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Lyricalz01:
Hell is a place of death, the real death is hell.

So what exactly goes to hell?

Truthseeker10:
So what exactly goes to hell?

All souls who refuses life shall die (go to hell)
The body doesn't define who you're but your spirit and soul does The entire body may be destroyed, but you still remain the you that you are

Lyricalz01:
All souls who refuses life shall die (go to hell)
The body doesn't define who you're but your spirit and soul does The entire body may be destroyed, but you still remain the you that you are

Can you kindly show us in the bible where the soul or spirit went to hell without the body?

MaxInDHouse:
Paul said the inspired expressions is yet to complete as his own letters are part of the books not the complete message so until the message is complete what they are writing is in parts.

That's the practical application of what you cited!

So that's what this statement below means to you?? Where would Paul be when he'll be seeing "face to face"?

DiarisGodoo:
You are comparing apples and oranges. There have always been gays - they were not invented like soccer or planes. A tiny subsection of society has always been attracted to same sex

You seem to be the one comparing apples and oranges.
Being G*y is not an inborn gender like male and female.
But you seem to want to classify it as a gender or so from your discuss.

Truthseeker10:
Can you kindly show us in the bible where the soul or spirit went to hell without the body?

And also, with what body will the spirit be feeling the pain of the flames?

Cc: Lyricalz01

DiarisGodoo:
So that's what this statement below means to you?? Where would Paul be when he'll be seeing "face to face"?

Paul wasn't talking about himself alone but true believers who will be around when the message is complete.

For instance Paul talked about when the Christ returns to take his anointed brothers to heaven Paul said "we who are alive" 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

Will Paul be around when Jesus return?

The answer is NO.

So he was talking about believers who will be around when the message is complete not that he's talking about himself.

Truthseeker10:
Can you kindly show us in the bible where the soul or spirit went to hell without the body?

Read luke 16 v 19 -31, read also matt 10 v28, rev 21v8.

chimex38:
You seem to be the one comparing apples and oranges.
Being G*y is not an inborn gender like male and female.
But you seem to want to classify it as a gender or so from your discuss.

See below

MaxInDHouse:
Good question!

We are fulfilling the prophecy recorded in Isaiah 2:2-4 repeated in Micah 4:1-3

That's the reason why God introduced Himself achieved by Jehovah's Witnesses globally so let any other God present His or Her evidence if they truly exist! Isaiah 43:10

But you claim y'all don't worship Christ? And Christianity means followers of Christ. Are y'all not Christians?

Lyricalz01:
Read luke 16 v 19 -31, read also matt 10 v28, rev 21v8.

In luke 16, why was the man asking for water to cool his tongue if he was in hell without his physical body?

Matthew 10:28 How come God destroys both body and soul in hell when the body does not go to hell?

Rev 21:8: kindly explain why hell and death is thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14, 15 since you claim that hell is the real death.

SkengRay:
But you claim y'all don't worship Christ? And Christianity means followers of Christ. Are y'all not Christians?

If you want to know what that group name "Christians" means read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 7:21-23

It's not everyone calling him "Lord Lord" claiming he is their master that will enter into the kingdom of heaven but those doing the will of his father.

This means there is an expected goal for Christians to achieve only those meeting up this goal are true Christians! Matthew 7:16-18

MaxInDHouse:
Paul wasn't talking about himself alone but true believers who will be around when the message is complete.

For instance Paul talked about when the Christ returns to take his anointed brothers to heaven Paul said "we who are alive" 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

Will Paul be around when Jesus return?

The answer is NO.

So he was talking about believers who will be around when the message is complete not that he's talking about himself.

So if you see something like you're looking through a dark mirror it is because the thing is not complete and not because you're not looking at it "face to face"??!
So Paul will never know in full since he'd not be around?
I wonder how you folks think sometimes

DiarisGodoo:
So if you see something like you're looking through a dark mirror it is because the thing is not complete and not because you're not looking at it "face to face"??!
So Paul will never know in full since he'd not be around?
I wonder how you folks think sometimes

He used the word "when" which is obviously not in his lifetime nah!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
If you want to know what that group name "Christians" means read what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 7:21-23

It's not everyone calling him "Lord Lord" claiming he is their master that will enter into the kingdom of heaven but those doing the will of his father.

