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| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 3:25pm On Nov 08, 2025*. Modified: 5:59pm On Nov 09, 2025 |
lawani:Bump. True. Ogiri is widely used among the Yoruba folks and is totally different from Iru made from fermented locust beans. It's even documented in the Yoruba-English dictionary of the 1800s (1843) first written by Ajayi Crowther who is a respected clergy man and linguist. Unknown to some historically uninformed people, It's Ajayi Crowther who wrote the FIRST EVER Ibo language primer "Isuama Ibo: A primer" as a Fourah Bay-educated linguist who spoke multiple languages. The books he wrote in Igala (Just like Itsekiri, Igala is Yoruboid language with up to 65% mutual intelligibility with the core Yoruba language with the rest being of Idomoid origins) and Ibo languages were based on the foundations of his earlier works (Yoruba bible, Yoruba-English Dictionary published in1843) on the Yoruba alphabet which he created. It's NOT surprising that the Ibo alphabet which was created decades later from majorly Ajayi Crowther's inputs with a few locals while he was in Onitsha in the 1800s in the Yoruba alphabet style of 1843, and some Yoruba loan words such as "Egunsi (Egusi)" which Ibos loaned and spell as "Egwusi" found there way into the Central Ibo language lexicon as CLEARLY confirmed under the entry "Egwusi where it's refered to as a "YOR" loan word [YOR in full means YORUBA] in the "Longman Ibo-English Dictionary" co-written by an erudite Ibo academic and a European scholar, and pure Yoruba words like Egungun for masquerade which Igalas spell as Egwugwu, Ogun in Yoruba for medicine which Igalas spell as Ogwu, Ewa for beans in Yoruba which Igalas spell as Egwa, etc, found their ways via lgala language into the IBO area due to the strong Igala influence for over 500 years now on the Northern parts of Enugu, Delta North, Anambra right to Onitsha were Igalas first occupied before the arrival just 400 years ago by Eze China descendants who were taken across the river Niger by Igala boatmen according to the current Obi of Onitsha in a 2018 Ofala day documentary I saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syMoObu0ejQ |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 3:31pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
YonkijiSappo:True, Iru is NOT the same as Ogiri. Ogiri is also made from fermented castor seeds. |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 4:25pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
lawani:Indeed, Ogiri is a Yoruba word that has been used for centuries. Some loan words like I stated earlier leaked into the lexicon of other languages such as Ibo as indicated in the "Longman Ibo-English Dictionary" and the indigenous Igalas of Kogi, Anambra, Enugu, and Delta North (Igala language is Yoruboid-speaking with up to 65% of Yoruba-derived words in Igala language (and the rest of Idoma language origin) definitely influenced the adoption of these Yoruba words in Ibo language as loan words. "Ogede" and "Iba' are pure Yoruba words for Plantain and Fever which Igalas also use. The Central Ibo lexicon also loaned the two words "Ogede" and "Iba" among other words via Igala. The pure Yoruba word or name AJAGUN (meaning Warrior) is spelled in Igala language as AJAGWU (warrior in Igala) and is in used as a name in Anambra due to the Igala influences due to the FACT that Igalas are indigenous to Anambra and Enugu States. So these Yoruboid words inflows in Igala language into Ibo lexicon over the last 500 years isn't strange due to the SE real Igala-associated communities in Anambra, Enugu, Delta North and Kogi such as Ebu, Okpanam, Illah, Asaba in Delta North, many Anambra communities such as Onitsha, Nteje, Aguleri, Umueri, etc, in Enugu State... Nsukka, and areas bordering Kogi have Igala bloodlines over the centuries. ERI is regarded as the son of Achado of Igala noble origins from Idah. Even the name IDAH (the cultural capital of Igalaland is of Yoruba origin as the FULL name is "Ona Ida" meaning "the road or path of movement is blocked" due to the river Niger). This name Idah or "Ona