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MaxInDHouse:
I'm not interested in your aimless arguments at least you can see what the Bible said!

No wahala, I would not advise you to take part in a discussion that makes you uncomfortable, but its ok, you have changed some of your false doctrines in the course of our brief discussion.

tctrills:
No wahala, I would not advise you to take part in a discussion that makes you uncomfortable, but its ok, you have changed some of your false doctrines in the course of our brief discussion.

Nothing changed Jesus was created by God and God created all other things through Jesus.
That has been our belief since ages!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Nothing changed Jesus was created by God and God created all other things through Jesus.
That has been our belief since ages!🙂

That was not your argument. You claimed only firstborns are begotten, but now I see that doctrine is bringing you shame.

tctrills:
That was not your argument. You claimed only firstborns are begotten, but now I see that doctrine is bringing you shame.

Na me tell you that one?

tctrills:
MaxInDHouse, here is your brother teaching the foolish doctrine, but thank goodness you guys have changed

You just like deceiving yourself.

Is that what he is saying?

Someone reading your comments will think i'm the one you quoted word for word but when asked you quoted another person yet out of context!

MaxInDHouse:
You just like deceiving yourself.

Is that what he is saying?

Someone reading your comments will think i'm the one you quoted word for word but when asked you quoted another person yet out of context!

Yes, he claimed that firstborns are the only begotten.
His very words
I thought all JW believe the same thing. My apologies, I did not realize you guys have different independent doctrines.

blueAgent:
Skull miners and traditionist I hail thee

Because we don't believe in your man-god, we are now skull miners. So does it means with your education you wouldn't still know a scam? That is just low.
Jesus is a Greek/Roman invention to deceive.

Janosky:

Its in your Bible, Sir.

Luke 3:38
"Kenan was the son of Enosh. Enosh was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God"

Luke 3:38, Adam is begotten son of God.
John 3;16,Jesus Christ is only begotten son of God.

Oga, screenshot both verses in your own Bible ,let's confirm something.

MaxInDHouse: This is your confused boy again, teaching that Adam is a begotten son of God and at the same time, , Jesus Christ is only the begotten son of God.
At least we can both agree that the boy needs help.

blueAgent:
I have shown you repeatedly that Jesus is the son of God, who has the Godhead and fully divinity dwelling in him.

Been God's Son aslo makes him God, by nature.

Snakes give birth to Snakes.

Humans give birth to humans.

Lions give birth to lions

How did God give birth to human??

Please don't dodge this question.

What about this passage below?, did God forget that he already has a first born?
Or the god of Jesus is different from the God in the old testament? This was actually the position of Marcion of Sinope.
"Exodus 4:22-23
Then you shall say to Pharaoh, 'Thus says the LORD: "Israel is My son, My firstborn. So I say to you, let My son go that he may serve Me. But if you refuse to let him go, indeed I will kill your son, your firstborn."'"

Blueagent, you ignored this.

tctrills:
Yes, he claimed that firstborns are the only begotten.
His very words
I thought all JW believe the same thing. My apologies, I did not realize you guys have different independent doctrines.

Dey play!

tctrills:
MaxInDHouse: This is your confused boy again, teaching that Adam is a begotten son of God and at the same time, , Jesus Christ is only the begotten son of God.
At least we can both agree that the boy needs help.

You can be really funny walahi talahi.

Is Adam not God's begotten Son?

Go through my comment again and see where you keep dribbling yourself.

God created Jesus first and through him all other creatures came into existence just as Adam is the only human through whom all other humans exist!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
You can be really funny walahi talahi.

Is Adam not God's begotten Son?

Go through my comment again and see where you keep dribbling yourself.

God created Jesus first and through him all other creatures came into existence just as Adam is the only human through whom all other humans exist!🙂

You just spoiled everything and confused yourself. So Jesus Christ is no longer the only begotten. We have 2 begotten sons now. It only takes 30 minutes for you boys to make a U-turn. It is well

tctrills:
You just spoiled everything and confused yourself. So Jesus Christ is no longer the only begotten. We have 2 begotten sons now. It only takes 30 minutes for you boys to make a U-turn. It is well.

The word "BEGOTTEN" has a wider meaning than you assume when applied the context matters mostly but since you don't want to learn go and apply it the way you want.

MaxInDHouse:
The word "BEGOTTEN" has a wider meaning than you assume when applied the context matters mostly but since you don't want to learn go and apply it the way you want.

