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triplechoice:
Don't just decide based on what I have said here.

Do extensive research on your own about the organisation. Ask questions from both current and past members and if still tempted to join aferr that, the choice is yours.

Prudoh, don't join any organisation, especially one that demands subscription.

A lot of books are available for free now, so read those first to inform you. And learn from my own mother's koboko please.

triplechoice:
When I used my personal experiences to argue that the concepts of the soul, reincarnation and the phenomenon of NDE are true, even if not yet scientifically proven, others like Lordreed and Unknownunknown criticised and mocked me as well. While their comments were harsh, I was not as offended because they came from a place of sincere disbelief.

Can you quote where I mocked you on the topic of NDEs?

LordReed:
Can you quote where I mocked you on the topic of NDEs?

No. Mockery isn't the right word. It was Unknownunkown who was fully involved in that.

What you did was to question and not mock some of the things I discussed in the " Mind and Matter thread.

My apologies for dragging you into this.

triplechoice:
No. Mockery isn't the right word. It was Unknownunkown who was fully involved in that.

What you did was to question and not mock some of the things I discussed in the " Mind and Matter thread.

My apologies for dragging you into this.

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From what you wrote, one must fear you for your memory and conclude that you should be a private investigator.

budaatum:
Sleeping dogs lie, lol. Greetings, Triple,

Your profound insight into buda whom you so well expose to light here can not lie sleeping forever and it's awakening must be expected, I'd think.

On the bold. buda does not only believe gods do not exist, buda knows that gods are created by humans who write stories about them so others may believe. Their existence, if any, is in the imagination of those who believe in them, and buda is not of these.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

On "serious contradictions". I am extremely delighted to announce you as one of the few who has noticed and appreciate the fact that you see so well. May more use their senses like you use yours.

The below is AI. Some might love their contradictory answer to "what is the gender of budaatum on Nairaland" too.

Answers on postcards please.

Your reply perfectly demonstrates the evasion and deception I described. You completely ignored every point I raised about your hypocrisy regarding Amorc , and instead constructed a strawman debate about the existence of gods , a topic I never discussed.

Let me be clear. I didn't accuse you of believing in God ,but accused you of being a paying member of a counterfeit esoteric order that teaches about the soul and spiritual consciousness, while you pretended to be an atheist to mock others for exploring those same concepts

Your use of AI to celebrate your "contradictions" is not only irrelevant but also misguided. A Chatbot is not a human being with the awareness to understand context or discern intentional philosophy from simple dishonesty.

The issue isn't about complex philosophy or confusion about gender , it's about a simple act of dishonesty: presenting one Identity to your audience while hiding another that contradicts it.

You can hide behind Grok and ChatGPT analyses and theological discussions all you like, but you cannot change the fact that you were caught being hypocritical and deceptive. You have yet to offer a single sincere word in response to that accusation

I am not going to be drawn into the side - tracks and mazes you created to avoided this simple truth

DeepSight:
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From what you wrote, one must fear you for your memory and conclude that you should be a private investigator.

I have been here long enough to know that Buda is pretending to be someone he is not.

The evidence I dug out, something I don't normally like to do, clearly exposed him. But he then deleted the entire thread containing his post even aferr acknowledging that he created it

Honesty, I don't really care about his pretences, so long as he doesn't extend them to me.

And consider this: After our heated exchange in June 2023 , we have had several amicable conversations on other issues without any problem or revisiting the old issue.

Now,, this is November 2025. He has resurrected this same old issue, which I thought we had both moved past, as if it just happened yesterday. He's questioning me angrily about something that's clearly bothering him.

He was the one who disrespected and offended me in the past. But now he wants to use the emotional story about his mother to present himself as the victim and frame me as the aggressor

Which Kain tin be dis now?

triplechoice:
I have been here long enough to know that Buda is pretending to be someone he is not.

The evidence I dug out, something I don't normally like to do, clearly exposed him. But he then deleted the entire thread containing his post even aferr acknowledging that he created it

Honesty, I don't really care about his pretences, so long as he doesn't extend them to me.

And consider this: After our heated exchange in June 2023 , we have had several amicable conversations on other issues without any problem or revisiting the old issue.

