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MaxInDHouse:
Simply means firstborn and two children can't be first born it can only be one!🙂

Can you show me any dictionary in which Only Begotten Son means first born?

Can you show me where it is recorded in Scriptures that the Bright and Morning Star means first born?

FxMasterz:
Can you show me any dictionary in which Only Begotten Son means first born? Can you show me where it is recorded in Scriptures that the Bright and Morning Star means first born?

Son shows this person is one of the children and morning star means Son of God so if only begotten or bright is the remaining issue no wahala.

You can start you long epistle on that but at least we have we basic knowledge of son and morning star in the Bible! Job 38:7😂

MaxInDHouse:
Did Bible called anyone God's biological son?
If you don't understand something ask not just fabricating lies when you've not asked those involved.
We believe Jesus is God's Son so stop lying deceiving yourself thinking you are criticizing others.

Yes the bible called Jesus Christ God's begotten Son.
What does it mean to be a begotten
Son and how is it different from an adopted son?
Your begotten son comes directly from you and has your DNA.
Christ inherited the Father's nature.
Clearly, Christ is not an adopted son, He is begotten

MaxInDHouse:
Son shows this person is one of the children and morning star means Son of God so if only begotten or bright is the remaining issue no wahala.

You can start you long epistle on that but at least we have we basic knowledge of son and morning star in the Bible! Job 38:7😂

I am a son of God too, and I am also a star. Okay?

The Only Begotten Son does not mean firstborn, and that your heretic mind knows that clearly! He is the only One that was begotten.

Please answer fast and quick: Are the angels begotten? Apart from Jesus who is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, is there any other begotten son? Other sons may not be firstborns but they could be begotten, isn't it?

MaxInDHouse:
Simply means firstborn and two children can't be first born it can only be one!🙂

If your first child is the only one begotten by you and the rest of your kids are not then your faithful wife has some questions to answer.

MaxInDHouse:
So angels are divine jàre.

Find something else to say!

They are divine been associated with God.

But they are not Diety like God or Jesus

MaxInDHouse:
Son shows this person is one of the children and morning star means Son of God so if only begotten or bright is the remaining issue no wahala.

You can start you long epistle on that but at least we have we basic knowledge of son and morning star in the Bible! Job 38:7😂

The word begotten qualifies the kind of child we are talking about. The word begotten tells us that this is not an adopted son.

FxMasterz:
I am a son of God too, and I am also a star. Okay?

As you wish but God's word called angels only by that name "MORNING STARS" there is nowhere God's word called any worshiper of God a star!

blueAgent:
They are divine been associated with God. But they are not Diety like God or Jesus

Go back to your dictionary!😂

MaxInDHouse:
As you wish but God's word called angels only by that name "MORNING STARS" there is nowhere God's word called any worshiper of God a star!

Thank you for referring to what God's Word said and what it didn't say.

Please show me where God's Word says Jesus is only begotten because He is Firstborn. Or, show me where God's Word referred to any other begotten son aside from Jesus.

As for me being a star:

Daniel 12:3: "Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever."

We're not talking about me actually. We're talking about Jesus. So, please stay focused.

If you don't agree it's not by force at least you know what we believe by that word "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" you and your fellow worshipers can figure it out and apply it as you people feel.
As for us only begotten son among the angels means the only angel God created Himself {Proverbs 8:22} who assisted in the creation of other things! Colossians 1:15-16

FxMasterz:
Thank you for referring to what God's Word said and what it didn't say.

Please show me where God's Word says Jesus is only begotten because He is Firstborn. Or, show me where God's Word referred to any other begotten son aside from Jesus.

As for me being a star:

Daniel 12:3: "Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever."

We're not talking about me actually. We're talking about Jesus. So, please stay focused.

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't agree it's not by force at least you know what we believe by that word "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" you and your fellow worshipers can figure it out and apply it as you people feel.
As for us only begotten son among the angels means the only angel God created Himself {Proverbs 8:22} who assisted in the creation of other things! Colossians 1:15-16

So, you even changed to word 'begotten' to created. So, when you begat your children, you actually created them. And, your firstborn is actually the child you created yourself while your other children were created by other men. Isn't it?

FxMasterz:
So, you even changed to word 'begotten' to created. So, when you begat your children, you actually created them. And, your firstborn is actually the child you created yourself while your other children were created by other men. Isn't it?