This means there is an expected goal for Christians to achieve only those meeting up this goal are true Christians! Matthew 7:16-18

very I Good but in this verse Jesus was talking as if he and the Father are one. What is your relationship as a JW with Jesus. Who is he to you guys

MaxInDHouse:
He used the word "when" which is obviously not in his lifetime nah!🙂

People like you eh!
1 Corinthians 13:12 obviously signifies that our CURRENT understanding of God and spiritual matters is incomplete and imperfect, like a dim, unclear reflection in a dark, ancient mirror. The passage contrasts this with a future state, AFTER DEATH, when we will be looking at things directly, "face to face", instead of reflection of them!

SkengRay:
very I Good but in this verse Jesus was talking as if he and the Father are one. What is your relationship as a JW with Jesus. Who is he to you guys

In which verse?

Being one with God means in agreement with God:


“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.  I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23

So Jesus is our brother according to him:

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’ John 20:17

This means the father of Jesus is our father and the God Jesus worships is our God!🙂

DiarisGodoo:
People like you eh!
1 Corinthians 13:12 obviously signifies that our CURRENT understanding of God and spiritual matters is incomplete and imperfect, like a dim, unclear reflection in a dark, ancient mirror. The passage contrasts this with a future state, AFTER DEATH, when we will be looking at things directly, "face to face", instead of reflection of them!

Where is the highlighted found in that verse?😟

MaxInDHouse:
Where is the highlighted found in that verse?😟

Again, where would Paul be when he'd be seeing "face to face" or does it mean Paul would never see "face to face"?
Do you have to be spoon-fed everything?

DiarisGodoo:
Again, where would Paul be when he'd be seeing "face to face" or does it mean Paul would never see "face to face"?
Do you have to be spoon-fed everything?

It hasn't come to provocation if you feel we can't agree it's OK others may agree with you but as for saying the dead are learning anything i disagree completely!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
In which verse?

Being one with God means in agreement with God:


“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.  I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23

So Jesus is our brother according to him:

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’ John 20:17

This means the father of Jesus is our father and the God Jesus worships is our God!🙂

Lol but you can't enter Heaven without Jesus he said this in John 14:6 and Acts. 4:12 from this verses it Shows Jesus is the mediator between God and Humans? So I don't get your doctrine.

MaxInDHouse:
It hasn't come to provocation if you feel we can't agree it's OK others may agree with you but as for saying the dead are learning anything i disagree completely!🙂

Who said the dead are learning anything? At a point after death and resurrection you'd be home seeing things directly, "face to face". We here can only perceive the spirit world and spiritual matters indirectly, as a reflection in a dark mirror

SkengRay:
Lol but you can't enter Heaven without Jesus he said this in John 14:6 and Acts. 4:12 from this verses it Shows Jesus is the mediator between God and Humans? So I don't get your doctrine.

It means Jesus is the only worshiper of our God who knows how to worship Him acceptably! Matthew 17:5

DiarisGodoo:
Who said the dead are learning anything? At a point after death and resurrection you'd be home seeing things directly, "face to face". We here can only perceive the spirit world and spiritual matters indirectly, as a reflection in a dark mirror

If that's your understanding no wahala to us it means Christians can only achieve what God promised when the message is complete unlike when the Bible was in parts!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
It means Jesus is the only worshiper of our God who knows how to worship Him acceptably! Matthew 17:5

You don't just bring in another Point of View. Have some Guts and debunk those verses. Is what he said in those verses false?. The verse you posted is only Certifies Jesus Is Was Sent by God. Do y'all believe he's the way to God and no other way.

Truthseeker10:
In luke 16, why was the man asking for water to cool his tongue if he was in hell without his physical body?

Matthew 10:28 How come God destroys both body and soul in hell when the body does not go to hell?

Rev 21:8: kindly explain why hell and death is thrown into the lake of fire in Revelation 20:14, 15 since you claim that hell is the real death.

1st question: luke 16 was talking about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, sure the body remains in the earth and decays, the body cant go with the spirit and soul after death. The rich man was in torment with the feeling of thirst, even if he sees water, can spirit drink water? No. When we dream sometime we see ourselves doing things like eating, etc but that doesn't mean the food we eat or whatever happens there affects the physical body.
So in the case of the rich man, its not that physical body.

