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Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by InvertedHammer: 3:14pm On Nov 23, 2025
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Prayers have not saved those alive. I can imagine what it does to the dead.

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Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by tctrills: 3:32pm On Nov 23, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I have gotten a reasonable audience and that's all we are sent to do! Luke 10:6



So it's OK continue with your folks!🙂
Good for you, you have someone who buys what you sell.
Let me start a little discussion with your new friend
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by tctrills: 3:34pm On Nov 23, 2025
timilehin007:
Pls, which church do you worship. I think your explaination seems more meaningful and worth paying attention to, I want to know more. Which is your denomination amongst the churches
MaxInDHouse has been quoting you to me as his new disciple. So I felt it would be interesting to understand your point of view and involve you in discussion if you feel like.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:46pm On Nov 23, 2025
tctrills:
Good for you, you have someone who buys what you sell. Let me start a little discussion with your new friend
You think it's that easy to speak what is appealing to people?

Go ahead and convince him to forget what he read! Matthew 13:4
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by meobizy(m): 3:56pm On Nov 23, 2025
Keep worrying about death while alive. I’m busy enjoying life while it is granted.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:57pm On Nov 23, 2025
tctrills:
MaxInDHouse has been quoting you to me as his new disciple. So I felt it would be interesting to understand your point of view and involve you in discussion if you feel like.
Chai!

So someone asking for the church where i learned what he heard becomes my disciple automatically! cheesy

Which church you dey go?

You will not answer but you are always crying that you want to teach people while i keep directing people to my church (Jehovah's Witnesses organization)

So between you and i who is seeking followers for himself? Act 20:30 cheesy
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by CTNCONCEPT:
Zocalite:
I saw the video of bandits slaughtering a captive and they were shouting "allahu akbar"

When army finish them

So the good children of those criminals will plant fruit and do borehole so they will go heaven

Lolzzzzz 🤣
Making heaven is not a childs play , if you do evil on earth no amount of prayers and good deed for that dead person can help, what am trying to say is prayer definitely meet the dead but is left to God to grant it. Prayer ease the situation of the dead in the grave (Barzakh) but not that you will not answer for your sin accordingly.
Discussion like this are for deep hearted individuals that really want to research base on the available scripture on the spiritual aspect of life.
Our reasoning or intelligence some time can't help, please there are guides God has provided for us to follow on earth. God did not just create and dump us here to live anyhow, that is why there is a day of judgement.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by timilehin007(m): 5:13pm On Nov 23, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I was shocked too the first time i heard what you are hearing now because i wasn't born a JW but i was so drawn to it that i determined to know more.
You and i can start a Bible study here but i have to contact my brothers in your neighborhood to continue the study because if Jehovah's Witnesses don't pray with you you can't remember what you are learning neither can you know how to apply scriptures rightly.

If you are ready please read the screenshot and answer the question.
You see this screenshot, the context therein, have been curious about them all this while. Let me first tell you myself and the position I'm regarding religion, christianity and Jesus.
I dont fancy religion at all, I dont blv in any religion as it is man set up. I dont entirely agree that jesus is all what christian think he is..I blv being Islam, Christian and the rest religion, people didnt choose to be any of them at will..it was unavoidable situation. Like growing up into the system. And we became Christian cuz our fathers were, same thing as the muslims..so, the way people defend their religion as the number one and only acceptable by God, if they were born and grew up into the other religion, they'd still defend the religion as the only acceptable by God..thus, mKe me feels religion is intentional set up. I don't know how to type so much without mincing words. I'm sure u understand my positions to Christianity, religion and Jesus
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by timilehin007(m): 5:15pm On Nov 23, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I was shocked too the first time i heard what you are hearing now because i wasn't born a JW but i was so drawn to it that i determined to know more.
You and i can start a Bible study here but i have to contact my brothers in your neighborhood to continue the study because if Jehovah's Witnesses don't pray with you you can't remember what you are learning neither can you know how to apply scriptures rightly.

If you are ready please read the screenshot and answer the question.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:20pm On Nov 23, 2025
You found my comment appealing but you have concluded that i was born into the religion i practice shey?

Well i wasn't even born a Christian to start with so if you want to know how i got to this level of understanding ask whatever question that's bothering you.

There is a reason why everything about faith in God sounds unreasonable from the standpoint of religions around you.

So stay calm and ask your questions true Christians will never ever get upset due to sincere and thought provoking questions you are asking!

timilehin007:
You see this screenshot, the context therein, have been curious about them all this while. Let me first tell you myself and the position I'm regarding religion, christianity and Jesus.
I dont fancy religion at all, I dont blv in any religion as it is man set up. I dont entirely agree that jesus is all what christian think he is..I blv being Islam, Christian and the rest religion, people didnt choose to be any of them at will..it was unavoidable situation. Like growing up into the system. And we became Christian cuz our fathers were, same thing as the muslims..so, the way people defend their religion as the number one and only acceptable by God, if they were born and grew up into the other religion, they'd still defend the religion as the only acceptable by God..thus, mKe me feels religion is intentional set up. I don't know how to type so much without mincing words. I'm sure u understand my positions to Christianity, religion and Jesus
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by Zocalite: 5:31pm On Nov 23, 2025
psalmsjob:
"This statement is a Fallacy", sounds like; "This man heals by the power of demons". grin

But

Let me ask, do you mean which "me" do "I" attend?

