invade Nigeria (which none has stated), unfortunately, there is nothing anyone can do about it. However, northern elites have ALL the power to stop the killings tide. They do. That is where their power should have been applied.

Honestly, I wouldn't want the US to put troops on the ground (which I don't think they would do anyway), but why have northern elites kept mum when Christians (indigenous o) are being killed across their region? See the ineptitude towards the incursion in Kwara State? Why not condemn everything in its entirety? Why not catch and persecute those responsible? Why integrate Boko Haram members into the Nigerian army? The same army you want the US to share info with. C'mon! Man, how does this even sound to you? You must really trust the Nigerian army so much.

Since we know the US has sinister moves, why make it so easy for them by aiding and abetting Fulani terrorists throughout the region? Why make it easier for your foe?

pansophist:
Your questions about my condemnation of the killings of Deborah and christians are unnecessary. Even if I condemned the killings (or didn't condemn), what difference does it makes?

You are asking a rather irrelevant questions that have no bearing on anything. The crux here is not virtue signalling (if I condemn or not), but about legality and the how sovereign states interact with themselves within the framework of the UN (article 2(4) of UN charter).

Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is a foundational principle of diplomatic relationship that all countries must abide by before they recognise each others as sovereign countries.

It is this same principle that makes the US refrain from invading China after their bogus claim of Uyghur genocide, or Tibet independence. The only difference between Nigeria and China is that China is strong and Nigeria is weak.

The US have drug problems, high gangsterism and gun violence that have killed more people than those dying in Ukraine annually, should Chinese government go conduct strike in the US?

If the answer is NO, then why should the US conduct strike in Nigeria?

If you endorse US in their quest to conduct military actions in Nigeria, then you have opened a very dangerous precendent that will make the world less peaceful. Any tyrant can just wake up one day, create a bogus claim and use it as a pretext to invade a weaker country.

The world will effectively become a jungle where the strong oppress the weak.

I ask, is the killings a recent thing? name just one country the US has invaded that got better. Does Libya ring anything to you? What about Iraq, Afghanistan?

I mean I consider you to be geopolitical savvy, and quite shock that you are endorsing a military action from the US from an imperial hegemon with a legacy of global destruction.

If the US really want change in the most sincere form, then it would be sanctioning the Nigerian military aparatus, sanctioning all the corrupt politicians directly (like they did with Putin), share intelligence with oversight from the UN, and so much more.

A direct military actions in Nigeria is not a solution and there is no justification for that. AT ALL.

It doesn't matter if Nigeria is corrupt. There are internationally agreed methods to handle situations like this, and only when the UN agreed on an intervention that it can be legally justified, not unilaterally.

So what is the solution to the insecurities, killings and genocide happening in Nigeria ?

We all know that Nigeria government, the military and the intelligence agencies has infiltrated by terrorists, jihadist and their sympathetizers. We all see how Buhari pardoned members of boko haram and reintegrated them back in the military. How do you want insecurities to end ? A country that is holding peace talks with terrorists and rehabilitating them back to the society ? That's country is a failed country and foreign power will intervene in such country. This is where Nigeria is now.

If you go to NC, NW, NE. There is war going on there. Men , women and children are being killed and slaughtered. Homes and houses are been burnt by jihadist while Nigeria government is doing nothing. That we stay in Lagos , Abuja or any safe states does not mean that the whole Nigeria is safe.

The main point is that Nigeria government is not willing to end the killing not now, today or tomorrow. So are we going to just sit down and let thousand of people continue to be killed while nothing is done ?

If Nigeria government fails to do her job, then a foreign power has to intervene to stop the killing and genocide.

It was done in Defunct Yugoslavia when the serbs were committing genocide and killing other ethnicities. US has to intervene to stop the bloodshed which leads to division and balkanization of Yugoslavia. Since that day till now. Peace has return to that region.

If that's will happen in Nigeria to stop the killing. Then for me. It is welcome. Hi

pansophist:
Your questions about my condemnation of the killings of Deborah and christians are unnecessary. Even if I condemned the killings (or didn't condemn), what difference does it makes?

it makes a difference?

or what difference do you think our comments on this thread about multipolarity make on the global stage?

what is wrong is wrong.
what is right is right.
evil flourishes when good men do nothing.

you don't think condemning the extrajudicial killing of a Nigerian makes a difference but you want to wax lyrical about the death of foreigners.

A direct military actions in Nigeria is not a solution and there is no justification for that. AT ALL.

here is where I firmly DISAGREE with you.

let me reiterate the implication of that statement.
you are effectively saying that all christians in the North could be killed and there will be no justification for military action in Nigeria.

that is PREMIUM BULLSH*T!

You are asking a rather irrelevant questions that have no bearing on anything. The crux here is not virtue signalling (if I condemn or not), but about legality and the how sovereign states interact with themselves within the framework of the UN (article 2(4) of UN charter).

Respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity is a foundational principle of diplomatic relationship that all countries must abide by before they recognise each others as sovereign countries.

It is this same principle that makes the US refrain from invading China after their bogus claim of Uyghur genocide, or Tibet independence. The only difference between Nigeria and China is that China is strong and Nigeria is weak.

The US have drug problems, high gangsterism and gun violence that have killed more people than those dying in Ukraine annually, should Chinese government go conduct strike in the US?

If the answer is NO, then why should the US conduct strike in Nigeria?

If you endorse US in their quest to conduct military actions in Nigeria, then you have opened a very dangerous precendent that will make the world less peaceful. Any tyrant can just wake up one day, create a bogus claim and use it as a pretext to invade a weaker country.

The world will effectively become a jungle where the strong oppress the weak.

I ask, is the killings a recent thing? name just one country the US has invaded that got better. Does Libya ring anything to you? What about Iraq, Afghanistan?

I mean I consider you to be geopolitical savvy, and quite shock that you are endorsing a military action from the US from an imperial hegemon with a legacy of global destruction.

If the US really want change in the most sincere form, then it would be sanctioning the Nigerian military aparatus, sanctioning all the corrupt politicians directly (like they did with Putin), share intelligence with oversight from the UN, and so much more.

