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Janosky:
Him forget say Jesus talk @ John 5:26 confirm Paul's teaching of Ephesians 3:14-15.
Every being in heaven owes their name to Jehovah.
In heaven,Jesus owes his name to his ANCESTOR ,Jehovah God

Don't you owe your name to your father, does that mean you are not his literal or biological son ?

MaxInDHouse:
This is what Satan is using to blindfold all of them!

They thought Jesus is the same person who surrendered himself to test himself by himself and later approved himself by himself so there is no reason why integrity matters after all God was only playing hide and seek.

But if they realize that Jesus could have lost and loose everything just as Satan planned for him it will help them because i don't understand how someone could use his or her brain to be advocating such senselessness!😟

Keep fooling yourself.

No where Jesus been the Literal son of God equates to him been equal with God.

No boy/man is equal to his father, but does that make the boy or man less human than his father?

Jesus is GOD by nature, having the fullness and divinity of his father,which no man or Angel have.

I have wrote articles against the trinity doctrine on this forum, no where have I advocated that Jesus is equal in all authority to his father.

JW are false teachers.

MaxInDHouse:
I don comot that guy for my diary tey tey anything he types is no go area for me if he like let him quote and mention me one million times to me he no longer exist!🙂

You don take idea run, because the guy dey bombarded you with questions way you no fit answer.

Janosky:
@John 13:16 & Revelation 1:1,
Jesus recognize his Inferiority to God his ANCESTOR in the spiritual realm.

Oga,Jesus proves that there is hierarchy in heaven.
There is no equality in heaven.
Father in your Bible means ANCESTOR ,SENIOR.

Ephesians 4:6,Jehovah God has no Father ,no Senior, no ancestor anywhere,unlike Jesus.

Even the Jews knew that Jesus meant he was the literal Son of God.

Hence why they wanted to stone him.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Janosky:

Oga,Use Greek bible lexicon meaning & stop typing what you can't prove.

Greek gennao meaning beget,begotten, born, give birth,MAKE,produce,
IS DIFFERENT from
Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN.
Greek genes comes from gennao.....

Screenshots evidences

Oga Tctrills, pls grow up.....

Your lie has been long disproved.

μονογενης is a Greek adjective consisting of the two parts, μονο (mono) and γενης (genes). There is no argument regarding the derivation of the first part of the word; it is from the Greek word μονον (monon), an adverb meaning ‘only’. The difference of opinion only arises in regard to the second part of the word, γενης. The traditional view is that γενης is to be derived from the Greek verb γενναω (‘to beget’), so that μονογενης means ‘only begotten’. But the more recent view is that γενης is derived from γενος, meaning ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’, so that μονογενης must mean ‘one of a kind’ or ‘unique’. In support of this latter view, some point out that γενος has only a single ν (the Greek letter, pronounced ‘nu’) as does μονογενης, while γενναω has two νs.2So which etymology is correct?

The following may be noted in regard to these two possible etymologies.

Firstly, the difference between the two etymologies is not as great as may at first appear. The difference is accentuated by choosing, from the range of possible meanings for, only those meanings which do not explicitly include the concept of ‘begetting’, such as ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’. But in fact γενος may also mean ‘offspring’, ‘posterity’, ‘race’, ‘stock’, ‘kin’, where the concept of ‘begetting’ or ‘derivation by birth’ is quite evidently included.3If such meanings were taken for γενος, then even if μονογενης is derived from γενος the meaning will still be ‘only offspring’, ‘only posterity’, etc., which are equivalent to ‘only begotten’.

Secondly, the claim that the γενης ending of μονογενης is to be derived from γενος, with the meaning ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’, may be tested by examining the meaning of the γενης ending in similar Greek adjectives which also have the same two-part structure.4The following is a list of such adjectives:5

αγεηνς: not of noble birth; low born
αγεννης: low bornδυσγενης: low born
ευγενης: well born, high born
ομογενης: of the same race or family
παλιγενης: born again, generated anew
πολυγενης: of many families
προγενης: born before
πρωτογενης: first born
συγγενης: related, akin

It may be observed that in all these words the concept of ‘begetting’ or ‘derivation by birth’ is clearly present. So how may it be confidently asserted that μονογενης does not contain the concept of ‘begetting’? The assertion does not appear to be confirmed by objective evidence. On the contrary, the evidence indicates that the concept of ‘begetting’ or ‘derivation by birth’ certainly can be conveyed by the γενης ending. It is therefore entirely possible that μονογενης means ‘only begotten’.

