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This one eye just dey clear.

basilico:
He is a white and most whites are racist.

I'm not sure if blanket statements like this are true or helpful.

Please, I know there is pressure to instinctively denounce WP and deliver a token nod to their "waycism" - so as not to be labelled a cocoon. And as we all know, if you don’t, in their heads, conversation over, they win.

Please, let’s not. Let’s not be intimidated by the weak and, the feeble, the hateful and the self-loathing. Let’s not feed the insecurities and neuroses of those who need the comfort blanket of victimhood to feel any sense self-esteem or worth. But most of all, let’s not hold WP to a higher standard than we hold others. Let’s not be hypocritical.

You left your countries, you abandoned your homelands. You swapped wholesale governmental malfeasance, deep rooted tribal bigotry and wanton sectarian bloodshed, for more ordered, more benevolent societies.

Amongst a host of other pathologies, mass sectarian slaughter is effectively normalised in your country. Do you call them or it out? Do you name names? You even excuse or cheerlead it.

Much dissembling on the UK immigrant thread – not even being able to call it what it is. But calling out bus drivers and powerless fringe players for waycism demonstrates your bona fides as oh so virtuous and brave.

Please take care around road-sweepers, there’s waycism in that there refuse. Oh, and be extra vigilant around supermarket check-out workers, lest they slip a pack of “30% extra free” waycism in your trolleys unseen. And don’t forget to renew your membership of the “we’ll burn it down if we can’t turn it into a s-hole like our country of origin gang”. Afterall, colonialism, because...waycism. How do you live free expressive lives with that mindset?

Ilhan Omar left war-torn Somalia and rocked up to the good ole’ US of A. Not even a generation in and she’s in the house. Likewise Ayaan Hirsi Ali – wound up in the Dutch Parliament. In most European countries there are ethnic and minority lawmakers.

In the UK we have a number of non-native born sitting as MPs, some openly sectarian. And more interested in diverting our resources to far-flung corners of the globe. Please, which non-white or roper country would permit that?

Of course if you can demonstrate how most WP are waycist and, detail that metric against the waycism of any of demographic, I’d be happy to see it. It would be great if we could show the outworking of waycism in quantifiable terms, and, against the outcomes of other bigotries or prejudices.

Yes, I agree, WP are waycist, but so are you. And in fact, palpably more so. And at least WP for the most part are taking practical steps to redress disparities. BP are viewed as little more than vermin by some in China. You hthink Hay-rabs love and cherish Nabils and Abdis?

Here in the UK, Indian shopkeepers would literally drop your change into your outstretched hand – apparently wary of touching the darkie. I didn’t realise until it was pointed out to me.

Inherent suspicion of the other and wariness around outsiders – especially where cultural and societal practices are markedly different or seen as backward, is human – even if base. And that’s not an excuse – especially if you take steps to ameliorate it.

There is no discussion, if it all boils down to is "WP evil, BP good". Take a snapshot of all the oppression against BP in the world today and see where it emanates from. Perhaps don’t, lest you be disabused.

I mean, let’s at least be fair. WP are waycist, but they are not very good at it are they? Welcoming to asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, a catalogue of official visas, pathways to citizenship, social housing, welfare benefits, DEI coming out of every orifice, programs galore - all of which are routinely abused.

Minorities as presidents, presidential candidates, party leaders, home secretary, foreign secretary, justice minister, lawmakers, blue-chip CEOs. Like BP avail themselves of in Saudi right? Or India. Or China.

We clearly need some of those NG bandits, bigots and politicians up in here – show WP how it’s done. How to keep bigotry real, effective and deadly! Please, what do we want from WP, what exactly is the expectation here? Is there anything BP and other minorities are entitled to that WP are withholding? Kindly reply advising and I’ll get straight onto it.

Thanking you for your attention to this matter


Yours
Big Cocoon.

Wilson takes the lead by over 1000 votes, and is poised to win.



But na wawo for the slow speed Washington state counts votes.

DeepSight:
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One could easily be at the mercy of devious media houses, yes. No denying that. In fact, notwithstanding my great hatred of the man, I will add that he was also widely misunderstood on the "good people on both sides" comment re: Charleston. Because media often left out his specific exclusion of neo nazis. So I can admit that (I know your question is not for me, but just offering my view).