It doesn't matter if Nigeria is corrupt. There are internationally agreed methods to handle situations like this, and only when the UN agreed on an intervention that it can be legally justified, not unilaterally.

the funny thing about this part of your write up is that you are in favor of Putin unilaterally intervening in Ukraine to stop the killings in the Donbass.

he did not wait for the UN.

as we speak, the RSF is digging mass graves in El Fasher to cover up their massacre of more than 2,000 people.
no UN intervention.

you want to list the failures of US intervention.
should we list the failures of the UN?
since the US established a presence in Iraq and Syrian kurdistan, how many Kurdish civilians have been killed by rampaging islamists?
since Iran sent its advisers and weapons and intervened in Iraq through the PMF, how many Iraqi shias and christians have been murdered.

here's the deal:
charity begins at home.
you cannot blithely handwave the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen but want us to give a sh*t about foreigners.
it is people that are alive that can reap the benefits of multipolarity.

don't you ever compare the CCP to the ethnosupremacist bastards we have in Nigeria.
there has been no terrorist attack in Xinjiang in more than a decade.
let me repeat that, islamist terorists are neither killing han chinese nor uighur muslims in Xinjiang.
china nipped that rubbish in the bud early on and the economy of xinjiang is prospering as a result.
no one is murdering jews and christians in iran.
no one is murdering muslims in russia.

we saw what putin did in grozny.
putin does not coddle islamist terrorists.
yet you want us to tolerate more deaths under people who are drafting so called "repentant" terrorists into the military against the wishes of the rank and file.
we should wait for the UN that could not stop the genocide in Gaza or grant Palestine a state after 150 countries recognized it.

we agree on 90% of things. and that's more than most people do.
but on this, let's just say, i am not playing that waiting game.
the lives of Nigerians are just as important as those of Russians, Chinese, or Iranians.

we should wait for the blue helmets while 5000+ Christians die every year.
we should wait for the same deeply flawed global institutions that need reform.
count me out of that methuselah patience.

-Lord

motayoayinde:
It's shocking the way they throw caution to the wind, using uncouth words and asking worthless questions even against those they've always got along well with since this news broke!

It's more shocking that the same people whom, until a few days ago lampooned the US for trying to do to Venezuela, what they're trying to do to us now!

What changed?
Ethnoreligious hate!
All of a sudden, Trump is welcome to Libyalize Nigeria.

The past few days have brought people out of their closets and showed us who they really are.

it is funny how there is ethnoreligious hate amongst southerners and yet 5,000+ muslims are not murdered in the south every year.
meanwhile the ethnoreligious love you have for christians made you stay quiet while the killers of deborah roam freely.

multipolarity will favor both the christians and muslims in Nigeria.
stopping the genocide in Palestine is a moral imperative.
but on no account and for no reason under the sun will 5,000+ christians be killed annually and you'd expect smiles and handshakes.

a pidgin proverb goes, "na when you kpai mad man you go know say mad people get family members too".

-Lord

LordAdam16:
it is funny how there is ethnoreligious hate amongst southerners and yet 5,000+ muslims are not murdered in the south every year.
meanwhile the ethnoreligious love you have for christians made you stay quiet while the killers of deborah roam freely.

multipolarity will favor both the christians and muslims in Nigeria.
stopping the genocide in Palestine is a moral imperative.
but on no account and for no reason under the sun will 5,000+ christians be killed annually and you'd expect smiles and handshakes.

a pidgin proverb goes, "na when you kpai mad man you go know say mad people get family members too".

-Lord

Your claim that the killing of Deborah wasn't condemned is FALSE.
The leader of Muslims in Nigeria, The Sultan of Sokoto was unequivocal in his condemnation.
See here: https://share.google/GJy4Jy4NqK8CidJfz

The reason Deborah's killers still roam free is the same reason the Anambra killers of Harira Jubril and her 4 young daughters are yet to be apprehended, its a general failure of security and Justice system WE ALL suffer from!

Your 5000+ figure is as fictitious as those being bandied around by your kind for days now without any proof.
Not denying the killing of Christians in the north, far from it, but that figure probably represents the number of Muslims of especially Zamfara and Katsina who have lived under the occupation of bandits and terrorists for years without help from anywhere until their governors had to make humiliating peace deals with bandits just so they could have a semblance of normalcy. For these people, life under the terrorists became the norm for about a decade.

In what way does the above represent targeted killing of Christians let alone genocide?

motayoayinde:
Your claim that the killing of Deborah wasn't condemned is FALSE.
The leader of Muslims in Nigeria, The Sultan of Sokoto was unequivocal in his condemnation.
See here: https://share.google/GJy4Jy4NqK8CidJfz

The reason Deborah's killers still roam free is the same reason the Anambra killers of Harira Jubril and her 4 young daughters are yet to be apprehended, its a general failure of security and Justice system WE ALL suffer from!

Your 5000+ figure is as fictitious as those being bandied around by your kind for days now without any proof.
Not denying the killing of Christians in the north, far from it, but that figure probably represents the number of Muslims of especially Zamfara and Katsina who have lived under the occupation of bandits and terrorists for years without help from anywhere until their governors had to make humiliating peace deals with bandits just so they could have a semblance of normalcy. For these people, life under the terrorists became the norm for about a decade.