Ida" emphasizes the experience the early founders of Idah went through while migrating to their current location of Idah centuries back. In 2017, the late Attah of Igalaland Michael Ameh Oboni clearly stated in a Saturday Punch newspaper that Igala people are a fusion of people from the Wukari area who moved along the river Benue to the river Niger area around Idah and they met a significant number of Yorubas and Edos around the Idah area who they fused with. The article is still on the Punch newspaper website. The Igalas have part Yoruba ancestries or bloodlines in addition to Idoma, some Edo, Jukun, etc, from centuries past. Even in the iconic book entitled: "The Ibo-Igala Borderlands" published in the 1960s by an American lecturer who lectured at UNN in Nsukka, he wrote that Igala and Yoruba hunters were jointly hunting together in Nsukka as far back as the 1700s. The American scholar (Shelby) wrote further that the Igalas learned Yoruba incantations and medicinal ways from the Yorubas. The uncanny similarities in language are just way too much further emphasizing that Igalas are Yorubas are direct cousins. It's NOT strange the former American scholar at UNN got that information BECAUSE the red Igala chieftaincy cap was FIRST introduced into the Nsukka area by the Igalas. The red cap is NOT originally indigenous to the Ibos but is of Middle Belt of Nigeria origin and was later copied by those in other parts of Iboland who didn't even have direct contact with the Igalas. |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 4:30pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
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| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by ariesbull: 4:32pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
funmijoyb:no none are Igbo word |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 4:36pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
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| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 5:19pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
lawani:@lawani @Your bolded post right ABOVE. FIRST off, Fluted Pumpkin is widely grown in nature and has Indigenous names in different languages for centuries. The Fluted Pumpkin leaves are called "Nkong Ubong" in Ibibio language and "Ugu" by the Ibos BUT it's NOT a leaf of Ibo origin contrary to misleading claims. The Yoruba name for Fluted Pumpkin leaves has always been "Ewe Woroko or Eweroko" with further explanations FAR right BELOW. (Just like Yorubas have Obe Apon or Apon soup which is called Ogbono in other places). So, the Yorubas have been eating fluted pumpkin leaves for centuries. It has to be emphasized here and now that because of regional differences, some Yoruba subgroups eat more of other types of soups and cuisines than others. The Ijesas, Ekitis, Ondos, etc, eat a lot of Iyan (pounded yam) with highly tasty Obe Egunsi (Egusi) with unique indigenous spices added for flavor. The Ibadans and other Oyo groups eat more of the 3 types of Elubo namely: Elubo isu (yam flour) plus Elubo Lafun (cassava flour) plus Elubo Ogede (plantain flour) and Obe Ewedu and Gbegiri soups. Contrary to the ridiculously FALSE claims by some ignorant posters online (including some young Yorubas who aren't properly exposed to their culture), the Yorubas have more than 25 different types of flavorful soups beyond the Ewedu and Gbegiri soups which are just quick soups that these people ONLY know. The popular "Efo riro genre is NOT just one type of soup, BUT it has up to 6 types of soup variants alone based on the type of leaves used. Combined together, all the soups from the different parts of Yorubaland from Nigeria, to Benin Republic, to Togo, are over 25 types of soups with some being special soups because the ingredients are seasonal based on my cuisine research over the years. With greenhouses, these ingredients and spices can be made all-year round. The Yorubas are indeed great cooks and it's necessary to have a copyrighted unified Yoruba cookbook(s) to show the richness of the global Yoruba cuisines that have existed for centuries before