I am the church of the living God myself just as every Christian is but many so called Christians worship the church building just as Judaism views the temple or synagogue and were angry when Jesus referred to his body as the temple of God grin they couldn't understand that just as you can't understand me and my answer....
You have to know that I responded to your statement because am a born again Christian

Not a dogmatic follow follow one

You can't serve two master, so your quote doesn't work
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by Zocalite: 5:37pm On Nov 23, 2025
CTNCONCEPT:
Making heaven is not a childs play , if you do evil on earth no amount of prayers and good deed for that dead person can help, what am trying to say is praying definitely meet the dead but is left to God to grant it. Prayer ease the situation of the dead in the grave (Barzakh) but not that you will not answer for your sin accordingly.
Discussion like this are for deep hearted individuals that really want to research base on the available scripture on the spiritual aspect of life.
Our reasoning or intelligence some time can't help, please there are guides God has provided for us to follow on earth. God did not just create and dump us here to live anyhow, that is why there is a day of judgement.
Lolzzzzz 🤣

I know you are talking from belief of islam, that's why I gave you practical examples

Not spiritual examples

Though you commented on a Christian tread

All the same it's laughable
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by psalmsjob: 8:07pm On Nov 23, 2025
Zocalite:
You have to know that I responded to your statement because am a born again Christian

Not a dogmatic follow follow one

You can't serve two master, so your quote doesn't work
There's nothing like a "born again Christian". It's either you're a Christian or not... to be born again is to be a Christian so you cannot be a born again Christian.

Study to show yourself approved of God a workman who needs not to be afraid but rightly dividing the word of truth.

Admit what you do not know or understand don't try to claim to know what you don't know....study you Bible with that mindset and not in the false sense of righteousness that's not grounded on scripture.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by Zocalite: 8:11pm On Nov 23, 2025
psalmsjob:
There's nothing like a "born again Christian". It's either you're a Christian or not... to be born again is to be a Christian so you cannot be a born again Christian.

Study to show yourself approved of God a workman who needs not to be afraid but rightly dividing the word of truth.

Admit what you do not know or understand don't try to claim to know what you don't know....study you Bible with that mindset and not in the false sense of righteousness that's not grounded on scripture.
Lolzzzzz 🤣

I know you type

May God deliver the folks you are confusing from your fangs
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by psalmsjob: 8:20pm On Nov 23, 2025
MadamExcellency:
You can not be a Church. If you don't know the meaning of a Church, use vernacular to explain. Temple is not the same thing as a Church.

Read the passage below and tell me how you know what a church is than Jesus Christ?

Matthew 18:15-17 KJV
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. [16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. [17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
There is nothing like "Church" in this passage. Firstly, the "church" or more properly translated is "assembly" began after just resurrection and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit not during the ministry of Jesus as it is in Mathew.

Many Christians are being misled through various translations of the Bible. I always use the concordant literal translation. Mso check this out compared to what you quoted:

The text of Matthew 18:15-17 in the Concordant Literal New Testament (CLNT) emphasizes a precise, word-for-word translation to maintain consistency with the original Greek.
The passage reads:

15 "Now if your brother may be sinning, go and show him his fault between you and him alone. If he may be hearing you, you did gain your brother. 16 But if he may not be hearing, take along with you one or two more, that upon the mouth of two or three witnesses every saying may be established. 17 Now if he should be hearing them not, say to the assembly. Now if he should be hearing the assembly also not, let him be to you as the Gentile and the tax collector."

The Concordant Method of translation, used in this version, adheres to a strict standard of using the same English word for the same Greek word whenever possible. This approach aims to provide readers with a literal understanding of the original text and its internal consistency, sometimes resulting in phrasing that is slightly less "natural" than in other English translations like the NIV or KJV, but more consistent with the underlying Greek vocabulary
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by psalmsjob: 8:29pm On Nov 23, 2025
Zocalite:
Lolzzzzz 🤣

I know you type

May God deliver the folks you are confusing from your fangs
That's what the Pharisees called Jesus in his time here... Your type claims to draw people to God but end up making them far far away from him with your institutionalized doctrines and rules which is not sound scriptural.

Those who have ears have heard me and the Holy Spirit will make it clearer to them... But you there's no saving left for you because your ego will not let you agree because it breaks everything down to nothing for you. The lofty heights you have built for yourself will crash if you admit the truth you just read so rather than do that you prefer to dismiss me with that cheap statement when you are the one who is confused.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by Lovelydaisies: 9:52pm On Nov 23, 2025
Praying for the dead is a prayer for mercy upon their souls. We know not where they go or where they are. Only God can judge.

