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bigpicture001:
So long as the US does not include military action by NATO if Russia invades Ukraine again... Russia will only rest , rebuild and invade again..

The US should involve NATO in the whole set up, if they dnt want to give security guarantee...

The US security guarantee is all about sanctions... It won't work this time around as Russia will plan ahead in how to manuevour them..

It's military retaliation that's will work, not sanction

bigpicture001:
So long as the US does not include military action by NATO if Russia invades Ukraine again... Russia will only rest , rebuild and invade again..

The US should involve NATO in the whole set up, if they dnt want to give security guarantee...

The US security guarantee is all about sanctions... It won't work this time around as Russia will plan ahead in how to manuevour them..

It's military retaliation that's will work, not sanction

Dotherightthing:
There are security guarantees from the US - point 5.

Also, there will be UK and French peacekeepers on ground - point 8

bigpicture001:
If Russia invade Ukraine again what will the US do according to the proposal..?

Again, which parties will sign the security non agression agreement..?

If the U exempt itself from this key stages.. then I think when it is time for reconstruction, Ukraine should not giv a single contract to any US firms.. it should be EU firms and RUssian ND Chinese firms...


I know this is not the standard US position, it's just the bby red-faced Trump's position

WriteerNg:

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What can the US even do if Russia invades again?

What will they do for Ukraine that they haven't already done now?

Trump and Secretary of State said it themselves, that they've almost emptied their weapons stockpile for Ukraine.

Russia is the number one in terms of firepower. You cannot win against a nation that produces missiles like they produce bottle water.

There's nothing else to give except Nuke. And if they try that, that'll be their last days on earth.

bigpicture001:
No, they didn't do anything at all.. they left Ukraine all alone to fend for itself aside the weapons they continually gift them and money to mk the government work...

But they can do more, by directly inserting a clause which says.. if Russia invades again, NATO 100,000 forces will be deployed immidiately ND subsequently increase in number all inside Ukraine territory to fluch out Russia...

This is what I call security guarantee. This will send a direct message of consequences to Russia.. not very soft agreements...

Which one is sanction, what can sanctions do..?

Russia directly got North Koran armies into the war, not minding it's consequences, so the US and NATO should not also mind the consequences...

Only nuclear test by America and the declaration of operation southern spears, plus sanction on lukoil ND co, Russia is panting...

They need force not appeasement

bigpicture001:
The US didn't give Ukraine upto 170billion dollars.. u know where u are fabricating ur lies... It's latest figure as at Sept is 163billion

WriteerNg:

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$450 billion worth of weapons is not "leaving Ukraine alone to fend for itself". That's what the US alone gave Ukraine. Europe have give Ukraine at least $200 billion. Even frozen Russian funds in the west have been sent to Ukraine. More than $15 billion.

That money is more than the GDP of 100 countries. Nigeria's GDP isn't even up to that.

The US sent everything they had, but no one can match Russia's firepower. They've said it themselves.

More than 50 countries (US, NATO, Japan, Australia, India, Canada, Mexico, South Korea, New Zealand, Colombia) and many others have sent Ukraine thousands of troops. Even former ISIS fighters have fought for Ukraine. Google it.

Poland and the US have sent over 40,000 troops disguised as mercenaries. It's all over the news, do your research.

There is absolutely nothing else the US or NATO can do. Except Nuclear war and we both know how that ends.

You cannot use force against someone who has an equal or even greater force than you. The US have come to realize that. In early 2022, they were all screaming Russia must be defeated, Russia must be crushed. Today they're begging Russia to end the war. Even offering Russia sweet deals and mineral resources.

Biden himself said Ukraine cannot win but they just want Ukraine to be able to secure a manageable deal during negotiations. Google it.

bigpicture001:
No, they didn't do anything at all.. they left Ukraine all alone to fend for itself aside the weapons they continually gift them and money to mk the government work...

But they can do more, by directly inserting a clause which says.. if Russia invades again, NATO 100,000 forces will be deployed immidiately ND subsequently increase in number all inside Ukraine territory to fluch out Russia...

This is what I call security guarantee. This will send a direct message of consequences to Russia.. not very soft agreements...

Which one is sanction, what can sanctions do..?

Russia directly got North Koran armies into the war, not minding it's consequences, so the US and NATO should not also mind the consequences...

Only nuclear test by America and the declaration of operation southern spears, plus sanction on lukoil ND co, Russia is panting...

They need force not appeasement

Kaliningrad:
🇺🇸 Donald Trumps administration have sent Ukraine a 28 point peace plan to end the war with and Russia. Zelensky have been urged to accept it. Full list below:

1. Ukraine’s sovereignty affirmed.

2. Russia, Ukraine and Europe
sign a non-aggression pact.

3. Russia agrees not to invade neighbors and NATO stops expansion.

4. Russia and NATO launch a de-escalation dialogue.

5. US gives Ukraine post-war security guarantees.

6. Ukraine’s military capped at 600,000 troops.

7. Ukraine amends constitution to renounce NATO membership.

8. No NATO troops in Ukraine, with exceptions for UK-France peacekeepers plan.

9. UK and EU keep fighter jets stationed in Poland.

10. Ukraine loses US guarantees if it invades Russia, Russia faces full sanctions and deal reversal if it invades Ukraine.

11. Ukraine allowed to join the European Union.

12. A global Ukraine Development Fund finances reconstruction and industry.

13. Sanctions on Russia lifted gradually, Russia reenters the G8.

14. 100 billion dollars in frozen Russian assets fund Ukraine’s rebuild, the rest are unfrozen.

15. A US-Russia compliance hotline is created.

16. Russia passes a law enforcing its non-aggression pledge.

17. US and Russia extend the START nuclear treaty.

18. Ukraine renounces nuclear weapons.

19. IAEA takes control of the Zaporozhye plant and power is split equally.

20. Both sides implement tolerance education and ban Nazi ideology.

21. New territorial lines set: Ukraine withdraws from remaining Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia withdraws from Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Sumy, with a demilitarized Donetsk buffer under Russian recognition.

22. Neither side can change borders by force in the future.

23. Russia allows Ukraine to use the Dnieper River commercially.

24. A full civilian, POW and remains exchange takes place.

25. Ukraine holds presidential elections within 100 days.

26. Full amnesty for all parties.

27. The deal becomes legally binding and monitored by a US-led Peace Council.

28. Immediate ceasefire begins once both sides sign, followed by troop withdrawals.

Kaliningrad:

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The US will never go to war with Russia. Even with the entire NATO behind them.

They don't want to die.

Kaliningrad:

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US will never go to war with Russia. Even with the entire NATO behind them.

They don't want to die.