Read your Bible!

That's what Colossians 1:15-17 says!😂

MaxInDHouse:
Read your Bible!

That's what Colossians 1:15-17 says!😂

Lies!

You were the one who created your own Colossians 1:15-17 to say what you said.

I have attached the Greek Interlinear so you can see what those verses say exactly.

Jesus being Firstborn is clearly indicated as Him being the first to rise from the dead and enter heaven in a transformed body. We all will enter heaven this way to be in God's Presence for ever and ever but Jesus was the first ever Human to do so. Hennce, He is the Firstborn unto God.

Now, tell me how Firstborn = Only Begotten. Even if He's Firstborn just because He was created first, others are also begotten as long as they were also created. But He's the Only Begotten. Only Begotten. No one else is Begotten.

FxMasterz:
Lies!
You were the one who created your own Colossians 1:15-17 to say what you said.
I have attached the Greek Interlinear so you can see what those verses say exactly. Jesus being Firstborn is clearly indicated as Him being the first to rise from the dead and enter heaven in a transformed body. We all will enter heaven this way to be in God's Presence for ever and ever but Jesus was the first ever Human to do so. Hennce, He is the Firstborn unto God. Now, tell me how Firstborn = Only Begotten. Even if He's Firstborn just because He was created first, others are also begotten as long as they were also created. But He's the Only Begotten. Only Begotten. No one else is Begotten.

First born of all creation is what we are talking about Sir! Colossians 1:15😂

MaxInDHouse:
First born of all creation is what we are talking about Sir! Colossians 1:15😂

That firstborn of all creation was then explained in Scripture, even in the same book and chapter so that people like you would not butcher God's Word to give it your own interpretation.

Colossians 1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent."

Revelation 1:5: ...and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

These verses highlight Jesus' resurrection as the firstfruits of those who will be raised from the dead, demonstrating His power over death and sin.

Stick to one point at a time.

Creation is what we are talking about now so Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all the creations from God and he was given the privilege to create other things! Colossians 1:15-16 compare to Proverbs 8:22-30

So don't jump the fence just stick to the point of discussion!😂

FxMasterz:
That firstborn of all creation was then explained in Scripture, even in the same book and chapter so that people like you would not butcher God's Word to give it your own interpretation.

Colossians 1:18: And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent."

Revelation 1:5: ...and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

These verses highlight Jesus' resurrection as the firstfruits of those who will be raised from the dead, demonstrating His power over death and sin.

MaxInDHouse:
Stick to one point at a time.

Creation is what we are talking about now so Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all the creations from God and he was given the privilege to create other things! Colossians 1:15-16 compare to Proverbs 8:22-30

So don't jump the fence just stick to the point of discussion!😂

How does that make Him the Only Begotten Son?

FxMasterz:
How does that make Him the Only Begotten Son?

Self explanatory!

The only angel directly created by God who was assigned to create other things!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Self explanatory!

The only angel directly created by God who was assigned to create other things!🙂

You don't need to explain. Just point out a scripture that says so.

Gentlemen, All I can deduce from all of this whole Epistles, narrations, illustrations and teaching is that some christians are self-centered/baised.
We all choose what suits us and ignore the prominent ones.
Humans will always be humans as long as you were born by an earthly parents, Angels will always be Angels of God because God himself created them and wanted them above humans, but calling Jesus Christ an angel as the same as all other Angels God created in heaven is what I don't really understand; Even the Bible explicitly stated otherwise. Please John 3:16 is enough to clear this Angels and Jesus argument you all are throwing up in this thread.

Please kindly preach the word of God to unbelievers and leave the rest to God instead of arguing what is already stated in the Bible.

Lest I forget: INDOCTRINATION is the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.


My 2cents.

FxMasterz:
I am a son of God too, and I am also a star. Okay?

The Only Begotten Son does not mean firstborn, and that your heretic mind knows that clearly! He is the only One that was begotten.

Please answer fast and quick: Are the angels begotten? Apart from Jesus who is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, is there any other begotten son? Other sons may not be firstborns but they could be begotten, isn't it?

Israel is

sonmvayina:
Israel is

But you said there's only one Firstborn, isn't it? How's Israel also a firstborn? Did God create Israel directly too?

FxMasterz:
You don't need to explain. Just point out a scripture that says so.