In what way does the above represent targeted killing of Christians let alone genocide?

ayo, it's perfect that you accept that christians are being killed in the north.
i should inform you though that i did not come to this life to count coffins.
so i do not care about the accurate number. if it is 100, 5,000, 100,000 or 1 million.
one is already too many. entire christian villages have been sacked. that happening once is already scandalous.

when y'all tell us that the terrorists kill muslims too, it does not pacify us.
the internal monologue we have is this:

so let me get this straight, you are incapable of securing the lives of northern muslims like you from roving scum, and the killers are coddled. how on earth do you expect us to entrust the safety of christians that are also being killed to you.

this is why we are okay with external intervention.
because by your own admission, you are incapable of ending the menace. and that's not the worst part of it, you are willing to condone more killings of christians and muslims alike rather than have an external intervention end the scourge.

this is ultimately the reason why our ethnoreligious cultures are like oil and water.
we see a problem, we see you accept you cannot fix it and you're flailing about for years turning into decades, we say okay it is time for the big guns to roll in.
you see the same problem, you accept you cannot fix it and you're flailing about for years turning into decades, but you still do not want external intervention. in fact, you believe anyone who is sick of the scourge and wants intervention hates you.

that's not a typo. wanting to end the killings of christians is ethnoreligious hate.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
ayo, it's perfect that you accept that christians are being killed in the north.
i should inform you though that i did not come to this life to count coffins.
so i do not care about the accurate number. if it is 100, 5,000, 100,000 or 1 million.
one is already too many. entire christian villages have been sacked. that happening once is already scandalous.

when y'all tell us that the terrorists kill muslims too, it does not pacify us.
the internal monologue we have is this:

so let me get this straight, you are incapable of securing the lives of northern muslims like you from roving scum, and the killers are coddled. how on earth do you expect us to entrust the safety of christians that are also being killed to you.


this is why we are okay with external intervention.
because by your own admission, you are incapable of ending the menace. and that's not the worst part of it, you are willing to condone more killings of christians and muslims alike rather than have an external intervention end the scourge.

this is ultimately the reason why our ethnoreligious cultures are like oil and water.
we see a problem, we see you accept you cannot fix it and you're flailing about for years turning into decades, we say okay it is time for the big guns to roll in.
you see the same problem, you accept you cannot fix it and you're flailing about for years turning into decades, but you still do not want external intervention. in fact, you believe anyone who is sick of the scourge and wants intervention hates you.

that's not a typo. wanting to end the killings of christians is ethnoreligious hate.

-Lord

You seem quite creative at conjuring up outlandish conclusions from simple, straightforward conversations.
How did you arrive at the bolded after I said Muslims and Christians are being killed and that didn't amount to genocide against Christians

How can anyone not want peace and prosperity for his country and people after so much suffering?
By all means, we'd gladly welcome any well-intentioned interventions from friendly countries without a history of murder and plunder.

Russia and Iran came through for Syria and Iraq to battle ISIS terrorists to a hilt, aiding with weapons and military advisors.
What did America do? To undo all the hardwork and sacrifice made by those countries, handing Syria back to an ISIS kingpin!

The same America is the entity you're trusting to Roll in the big guns to Libyalize and Syrialize us all. HELL NO!
We are'nt saying America is coming "to Kill, to steal and to destroy" just because we hate them, we are saying that because it's all they've done to weak and resource-rich countries where they've intervened. In 2025, Venezuela and our dear country seem to be next.

Is our situation desperate? YES.
Are our corrupt leaders to, blame? YES.
Should we out of desperation, frustration and hate hand our country to well-known plunderers and killers? Again, HELL NO!

LordAdam16:
ayo, it's perfect that you accept that christians are being killed in the north.
i should inform you though that i did not come to this life to count coffins.
so i do not care about the accurate number. if it is 100, 5,000, 100,000 or 1 million.
one is already too many. entire christian villages have been sacked. that happening once is already scandalous.

when y'all tell us that the terrorists kill muslims too, it does not pacify us.
the internal monologue we have is this:

so let me get this straight, you are incapable of securing the lives of northern muslims like you from roving scum, and the killers are coddled. how on earth do you expect us to entrust the safety of christians that are also being killed to you.

this is why we are okay with external intervention.
because by your own admission, you are incapable of ending the menace. and that's not the worst part of it, you are willing to condone more killings of christians and muslims alike rather than have an external intervention end the scourge.

this is ultimately the reason why our ethnoreligious cultures are like oil and water.
we see a problem, we see you accept you cannot fix it and you're flailing about for years turning into decades, we say okay it is time for the big guns to roll in.
you see the same problem, you accept you cannot fix it and you're flailing about for years turning into decades, but you still do not want external intervention. in fact, you believe anyone who is sick of the scourge and wants intervention hates you.

that's not a typo. wanting to end the killings of christians is ethnoreligious hate.

-Lord

That is my annoyance with the whole issue. The people who are against the US involvement NEVER proposed solutions to the killings of Christians and even Muslims alike. The belief that because Muslims are killed, then Christians should be mute does not make sense. As Muslims are killed, Muslims should call for government intervention.

We have had (and still have) Christian communities razed, their businesses destroyed, churches burnt to the ground, pregnant women slaughtered and their yet-to-be-born babies, Lord, YET TO BE BORN aka wetin dey belly never mature are removed and further butchered. These people have wailed tirelessly for a decade, yet the naysayers KEPT MUTE! They were silent when all this happened.

Why are they against the US intervention?

It is not just ethnic cleansing, but outright wickedness, especially from lovey-dovey folks who sit their smelly yansh in London, Lagos and elsewhere other than the epicentre pontificating nonsense and ingredients! I have conversed with Northern Christians, and their responses are so sorrowful. They just don't know what else to do.

The same people against US' intervention did not say anything when the rudimentary weapons of these Christians were seized by the Nigerian army, the same army they want the US to cooperate with. We have had, and I have read it, of the Nigerian army seizing weapons from these farmers, only for Fulani jihadists to immediately enter the community and kill everyone. Was it and is it Donald Trump who told the Nigerian army to seize the weapons of people who are to defend themselves? Why haven't these people condemned such acts?

Gerrard59:
This article by an assistant professor at Cambridge University summarises the growth of China and how it benefits the world.

See here: https://www.theglobalcurrents.com/p/embracing-chinas-economic-rise?r=5jvrbk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Towards the end, he writes with supporting evidence how China's rise has aided developing countries in the Global South, especially African nations. Furthermore, he stated (with evidence) how China has never seized, sanctioned or used severe penalties to usurp loans or investments across the continent. He also stated that American companies and consumers have benefited immensely from doing business in and with China.

There is nothing that he has written that I have not written. The rise of China has benefited everyone across the world, and as he ended, what benefits the Chinese people would benefit the rest of the world because China has 17% of the world's population.