Now the thing is this, for many Trumpists, this is conclusive proof that the man had no hand in Jan 6. Thats wrong for me. Regardless of what BBC did, he was still the chief instigator.

Jan 6 instigator? 100% wrong. The day belonged to certifying and electing the President elect.
There were outstanding states eg Georgia that had a petition before a Judge pending on Jan 8.
House members were free to raise objections about which electoral state votes were to be counted. 5 states had their Biden electors and alternate GOP electors.
By law they objections are allowed to be raised . Then debated on for 1 hour after which a vote is taken If no compromise, the VP would have 10 days delay for states to finalize on the legitimate electoral votes If the worst came to the worst the states would vote for the President, each state gets one vote only ,the one who won most states goes through. Im not very familiar but that's allowed. Trump had more states. (29 if I'm right.

To prevent that scenario. ,the session has to be stopped by all means.
Two bombs discovered a few minutes before the objections were raised. Pelosi immediately adjourns the session.
At 12:52 pm the bomb discovery diverts a lot of Capitol police .
Ray Epps whispers into someone's ears who immediately proceeds to remove the barriers,with reduced police presence. The crowd marches onto the Capitol.The fedsurrection is underway., 274 plainclothes fed . Pelosi had denied the NG from being deployed because of "optics".

At night an Emergency certification session is resumed.The rules are different No objection is alliwed. Joe Biden is certified the winner.

Long and short.Ttunp didn't incite anyone. Protests are allowed.
Deep state ensured the session was adjourned to prevent objections Planting the bomb and incitement by feds + Antifa . No Antifa member was ever arrested.Pipe bomber has never been found by FBI. Ray Epps secured a blessed suspended sentence by Judge Boasberg after a lot of pushback. Over 1500 Protesters got indicted,not a single one for insurrection.

Then they went after Trump and over 430 Republicans under Arctic Frost investigation .
The alternate electors were charged by the state AGs. Trump pardoned them yesterday, those states got the go ahead from the Arctic Frost.

Save this post in your Google drive for future reference.

basilico:
Jan 6 instigator? 100% wrong. The day belonged to certifying and electing the President elect.
There were outstanding states eg Georgia that had a petition pending on Jan 8.
House members were free to raise objections about which electoral colleges were to be counted. 5 states had their electors and alternate GOP electors.
By law they objections are allowed to be raised . Then debsted on for 1 hour after which a vote is taken If no compromise, the VP would have 10 days delay for states to finalize on the legitimate electoral votes If the worst came to the worst the states would vote for the President each state gets one vote only ,the one who won most states goes through. Im not very familiar but that's allowed. Trump had more states. (29 if I'm right.

To prevent that scenario. ,the session has to be stopped by all means.
Two bombs discovered a few minutes before the objections were raised. Pelosi immediately adjourns the session.
At 12:52 pm the bomb discovery diverts a lot of Capitol police .
Ray Epps whispers into someone's ears who immediately proceeds to remove the barriers,with reduced police presence. The crowd marches onto the Capitol.The fedsurrection is underway.....

At night an Emergency certification session is resumed.The rules are different No objection is alliwed. Joe Biden is certified the winner.

Long and short.Ttunp didn't incite anyone. Protests are allowed.
Deep state ensured the session was adjourned to prevent objections Planting the bomb and incitement by feds + Antifa . No Antifa member was ever arrested.Pipe bomber has never been found by FBI. Ray Epps secured a blessed suspended sentence by Judge Boasberg after a lot of pushback. Over 1500 Protesters got indicted,not a single one for insurrection.

Then they went after Trump and over 430 Republicans under Arctic Frost investigation .
The alternate electors were charged by the state AGs. Trump pardoned them yesterday, those states got the go ahead from the Arctic Frost.

Save this post in your Google drive for future reference.

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Random question. Is there anything you can point out that Trump has ever done or said wrong. Thank you.

DeepSight:
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Random question. Is there anything you can point out that Trump has ever done or said wrong. Thank you.

Take my previous post to the bank .
Trump is a foul mouthed trash talker when not within your earshot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZajMNTjs0o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt84-yyI1HU

basilico:
Take my previous post to the bank .
Trump is a foul mouthed trash talker when not within your earshot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZajMNTjs0o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt84-yyI1HU

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Everyone knows that. You are saying something that no one can hold him with, its his established style, it s even used by people like you to defend him. Let me rephrase my question.