But you want to explain when what you said is not written word for word o!

Ọmọ that's why i said:

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't agree it's not by force at least you now know what we believe by that word "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" you and your fellow worshipers can figure it out and apply it as you people feel.
As for us only begotten son among the angels means the only angel God created Himself {Proverbs 8:22} who assisted in the creation of other things! Colossians 1:15-16

🙂

martinskelly:
Gentlemen, All I can deduce from all of this whole Epistles, narrations, illustrations and teaching is that some christians are self-centered/baised.
We all choose what suits us and ignore the prominent ones.
Humans will always be humans as long as you were born by an earthly parents, Angels will always be Angels of God because God himself created them and wanted them above humans, but calling Jesus Christ an angel as the same as all other Angels God created in heaven is what I don't really understand; Even the Bible explicitly stated otherwise. Please John 3:16 is enough to clear this Angels and Jesus argument you all are throwing up in this thread.
Please kindly preach the word of God to unbelievers and leave the rest to God instead of arguing what is already stated in the Bible.
Lest I forget: INDOCTRINATION is the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.

My 2cents.

It's not by force jàre so if anyone said he doesn't understand it's because such a person hasn't studied the Bible with us so we don't impose it on anyone what we believe is if you know otherwise then go out there and make disciples who will also become preachers in their neighborhood at least we all know that any religion that's unable to make such disciples is not doing what Jesus commanded! Matthew 28:19-20🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Go back to your dictionary!😂

Which dictionary, the one you wrote ?

https://www.google.com/search?q=divine+meaning&client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new&sei=ELcQabyZN8nU1sQPuZfp-Aw#ebo=0


Check the meaning of the opposite of divine, which is mortal.

Angels are not immortal an like man, their lives depend on God.

Only GOD and Jesus have Immortality inherently.

blueAgent:
Angels are not immortal an like man, their lives depend on God.

Someone said:

“Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” Luke 23:46

“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:39

And Paul said about this same person:

While Jesus lived on earth he prayed to God, asking for help from the one who could save him from death. He prayed to God with loud cries and tears. And his prayers were answered because of his great respect for God. Hebrews 5:7

Jesus' life depend on God, true or false?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Someone said:

“Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” Luke 23:46

“My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.” Matthew 26:39

And Paul said about this same person:

While Jesus lived on earth he prayed to God, asking for help from the one who could save him from death. He prayed to God with loud cries and tears. And his prayers were answered because of his great respect for God. Hebrews 5:7

Jesus' life depend on God, true or false?🙂

That's as a man,( incarnate)his life depended on God.

But as the Son of God(pre-incarnate), he had life inherently.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

That is why he was the most qualified to redeem man.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
He is called eternal life for a reason.

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

No Angel have life in himself.

blueAgent:
That's as a man,( incarnate)his life depended on God.

When Peter said:

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16

Was he talking to a human?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
But you want to explain when what you said is not written word for word o!

Ọmọ that's why i said:

🙂

In a nutshell, your doctrine of Jesus being a created being is a formulated one. It has no single support in scripture.

May I ask you a simple question?

Who will admit you into heaven? God or your governing body?

I advise you, if God is the One who would admit you, adhere to His Word without adding to it.

If your governing council are the ones that would admit you into heaven, then, hold their doctrines dear, and ingnore the Word of God.

FxMasterz:
In a nutshell, your doctrine of Jesus being a created being is a formulated one. It has no single support in scripture. May I ask you a simple question? Who will admit you into heaven? God or your governing body?
I advise you, if God is the One who would admit you, adhere to His Word without adding to it. If your governing council are the ones that would admit you into heaven, then, hold their doctrines dear, and ingnore the Word of God.

Funny enough you don't even know the promise of God for righteous people! Psalms 37:9-11, 29 Proverbs 2:20-22; Matthew 5:5

Ọmọ heaven is not what God promised humans because that's not what God created for humans o! Psalms 115:16🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Funny enough you don't even know the promise of God for righteous people! Psalms 37:9-11, 29 Proverbs 2:20-22; Matthew 5:5

Ọmọ heaven is not what God promised humans because that's not what God created for humans o! Psalms 115:16🙂

Correct. I choose to call it heaven for now because the even the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven. Once it reaches earth, we'll call it earth.

So, forget about that and consider the core of the message. Who is going to admit you into paradise?