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aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

It is probably the other way round.
"American awards" need popular African musicians to boost their image and give themselves a global reputation.

bad belly people , how many grammys has Nigerians won......?

Sure, trust Nigerians corruption at play. We influence and monetize everything. Nigerians are too despite for any good thing.

Kemetian:
Ghanaians have had enough of Nigeria dominating everything.

They're now asking whether it's only Nigerians that are in Africa, for them to be winning all the Grammy awards and nominations.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-wo_jTrYyU

panpan:
It is probably the other way round.
"American awards" need popular African musicians to boost their image and give themselves a global reputation.

They are focused on business
My question is why some people think it is an opportunity for Diss exchanges between Ghana and Nigeria
Not a few people even on this thread feel Validated by a Grammy and think that gives them bragging rights over Ghana

My point is manifold

Best African music category implies there is ONE music genre in Africa
This is wrong even among the Yoruba we have over 10 genres
Not to talk of Nigeria

Just imagine if every year there was a Best Nigerian music award in London and the we have Yoruba and Igbos dissing each other about it?
Is there any basis to compare Igbo and Yoruba music? They are different

They have categories Reggae, Classic, Pop, Country, Jazz etc in America one country but we in Africa are just African Music

Why should we accept that?

Anything that causes beef among us Africans should be called out

They can nominate Africans to compete with the world no problem

But they cannot determine what is the best music out of Africa

What happened with Tyler and Water was pure business and very disrespectful to Africans

They are trying synthetically to create an African superstar that is not too black that they can sell to white people
A new Rihanna
Maybe Tems is too black

With AI it will not take 10 years before they appropriate it all and kick Africans out if you don't wake up

Kemetian:
I don't even know why Ghanaians should be comparing themselves to Nigeria.

Their sheer audacity is what gets to me.

No be their fault na..shebi na we dey disgrace ourselves everywhere

Very annoying set of people! They envy Nigerians at every given opportunity.

Na that nonsense wey them dey sing they want use nominate them

aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

Really good question.

aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

It shall be well with you for this comment.

I had an argument this year about the Grammy awards and how it has become so small for the type of material that is coming out of Africa and deeper Europe like Luxembourg and Switzerland. As a matter of fact, it has become tooooooooooooooooooo small to accommodate American music.

Africa needs to quit the shenanigans and try to address this issue. We have become too big for the grammies.

Maybe they should go submit themselves for some Diddy oil servicing.

aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

.... but that's where the real money is made, the cheapest ticket for his show in the US is about #100k.

aribisala0:
Which mentality? Please articulate your thoughts
I am not a mind reader
On which date did World standard become Grammy? There are over 2 billion people in China and India are they signed up to that standard?
You are colonised in your mind and proud of it

I prefer my Yoruba language music and Grammy is not a standard for Yoruba music and can never be a standard for African music, fir Chinese , Indian or Hausa music

The mentality of "What is our business with Grammy?" simply because it did not originate from you. There is a Miss Universe that has always been headquartered in NYC, yet all countries send reps and it doesn't stop us from having our own.

So you get the point: nothing stops us from having our own while at same time participating in what the world participates in. If we decide "what is our business with OLYMPICS?" because it is not native to us and does not include some of our traditional games, who loses? WE OURSELVES, nobody else!

AllBlack:
It shall be well with you for this comment.

I had an argument this year about the Grammy awards and how it has become so small for the type of material that is coming out of Africa and deeper Europe like Luxembourg and Switzerland. As a matter of fact, it has become tooooooooooooooooooo small to accommodate American music.

Africa needs to quit the shenanigans and try to address this issue. We have become too big for the grammies.

Not only Grammys, you have become too big for Olympics, Miss Universe, UN, the Dollar, Oscar's best foreign fillm, Nobel Prize, etc.
Get the point? Nothing stops you from having your own while participating in the world standard (while working to right any wrongs in the Grammys or even taking it over - which is possible in capitalist America). But if you refuse to participate, you are the one that loses.
aribisala0 doesn't know what he's talking about!

WizardOfNG:
What are you talking about? You've brought your usual clannish and tribalistic outlook to a thread that is about Nigeria and non-Nigerians. Not ethnic groups within Nigeria.

Must you people always be so ethnocentric and divisive? What is wrong with you?

You asked a question and still answered your own question from your tribal viewpoint of everything, though tribe wasn’t mentioned. You see your life?

aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

Bro, this isn't a problem, or Americans determining the best African music. It's just an international recognition of African music.

givedemwotowoto:
You asked a question and still answered your own question from your tribal viewpoint of everything, though tribe wasn’t mentioned. You see your life?

I don't have time for your pedantism. Grow up.

aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

Let's be realistic. Have you ever felt a need to travel and further ur education? Do you rely on foreign tools/softwares/instruments to do your daily task?, the car you drive is it made in Africa?.

European own everything broski. Sad reality even d system of government u run, d cloths u wear etc.

They set the standards Africans follow sadly but truthfully so

aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

Africans don't celebrate nor appreciate their very own. That's why Headies award had to go to Atlanta, Georgia just for image and recognition sake.