Do you know of any single wrong or illegal statement or deed by Trump?
I am not talking about "trash talking."

I mean a statement that invokes corruption, racism or the like, or a deed of similar status, such as fraud, falsehood, sexual assualt, sexual participation with minors, or any other acts of a criminal nature, or abuse of office, incitement of hatred, etc.

I am testing you. I once told you that you can defend anything Trump does. I want to see if you can point out a single real wrong thing he has done in your view.

Saying "trash talking" is saying nothing.

DeepSight:
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Everyone knows that. You are saying something that no one can hold him with, its his established style, it s even used by people like you to defend him. Let me rephrase my question.

Do you know of any single wrong or illegal statement or deed by Trump?
I am not talking about "trash talking."

I mean a statement that invokes corruption, racism or the like, or a deed of similar status, such as fraud, falsehood, sexual assualt, sexual participation with minors, or any other acts of a criminal nature, or abuse of office, incitement of hatred, etc.

I am testing you. I once told you that you can defend anything Trump does. I want to see if you can point out a single real wrong thing he has done in your view.

Saying "trash talking" is saying nothing.

Everyone makes mistakes. Some make yuuge ones .
Trump is not perfect at all. I've been clear, I tend to agree more with his policies than with other leaders be they conservative or not
I'll list five major ones. His policy on China & Israel. His stand on immigrants allowing those who add value and not intent on imposing their cultures. Promote local manufacturing as opposed to corporate greed of outsourcing of shipping jobs abroad. His frack baby frack,which stabilizes global oil prices
His position on Climate change.

NB.
I've questioned why we don't manufacture eg toothpicks in Nigeria.
I don't see why we should not refine oil for local and export, we've been told there is lot of idle oil refining capacity abroad. So we shouldn't have local refineries.We import 60% of refined today.
Why don't we have a gazillion thermal plants ? Peak output ever was 5.5Gwh in Feb this year ,against an estimate total demand of 17GW.
WB and other global finance don't want fossil fuel generating plants and funding them is an uphill task. Because they are climate change proponents, we can't meet demand for power. No company should fail to meet ready demand for it's products.

His policies are nationalist not globalist.
DeepSight. This is one thing holding back Nigeria. Corruption of course and being forced to sign some agreements limiting fossil fuels . China brought online 21GWh of coal plants between January and July this year. Nigeria demand is 17GWh.
The VP is in Brazil today for COP30 to wax lyrical about the dangers of Carbon Dioxide , where they will agree to make electricity unaffordable by limiting Carbon emissions.
Trump didn't send a delegation to Cop30.

ono:
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For example, let me ask you one question - and don't spin things. Just give straight answer.

The new discovery that the BBC (disgraceful, left leaning evil media propaganda house) doctored Trump's speech on Jan 6th 2021 to include "fight like hell" and make it look like him urging people on to go fight in the Capitol. Did you at the time not believe that Trump made that comment - until more than an hour later (as later shown)? Yes or No.

Ono, dump's speech on Jan6 was live on telly for all to see. I watched it on Fox because I was not interested in CNN's commentary, and his entire speech even before Jan 6 was "fight like hell".

Even if he did not utter those exact words at the beginning, his supporters sure did "fight like hell" from the start and on his behest and behalf, and rewriting history won't change that fact.

budaatum:
Ono, dump's speech on Jan6 was live on telly for all to see. I watched it on Fox because I was not interested in CNN's commentary, and his entire speech even before Jan 6 was "fight like hell".

Even if he did not utter those exact words at the beginning, his supporters sure did "fight like hell" from the start and on his behest and behalf, and rewriting history won't change that fact.

What weed were you high on? Cuban or Colombian? . He told them to march peacefully to protest their vote
Fight like hell for your rights is what he told them . Not physically. The physical bit was started by agent provocateurs in the crowd .

Again Pelosi had refused 10,000 National Guardsmen because they wanted a reason to disrupt vthe normal session which allowed for electoral vote objections and subsequent debate .If the NG had been deployed there would have no riots at all,they would have contained it.
Food for thought.