Now,, this is November 2025. He has resurrected this same old issue, which I thought we had both moved past, as if it just happened yesterday. He's questioning me angrily about something that's clearly bothering him.

He was the one who disrespected and offended me in the past. But now he wants to use the emotional story about his mother to present himself as the victim and frame me as the aggressor

Which Kain tin be dis now?

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Interesting.

Well, I dont know, and it doesnt concern me, I only found the way you detailed your past interesting because I recall you also raised the antecedents of one discussant I was attempting to discuss some philosophical/ existential matters with. The AI guy I think.

Budaatum with me, has simply been one of those posters who has been balanced in many such discussions.

A001:
I consider posts praising Qur'an and/or the Bible as silly and such a poster as a stupid African.

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Indeed I relate very well with this.

However I will have to add that not everyone has the same capacities, inclinations or tendencies and for some people, the religion of their birth is all they will ever attempt or consider - nonetheless, if they are able to pick some enlightenment from such religions (which for me should end at picking out the verses advocating love and light and positive growth), then fine. But to subscribe wholly to all the fairy tales told therein is just lazy. Not to speak of to defend the abominations and atrocities therein.

As you know, I fundamentally agree with your statement here. I have just learnt to leave those fair-minded moderate religionists who truly espouse love and goodwill to all alone. No need to stress them with further learning which they may not be interested in. Most members of these religions by the way NEVER read their scripture.

I will generally estimate seriously that 98 per cent or more of modern Christians have never read the bible start to finish and NEVER will. Most will even only ever see verses here and there as a quote. The proportion of Muslims who have read (or recited) the quoran (or translations of it - I refer to a distinction you pointed out) though, I would estimate higher for certain reasons - not that I conclude that a majority have.

A001:
Actually millions do, as Africa is regarded by most people as the most backward continent in the world. It's the least developed continent in the world because it has stupid people in high numbers, more than any other continent.

These are facts backed by data. Data doesn't care about your emotions.

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I would not say our people are the most stupid. In fact developments in the west today testify to even greater mass stupidity in many respects. What I would say is we are not as advanced yet in many things for many factors, which include accidents of history, climate, trade. geography, timing, and many many many more. I dont think its that we are simply genetically more stupid.

Please dont forget that the whole of Europe was mass burning women as witches in hundreds of thousands barely five hundred years ago and it continued till as late as about three hundred years ago which is nothing in timelines.

triplechoice:
Don't just decide based on what I have said here.

Do extensive research on your own about the organisation. Ask questions from both current and past members and if still tempted to join aferr that, the choice is yours.

Alright, thanks for this advice.

budaatum:
Prudoh, don't join any organisation, especially one that demands subscription.

A lot of books are available for free now, so read those first to inform you. And learn from my own mother's koboko please.

Thanks for the advice.

triplechoice:
Let me be clear. I didn't accuse you of believing in God ,but accused you of being a paying member of a counterfeit esoteric order that teaches about the soul and spiritual consciousness, while you pretended to be an atheist to mock others for exploring those same concepts.

First, you are the only one who accuses me of pretending to be an atheist. You can either take my word, or read my posts for evidence, or believe whatever you want about buda. All please me.

Second, I have provided you with anecdotes for you to inform yourself whether I am a paying member of Amorc or not. I'll even add to the story.

Over the years of 1960-73, and 79-86, my father, whom my mother paid dues for his membership of Amorc in UK, collected quite a lot of Amorc magazines and manuscripts which he guided dearly, not letting anyone touch them. But in 2014, he called a cousin of mine, they poured petrol on them and burnt them all.

I arrived home a month later to spend time with him, and found out and was livid. I told my father that that was likely the largest collection of Amorc stuff in the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun if not Osun State, and I am his first child and, "you burnt the only inheritance you have to pass on to me!"

"I did not know you were interested in them", he said, which infuriated me even more since I'd bought him some rare books by Spencer Lewis in the past. My father died in 2016 and left me no inheritance.

Regarding your "he is the one who disrespected and offended me in the past", this is Nairaland where you can be offended and disrespected almost every post. A thick skin helps.