Nelochukwu:
Let's be realistic. Have you ever felt a need to travel and further ur education? Do you rely on foreign tools/softwares/instruments to do your daily task?, the car you drive is it made in Africa?.

European own everything broski. Sad reality even d system of government u run, d cloths u wear etc.

They set the standards Africans follow sadly but truthfully so

That’s how you see these things


Whatever


Both you and those complaining about Davido Wiz Burna getting Grammys gotta rest


You got grammy or not

You stay you

However, every award shows the organizers consider you worthy of the awards

Stop comparing awards


Just take them as one of things they organize


Whatever you consider as criteria for rating or appreciating artists is your case

aribisala0:
[b]You said Korean musicians were nominated
Please educate me for what categor[/b]y
You said Sunny Ade was nominated
Again educate me for what category
I have no problem with Nigerians nominated for World music awards
Let them compete with everyone else

My problem is with the category

Best African Music Performance
It is new and it is disrespectful

African music is too broad too diverse to be reduced to one award
Because certain categories especially those that don't use English will never win and they will be slowly killed

They have pop ,country, rap, classic , jazz , folk etc in America
They would not accept Best American so why should we accept Best African?

We have even more categories than they do
We have drumming categories alone

All the nominations are electronic
They don't play African instruments

It should be clear to anyone with pride we need our own awards with at least 10 categories

That is my point

Talking About hatred for America is gratuitous insolence
You don't need that on this topic

BTS has been nominated for various individual categories like best video,best pop but, never won.
Think they have the most nominations from k pop.
Even when gangman style came and dominated the airwaves as the most popular song of the year, psy never won.

They will never allow Asians and Africans win those popular categories though they merited it.


I understand where you are coming from.

The same with Nigerian movie producers wanting to produce for Netflix until majority of them snobbed Netflix and took things by their hand and start promoting their movies through YouTube channels.

They make more money,has more views and is the single highest employer of labour presently in Nigeria.
And we are proud of them. We watch them to promote them. Nigerian musicians are yet to come to that realisation. Whe they do, they willfind out they do not need America to soar.

China is a typical example. They are even challenging Netflix and their movie industry has billions of views for dramas. I relate with their dramas more than Hollywood so I stopped subscribing for Netflix and concentrated on Asia and naija. Period.
Africans have that inferiority complex especially west africa cos other parts of Africa no send. I live abroad and I can boldly tell you that a Zimbabwean and the rest of them are not ready to change their accent for anything. When you see a Nigerian abroad you will know even if na last 2 days he show.

Good will bless You. This kind of thinking will liberate Africa soon.

aribisala0:
The real problem is why Africans think they need Americans to determine awards for best African Music

Nelochukwu:
Let's be realistic. Have you ever felt a need to travel and further ur education? Do you rely on foreign tools/softwares/instruments to do your daily task?, the car you drive is it made in Africa?.

European own everything broski. Sad reality even d system of government u run, d cloths u wear etc.

They set the standards Africans follow sadly but truthfully so

In your mind you think you are making sense? What is the connection between using a car and what I wrote
So because I use cars and software I should start marrying men? I must copy everything?
If you have nothing to say keep quiet
Your analogies are silly

DiarisGodoo:
Not only Grammys, you have become too big for Olympics, Miss Universe, UN, the Dollar, Oscar's best foreign fillm, Nobel Prize, etc.
Get the point? Nothing stops you from having your own while participating in the world standard (while working to right any wrongs in the Grammys or even taking it over - which is possible in capitalist America). But if you refuse to participate, you are the one that loses.
aribisala0 doesn't know what he's talking about!

Your last statement is the only purpose you wrote all this trash.
Talk about the Olympics if you choose, I restrict my comment and scope to the the Grammy alone for a reason.
Feel free to add rowing competitions if you wish.

aribisala0:
Do you understand English?
Is there any award in Africa for best European or best American music?
What is our business with Grammy

Maybe you need more understanding as well & I have a feeling that you might be a Ghanian.

Let me school a bit for you to understand, the Grammy award can be liking to the fifa World Cup, so can you now ask why can’t Africa play is own World Cup replica and shun fifa World Cup?

After just as we have Afcon so there UEFA cup and so is Africa music award and Grammy . So stop the hate .

ZaddyJ:
Maybe you need more understanding as well & I have a feeling that you might be a Ghanian.

Let me school a bit for you to understand, the Grammy award can be liking to the fifa World Cup, so can you now ask why can’t Africa play is own World Cup replica and shun fifa World Cup?

After just as we have Afcon so there UEFA cup and so is Africa music award and Grammy . So stop the hate .

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aribisala0:
In your mind you think you are making sense? What is the connection between using a car and what I wrote
So because I use cars and software I should start marrying men? I must copy everything?
If you have nothing to say keep quiet
Your analogies are silly

Ok I think the truth pricks you. My point is that u cannot be selective in freedom. It's not Africans that will judge African music but the world. Make your points without insulting. Be mature and put together

Nelochukwu:
Ok I think the truth pricks you. My point is that u cannot be selective in freedom. It's not Africans that will judge African music but the world. Make your points without insulting. Be mature and put together

Make your points without quoting me
Dey your lane

DiarisGodoo:
The mentality of "What is our business with Grammy?" simply because it did not originate from you. There is a Miss Universe that has always been headquartered in NYC, yet all countries send reps and it doesn't stop us from having our own.