When I first came across his tweets, especially as they are "pro-China" whereas he is a prof at an acclaimed Western institution, I thought he was funded by Chinese think-tanks or related bodies. Apparently, he is not funded by Chinese institutions or people, as it would have been uncovered.

Nevertheless, to read such a strong defence of China from a Westerner (Jostein Hauge) in an elite university is refreshing.

His Twitter account: https://x.com/haugejostein

This guy

I have actually met him in person
Very passionate man

But not very liked by some other professors...
Dr Wang often says he doesn't have a clue what he talking bout but I am more in the middle

Nigerians with what is going on is shameful

We cant even stand for one thing (that the insecurity is bad and wrong) the govt is failing in addressing them; and that foreign intervention should be very scrutinised if at all considered


We have one side running their mouths about how USA should come here and burn the ground

And the other gaslighting the country that "not only Christians are killed" and no such thing as "genocide"

Shameful country men

And when the rest of the world look down on you jokers , una go dey cry

Unserious ppl

Gerrard59:
That is my annoyance with the whole issue. The people who are against the US involvement NEVER proposed solutions to the killings of Christians and even Muslims alike. The belief that because Muslims are killed, then Christians should be mute does not make sense. As Muslims are killed, Muslims should call for government intervention.

We have had (and still have) Christian communities razed, their businesses destroyed, churches burnt to the ground, pregnant women slaughtered and their yet-to-be-born babies, Lord, YET TO BE BORN aka wetin dey belly never mature are removed and further butchered. These people have wailed tirelessly for a decade, yet the naysayers KEPT MUTE! They were silent when all this happened.

Why are they against the US intervention?

It is not just ethnic cleansing, but outright wickedness, especially from lovey-dovey folks who sit their smelly yansh in London, Lagos and elsewhere other than the epicentre pontificating nonsense and ingredients! I have conversed with Northern Christians, and their responses are so sorrowful. They just don't know what else to do.

The same people against US' intervention did not say anything when the rudimentary weapons of these Christians were seized by the Nigerian army, the same army they want the US to cooperate with. We have had, and I have read it, of the Nigerian army seizing weapons from these farmers, only for Fulani jihadists to immediately enter the community and kill everyone. Was it and is it Donald Trump who told the Nigerian army to seize the weapons of people who are to defend themselves? Why haven't these people condemned such acts?

So you are for the USA intervention ?

Gaddemit.

To me, im.glad that Trump is putting fire on their ass and causing chaos within their ranks

What i would have preferred was to give the govt a timeline to better HANDLE THIS MESS or .....

Only Nigerian to be honest can solve this problem.

And on a side note

The northern elite should be ashamed of themselves for their complicity

The Christian bodies and big men "of God" should be ashamed of themselves

The affluent in Nigeria should be ashamed for themselves

The level of killing in Nigeria is inconceivable i
here in the UK.

Imagine even 10 people being killed by a group in faraway Cornwall? or Warrington

There will be uproar in the country

But in Nigeria
people are dying like rats

And the extremist Muslims are quiet
the charlatan elite is quiet

Shame

RodgersAkpafu:
So you are for the USA intervention ?

Gaddemit.

No. I am not in favour of US intervention. However, I greatly appreciate their call-outs, as the situation has deteriorated beyond normal levels.

To me, im.glad that Trump is putting fire on their ass and causing chaos within their ranks. What i would have preferred was to give the govt a timeline to better HANDLE THIS MESS or .....

Yes, we are on the same page. Their silence has been too horrible and way too bad.

Nothing like giving them a timeline. This is not the first time we have had these killings. There have been such killings in Kaduna, Plateau, Benue etc. There is no excuse. Our elites have been too incompetent, no ifs or buts.

Only Nigerian to be honest can solve this problem.

The problem with Nigeria is that it is a country of many ethnic nations. That is why many are dishonest about the whole issue.

The northern elite should be ashamed of themselves for their complicity

THANK YOU A society is a reflection of the quality of its elites. That has been my observation and personal analysis of different societies. Northern elites have ALL THE POWER to stop everything. It is within their power. They blatantly refused to stop it. How people, supposedly educated, are dodging calling out Northern elites but heaping the blame on Trump and the rest of the GOP is mind-boggling.

The Christian bodies and big men "of God" should be ashamed of themselves

These ones no be am. I am surprised many are noticing them now. I did it way before David Hundeyin released his documentary on the genocide of Northern Christians. People were butchered in Benue in the most despicable and inhumane manner in Buhari's first tenure, and apart from Oyedepo, NO MEGACHURCH PASTOR in Southern Nigeria condemned the reckless murders of these Christians. I wondered why pastors in one part of the country, way too influential and affluent, would be mum when Christians in another part are slaughtered for their faith. The silence was disheartening and painful. It contributed to my less religious nature. I realised that the ogbonic criminals we've as mEn oF gOd no be am.

The affluent in Nigeria should be ashamed for themselves

See the note about Nigeria being a country of many ethnic nations. See how Ghanaian elites tackled the incursion of Fulani herdsmen into their territory? That is how elites are judged. If we say, as David Hundeyin claims, that the US-led West is behind the carnage so they invade and scuttle our economic growth, what stops our elites from tackling the issue head-on? Is it Trump who instructed the Local Government Chairman of Funtua to visit so-called bandits?

How and why we cannot take full responsibility for our actions puzzles me.

The level of killing in Nigeria is inconceivable in here in the UK. Imagine even 10 people being killed by a group in faraway Cornwall? or Warrington. There will be uproar in the country. But in Nigeria people are dying like rats

Sometimes, I think it is the diabolical ogbonic group they join that makes them so detached from ordinary people's sufferings, even when their own people are affected. No elite from Kwara is saying anything. It was the same issue I was pressing on when there was unimaginable carnage in Imo state. Why and how would the elite be so quiet when their state is destroyed? The same issue with soot in Port-harcourt. We have unintelligent elites!

And the extremist Muslims are quiet
the charlatan elite is quiet

Shame

The mistake we've here is that you expect most Nigerians to have shame. The majority of Nigerians are sham.eless. Let's forget the expensive dress, cars and parties we throw. Our people don't have an atom of shame.