now. Ewe woroko (also spelled eweroko or efo worowo in Yoruba) refers to fluted pumpkin leaves in English. This vegetable is widely known as "ugu" in the Igbo language and has the botanical name Telfairia occidentalis. It is a popular and nutritious leafy green used extensively in West African cuisine, particularly in Nigerian soups and stews. Telfairia occidentalis - Wikipedia Telfairia occidentalis. ... Telfairia occidentalis is a tropical vine grown in West Africa as a leaf vegetable and for its edible seeds. Fluted pumpkin (Telfairia occidentalis) Known as NKONG UBONG in Ibibio, UGU in Ibo, EWEROKO in Yoruba and and KABEWA MAI KABEWA in Hausa is a tropical vine grown in West Africa as a leaf vegetable and for its edible seeds. 5 Aug 2020 Source: https://www.facebook.com/Nurseudeme/posts/there-has-been-an-increasing-awareness-on-the-need-to-include-more-vegetables-in/ |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by lawani(m): 6:29pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
AlphaTaikun:Thanks I posted the comment before knowing the Yoruba word for Ugwu leaf |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 6:49pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
lawani:That's fine... I enjoyed a lot of your submissions on the thread here. It's always good to NOT let those insidious posts made by bigots to slide without schooling them on proper history with FACTS. I'm glad you took charge of the situation back then for the sake of posterity. Enjoy your weekend. |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by ariesbull: 6:58pm On Nov 08, 2025 |
AlphaTaikun:But at least the word ...Ugu is an Igbo word the way Pizza is an Italian word and shawarma an Arabic word Ugu is an Igbo word Okro an Igbo word Ogbono an Igbo word Oha an Igbo word Nsala an Igbo word Nobody is saying that you guys don't have words in your language for these ...but let's establish the fact that these mentioned words are Igbo |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by ariesbull: 8:33am On Feb 06 |
AlphaTaikun:If Yoruba can claim Ogiri is a Yoruba word ... A tribe that Hausa named Yaribas and later it evolved to Yoruba and Yoruba doesn't even have any meaning in Yoruba language Tomorrow you will claim Ugu, Onugbu Ugba Abacha Akpu Odogwu Are all Yoruba words.... What's the meaning of Yoruba let's even start with that ! |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 5:38pm On Feb 06*. Modified: 11:10am On Apr 28 |
ariesbull:FIRST off, let's be very CLEAR here, contrary to your post, the Yorubas are NOT a "tribe" but an ETHNIC group with a population of over 70 million strong located in major population centers worldwide. They are indigenous to Nigeria, Benin Republic, Togo, and Yoruba descendants have been in Ghana for over 500 years engaging in long-distance trading via the Oyo Empire to the Accra region and the Ashanti Empire. Incidentally, I understand and speak Hausa and NO modern Hausa person calls Yorubas by that name "Yari.ba" contrary to the misleading information you posted... NON! That name "Yari.ba" is a misleading European rendition by explorers, missionaries, etc, of different spellings such as "Yarr.iba or Yeri.ba" in their books. The standard Hausa spelling for Yoruba folks is "Yar.bawa." Hausa names usually end with "WA" such as "Kanawa" for people from Kano. The spelling "Yoruba" was historically coined by Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther, a renowned multilinguist and Anglican clergyman. It was Ajayi Crowther who standardized that spelling YORUBA which is derived from OYO OBA to refer to the Oyo Empire and Oyo people who are a subgroup of the Yorubas. That spelling was used in all his official publications as of 1843. Yoruba is the name for Oyo folks (Oyo Oba or Oyo is King) referencing the foremost ascendancy of the Oyo Empire among the larger Yoruba people. That name Yoruba was then extended to refer to ALL the subgroups with ancestral links in the Yoruba Country. There is a video documentary online that explains in a sequential historical timeline how Ajayi Crowther coined the name Yoruba in the early 1800s. The English people are made up