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Alusiizizi:
No satisfactory explanation of consciousness has yet been presented, indeed, the very definition of the word is hazy at best. Personally, I prefer Dr. Roger Penroses attempt at its description. For those who don't know, Dr. Penrose is a notable theoretical Physics and a Nobel laureate(2023 prize for his theory of trapped surfaces beyond the event horizon of a black hole, thus proving that, given the current understanding of General Relativity, a singularity must form at its center). Basically, his thesis centers around the theory of computation and the Godel incompleteness theorem, which basically asserts that all mathematical systems contains axioms that cannot be proven from within aforementioned mathematical system. What this essentially implies for computation machines, whether we are talking hard code software or even the most advanced A.I, is that the product of any computing machine must directly be correlated to an input, i.e. computing machines cannot create information that was not already fed into it.

Which brings us to the problem of humans. It is a matter of fact that humans routinely create new information, and this is where Penroses theses come to play: Human minds do not obey the Godel incompleteness theorem because the source of human consciousness is not a classical system but a quantum mechanical one, in other words, human minds are actually quantum computers and not classical computers.

Now, what does all this have to do with the final destination of human consciousness? Well, we know that something called "entanglement" is the very center of all quantum processes, which means that human minds, and therefore consciousness, is entangled with the rest of the universe, so perhaps, when a human dies, his body might die but his consciousness could very well linger on.

Dtruthspeaker:
So the fear and great chill that occurs when people are about to die does not exist abi?

MaxInDHouse:
The same thing happens to animals and to people—they die. People and animals have the same ‘breath.’ Is a dead animal different from a dead person? It is all so senseless! The bodies of people and animals end the same way. They came from the earth, and, in the end, they will go back to the earth. Who knows what happens to a person’s spirit? Who knows if a human’s spirit goes up to God while an animal’s spirit goes down into the ground?” So I saw that the best thing people can do is to enjoy what they do, because that is all they have. Besides, no one can help another person see what will happen in the future. Ecclesiastes 3:19-22

The living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything. They have no more reward. People will soon forget them. After people are dead, their love, hate, and jealousy are all gone. And they will never again share in what happens on earth. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

What will God do about their evil deeds?


Anyone who has died has been set free from sin.‭Romans 6:7 NIV‬

What about the good people?

“I wish you would hide me in my grave. I wish you would hide me there, until your anger is gone. Then you could pick a time to remember me. If a man dies, will he live again? If so, I would gladly suffer through this time waiting for my release. God, you would call me, and I would answer you. Then I, the one you made, would be important to you. Job 14:13-15

REALITY proves you wrong. There are countless cases of children who clearly remembered their previous lives. Scientifically verified and peer-reviewed cases.

DiarisGodoo:
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MaxInDHouse:
Funny dreams that atheists claiming scientists wants to use as counter proof against the Bible!🙂

Urgent1Million:
The question is about death.
It's the body that dies.
The soul doesn't die.

phemray:
Practically how do one know? No evidence except what we all read or heard. But science is great , we are all being recycled.

MCentral:
Sounds like a neat theory, But can/will you remember your past life when u enter the new dimension?

Roycemadeit:
It’s funny, they will “go back to their Maker”, when the so-called Maker has never personally appeared to them to say, “I am the one who made you.” It becomes even more interesting when you remember that countless people lived and died long before Arabs and Europeans ever arrived with the unHoly Books and "their maker" was forced on them.

So the question stands: Which maker would those people return to?
Would it be the Middle-Eastern deity they never knew? Or Chukwu, or any of the deities their cultures recognised?

Sirchiboy:
When people die. Where do they go. I want to know.

Alusiizizi:
No satisfactory explanation of consciousness has yet been presented, indeed, the very definition of the word is hazy at best. Personally, I prefer Dr. Roger Penroses attempt at its description. For those who don't know, Dr. Penrose is a notable theoretical Physics and a Nobel laureate(2023 prize for his theory of trapped surfaces beyond the event horizon of a black hole, thus proving that, given the current understanding of General Relativity, a singularity must form at its center). Basically, his thesis centers around the theory of computation and the Godel incompleteness theorem, which basically asserts that all mathematical systems contains axioms that cannot be proven from within aforementioned mathematical system. What this essentially implies for computation machines, whether we are talking hard code software or even the most advanced A.I, is that the product of any computing machine must directly be correlated to an input, i.e. computing machines cannot create information that was not already fed into it.