Now, regarding this thread itself, which I started and called The Mission, and which you have attempted to turn into an 'antiAmorc buda' thread. Do know that it is a long term mission, and you should have minded what you said in it in its embryonic stage so it doesn't come back to ruffle you if that's what it does now. I opened it for a mission, and it will be resurrected and will endure till I die.

Now, the last bit, "teaches about the soul and spiritual consciousness", indeed Amorc does do that, and I have posted numerous books where they talk of it being done, but that consciousness should make one understand one's limits, and that anything Amorc or anyone or organisation says should not be believed but understood, and you definitely should not pay subscriptions for it because most of their stuff is now free.

The image below is to manipulate and confuse, and is a test for the mind of the reader. Be warned!

triplechoice:
I have been here long enough to know that Buda is pretending to be someone he is not.

The evidence I dug out, something I don't normally like to do, clearly exposed him. But he then deleted the entire thread containing his post even aferr acknowledging that he created it

Honesty, ......

Triple, buda has never deleted a post or thread by buda, and you saying buda deleted a post or thread by buda without showing any evidence that buda deleted a post or thread is itself evidence of something.

Every single evidence about buda that you claimed you posted which includes a quote of buda, I presume, is still here for everyone to read for themselves. All you have to do is post a link to you first pointing it out, and letting them go see if buda has deleted it.

budaatum:
Prudoh, don't join any organisation, especially one that demands subscription.

A lot of books are available for free now, so read those first to inform you. And learn from my own mother's koboko please.

What is your mother's koboko

DeepSight:
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Indeed I relate very well with this.

However I will have to add that not everyone has the same capacities, inclinations or tendencies and for some people, the religion of their birth is all they will ever attempt or consider - nonetheless, if they are able to pick some enlightenment from such religions (which for me should end at picking out the verses advocating love and light and positive growth), then fine. But to subscribe wholly to all the fairy tales told therein is just lazy. Not to speak of to defend the abominations and atrocities therein.

I feel that is what triplechoice accuses me of. I quote and write about Amorc, and he assumes one must "subscribe wholly". It's like assuming that all those who quote Bible are Christians or Muslims if they quote the Quran. What are we if we quote Shakespeare, I wonder.

That said, A001 specifically said, "posts praising Qur'an and/or the Bible", so let me.

These are likely the 2 most read books in Nigeria, if not the world, so I praise them for their ubiquity, and for lasting so long, for that is a feat in itself.

I'll also praise them for their contradictory content, because nothing creates doubt in them than that, and I praise them for the subjects they cover, some being mythology, fabuology, pseudo-history, and moreso manipulativeness, to name only a few negatives while disregarding positives if any. For I find it amusingly disturbing at how so easily it turns people into naked ignorant slaves instead of images of their gods, and delight at how it can also so easily be used for it's inverse.

As a side. I bought Aesop Fables for my 7 year old niece because I have lots of praise for it. It's a big book, so it's unlikely she'd have the opportunity to be lazy.

Meedon:
What is your mother's koboko

It's a six headed whip made from cow leather that my mother was very adept at using.

budaatum:
It's a six headed whip made from cow leather that my mother was very adept at using.

So she used it to flog you

Meedon:
So she used it to flog you

Yes she did. Even when you done nothing wrong sometimes. There was a time she was frustrated having to bring up her 5 kids by herself and wasn't coping well.

Now you make me think, Meedon, it's likely her who brought me up an atheist. After my dad and his Amorc obsession, her mantra was more "from the sweat of thy brow shall you eat" than, "manna from heaven", and no gods saved us from that koboko. So I bought a dog, lol. It loved chewing the leather and saved me a lot.

budaatum:
Yes she did. Even when you done nothing wrong sometimes. There was a time she was frustrated having to bring up her 5 kids by herself and wasn't coping well.

Now you make me think, Meedon, it's likely her who brought me up an atheist. After my dad and his Amorc obsession, her mantra was more "from the sweat of thy brow shall you eat" than, "manna from heaven", and no gods saved us from that koboko. So I bought a dog, lol. It loved chewing the leather and saved me a lot.