The next big thing. Beyond Meats.
To save our planet climate change proponents pushed for no beef but instead eat vegan and lab grown meats. Once boasting of Bill Gates ( largest American land owner) Di Caprio among other high profile jetset climate experts.
Major institutional shareholders have included:
BlackRock, Inc.
Vanguard Group Inc
State Street Corp
Parkwood LLC
Vontobel Holding Ltd.

Guys guys guys

New Epstein Bombshell just dropped wow

Even basilico will shake at this one lol 😁

basilico:
Everyone makes mistakes. Some make yuuge ones .
Trump is not perfect at all. I've been clear, I tend to agree more with his policies than with other leaders be they conservative or not
I'll list five major ones. His policy on China & Israel. His stand on immigrants allowing those who add value and not intent on imposing their cultures. Promote local manufacturing as opposed to corporate greed of outsourcing of shipping jobs abroad. His frack baby frack,which stabilizes global oil prices
His position on Climate change.

NB.
I've questioned why we don't manufacture eg toothpicks in Nigeria.
I don't see why we should not refine oil for local and export, we've been told there is lot of idle oil refining capacity abroad. We import 60% of refined today.
Why don't we have a gazillion thermal plants ? Peak output ever was 5.5Gwh in Feb this year ,against an estimate total demand of 17GW.
WB and other global finance don't want fossil fuel generating plants and funding them is an uphill task. Because they are climate change proponents, we can't meet demand for power. No company should fail to meet ready demand for it's products.

His policies are nationalist not globalist.

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My point is made.

I didnt ask if he was perfect or made mistakes. That's common to all humans. Neither did I ask about some mere technical commercial policies which can be debated one way or the other without any moral or legal issues arising. I took time to describe what I was referring to, that there should be some moral or legal wrong one can point to, even if just one, which is all I was seeking - or rather not seeking because I knew you would not find even one.

My point is made: - even though I didnt need to ask at all, because we all know already -

That you cannot think of a single wrong thing Trump has done.

This alone establishes the fact that no one should discuss Trump with you.

As much as I am cool with an Obama, if you were to ask me, I would list his several horrendous and shameful atrocities right away.

That is the difference between you and I. You cannot mention even one evil about a notoriously evil man.

In your old age, God sparing you, like in your eighties and nineties, take time to reflect on what that meant.

Thats my counsel to you. Sadly, I know you would live till the end thinking and saying the man never did anything wrong.

The painful thing here is that even if the Epstein files were one day released and he was proven to be a p3do, you would dismiss and defend it - 100 per cent sure. Not just you, hoards of millions will.

That's all.

Thats it..Trump the forgiver of criminals and fraudulent individuals.

Netanyahu the criminal and murderer..

DeepSight:
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My point is made.

I didnt ask if he was perfect or made mistakes. That's common to all humans. Neither did I ask about some mere technical commercial policies which can be debated one way or the other without any moral or legal issues arising. I took time to describe what I was referring to, that there should be some moral or legal wrong one can point to, even if just one, which is all I was seeking - or rather not seeking because I knew you would not find even one.

My point is made: - even though I didnt need to ask at all, because we all know already -

That you cannot think of a single wrong thing Trump has done.

This alone establishes the fact that no one should discuss Trump with you.

As much as I am cool with an Obama, if you were to ask me, I would list his several horrendous and shameful atrocities right away.

That is the difference between you and I. You cannot mention even one evil about a notoriously evil man.

In your old age, God sparing you, like in your eighties and nineties, take time to reflect on what that meant.

Thats my counsel to you. Sadly, I know you would live till the end thinking and saying the man never did anything wrong.

The painful thing here is that even if the Epstein files were one day released and he was proven to be a p3do, you would dismiss and defend it - 100 per cent sure. Not just you, hoards of millions will.

That's all.

You just said it right..

Its tiring discussing with folks who love Trump more than their parents and children.

Even with all the vile things Trump is doing in real time...

Obrigardo:
Guys guys guys

New Epstein Bombshell just dropped wow

Even basilico will shake at this one lol 😁

Oh really..

Lets get it..

Obrigardo:
Guys guys guys

New Epstein Bombshell just dropped wow

Even basilico will shake at this one lol 😁

Surprises Noone not in the cult.

basilico:
The next big thing. Beyond Meats.
To save our planet climate change proponents pushed for no beef but instead eat vegan and lab grown meats. Once boasting of Bill Gates (

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You know in your heart that if Trump says tomorrow that there is no need for trees anywhere on the planet, you will agree.