Which brings us to the problem of humans. It is a matter of fact that humans routinely create new information, and this is where Penroses theses come to play: Human minds do not obey the Godel incompleteness theorem because the source of human consciousness is not a classical system but a quantum mechanical one, in other words, human minds are actually quantum computers and not classical computers.

Now, what does all this have to do with the final destination of human consciousness? Well, we know that something called "entanglement" is the very center of all quantum processes, which means that human minds, and therefore consciousness, is entangled with the rest of the universe, so perhaps, when a human dies, his body might die but his consciousness could very well linger on.

Jazzman01:
It is just normal instinct that all living things carry and exhibit When faced with death/termination. You can observe it in animals and even down to unicellular organisms.

DiarisGodoo:
Very ignorant thing to say indeed.
Same scientific method came up with amenities and cures you rely on today.

josielewa:
THE TRUTH IS NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE GOING AFTER DEATH. ALL LIVING ORGANISM ARE JUST AN EMBODIMENT OF ENERGY. WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE YOU WERE BIRTHED? YOU DONT KNOW, LIKEWISEYOU NOT KNOWING WHERE YOU WILL GO WHEN YOU DIE. CREATOR HAS PUT CREATION INTO AN EVERLASTING LOOP CALLED REPRODUCTION. PEOPEL KEEPDYING AND PEOPLE KEEP GIVING BIRTH ON A DAILY.

WHAT BIRTHED YOU OR CREATED YOU IS THE MIXTURE OF CODE AND ENERGY. YOUR PARENTS EXCHANGED FLUIDS AND MADE YOU, SAME WAY ANIMALS EXCHANGE FLUIDS AND BIRTH THEIR OFFSPRING. WE ARE ALL ENERGY WALKING, TALKING AND DOING GREAT THINGS. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU ENERGY IS TAKEN BACK INTO THE EARTH AND YOUR PHYSICAL AWARENESS ( THIS WORLD) IS GONE. YOU BECOME MANURE, AND YOUR ENERGY FLOWS BACK INTO THE EARTH. WE ARE BEING RECYCLED. YOUR DEAD BODY IS GIVING TO THE EARTH AS DUST, SAND, MANURE ETC, PLANTS GET ENERGY FROM YOUR DEAD AND ROTTEN BODY, HAVE YOU TRIED LEAVING A DEAD BODY IN FIELD, WHAT HAPPENS, IT ROTS AND THE ENERGY IS TAKEN BY THE EARTH AND TRANSFORMED INTO ANOTHER TYPE OF ENERGY, MAYBE NEW PLANT, MUCOUS, FUNGUS ETC..

THE QUSETION ABOUT WHERE WE GO IS ANSWERED IN THIS WRITE UP, WE ARE GOING NO WHERE, WE ONLY TRANSFORM ENERGY THROUGH THE POWER OF THE EARTH(SOIL), WE ARE ALWAYS HERE 100% OF THE TIME. DO YOU IF YOU HAVE EATEN THE ENERGY FROM ANOTHER ANIMAL OR HUMAN, THE PLANT , ANIMALS AND HUMANS ALL GET AND GIVE ENERGY TO ONE ANOTHER.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SPIRITUAL OR RELIGIOUS ANGLE, I WILL SAY THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM. BUT AS FAR AS AM CONCERNED, IF HUMANS DIE, THEY GO NOWHERE, THEY ARE STILL A PART OF THE UNIVERSE..

WHAT MADE YOU ASK THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS TO QUESTION THINGS, TAKE THAT AWAY AND YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE ANIMALS I THE FIELD, YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IS WHAT IS BEGGING THIS QUESTION. WE ALL DONT ACTUALLY DIE, WE JUST ADD TO WHATS INTHE UNIVERSE, WE ARE GOING NOWHERE....