It may be also asked whether those who insist that the γενης ending in μονογενης is to be derived from γενος, with the meaning ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’, are as eager to insist on the same etymology for the words in the above list. Will it be insisted that ευγενης, for example, must mean ‘of a good sort’ rather than ‘well born’? In general, such will not be insisted upon. This is not only because it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to do so — the concept of ‘begotten’ being so clearly present in each of the words — but also because the words do not have the same theological significance that μονογενης has.6So here is an evident inconsistency, and an inconsistency that indicates that the etymology is neither impartial nor scientific.

It may be observed from this list of words ending in γενης that the similar meanings of αγενης and αγεννης indicates that no particular significance should be attached to the single ν as opposed to the doubled ν. There are numerous other Greek words from which the same inference may be drawn. For example, γενετης and γεννητης, both mean ‘begetter’, ‘parent’, though one has a single ν and in the other the ν is doubled. Also, it may be noted that γενετη means ‘birth’, although it has only one ν. Hence, the argument that μονογενης is to be derived from γενος, meaning ‘class’, ‘sort’, ‘kind’, because both words have only a single ν, and could not be derived from γενναω meaning to ‘beget’ because it has two νs, is a facile argument, incapable of being substantiated by the linguistic evidence.

From this examination of the two etymologies for μονογενης, it may be concluded that the meaning ‘only begotten’ is entirely possible. Certainly there are no grounds for summarily dismissing that meaning as is often done. On the other hand, the etymology of μονογενης which insists on deriving the γενης ending from γενος and then arbitrarily restricts the possible meanings of γενος within a narrow range, though those same meanings are not applied to other similar Greek words, cannot be considered an impartial or scientific etymology.

One final point may be made on the etymological question. Some have argued that the correct Greek word for ‘only begotten’ should be μονογεννετος, and not μονογενης.7But perhaps no argument in this debate over etymology more undermines the position it was advanced to defend. This is due to the simple fact that μονογεννετος never actually occurs either in the New Testament or anywhere else in ancient Greek literature. There are only two possible explanations for this non-occurrence. The first is that the Greeks never had a concept of ‘only begotten’. This seems unlikely since they certainly have a concept of ‘begetting’: so why would they not have a concept of ‘only begotten’?8The second is that, assuming the Greeks did have a word for ‘only begotten’, the reason μονογεννετος never appears is simply because μονογενης was the Greek word used with that meaning. There are no other reasonable alternatives. Ironically, then, the insistence that the correct word for ‘only begotten’ must be μονογεννετος and not μονογενης actually lends support to μονογενης being the correct word.

https://www.christianstudylibrary.org/article/monogenes-%E2%80%9Conly-begotten%E2%80%9D-or-%E2%80%9Cone-kind%E2%80%9D

blueAgent:
No where Jesus been the Literal son of God equates to him been equal with God.

So in a nutshell Jesus' father is our father and Jesus' God is our God which makes us his brothers! John 20:17
Is that what you are saying?

blueAgent:
You don take idea run, because the guy dey bombarded you with questions way you no fit answer.

It's obvious you don't know what to say rather you are seeking support from your fellow confused Churchians.

Sebi you mentioned my name and the name of my church. Oya mention the name of your own church too so that it remains only you and i nah!😂

Person wey no believe Bible nah him you dey follow shey?

Go to his threads and see how he's been questioning the Bible itself!😂

MaxInDHouse:
It's obvious you don't know what to say rather you are seeking support from your fellow confused Churchians.

Sebi you mentioned my name and the name of my church. Oya mention the name of your own church too so that it remains only you and i nah!😂

Person wey no believe Bible nah him you dey follow shey?

Go to his threads and see how he's been questioning the Bible itself!😂

An yet he schooled you better in bible things, than you that claim(imposter) that Jesus appointed you.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell Jesus' father is our father and Jesus' God is our God which makes us his brothers! John 20:17
Is that what you are saying?

The most important is to understand that Jesus is God in nature.

blueAgent:
An yet he schooled you better in bible things, than you that claim(imposter) that Jesus appointed you.

Funny Churchian!

What is the name of his church nah?😂

True Christians you have seen and our activities known globally {Act 1:8} but a funny Churchian who doesn't believe in association of fellow believers is your teacher shey?😂

blueAgent:
The most important is to understand that Jesus is God in nature.