2nd question. Normally the physical body dies and decays in hell (grave), and the soul that sinneth also goes to hell .
That bible verse is telling you to fear only God who cannot only destroy the body

3rd question, rev 20 v14 is talking about the final judgment, where those who are condemned in hell will cast in the lake of fire, hell is different from hell fire. Hell fire is not in existence now till after the final judgment after the reign of Christ for 1,000 years.

DiarisGodoo:
See below

Hmmm.
Sexual orientation from birth.
Never looked into this before. You have a point.

That being said, let's look at the following living realities.

1) So how does a 2yr-12yr old child know his/her sexual orientation when at that age bracket, it's all pre-puberty.

2)Based on reality, There are stories of "supposed Homos" who still end up sleeping with opposite? what does it say?
Where did such attraction come from all of a sudden?

3) also, I believe Vast majority of people in this category are more of sexual preferences(choose)
than sexual orientation.

4) also, i tend to believe it's more of a genetic dysfunction(no insult intended) than a sort of birth-orientation.

At the very least, without being biblical, It has no evolution reason, so to what end?

More research will need to be done then. I think as these researches will be few and recent. Counter researches will exist.
There isn't a general consensus yet I suppose.

SkengRay:
You don't just bring in another Point of View. Have some Guts and debunk those verses. Is what he said in those verses false?. The verse you posted is only Certifies Jesus Is Was Sent by God. Do y'all believe he's the way to God and no other way.

English dictionary: COMMUNICATION?

A passageway or opening between two locations.

So just as God promised that there will be a highway of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} Jesus is the prophet who came to fulfill that prophecy! John 14:6

We don't just read the Bible we look for it's practical application!

Lyricalz01:
1st question: luke 16 was talking about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, sure the body remains in the earth and decays, the body cant go with the spirit and soul after death. The rich man was in torment with the feeling of thirst, even if he sees water, can spirit drink water? No. When we dream sometime we see ourselves doing things like eating, etc but that doesn't mean the food we eat or whatever happens there affects the physical body.
So in the case of the rich man, its not that physical body.

So how could the man feel thirsty for water without a physical body?

2nd question. Normally the physical body dies and decays in hell (grave), and the soul that sinneth also goes to hell .
That bible verse is telling you to fear only God who cannot only destroy the body

Oga are you saying that hell and grave is the same?
Does not your bible say that God destroys both body and soul in hell, So when did the body start going to hell?

3rd question, rev 20 v14 is talking about the final judgment, where those who are condemned in hell will cast in the lake of fire, hell is different from hell fire. Hell fire is not in existence now till after the final judgment after the reign of Christ for 1,000 years.

🤣🤣🤣what is the difference between hell and hell fire?
you said people will be cast from hell to lake of fire....so where is "hell fire" in all of this?

MaxInDHouse:
If that's your understanding no wahala to us it means Christians can only achieve what God promised when the message is complete unlike when the Bible was in parts!🙂

So how come you still can't perceive spirituality and the spirit world clearly or is the message still not complete. Further, do you think you understand these things better than Paul?

DiarisGodoo:
So how come you still can't perceive spirituality and the spirit world clearly or is the message still not complete. Further, do you think you understand these things better than Paul?

God's purpose for establishing faith in Christ is to connect all faithful people throughout the world and make them one! Isaiah 2:2-4

No first century disciple of Christ witnessed this but with the help of the complete Bible we have achieved it today!

MaxInDHouse:
English dictionary: COMMUNICATION?

A passageway or opening between two locations.

So just as God promised that there will be a highway of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} Jesus is the prophet who came to fulfill that prophecy! John 14:6

We don't just read the Bible we look for it's practical application!

as a depth Psychologist we tend to try to study beliefs how they originate. JW is different from other Mainstream Christianity so I want to Really understand for real. So I need direct answers Bible verses alone ain't just cutting in it.
1. JW don't believe in the Idea of Trinity? I know you guys have different views compared to others churches Share them with me. I'm the most liberal free Spirited free thinker you'd ever meet. JW don't see Jesus the way other churches just gimme clear Explanations just like I did mine.