Tomorrow, these are the same people who try to measure themselves to the White and East Asian man.

motayoayinde:
You seem quite creative at conjuring up outlandish conclusions from simple, straightforward conversations.
How did you arrive at the bolded after I said Muslims and Christians are being killed and that didn't amount to genocide against Christians

How can anyone not want peace and prosperity for his country and people after so much suffering?
By all means, we'd gladly welcome any well-intentioned interventions from friendly countries without a history of murder and plunder.

Russia and Iran came through for Syria and Iraq to battle ISIS terrorists to a hilt, aiding with weapons and military advisors.
What did America do? To undo all the hardwork and sacrifice made by those countries and handing Syria back to an ISIS kingpin!

The same America is the entity you're trusting to Roll in the big guns to Libyalize and Syrialize us all. HELL NO!
We are'nt saying America is coming "to Kill, to steal and to destroy" just because we hate them, we are saying that because it's all they've done to weak and resource-rich countries where they've intervened. In 2025, Venezuela and our dear country seem to be next.

Is our situation desperate? YES.
Are our corrupt leaders to, blame? YES.
Should we out of desperation, frustration and hate hand our country to well-known plunderers and killers? Again, HELL NO!

anyone with a positive iq can perform deductive reasoning.
when you consider intervention ethnoreligious hate, then you are fully onboard with the status quo, which is the the continued killings of christians (and muslims).

the hegemony and the axis were partners in eradicating isis in iraq and syria.
do not push an alternate reality that did not happen.

when the war on terror started, the axis and hegemony also partnered.
till date, all axis and hegemony countries will forward warnings of impending terrorist attacks that they are privy to.
everyone on the planet has a red line.

the russians are in the sahel fighting terrorism.
i have no issue with the americans joining the war effort.
if the chinese and iranians come, even better. the more the merrier.

but what we would not have is to do nothing while this scourge gets worse worse year after year.
because in time to come they will saturate the north and start wiping out southern communities.
and then their enablers like you will be telling us to stop complaining and asking for an intervention because they also wiped out northern communities.

we know your endgame and to hell with that.
a stitch in time saves nine.

-Lord

Gerrard59:
That is my annoyance with the whole issue. The people who are against the US involvement NEVER proposed solutions to the killings of Christians and even Muslims alike. The belief that because Muslims are killed, then Christians should be mute does not make sense. As Muslims are killed, Muslims should call for government intervention.

We have had (and still have) Christian communities razed, their businesses destroyed, churches burnt to the ground, pregnant women slaughtered and their yet-to-be-born babies, Lord, YET TO BE BORN aka wetin dey belly never mature are removed and further butchered. These people have wailed tirelessly for a decade, yet the naysayers KEPT MUTE! They were silent when all this happened.

Why are they against the US intervention?

It is not just ethnic cleansing, but outright wickedness, especially from lovey-dovey folks who sit their smelly yansh in London, Lagos and elsewhere other than the epicentre pontificating nonsense and ingredients! I have conversed with Northern Christians, and their responses are so sorrowful. They just don't know what else to do.

The same people against US' intervention did not say anything when the rudimentary weapons of these Christians were seized by the Nigerian army, the same army they want the US to cooperate with. We have had, and I have read it, of the Nigerian army seizing weapons from these farmers, only for Fulani jihadists to immediately enter the community and kill everyone. Was it and is it Donald Trump who told the Nigerian army to seize the weapons of people who are to defend themselves? Why haven't these people condemned such acts?

it is because their plan is progressing beautifully.
when the christian communities are wiped out in the north, where next will the terrorists go?
the south.

and the entire time they will be telling us to bury our dead and wait to be next after all communities in the north were also wiped out.
if communities in the south and the north are both getting wiped out, what is the fuss?
no one is targeting only christians in the south. they are also killing christians and muslims in the north.

anyone who tells you no to intervention knows that is what is coming and are not just okay but already practicing the lines they will use to justify it.
they can all tell us how bad the americans will be but their brains go on break when it is time to consider how bad it will get here with the continued inaction.

we are dealing with a strain of evil that will make satan recoil in shock.

-Lord

RodgersAkpafu:
Nigerians with what is going on is shameful

We cant even stand for one thing (that the insecurity is bad and wrong) the govt is failing in addressing them; and that foreign intervention should be very scrutinised if at all considered


We have one side running their mouths about how USA should come here and burn the ground

And the other gaslighting the country that "not only Christians are killed" and no such thing as "genocide"

Shameful country men

And when the rest of the world look down on you jokers , una go dey cry

Unserious ppl

you are just playing devil's advocate.

the nigerian authorities have had ample time to solve this issue, but it is now very clear that they will only do the bare minimum while the situation continues to escalate.
if by their own admission they can neither secure christians nor muslims, nor even the #2 of the legislative arm of a state, why is anyone against unilateral intervention to end the scourge.

the us is not coming here to bomb nigerian military facilities alongside the terrorist camps.
no one will stop the nigerian military from fighting the scourge before, during, or after the intervention.
no one is after the nigerian military or the government or the citizenry.

the authorities should not need external pressure to secure the lives of nigerians.
but since it is pressure they need, they will get the mother of all pressures.
don't worry about scrutiny. the intervention will be scrutinized when it starts.
but we are not going to completely close off the possibility of unilateral intervention because we are nigerians and we know how nigerians think. if they know there will never be an intervention, they will do nothing. they will only do what we call "eye service" while strategically waiting for trump to leave office.

that is what happened when trump first raised this issue with buhari.
y'all acting like we've not been here before.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
you are just playing devil's advocate.

the nigerian authorities have had ample time to solve this issue, but it is now very clear that they will only do the bare minimum while the situation continues to escalate.
if by their own admission they can neither secure christians nor muslims, nor even the #2 of the legislative arm of a state, why is anyone against unilateral intervention to end the scourge.

the us is not coming here to bomb nigerian military facilities alongside the terrorist camps.
no one will stop the nigerian military from fighting the scourge before, during, or after the intervention.
no one is after the nigerian military or the government or the citizenry.

the authorities should not need external pressure to secure the lives of nigerians.
but since it is pressure they need, they will get the mother of all pressures.
don't worry about scrutiny. the intervention will be scrutinized when it starts.
but we are not going to completely close off the possibility of unilateral intervention because we are nigerians and we know how nigerians think. if they know there will never be an intervention, they will do nothing. they will only do what we call "eye service" while strategically waiting for trump to leave office.

that is what happened when trump first raised this issue with buhari.
y'all acting like we've not been here before.