of 3 Germanic tribes called Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. They were fused together and collectively called English (or Anglo-Saxons) with English being derived from one of the Germanic tribes called the ANGLES. The Oyos, the Ondos, Ijesas, Ibolos, Egbas, Ibadans, Ekitis, Ilajes, Ijebus of Lagos and Ogun States, Usen and other Yorubas of Ife (Ufe origins) of (Ovia South West LGA of Edo State), Okuns of Kogi, Ekos and Aworis of Lagos and Ogun States, Akokos, Ejigbos, Owus, etc, are all collectively called Yoruba as of today. YORUBA simply refered ORIGINALLY to the OYO people, BUT it now refers to many of the other subgroups in the Yoruba country such as the Ekitis, Aworis, Ilajes, Ijebus, Akokos, etc, so it is totally disingenuous for you to FALSELY claim on an open with your full chest that Yoruba has no meaning. You can do BETTER. I didn't want to respond to parts of your post because what I posted some months ago on this thread which you are quoting here is self-explanatory. Just to be CLEAR, the Yorubas of Kogi and the Igalas are close neighbors and are ancestrally related as told by Attah Michael Ameh Oboni with Igala being a fusion of people of different ethnic groups. So, it's NOT strange that you have 65% of Yoruba-derived words in Igala while the remaining 35% of Igala words are largely of Idoma origins. The former American lecturer of the University of Nigeria Nsukka named Shelby wrote in his book entitled, "Ibo-Igala Borderlands" that as far back as the early 1700s, Yorubas and their Igala hunter friends were already hunting in the forests of Nsukka and the Igalas learned divination and the art of charms from the Yoruba and vice versa. Fourth, "Ewe Woroko" or "Eweroko" is the well-known Yoruba name for fluted pumpkin leaves used for centuries to make vegetable soup by the Yorubas, which the Ibos call "ugu." The Hausas, Efiks and Ibibios have their own indigenous names for the fluted punpkin leaves as well which I CLEARLY stated on this same thread. NO Yoruba person will ever claim those Ibo words you wrote up there with the exception of "Oloriogun" (or Ologun) which is called "Odogwu" which practically mean the same thing... (Head or leader of Warriors). Just so you know, PURE Yoruba words in Igala language such as "Ogun" meaning War in Yoruba is spelled dialectically as Ogwu in Igala, Ogun is Medicine in Yoruba is spelled as Ogwu in Igala, Ogun Deity in Yoruba language is spelled as Ogwu as well based on dialectic and diacritical marks, "Egungun" for masquerade in Yoruba is spelled as Egwugwu in Igala, "Ewa" for beans in Yoruba is spelled as Egwa in Igala, "Omi" for water in Yoruba is spelled as Omi in Igala, "Ogede" for plantain in Yoruba is spelled as Ogede as well in Igala, "Omo and Oma" in Yoruba is spelled as Oma in Igala, "Ifa" divination in Yoruba is spelled as Ifa in Igala [which the Ibos of Nri and contiguous areas influenced by the Igalas corrupted to "Afa"]. Iba for fever in Yoruba is spelled as Iba in Igala, "Osu" for month in Yoruba is spelled as Ochu in Igala, Ise in Yoruba for work is spelled as Uche in Igala I've seen Ibo folks online from Imo and Abia States who strongly affirm that "Odinani" is the original Ibo traditional religion NOT "Afa" which Anambra communities such as Nri and co [which have Igala influences via ERI the Igala Prince and son of Achado] like to claim as the indigenous religion. This goes to show that Ifa (corrupted to Afa) is NOT indigenous to Nri but was brought from from Yorubaland via Igala due to the Igala connection with Anambra, Enugu and Delta North in the last 500 years. The red chieftaincy cap too is NOT indigenous to the Ibos, BUT it was FIRST introduced into the Nsukka area within the last 500 years by the Igalas whose conquest and settlement of what is now called Northern Iboland in Enugu and Anambra States included Nsukka. Some noticeable Yoruba words and Yoruba-derived words in Igala have found their ways into the Ibo lexicon. Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther who is a trained linguist and Anglican clergy man was the FIRST EVER person [using the foundations of his work in creating the Yoruba language alphabet, Yoruba bible and Yoruba-English Dictionary as of 1843] to write a book in Ibo language entitled, "Isuama Ibo: A Primer" in the late 1800s. This highly respected Yoruba man [named Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther is a direct descendant of Alaafin Abiodun, the Emperor of the Oyo Empire who reigned in the late 1700s], wrote the same language books for Igala and Nupe languages. Samuel Ajayi Crowther lived in Onitsha as a missionary and could speak the Onitsha Ibo dialect. Brilliant linguists and missionaries such as Ajayi Crowther had to be proficient in multiple languages for their missionary activities. The FACT remains that 65% of Igala words are derived from the Yoruba language due to the fusion of Yoruba bloodlines in Igala ancestry (Igalas have part Yoruba ancestries) as confirmed by the Attah of Igala, Michael Ameh Oboni in a 2017 Sunday Punch newspaper interview. This is why Igala language is classified officially by linguists as a Yoruboid language. There's NO doubt that the influence of the Igalas who are indigenous to parts of Anambra, Enugu, Delta North, and Kogi (including several states in the Middle Belt) led to the inflow of these Yoruba words into modern Ibo lexicon as LOAN words via the Anambra/Igala border lands. Yoruba words such as "Ewure" for goat which is Ewu, "Enu" for mouth which is Onu, "Okuta" for rock or stone which is spelled Okwute in Ibo, "Egungun" for masquerade in Yoruba is spelled as Egwugwu in Igala and Ibo. "Olukumi" or Oluku is an Yoruba word meaning my confidant/protector which is disingenuously corrupted to "Onuku" by the Ibos to refer to the Igalas. The amount of LOAN WORDS derived from Yoruba language in Ibo language lexicon isn't more than 2%, BUT in Igala language 65% of Yoruba language are in Igala with 35% of Idoma words embedded in Igala language as well. Last but NOT least, I have seen works of scholars and linguists of Ibo origin online who CLEARLY affirm that Yoruba words such as Akara, Egusi (corrupted to Egwusi by Ibos as a LOAN WORD), Agidi, Moyin-Moyin (which has been bastardized to "mai mai" by Ibos), Elubo (corrupted to alibo by Ibos) etymologically are derived from Yoruba language as LOAN words. [b]The "Longman Ibo-English Dictionary" published many decades ago by an Ibo scholar and a European scholar CLEARLY states that "Egwusi" is a LOAN word derived by the Ibos from the Yorubas (YOR) who spell it as Egusi. Elili is the actual Ibo word for Egusi. [/b] I also read that different parts of Ibo have different names for the same thing. The original spelling of "Moyin-Moyin" alternatively shortened to "Moin-Moin" with the letter "Y" removed in recent history is simultaneously called "Olele" which are both Yoruba words emphasizing the "stickiness" of the beans pudding. The Yoruba name for Walnut is both called "Asala" and "Ausa" depending on regional variations in Yorubaland. "Ugbo" and "Igbo," mean forest or bush in Yoruba. "Ule and "Ile" mean land in Yoruba. Oma and Omo mean child or indigene in Yoruba language. |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by Wulfruna(f): 6:44pm On Feb 06 |
AlphaTaikun:This is Konquest's alternate account. The ideas and style are hard to miss. |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by ariesbull: 7:31pm On Feb 07 |
Are you done ? AlphaTaikun: |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 8:07pm On Feb 07 |
ariesbull:I have no time for banal discussions. My post is self-explanatory and my convo with you ends here and now. Period. |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 1:40pm On Feb 09 |
| Re: Why Do Igbo People Claim Yoruba Words To Be Theirs? by AlphaTaikun: 2:12pm On Feb 09*. Modified: 11:14am On Apr 28 |
Wulfruna:"Radio silence..." Okay, we are over 8 billion folks living on planet Earth with many people having "ideas and styles" that are quite similar. It's one of the quirky occurences in life. I'm sure you've heard of the "6-degrees of separation" (it's now reduced to 4-degrees of separation). |
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Yeeeebos must u focefully attached to other people's culture and hate yours?