Dtruthspeaker:
So when your neighbour gbensh your wife, you no feel am abi?

slipperyanus07:
Humans never dies we only leave the outer carcass (body) ur consciousness is the real you it never dies it will always exist but in another dimension (spirit world)

Alusiizizi:
No satisfactory explanation of consciousness has yet been presented, indeed, the very definition of the word is hazy at best. Personally, I prefer Dr. Roger Penroses attempt at its description. For those who don't know, Dr. Penrose is a notable theoretical Physics and a Nobel laureate(2023 prize for his theory of trapped surfaces beyond the event horizon of a black hole, thus proving that, given the current understanding of General Relativity, a singularity must form at its center). Basically, his thesis centers around the theory of computation and the Godel incompleteness theorem, which basically asserts that all mathematical systems contains axioms that cannot be proven from within aforementioned mathematical system. What this essentially implies for computation machines, whether we are talking hard code software or even the most advanced A.I, is that the product of any computing machine must directly be correlated to an input, i.e. computing machines cannot create information that was not already fed into it.

Which brings us to the problem of humans. It is a matter of fact that humans routinely create new information, and this is where Penroses theses come to play: Human minds do not obey the Godel incompleteness theorem because the source of human consciousness is not a classical system but a quantum mechanical one, in other words, human minds are actually quantum computers and not classical computers.

Now, what does all this have to do with the final destination of human consciousness? Well, we know that something called "entanglement" is the very center of all quantum processes, which means that human minds, and therefore consciousness, is entangled with the rest of the universe, so perhaps, when a human dies, his body might die but his consciousness could very well linger on.

liveyourlife007:
Where you go after Death depends on how you use your free will.
If your free will on earth was to do good, help people, serve God and have His fear in your heart whenever you want to do something, I mean your conscience, then you will go to Heaven.

But if your free will is otherwise, that is doing bad, for example, you used all your children for money rituals while on earth, Then Hell is your final place of Rest. Sheol. The place of Damnation.

As simple as ABC

MikeofKd:
Well For the Christian religious folks it either heaven or hell , for others I don't know.
Everyone has a belief system subconsciously governing them, for the Christians the fear of hell frightens them to behave morally upright.
But there's no prove that heaven or hell exists , because if the body dies , then the spirit departs from the body , making the body an empty vessel. A spirit outside a body flows up air, it doesn't follow the laws of gravity , a spirit is similar to air precisely , it cannot hold it cannot feel , it cannot touch like a active human body can , so if hell was real how then do you explain fire burning a spirit , since the body is left back on earth , it doesn't make any sense.


In the other the concept of wether heaven or hell is real is purely theoretical , there's also no prove that heaven exists , some brainwashed Christian folks would say heaven is in the sky or above the earth , that's gibberish, backed up with no scientific accuracy or data.

But to answer your question , I don't think anyone fully understands the concept of death but I do to an extent , you see death just like time is an illusion, it's not real , there are traditional ways you can communicate with the dead which leaves you with only more curiosity that if death was actually real why then can we communicate with the dead.

Death is like a trance , leaving one experience ( physical ) to another experience ( spiritual )
I for one think when one dies , there's a switch between 2 worlds which are the ( physical and spiritual world)

so when one dies , he/she goes into the spirits world , now the spirits world is complex unlike the physical world , no one can describe what the spirit world looks like , even people that have died and came back , they didn't enter into the spirit world , you can't return once Ur in the spirit world.
Whatever happens in the spirit world stays in the spirit world but then there's reincarnation so can come back to earth as a human , animal or any living thing. The circle continues until God get bored and pulls the plug I guess.

BODMIC:
Genesis 3:19

" In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return"

Surah Taha 20:55

“From it (the earth) We created you, and into it We will return you, and from it We will bring you forth once again."
Summarily, humans were created from dust,
after death, they return to dust, on the Day of Resurrection, they will be raised again from the dust.

Jazzman01:
It is just normal instinct that all living things carry and exhibit When faced with death/termination. You can observe it in animals and even down to unicellular organisms.

Also the pain that comes when death is about to happen is unbearable and the maximum an individual can ever experience. There's no death that doesn't come with pain, even those that die in their sleep is usually due to organ failure and it is accompanied with excruciating pain and struggle.

Even when the dying person is too weak to show signs of struggle visible to an external observer, the dying person is fighting it internally.