-Lord

Im not playing devil's advocate

Im saying it as it is

The Nigerian (esp northern elite) should be ashamed of themselves for paying lip serving and even worse tacitly endorsing this

The Christian leaders?
They were the ones jumping about claiming "mo genocide"

Did you hear what Soludo had to say days ago bout the topic ?

Then the dull ones cheering Trump and saying "come take our resource "
Well, those ones are hopeless

RodgersAkpafu:
Im not playing devil's advocate

Im saying it as it is

The Nigerian (esp northern elite) should be ashamed of themselves for paying lip serving and even worse tacitly endorsing this

The Christian leaders?
They were the ones jumping about claiming "mo genocide"

Did you hear what Soludo had to say days ago bout the topic ?

Then the dull ones cheering Trump and saying "come take our resource "
Well, those ones are hopeless

we will always have id**ts.
but for every soludo, there is an adeboye.
https://www.nairaland.com/8557054/eliminate-terrorists-sponsors-before-us

the northern elites are complicit so why should they be ashamed.
they are proud of the developments.
that they can disarm victims and let the killers roam free and nothing happens

do you think they do not know that they could also make money by solving the issue first in nigeria and becoming the hegemon in the sahel by solving the issue in the region?
are we not in a prime position to solve it with our population and wealth?
and if we do we will be front of the line to reap the benefits that will follow.
from reconstruction to mining to industry to double digit GDP growth
and then that will launch us into the geopolitical stratosphere by being invited to the table whether it is in eritrea, sudan, somalia, libya, central africa, western sahara or even haiti and the caribbean.

do you think they did not see all of that potential and the billions of dollars they can make but instead opt to profit from systematic below-the-radar terrorism and cleansing operations by imported savages.

this is one of the top reasons why i am never ruling out unilateral intervention
if you go to sambisa and find a nuclear scientist there you don't ask if he is there to party
the northern elite that has held the most populous african country hostage for 60 years are corrupt but they're not stupid
everything happening is by design
how can the people that extradited kanu from kenya be telling us that they can't handle bandits roaming in motorcycles right under their nose

and then the so-called northern hoi polloi are telling us to tolerate the killings and the inaction because both christians and muslims are victims. the very same excuse they will give when the scourge becomes unbearable in the south. you can see that from top to bottom, we are dealing with archdemons.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
we will always have id**ts.
but for every soludo, there is an adeboye.
https://www.nairaland.com/8557054/eliminate-terrorists-sponsors-before-us

the northern elites are complicit so why should they be ashamed.
they are proud of the developments.
that they can disarm victims and let the killers roam free and nothing happens

do you think they do not know that they could also make money by solving the issue first in nigeria and becoming the hegemon in the sahel by solving the issue in the region?
are we not in a prime position to solve it with our population and wealth?
and if we do we will be front of the line to reap the benefits that will follow.
from reconstruction to mining to industry to double digit GDP growth
and then that will launch us into the geopolitical stratosphere by being invited to the table whether it is in eritrea, sudan, somalia, libya, central africa, western sahara or even haiti and the caribbean.

do you think they did not see all of that potential and the billions of dollars they can make but instead opt to profit from systematic below-the-radar terrorism and cleansing operations by imported savages.

this is one of the top reasons why i am never ruling out unilateral intervention
if you go to sambisa and find a nuclear scientist there you don't ask if he is there to party
the northern elite that has held the most populous african country hostage for 60 years are corrupt but they're not stupid
everything happening is by design
how can the people that extradited kanu from kenya be telling us that they can't handle bandits roaming in motorcycles right under their nose

and then the so-called northern hoi polloi are telling us to tolerate the killings and the inaction because both christians and muslims are victims. the very same excuse they will give when the scourge becomes unbearable in the south. you can see that from top to bottom, we are dealing with archdemons.

-Lord

You give these guys too much credit

these guys are not as smart as such
They are only good at mobilising to cause violence

RodgersAkpafu:
You give these guys too much credit

these guys are not as smart as such
They are only good at mobilising to cause violence

the stakes are too high to underestimate them.
too many people have died.

-Lord

LordAdam16:
anyone with a positive iq can perform deductive reasoning.
when you consider intervention ethnoreligious hate, then you are fully onboard with the status quo, which is the the continued killings of christians (and muslims).

the hegemony and the axis were partners in eradicating isis in iraq and syria.
do not push an alternate reality that did not happen.

when the war on terror started, the axis and hegemony also partnered.
till date, all axis and hegemony countries will forward warnings of impending terrorist attacks that they are privy to.
everyone on the planet has a red line.

the russians are in the sahel fighting terrorism.
i have no issue with the americans joining the war effort.
if the chinese and iranians come, even better. the more the merrier.

but what we would not have is to do nothing while this scourge gets worse worse year after year.
because in time to come they will saturate the north and start wiping out southern communities.
and then their enablers like you will be telling us to stop complaining and asking for an intervention because they also wiped out northern communities.

we know your endgame and to hell with that.
a stitch in time saves nine.

-Lord

Consider this my last response to you on this matter, as it's become clear you're just running round in circles, regurgitating the same lines with dubious logic.

As for the first bolded claim, the hegemony was NOT a partner in driving out ISIS!
You know they created the problem!
You know their participation was a SHAM meant to deceive those who still think they're up to any good.
You know they later handed Syria to their Alqaeda president!
And yet you claim they partnered with the axis to fight ISIS!.
What manner of a farmer helps to weed a farmland only to bring in cattle to eat up the seedlings
People like you scare me, because I know you know these things. You're on a complete 360 now because of ethnoreligious hate.

