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FxMasterz:
Correct. I choose to call it heaven for now because the even the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven. Once it reaches earth, we'll call it earth.
So, forget about that and consider the core of the message. Who is going to admit you into paradise?

MaxInDHouse:
The Prince {Isaiah 9:6} who formed a group and said they will become a global family of peace loving worshipers {Mark 10:30 compare to Isaiah 2:4} with the group he formed he said i will recognize them by the love they have among themselves {John 13:34-35} he commanded them to preach and teach about God's Kingdom in all their neighborhood {Matthew 28:19-20} which will make their names and that of those who listen to them enter into God's memory book {Malachi 3:16} which will help honest hearted individuals know the true worshipers of God {Malachi 3:18} and whoever is not found written in the books written in God's presence {Malachi 3:16} cannot have everlasting life! Revelations 20:15

So regarding what you asked about the Governing Body Jesus appointed them to cater for his sheep {Matthew 24:45} as for that BODY Jesus said only those with sharp spiritual eyes like EAGLES can sight them and GATHER around them! Luke 17:37

This response is not for you because i'm sure you won't even check the verses out of fear so it's for honest hearted and sincere individuals who loves the truth!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
When Peter said:

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Matthew 16:16

Was he talking to a human?🙂

martinskelly:
Gentlemen, All I can deduce from all of this whole Epistles, narrations, illustrations and teaching is that some christians are self-centered/baised.
We all choose what suits us and ignore the prominent ones.
Humans will always be humans as long as you were born by an earthly parents, Angels will always be Angels of God because God himself created them and wanted them above humans, but calling Jesus Christ an angel as the same as all other Angels God created in heaven is what I don't really understand; Even the Bible explicitly stated otherwise. Please John 3:16 is enough to clear this Angels and Jesus argument you all are throwing up in this thread.

Please kindly preach the word of God to unbelievers and leave the rest to God instead of arguing what is already stated in the Bible.

Lest I forget: INDOCTRINATION is the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.


My 2cents.

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't agree it's not by force at least you know what we believe by that word "ONLY BEGOTTEN SON" you and your fellow worshipers can figure it out and apply it as you people feel.
As for us only begotten son among the angels means the only angel God created Himself {Proverbs 8:22} who assisted in the creation of other things! Colossians 1:15-16

FxMasterz:
We're not talking about a group.

blueAgent:
Yes Jesus was fully human on Earth.
That did not change his status as God's Son.

blueAgent:
You are more intrested in pleasing Man than GOD.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus talked about the group that we all need to IDENTIFY for our salvation {John 13:34-35} in the absence of that Jesus will say he doesn't know you because it's through your obedience along with his humble disciples that we can get his approval! Matthew 7:21-23

FxMasterz:
"We're not talking about a group

martinskelly:
Gentlemen, All I can deduce from all of this whole Epistles, narrations, illustrations and teaching is that some christians are self-centered/baised.
We all choose what suits us and ignore the prominent ones.
Humans will always be humans as long as you were born by an earthly parents, Angels will always be Angels of God because God himself created them and wanted them above humans, but calling Jesus Christ an angel as the same as all other Angels God created in heaven is what I don't really understand; Even the Bible explicitly stated otherwise. Please John 3:16 is enough to clear this Angels and Jesus argument you all are throwing up in this thread.

Please kindly preach the word of God to unbelievers and leave the rest to God instead of arguing what is already stated in the Bible.

Lest I forget: INDOCTRINATION is the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically.


My 2cents.

FxMasterz:
Can you show me any dictionary in which Only Begotten Son means first born?

Oga, study your Bible.
ignorance no good.


Firstborn is Greek monogenes which means "ONLY BORN." Screenshot evidence.
An Only born (begotten) son/child is the firstborn.

Oga,@ Hebrew 11:17-19, is Isaac the first born of Abraham & Sarah his wife?
Isaac is Abraham's only born (begotten) son from Sarah (Genesis 18:14).
Yes.

Jesus is his Father's only born (begotten) son.
Jehovah's first born is Jesus Christ.
Take note of the word BORN, Jesus is a creature of his Father, Yahweh.

FxMasterz:
Can you show me where it is recorded in Scriptures that the Bright and Morning Star means first born?

MaxInDHouse:
Son shows this person is one of the children and morning star means Son of God so if only begotten or bright is the remaining issue no wahala.