So you get the point: nothing stops us from having our own while at same time participating in what the world participates in. If we decide "what is our business with OLYMPICS?" because it is not native to us and does not include some of our traditional games, who loses? WE OURSELVES, nobody else!

Before I respond I have not come to you to sell my opinion
So talking about people and their mentality when they express an opinion indicates a tendency to bullying
My opinion is my opinion keep your opinion and let me keep mine

No that is not the mentality at all
Clearly you did not comprehend my point

My point has been repeated ad nauseum
It is not appropriate to put all of African music into one category with one award
There are fewer people in America than Africa fewer genres than even in Nigeria and they. have multiple award categories for their own music
All the award winners are signed to American labels
It is impossible to overlook that
Can anybody not signed to an American label win?

They don't have anything like Best American Act
Even in Nigeria we have Fuji , juju Highlife, Apala Ogene etc
It is not appropriate to talk of Best Nigerian Act
Not to talk of the whole of Africa
No doubt there are dozens of genres in Africa that we Don't even know about

Culture is very different from Olympics
You put 2 or more people on a track and the first to cross the line wins so Olympic is a silly comparison
Music in Africa is very spiritual and sacred It is not a game
In Yoruba land some drums are beat once a year. Or less frequently
We should not sell our culture for cheap baubles

Culture and Art should bring friendship not animosity

That we have an individual think it is a good idea to create a thread to Diss Ghana is evidence that the award does not serve us

Just like they have award ceremony recognising and celebrating multiple genres in their country so should we in Nigeria and other African countries that is my mindset

We are not participating in the Grammys it is a form of affirmative action award that divides us
In this era of AI we need to be very vigilant
The Grammys is an award with very strong commercial control

Tyler Grammy Award was very synthetic
I liked the song Water but there is nothing African about it
That cannot be the best African song any day

AllBlack:
Your last statement is the only purpose you wrote all this trash.
Talk about the Olympics if you choose, I restrict my comment and scope to the the Grammy alone for a reason.
Feel free to add rowing competitions if you wish.

aribisala0:
Before I respond I have not come to you to sell my opinion
So talking about people and their mentality when they express an opinion indicates a tendency to bullying
My opinion is my opinion keep your opinion and let me keep mine

No that is not the mentality at all
Clearly you did not comprehend my point

My point has been repeated ad nauseum
It is not appropriate to put all of African music into one category with one award
There are fewer people in America than Africa fewer genres than even in Nigeria and they. have multiple award categories

They don't have anything like Best American Act
Even in Nigeria we have Fuji , juju Highlife, Apala Ogene etc
It is not appropriate to talk of Best Nigerian Act
Not to talk of the whole of Africa
No doubt there are dozens of genres in Africa that we Don't even know about

Culture is very different from Olympics
You put 2 or more people on a track and the first to cross the line wins so Olympic is a silly comparison
Music in Africa is very spiritual and sacred It is not a game
In Yoruba land some drums are beat once a year. Or less frequently
We should not sell our culture for cheap baubles

Culture and Art should bring friendship not animosity

That we have an individual think it is a good idea to create a thread to Diss Ghana is evidence that the award does not serve us

Just like they have award ceremony recognising and celebrating multiple genres in their country so should we in Nigeria and other African countries that is my mindset

We are not participating in the Grammys it is a form of affirmative action award that divides us
In this era of AI we need to be very vigilant
The Grammys is an award with very strong commercial control

Tyler Grammy Award was very synthetic
I liked the song Water but there is nothing African about it
That cannot be the best African song any day

I think the problem is that you two think the Grammys is controlled by the govt. IT IS A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE! It can be bought and sold, influenced and changed!
It is like saying you'd no longer participate in sexiest man alive. or man of the year, or the dollar. These are ESTABLISHED things. No one prevents you from trying to also establish your own - while still participating in it! Best thing is try to change it or buy it - like the Thai company that bought US-founded Miss Universe pageant!
Imagine if instead Thailand had pulled out!

WizardOfNG:
Ghanaians cannot understand that it is the diversity of Nigeria that makes Nigerian artist outstanding talents in comparison to others.

Like someone said above, we should cherish that diversity that challenges and inspire Nigerians.

see theory
Where was this diversity when Tiny Jamaica dominated the air waves
Nigeria.does not have more outstanding talent than Ghana
Winning or not winning Grammy is not proof of talent or lack of it
It is proof of business acumen , and financial support
A very good example is Tyler
Is she the best talented female in Africa or even South Africa?
She is a manufactured star
It will be possible in less than 5 years to manufacture AI stars with African characters


Ghana like every other African country is brimming with talent
That doesn't guarantee commercial success
Let us not allow Grammy to create unnecessary gloating,division or pride among African people