As for the second bolded, what endgame are you talking about? The only people who make statements like this are islamophobes.
You may or may not believe this, Muslims are fed up with these endless wars and plots. Muslims just want to have normal, peaceful lives like everybody else. The people up to an endgame are America and Israel, sponsoring terror, wars and bloodshed, messing up the lives of millions of Muslims. They're about to open another theatre of misery in Northern Nigeria, claiming they're coming to solve a problem (created by themselves). And the shocking thing: People like you insist they must Afghanize the desperately poor people of the north because: You know their end game.

Note: I don't intend to discuss this here any longer. This beautiful thread must be back on track.

pansophist:
Everyone here sees the game for what it is.

If the US cares about Nigerian Christians, the right way would be to support Nigeria with intelligence, weapons and coordinate with the Nigerian government to end this threat.

The right way is not to violate our sovereignty and just go throw bombs. This is what they accuse Russia for in Ukraine, and now, they want to do it elsewhere.

The US can’t hide its mask anymore.

The real reason for going into Nigeria (if they will ever go) is for geopolitical calculations and money.

I suspect that Nigeria’s rare earth is the target, possible oil and other natural resources in the land. Christian massacre is just an excuse.

There is no single country that got better after the US intervened militarily, not one, and Nigeria won’t be different.

Just reading about this on social media and how lots of Nigerians welcome the move is just so sad, and showed that we actually love our chains.

Are Nigerians not in Chains already...being chained like ekuke dog by their wicked heartless leaders.

Anything to stop the terrorists killing Christians and Muslims in Nigeria is fine by me.

I occasionally enjoy perusing here - good job.

Please, based on the following, I have a question.

Fula army members pass intel to the Fula terrorists
Fula caliphate leadership at best turn a blind eye and there is cause to suspect their involvement, if not wholesale sponsorship
Fula government leaders - up to the president - and religious leaders pursue "rehabilitation", which is questionable at best, but additionally integration of these terrorists within the Nigerian armed forces. Sound like redeployment to me - no?

To even the most undiscerning, does this not suggest a "longer-term ethnoreligious supremacist agenda for the whole country". Anybody? Almost like the Fula plan to complete the 19th century jihad that was repelled at Oshogbo?

What is the make up of the Nigerian Army (and other armed forces). Leadership and the rank and file - is it Fula heavy?


TV

Nigeria is a very big country
And Fulanis are an ethnic minority with supremacist tendencies

This is because other ethnic groups and their elite have sold out ....

All they want is that their comfort and filling their bank accounts

And the officer cadre of the Nigerian army is more diversified now, thanks to OBJ

LordAdam16:
we will always have id**ts.
but for every soludo, there is an adeboye.
https://www.nairaland.com/8557054/eliminate-terrorists-sponsors-before-us

the northern elites are complicit so why should they be ashamed.
they are proud of the developments.
that they can disarm victims and let the killers roam free and nothing happens

do you think they do not know that they could also make money by solving the issue first in nigeria and becoming the hegemon in the sahel by solving the issue in the region?
are we not in a prime position to solve it with our population and wealth?
and if we do we will be front of the line to reap the benefits that will follow.
from reconstruction to mining to industry to double digit GDP growth
and then that will launch us into the geopolitical stratosphere by being invited to the table whether it is in eritrea, sudan, somalia, libya, central africa, western sahara or even haiti and the caribbean.

do you think they did not see all of that potential and the billions of dollars they can make but instead opt to profit from systematic below-the-radar terrorism and cleansing operations by imported savages.

this is one of the top reasons why i am never ruling out unilateral intervention
if you go to sambisa and find a nuclear scientist there you don't ask if he is there to party
the northern elite that has held the most populous african country hostage for 60 years are corrupt but they're not stupid
everything happening is by design
how can the people that extradited kanu from kenya be telling us that they can't handle bandits roaming in motorcycles right under their nose

and then the so-called northern hoi polloi are telling us to tolerate the killings and the inaction because both christians and muslims are victims. the very same excuse they will give when the scourge becomes unbearable in the south. you can see that from top to bottom, we are dealing with archdemons.

-Lord

Thank you Lord o

When the cake is bigger, there is more to scoop from. We can become so powerful across borders, and talk when others are talking. It is why I keep hammering on the aspect of the elites. They have all the power to do and undo. So, why not do the right thing and reap all the benefits?

You become adored as their counterparts in the Gulf States.

As a follow-up post to the previous one, the elites in every country have the power to set the pace. If things go awry, it is on them to reset everything. A failing society shows failing elites.

A very good example is the newly completed and now operating Simandou iron ore project in Guinea-Conakry. That mine has an iron ore quality of over 60% (one of the world's highest), but has seen failures in building its operations due to the sheer incompetence of its elites. Then came in the new leader - General Mamady Doumbouya - who forced all parties to do as he and his men mandated. The Guineans insisted on 15% stake, not just in the mine, but in the logistics company that operates the rail and port. For instance, even when Guinean authorities demanded that American-operated locomotives run on those Chinese tracks, the Singaporean-headquartered company owned by Mainland Chinese imported locomotives from China, only to have them sent back to China. The American company - WABTEC - later delivered its locomotives from its facility in India. That is the power of elites.

Rio Tinto, which is partly Australian, had majority control of the mine but did not invest to bring it to life until the Chinese came in, led by Sun Xiushun. One of the reasons is that Simandou iron ore quality is very high and would reduce the bargaining power of a similar iron ore area in Australia. Simandou had many infrastructural challenges, including building a new railway rather than using an existing route in neighbouring Liberia (which is much closer). Sun Xiushun poured in his capital and brought in port construction experts from China to work on the project. Banks from Mainland China and Singapore were sceptical about backing him, but he forged on. I almost shed a tear while reading the article because a Guinean senior official stated, "This is the first time we see a railway being completed and running in our lifetime". That is pure Chinese engineering backed by the resolute support of Guinean elites.

So, the entire problem in Northern Nigeria and other parts of the country is solely at the feet of the elites in those places. Boko Haram and other menaces in our country can be ended today if the elites want them to stop. Northern elites have the power to stop the wanton killings of Christians in their domain. This is not the White man (Trump) wanting to scoop resources or the Chinese man fueling the carnage. It is unadulterated Northern Nigerian elites' incompetence.