Just as Moses is God shey? Exodus 7:1🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Just as Moses is God shey? Exodus 7:1🙂

Keep fooling yourself.
Was Moses not referred to god with small letter g, compared to Jesus been referred to God with capital letter?

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.


Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny Churchian!

What is the name of his church nah?😂

True Christians you have seen and our activities known globally {Act 1:8} but a funny Churchian who doesn't believe in association of fellow believers is your teacher shey?😂

Keep fooling yourself.

Janosky:

Oga,Use Greek bible lexicon meaning & stop typing what you can't prove.

Greek gennao meaning beget,begotten, born, give birth,MAKE,produce,
IS DIFFERENT from
Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN.
Greek genes comes from gennao.....

Screenshots evidences

Oga Tctrills, pls grow up.....

You are still confused. You claim that Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN. Then you again claim that Adam was a begotten son.
Your second claim
i]Greek gennao meaning beget,begotten, born, give birth,MAKE,produce,
IS DIFFERENT from
Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN.
Here, you are saying that begotten is different from only begotten and in a sense, you are correct. But you can't have more than one begotten and still have an only begotten at the same time or in your Greek terms,
You can't have a gennao and a monogenes at the same time. That makes no sense or can you make it make sense?

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.
Was Moses not referred to god with small letter g, compared to Jesus been referred to God with capital letter?

Guy nah Churchians like you do that one in the Bible the title is the same only the name differs.
Worshipers of Ra, Moleck, Zeus and Jupiter doesn't refer to their Gods with small letters o!🙂

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself.

By the end of the day all your gra gra to mention my name and the name of my church is just to say:
"Keep following yourself"
After four years that you've ran away from me!😂

MaxInDHouse:
By the end of the day all your gra gra to mention my name and the name of my church is just to say:
"Keep following yourself"
After four years that you've ran away from me!😂

Meaningless rant.

Disprove that Jesus is not the literal Son of GOD.

I have provided enough evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy nah Churchians like you do that one in the Bible the title is the same only the name differs.
Worshipers of Ra, Moleck, Zeus and Jupiter doesn't refer to their Gods with small letters o!🙂

Yet to prove anything, why Jesus is denoted with capital G,in that verse.

blueAgent:
Meaningless rant.
Disprove that Jesus is not the literal Son of GOD. I have provided enough evidence.

The word "LITERAL SON" no dey inside Bible so it's your own personal opinion!😂

blueAgent:
Yet to prove anything, why Jesus is denoted with capital G,in that verse.

Churchian interpretation!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
The word "LITERAL SON" no dey inside Bible so it's your own personal opinion!😂

Dey fool yourself.

It would be too late on the last day, when you would realise that you have been fooling yourself all this while.

blueAgent:
Dey fool yourself.
It would be too late on the last day, when you would realise that you have been fooling yourself all this while.

You've typed that several times but then it's making no practical sense!🙂

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MaxInDHouse:
Churchian interpretation!🙂

Yes ooo
Evidences to prove that.

tctrills:
You are still confused. You claim that Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN. Then you again claim that Adam was a begotten son.
Your second claim
i]Greek gennao meaning beget,begotten, born, give birth,MAKE,produce,
IS DIFFERENT from
Greek monogenes meaning ONLY BORN / ONLY BEGOTTEN.
Here, you are saying that begotten is different from only begotten and in a sense, you are correct. But you can't have more than one begotten and still have an only begotten at the same time or in your Greek terms,
You can't have a gennao and a monogenes at the same time. That makes no sense or can you make it make sense?

Hebrew 1:5. Hebrew 5:5 plus John 3:16.
"You are my son, today I have begotten you."

Luke 7:12
" the only begotten son of his mother."


Oga, grow up & study your Bible.
Stop deceiving yourself.

blueAgent:
Don't you owe your name to your father, does that mean you are not his literal or biological son ?

You are now admitting that Jesus is inferior to the Supreme Being, God his Father.

Janosky:

"Was theos " is the same Greek grammatical construct (last word) in John 1:1 & Acts 28:6.
"was a god" is the correct rendition in both verses.
Small letter "god" is the correct rendition of John 10:33.
Screenshot evidences.
Oga,stop deceiving yourself.

He has ran away from me for over four years but now decided to come back as if he just got the liver to used scriptures!🙂