DeepSight:
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My point is made.

I didnt ask if he was perfect or made mistakes. That's common to all humans. Neither did I ask about some mere technical commercial policies which can be debated one way or the other without any moral or legal issues arising. I took time to describe what I was referring to, that there should be some moral or legal wrong one can point to, even if just one, which is all I was seeking - or rather not seeking because I knew you would not find even one.

My point is made: - even though I didnt need to ask at all, because we all know already -

That you cannot think of a single wrong thing Trump has done.

This alone establishes the fact that no one should discuss Trump with you.

As much as I am cool with an Obama, if you were to ask me, I would list his several horrendous and shameful atrocities right away.

That is the difference between you and I. You cannot mention even one evil about a notoriously evil man.

In your old age, God sparing you, like in your eighties and nineties, take time to reflect on what that meant.

Thats my counsel to you. Sadly, I know you would live till the end thinking and saying the man never did anything wrong.

The painful thing here is that even if the Epstein files were one day released and he was proven to be a p3do, you would dismiss and defend it - 100 per cent sure. Not just you, hoards of millions will.

That's all.

And this is why I've arrived at the conclusion that discussing with these people is no different to demeaning myself.

bayelsaowei:
You just said it right..

Its tiring discussing with folks who love Trump more than their parents and children.

Even with all the vile things Trump is doing in real time...

Can you tell one thing you say Trump has done right?

I asked you about what made the Democrats vote to open the govt now that was not there 40days ago you never answer

DeepSight:
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You know in your heart that if Trump says tomorrow that there is no need for trees anywhere on the planet, you will agree.

Apart from his rather loose mouth I can point out areas I don't agree

- He doesn't think much of Africa apart from what raw materials American companies can get
- Don't know why he won't release Epstein files. There are people who went to his Island and FBI swooped over after his death and who knows what they collected. Plus his other houses.He should just order release,the kraken ,he has ultimate declassification powers .
He should get out of crypto business

Happy?
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Obrigardo:
Guys guys guys

New Epstein Bombshell just dropped wow

Even basilico will shake at this one lol 😁

I have just seen.
As Ijebos posted it's public knowledge that he visited Epstein house at least once .
He also knew about Epstein , he banned him from his club, plus he helped the victims lawyer . I've ever posted the lawyer's victim video saying Trump was the only one who picked his calls .

basilico:
Apart from his rather loose mouth I can point out areas I don't agree

You are trying to be clever by half and you know it. Having a "rather loose mouth" is no particular wrong, so stop pretending you mentioned something substantive there.

- He doesn't think much of Africa apart from what raw materials American companies can get

This is another instance of trying to be clever because you know very well his job is not "President of Africa" and thats why you slide this in.
Because you know it doesnt nail him down to a specific wrong.

- Don't know why he won't release Epstein files. There are people who went to his Island and FBI swooped over after his death and who knows what they collected. Plus his other houses.He should just order release,the kraken ,he has ultimate declassification powers.

Again, you havent mentioned a wrong. You have just advised him to release them, or/ and said you "don't know why he will not release" them. You are trying to be clever. You dont want to categorically state that it is odious, manipulative, conniving and deeply suggestive of implication in a child sex ring.

He should get out of crypto business

I will ignore this.

Happy?

Not at all, actually I feel slightly insulted because what you have tried to do is vaguely appear as though you have criticized him whilst leaving the room open to claim that there was nothing specifically wrong there.

So, the challenge remains for you to tell us one legal or moral wrong Trump has ever committed.

If you want to say its the failure to release the Epstein files, please be categorical about it - condemn it as morally wrong and deeply suggestive of implication. Don't just vaguely say you dont know why he hasn't released them.

raumdeuter:
Can you tell one thing you say Trump has done right?

I asked you about what made the Democrats vote to open the govt now that was not there 40days ago you never answer

Youve maybe not been paying attention because you've been stuck up being Trumps vassal.

I recognized his efforts for the cease fire in the isreal/gaza war here on thos forum.

Now tell me one thing you dont like about Trump or that you have condemned about him?

bayelsaowei:
Oh really..