Two interesting articles about the Simandou project:
- https://archive. md/2025.11.11-000608/https://www. bloomberg. com/news/articles/2025-11-11/shipowner-unlocks-china-rio-tinto-s-bet-on-africa-s-giant-mining-prize-simandou
- https://archive. md/2025.11.12-031324/https://www. ft. com/content/9fe8f588-5383-4fde-b2f7-11fcbb206384

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Gerrard59:
As a follow-up post to the previous one, the elites in every country have the power to set the pace. If things go awry, it is on them to reset everything. A failing society shows failing elites.

A very good example is the newly completed and now operating Simandou iron ore project in Guinea-Conakry. That mine has an iron ore quality of over 60% (one of the world's highest), but has seen failures in building its operations due to the sheer incompetence of its elites. Then came in the new leader - General Mamady Doumbouya - who forced all parties to do as he and his men mandated. The Guineans insisted on 15% stake, not just in the mine, but in the logistics company that operates the rail and port. For instance, even when Guinean authorities demanded that American-operated locomotives run on those Chinese tracks, the Singaporean-headquartered company owned by Mainland Chinese imported locomotives from China, only to have them sent back to China. The American company - WABTEC - later delivered its locomotives from its facility in India. That is the power of elites.

Rio Tinto, which is partly Australian, had majority control of the mine but did not invest to bring it to life until the Chinese came in, led by Sun Xiushun. One of the reasons is that Simandou iron ore quality is very high and would reduce the bargaining power of a similar iron ore area in Australia. Simandou had many infrastructural challenges, including building a new railway rather than using an existing route in neighbouring Liberia (which is much closer). Sun Xiushun poured in his capital and brought in port construction experts from China to work on the project. Banks from Mainland China and Singapore were sceptical about backing him, but he forged on. I almost shed a tear while reading the article because a Guinean senior official stated, "This is the first time we see a railway being completed and running in our lifetime". That is pure Chinese engineering backed by the resolute support of Guinean elites.

So, the entire problem in Northern Nigeria and other parts of the country is solely at the feet of the elites in those places. Boko Haram and other menaces in our country can be ended today if the elites want them to stop. Northern elites have the power to stop the wanton killings of Christians in their domain. This is not the White man (Trump) wanting to scoop resources or the Chinese man fueling the carnage. It is unadulterated Northern Nigerian elites' incompetence.

Two interesting articles about the Simandou project:
- https://archive. md/2025.11.11-000608/https://www. bloomberg. com/news/articles/2025-11-11/shipowner-unlocks-china-rio-tinto-s-bet-on-africa-s-giant-mining-prize-simandou
- https://archive. md/2025.11.12-031324/https://www. ft. com/content/9fe8f588-5383-4fde-b2f7-11fcbb206384

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the elites set the pace.

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case in point, two days ago, the wall street journal published an opinion piece about a china-myanmar project to kneecap us sanctions
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/chinas-myanmar-project-could-end-u-s-sanctions-8b5fdb6f

this is how sensible elites act.
not invite savages to conduct cleansing operations.

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i am rooting for the success of this project
a potential SPOF is that the US can theoretically opt to cut off ICBC like it did Sberbank
but there is a chance that isn't an option anymore because china decisively won the trade war

ICBC is literally the largest bank in the world
the us sanctioning it will send the global economy into a tailspin
to say nothing of the chinese retaliation

this project is a sniper headshot
for the sake of the global majority, it has to succeed

-Lord

LordAdam16:
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the elites set the pace.

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case in point, two days ago, the wall street journal published an opinion piece about a china-myanmar project to kneecap us sanctions
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/chinas-myanmar-project-could-end-u-s-sanctions-8b5fdb6f

this is how sensible elites act.
not invite savages to conduct cleansing operations.

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i am rooting for the success of this project.a potential SPOF is that the US can theoretically opt to cut off ICBC like it did Sberbank
but there is a chance that isn't an option anymore because china decisively won the trade war.ICBC is literally the largest bank in the world. the us sanctioning it will send the global economy into a tailspin.to say nothing of the chinese retaliation
this project is a sniper headshot.for the sake of the global majority, it has to succeed

-Lord

So far, events across different parts of the world, including our country, have reinforced the notion that a society is a reflection of its elite class. The Chinese elite class, regardless of location, are very intelligent, disciplined, foresighted and pragmatic. Not so much for some groups out there.

I read the article you posted, and it is interesting to read the fearful tone of the author should the program succeed. American tech bro are adopting Blockchain and crypto payments. So, the CCP too would adopt those technologies, but would set the tone at which they are implemented. And the US cannot dictate to China to do otherwise as the CCP get strong head.

The Dzungar genocide

Many people know about genocide in different part of the world, but a very few knows about the Dzungar people, who were completely wiped out by China and their territory shared between present day Xinjiang and Kazakhstan, but mostly incorporated as a Chinese territory.

The Dzungar empire was very large, around the size of India.

And the irony is that the Dzungars did not even commit up to 5% of the evils the Japanese committed to China during WW2. There are still surviving Dzungars who populates part of China, Russia, Mongolia and the US, but as a people and a culture, they are done.

in the 17th century, the Dzungars were a nomadic tribe that have been threatening China, and to put the Dzungar question to a final rest, the Qing government ordered that their whole population be wiped out completely.

The rhetoric of the new Japanese government has ignited a discourse about putting a final end to the Japanese question in the Chinese media space, and lots of Chinese are citing such the Dzungar precedence as a fate that awaits Japan since it is clear that there can not be any coexistence between the two countries.

China is at its most powerful period it has ever been, and will becomes increasingly powerful. The daring plan to double its GDP in 2035, making China the wealthiest nation on earth is a testament to this.

A powerful China with landmass over x100 compared to Japan who import over 70% of its food, has an low fertility rate, and incapable of projecting power, its fate in dark. China's harsh stance over the past few days only goes to show that revenge is deeply in reserve in the Chinese psyche, and one can only wonder what it would be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_people