Omo so your mum was an atheist. This shows that a child upbringing determines the religion he or she will follow.

Meedon:
Omo so your mum was an atheist. This shows that a child upbringing determines the religion he or she will follow.

My mum was not an atheist. Both my parents were Anglican born and bred, and attended Saint John's Primary School where they taught them to read the Bible from the beginning to the end. And that was I brought up with, or rather, was kobokorised into us her children. She had a three headed one in those early days.

That said, I do somewhat agree that "child upbringing determines the religion he or she will follow", though there are millions of exceptions, as many do not continue to follow their parents religion as many atheists here will confirm.

My maternal great great grandfather, for instance, was born into Ifa and sent his son to learn Islam when they arrived in the Orolu Kingdom with a book. My great grandfather sent his son to the Anglican school when they arrived because they had a book, and my grandfather did the same with my mother. For as far as they were concerned, a book is Ifa, and Ifa is the Word of God. Mother though, being a nurse who worked shifts to feed mouths, never had time for church or routine, so the disciplined aspect of learning to read was compensated with koboko, sadly, but that meant my reading was not corrupted with jump around the book that Christians often practise, thank the Gods.

My paternal great grand father was Basorun, the King of all the Heavens over the Orolu Kingdom - at least. We are arrogant like that - and I think my father was looking for ways to king the heavens. Lol. After all, "In the beginning was the Word", and "not by bread alone", so he too read, a lot, seeking the Way.

So in all honesty, you are correct in saying, my child upbringing determined that the religion I will follow will be 'book reading', or it at least used to be since my eyes work no more so I hardly get to finish a book these days.

I think my reading was about god hunting, which I've exhausted, so let's say my past religion was hunting for understanding, which I religiously did till I understood, at least to the extent that I do, for that's what the word "god" signifies, to me.

I add the below to antagonise the sight of deep.

triplechoice:
But he then deleted the entire thread containing his post even aferr acknowledging that he created it

Regarding the above. buda does not have the powers to delete an entire thread. Saying that though, this buda thread was made to disappear!



https://www.nairaland.com/8511650/nairalands-bot-out-control/7#137438153

budaatum:
My mum was not an atheist. Both my parents were Anglican born and bred, and attended Saint John's Primary School where they taught them to read the Bible from the beginning to the end. And that was I brought up with, or rather, was kobokorised into us her children. She had a three headed one in those early days.

That said, I do somewhat agree that "child upbringing determines the religion he or she will follow", though there are millions of exceptions, as many do not continue to follow their parents religion as many atheists here will confirm.

My maternal great great grandfather, for instance, was born into Ifa and sent his son to learn Islam when they arrived in the Orolu Kingdom with a book. My great grandfather sent his son to the Anglican school when they arrived because they had a book, and my grandfather did the same with my mother. For as far as they were concerned, a book is Ifa, and Ifa is the Word of God. Mother though, being a nurse who worked shifts to feed mouths, never had time for church or routine, so the disciplined aspect of learning to read was compensated with koboko, sadly, but that meant my reading was not corrupted with jump around the book that Christians often practise, thank the Gods.

My paternal great grand father was Basorun, the King of all the Heavens over the Orolu Kingdom - at least. We are arrogant like that - and I think my father was looking for ways to king the heavens. Lol. After all, "In the beginning was the Word", and "not by bread alone", so he too read, a lot, seeking the Way.

So in all honesty, you are correct in saying, my child upbringing determined that the religion I will follow will be 'book reading', or it at least used to be since my eyes work no more so I hardly get to finish a book these days.

I think my reading was about god hunting, which I've exhausted, so let's say my past religion was hunting for understanding, which I religiously did till I understood, at least to the extent that I do, for that's what the word "god" signifies, to me.

I add the below to antagonise the sight of deep.

About your eyes, is it too much reading that caused it sorry to ask

Meedon:
About your eyes, is it too much reading that caused it sorry to ask

Most likely my mind, to be honest. And what I read. Though my eyes aren't what they used to be, I confess.