Just because you are JW doesn't give you the right to redefine words.
It is not in your hands to define what a word means just to justify your doctrines.
But then let's hear you out, tell us the JW meaning of Begotten.
And under the JW definition, is Adam still a begotten or is Jesus Christ the only begotten?

tctrills:
Is Adam still a begotten or is Jesus Christ the only begotten?

BEGOTTEN means a lot so both of them are begotten in their unique ways the difference is that while one is the only begotten in the spirit realms where creation began the other is the only begotten Son of God among humans {Luke 3:38} that's what brought both of them to the same rank when talking about the salvation of mankind! 1Corinthans 15:45
Only one son of God infected mankind with sin and death {Romans 5:12} and so it's only one son of God that's required to redeem mankind from sin and death! 6:23

sonmvayina:
How did God give birth to human??

Please don't dodge this question.

Did you see me write that GOD gave birth to Humans?

sonmvayina:
Because we don't believe in your man-god, we are now skull miners. So does it means with your education you wouldn't still know a scam? That is just low.
Jesus is a Greek/Roman invention to deceive.

Keep fooling yourself.

You mention Education, the same Education that was brought by Christainity you call Scam.

Your hypocrisy is top notch.

Maximus692:
Just as God gives birth to all His creations and Jesus is the firstborn shey?

Keep fooling yourself.

God never gave birth to any man,every man or Angel were all created by GOD.
Only JESUS was begotten by GOD.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

MaxInDHouse:
So disciples protect themselves from the hot sun must be included in what Bible says shey?

Stop fooling yourself you guys(JW) are totally far from God's chosen people.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the TRUTH heareth my voice.

MaxInDHouse:
So Jesus is a deity just like other gods right? Psalms 82:1,6

Jesus is a Diety just like his father( God) he is far above all other gods.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Other gods were created by him.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

MaxInDHouse:
BEGOTTEN means a lot so both of them are begotten in their unique ways the difference is that while one is the only begotten in the spirit realms where creation began the other is the only begotten Son of God among humans {Luke 3:38} that's what brought both of them to the same rank when talking about the salvation of mankind! 1Corinthans 15:45
Only one son of God infected mankind with sin and death {Romans 5:12} and so it's only one son of God that's required to redeem mankind from sin and death! 6:23

So According to jw, their are 2 only begotten. I am sure you don't realize how dumb this is. Please can you define the word only using the JW dictionary.
Anyway, we have an understanding but not an agreement. Unless you have more to add to the topic, I believe we have discussed all the issues.
As always, it has been fun

MaxInDHouse:
Read John 5:19

This is layman excuse


Jesus did not become the Son of GOD because he was imitating God.

He was imitating ,God(his father) because he is the literal Son of God.

God never told us that Jesus became his Son because of him imitating him.

Rather he told us that Jesus is his son because he was begotten by him.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

tctrills:
Yes, he claimed that firstborns are the only begotten.
His very words
I thought all JW believe the same thing. My apologies, I did not realize you guys have different independent doctrines.

JW people are confused.

blueAgent:
JW people are confused.

They believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten and somehow, Adam is the only begotten.
Even for a 5 years old kid, this is dumb. I wonder how I will explain this toy kids to if I was one of them.;

tctrills:
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They believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten and somehow, Adam is the only begotten.
Even for a 5 years old kid, this is dumb. I wonder how I will explain this toy kids to if I was one of them.;

I tell you

blueAgent:
God never gave birth to any man,every man or Angel were all created by GOD.
Only JESUS was begotten by GOD.

Firstborn of all creation: self explanatory!

blueAgent:
Stop fooling yourself you guys(JW) are totally far from God's chosen people.

But we are fulfilling what God promised! Isaiah 2:2-4

blueAgent:
Jesus is a Diety just like his father( God) he is far above all other gods.

So you've changed the letter to upper case again!

tctrills:
we have an understanding but not an agreement.

Agreement is the work of Holy Spirit only be possible among God's people! John 17:22

At least the verse tells you that Jesus is IMITATING his father!

blueAgent:
This is layman excuse
Jesus did not become the Son of GOD because he was imitating God.
He was imitating ,God(his father) because he is the literal Son of God.
God never told us that Jesus became his Son because of him imitating him.
Rather he told us that Jesus is his son because he was begotten by him.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?