Lets get it..

Ol boooy
Epstein says the tyrant predator spent hours with one of his victims and that the tyrant is a dirty boy lol

basilico:
I have just seen.
As Ijebos posted it's public knowledge that he visited Epstein house at least once .
He also knew about Epstein , he banned him from his club, plus he helped the victims lawyer . I've ever posted the lawyer's victim video saying Trump was the only one who picked his calls .

You keep saying nonsense but did you know they still had contacts even till 2016

These grifters have been awfully quiet for months

Right wing grift and scams

DeepSight:
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One could easily be at the mercy of devious media houses, yes. No denying that. In fact, notwithstanding my great hatred of the man, I will add that he was also widely misunderstood on the "good people on both sides" comment re: Charleston. Because media often left out his specific exclusion of neo nazis. So I can admit that (I know your question is not for me, but just offering my view).

Now the thing is this, for many Trumpists, this is conclusive proof that the man had no hand in Jan 6. Thats wrong for me. Regardless of what BBC did, he was still the chief instigator.

Well then, I’m afraid there’s nothing I can do to “help” you. Yeah you can say you don’t need any help. But then again, many leftists love to live in self denial - knowing the truth but deliberately suppressing it because of their hatred of it.

Jesus spoke about people like this a lot. And how that the end of such people is in the deepest part of Hell.

DeepSight:
You are trying to be clever by half and you know it. Having a "rather loose mouth" is no particular wrong, so stop pretending you mentioned something substantive there.



This is another instance of trying to be clever because you know very well his job is not "President of Africa" and thats why you slide this in.
Because you know it doesnt nail him down to a specific wrong.



Again, you havent mentioned a wrong. You have just advised him to release them, or/ and said you "don't know why he will not release" them. You are trying to be clever. You dont want to categorically state that it is odious, manipulative, conniving and deeply suggestive of implication in a child sex ring.



I will ignore this.



Not at all, actually I feel slightly insulted because what you have tried to do is vaguely appear as though you have criticized him whilst leaving the room open to claim that there was nothing specifically wrong there.

So, the challenge remains for you to tell us one legal or moral wrong Trump has ever committed.

If you want to say its the failure to release the Epstein files, please be categorical about it - condemn it as morally wrong and deeply suggestive of implication. Don't just vaguely say you dont know why he hasn't released them.

I won't join the lynch mob if that's what you want. I'm objective so I look at what he been accused of and by who .That don't mean whatever he does is right because of the accuser.

Noone is blameless that's my point ,I want to see equal scrutiny applied to all.
As to media ,they have a permanent objective to never report anything positive about him while covering and downplaying whatever the left does.
Why wasn't he that monster before he ran for the presidency? They all loved him until he went against the grain.

Obrigardo:
You keep saying nonsense but did you know they still had contacts even till 2016

I have only read msn and politico versions.
The email recipient Michael Wolfe wrote a book "Fire and Fury in the WH " in 2018 which basically tells me he a democrat.
There are 2015 emails when Trump announced running , but it seems he really was digging up dirt on Trump. I would guess he was doing it on behalf of the democrats.

Theere are 23,000 docs released by Democrats in congress . I want to know what's in the others or was it a case of democrats getting ahead of the limelight by releasing 3 emails first.

If that's the worst they have , then I think there is nothing there there.
Epstein says Trump knew about the girls after being indicted.

I've ever given an example. Someone sees your wife being kissed by another man and he informs you. You think your wife will tell they was just exchanging saliva and not having sex?

So if Trump had been to Epstein's , Epstein can say Trump was upto no good at all.
Doubt you can see it that way.TDS in you is past metastatic.
Take these as my initial comments I'm sure more details will emerge.
As I have quipped before Epstein starts and ends with Trump according to democrats.

bayelsaowei:
Youve maybe not been paying attention because you've been stuck up being Trumps vassal.
I recognized his efforts for the cease fire in the isreal/gaza war here on thos forum.
Now tell me one thing you dont like about Trump or that you have condemned about him?

If you checked my last post on this thread before today you will see where I condemned his 50yrs mortgage proposal

When I told you it was Democrats holding govt hostage and making Americans suffer, You can now tell us what is different from what they voted for today that wasnt there 40days ago