There were days I could read for hours non-stop, but more and more my mind has gotten in the way to further consider what my eyes see. My eyes just want to look while my mind wants to see for itself how it looks, and determine what might be meant and what it could be used for. It's like they at war. Frustrating when there's lots of questions on a page.

My reading is somewhat hard too, I think. Lately, it's been Kant. I've started from when he believed and before he started using his mind so I can read his more mature Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals, having just recently finished Being and Time which has taken me ......... I'm letting you work out and tell.

Screw all that. I'm just lazy these days is true too.

budaatum:
Most likely my mind, to be honest. And what I read. Though my eyes aren't what they used to be, I confess.

There were days I could read for hours non-stop, but more and more my mind has gotten in the way to further consider what my eyes see. My eyes just want to look while my mind wants to see for itself how it looks, and determine what might be meant and what it could be used for. It's like they at war. Frustrating when there's lots of questions on a page.

My reading is somewhat hard too, I think. Lately, it's been Kant. I've started from when he believed and before he started using his mind so I can read his more mature Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals, having just recently finished Being and Time which has taken me ......... I'm letting you work out and tell.

Screw all that. I'm just lazy these days is true too.

Going by your response your eyes are perfectly okay.

Have you read Arthur Schopenhauer's books?

Meedon:
Going by your response your eyes are perfectly okay.

Have you read Arthur Schopenhauer's books?

My poor eyes!

I did come across Schopenhauer in my Buddhism studies years ago but haven't yet read any of his books.

Have you?

budaatum:
My poor eyes!

I did come across Schopenhauer in my Buddhism studies years ago but haven't yet read any of his books.

Have you?

I tried to read The World as Will and Representation by Arthur Schopenhauer, but I quit half way.

Meedon:
I tried to read The World as Will and Representation by Arthur Schopenhauer, but I quit half way.

Why did you quit? Was it too hard to understand or did you not like it?

budaatum:
Why did you quit? Was it too hard to understand or did you not like it?

It was so grammatical. I mean too much grammar for an average Nigerian to comprehend.

Meedon:
It was so grammatical. I mean too much grammar for an average Nigerian to comprehend.

Yeah, Heidegger was hard reading too, being German to English translations. But the German depth of thought is phenomenal and make it worth the time and effort. Just trying to comprehend makes one grow, I find.

I'd usually jump on for "average Nigerian", but truth is we are not trained from young to read these sort of books, and so we struggle. In fact, I'd argue we are in primary one of book reading, and our abcd book is our Bible and Quran. I can't wait for us to improve and read a lot more.

I could not read Being and Time, and had to listen to it instead. My mind would wonder of course, but I could have each section read to me as many times as I want, and at least 12 times for each hour of Heidegger. I think I've let him program my mind, even though I'm still trying to figure his Dasein, but I'm at least aware of his Das Man. Funny that both words and the entire book in fact, are connected to bread for me only because one of those hours was always while I made my weekly bread.

I might slog through the physical book one day but doubt it considering how many other authors there are. Perhaps another one of his instead.

So, Triplechoice, I got in touch with the mods to unhide evidence, and they have kindly obliged.

https://www.nairaland.com/post/137430304

I've added a link to the book to the thread as previous links don't quite work.

https://www.rosicrucian.org/rosicrucian-books-the-mystical-life-of-jesus

If you find a thread you believe budaatum has deleted as you claim, please let me know so I can contact the mods for hiding my threads.

And please let us know if any one asks you or anyone else to pay. Especially if they ask you to pay buda, whom I promise to compel to give refunds!

Your internet detox is more serious than I thought.
Hope all's good with you.

kkins25:
Goodness gracious, buda the 33rd degree freemason.. I wonder, what coven are thou from?

Freemasons were bricklayers, stone carvers, and construction workers of the ancient days you know? @Triplechoice.

Ah, reminds me one a novei l read once, unfortunately, i cant find the book. It was a beautiful book!! I was reading it beside the ocean too. The ocean never failed to mirror the glory of the heavens, which made the reading experience sort of trance-like. If only i could remember its name. My damn memory.
It was a novel that showed the cruelty of Christendom and their romance with kings. It was centered around building cathedrals. Ahmm.. some mason was the center of the story..