You can start you long epistle on that but at least we have we basic knowledge of son and morning star in the Bible! Job 38:7😂

FxMasterz:
I am a son of God too, and I am also a star. Okay?

The Only Begotten Son does not mean firstborn,
and that your heretic mind knows that clearly! He is the only One that was begotten.

Please answer fast and quick: Are the angels begotten? Apart from Jesus who is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, is there any other begotten son? Other sons may not be firstborns but they could be begotten, isn't it?

Janosky:
Oga, understand the meaning of Greek aggelos (angel, envoy, messenger) in your Bible.
Ignorance is not good.
Angel means Messenger (one sent. @ John 3:16,Jesus confirmed he is an angel.)
Jesus is an angel.
John the baptizer is an angel.
E get why....
Pls study the screenshots & use your Bible to confirm it.

tctrills:
If your first child is the only one begotten by you and the rest of your kids are not then your faithful wife has some questions to answer.

martinskelly:
Bro I only wrote what I wrote for my own clearity sake, if your own bible is telling you that Jesus is an angel that's fine with you okay! I believe what i choose to believe. My own bible did not tell me that Jesus the only begotten son of God is an ordinary Angel but all I can say to you is that Jesus Christ has all the attributes of an angel but all other Angels don't have the attributes of Jesus.

Even if you quote or mention me, I am not going to say anything other than what I have just stated above.

FxMasterz:
In a nutshell, your doctrine of Jesus being a created being is a formulated one. It has no single support in scripture.

MaxInDHouse:
It's not by force jàre so if anyone said he doesn't understand it's because such a person hasn't studied the Bible with us so we don't impose it on anyone what we believe is if you know otherwise then go out there and make disciples who will also become preachers in their neighborhood at least we all know that any religion that's unable to make such disciples is not doing what Jesus commanded! Matthew 28:19-20🙂

blueAgent:
Which dictionary, the one you wrote ?

https://www.google.com/search?q=divine+meaning&client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new&sei=ELcQabyZN8nU1sQPuZfp-Aw#ebo=0


Check the meaning of the opposite of divine, which is mortal.

Angels are not immortal an like man, their lives depend on God.

Only GOD and Jesus have Immortality inherently.

blueAgent:
That's as a man,( incarnate)his life depended on God.

But as the Son of God(pre-incarnate), he had life inherently.

1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

That is why he was the most qualified to redeem man.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
He is called eternal life for a reason.

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

No Angel have life in himself.

Janosky:
The Greek word monogenes means ONLY BORN (begotten).
Firstborn is Only Begotten, (in your Bible examples: Jesus , the widow's son & Isaac etc).
Greek word for begotten is BORN (by a Father).

tctrills:
You are right, a begotten child is one you gave birth to not one you adopted. A begotten child comes directly from you. So according to you, only your first child is begotten and the rest of your kids are b*st*rds? That's an insane take.

Janosky:
The Bible truth that JW's post on this forum has helped them to learn what the Bible really teach but they won't admit it . Many of them no know say Angel simply means Messenger (a human being or spirit being sent by our God, Jehovah). Even after reading John 7:16 & John 3:16,they still fail to get the sense of it- Jesus is an angel.

martinskelly:
Jesus Christ has all the attributes of an angel but all other Angels don't have the attributes of Jesus.

Janosky:
Your false claim fits that adjective.
Tctrills, what do you gain from making false claims?
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FxMasterz:
But you said there's only one Firstborn, isn't it? How's Israel also a firstborn? Did God create Israel directly too?

Janosky:
That is the point Jesus made about himself @ John 5:26 .


John 5:26 .
For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
Jesus was given life by Jehovah God ,Rev 3:14


You have not proven anything.

Of course parents give life and existence to their children.
God gave life and existence to his son Jesus.
Can any Angel or Man claim to have life in himself?


Jesus has taught you that John 6:46 & 1 Tim 6:16 does refers to his Father,Jehovah whom no man has ever seen.
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blueAgent:
Where did I state that john6:46 and 1Tim6:16 refers to Jesus?
You can see from those verses that only GOD has Immortality, No Angel or Man has Immortality.
Jesus been the Literal offspring and only begotten of GOD has Immortality inherently, having inherited it from his father, GOD.

Janosky:
You know & I know that Matthew 27:46,50 is in your Bible (not deleted).