And by the way, if the righteous man sins seven time a day, and he dies in his 'righteous state', where will he go? If you are God, will you cleanse that soul or not? For it's said that no unclean soul shall see God.

Catholics believe in purgatory and pray for the souls there in the month of November, everyday. Specially. It's not that praying for the dead isn't done all the time. It's serious for us.

May we not die in mortal sin, sin that condemns one to hell, and can only be washed away by going for confession. And may God pardon our sins, especially those we don't even know.

It's not always black and white.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by tctrills: 10:35pm On Nov 23, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Chai!

So someone asking for the church where i learned what he heard becomes my disciple automatically! cheesy

Which church you dey go?

You will not answer but you are always crying that you want to teach people while i keep directing people to my church (Jehovah's Witnesses organization)

So between you and i who is seeking followers for himself? Act 20:30 cheesy
Lol
I never casked for a follower, just for a discussion, don't be scared my boy.
Be calm
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by tctrills: 10:37pm On Nov 23, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You think it's that easy to speak what is appealing to people?

Go ahead and convince him to forget what he read! Matthew 13:4
So yes everyone has what appeals to him, if you meet someone who your message appeals to, the work is done. I am in marketing so I understand that every product has a market. Even bad products can be marketed.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:24am On Nov 24, 2025
tctrills:
Lol
I never casked for a follower, just for a discussion, don't be scared my boy.
Be calm
You keep begging people to make you their TEACHER so you can't deceive them they know you are seeking followers for yourself.
On the other hand i am calling people to the organization teaching me so there is a big difference.
You can't direct whoever decides to learn from you to any church because it's all about what you fabricated all by yourself {John 8:44} but i will tell them to ask for the Kingdom Hall of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES anywhere they are!wink
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:36am On Nov 24, 2025
tctrills:
So yes everyone has what appeals to him, if you meet someone who your message appeals to, the work is done. I am in marketing so I understand that every product has a market. Even bad products can be marketed.
Jesus always say what he sent us out to preach is like a marketing work {Matthew 13:45-46 compare to Revelations 22:17} and it's a few that will find it appealing {2Thessalonians 3:2} so there is no doubt about that. wink
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by Cromagnon: 9:30am On Nov 24, 2025
JooEeL:
We will awaken this delulu generation by fire by force.

Imagine preaching hell and heaven in this 21st century! What effrontery! When black africans go get common sense sef. cheesy
Why e de pain you
Shebi no he'll fire
Why you come de ginger
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by tctrills: 9:46am On Nov 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus always say what he sent us out to preach is like a marketing work {Matthew 13:45-46 compare to Revelations 22:17} and it's a few that will find it appealing {2Thessalonians 3:2} so there is no doubt about that. wink
You make my point, there is always someone for every doctrine no matter how false it is
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by tctrills: 9:48am On Nov 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You keep begging people to make you their TEACHER so you can't deceive them they know you are seeking followers for yourself.
On the other hand i am calling people to the organization teaching me so there is a big difference.
You can't direct whoever decides to learn from you to any church because it's all about what you fabricated all by yourself {John 8:44} but i will tell them to ask for the Kingdom Hall of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES anywhere they are!wink
My boy, I only asked for a discussion not to teach him. I am not a marketer like you. We are so different.
The goal is not to derect people to hell through your lies, I don't know why you are excited about directing people to an organization that destroys them spiritually.
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by OctavianAC(m): 9:52am On Nov 24, 2025
sunnyfats:
From my research

Hebrew 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement

This is not the final judgement tho

See the following proof

John.5.28 - Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
John.5.29 - and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.


Dan.12.2 - And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.



From the bible, we understand that
HELL is a place of torment
HELLFIRE is like a lake of fire in a city called hell
Later on, the whole of hell will be crushed into that lake
Rev.20.14 - Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Those who die with bad character and records are going to hell (not yet the lake of fire)

Im still researching on where the righteous ones go....so I am open to learning too..
You get time o, they don't know scriptures and they don't want to know. Their mind have been programmed not to know. I am Catholic evangelist. How does the Holy Spirit lead a man into preaching without first teaching him eschatology? The Holy Spirit is not a spirit of shame and disgrace that will lead you into preaching what you cannot defend. If He has called you, won't He teach you what He has called you into?
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:04am On Nov 24, 2025
tctrills:
You make my point, there is always someone for every doctrine no matter how false it is
Pharisees also called Jesus false nah! smiley

tctrills:
My boy, I only asked for a discussion not to teach him. I am not a marketer like you. We are so different.
The goal is not to derect people to hell through your lies, I don't know why you are excited about directing people to an organization that destroys them spiritually.
This thing really pained you o!🤔
So you are desperately seeking ways to discourage this person but i will stop responding to your blabbing. Proverbs 26:4 smiley
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by tctrills: 11:31am On Nov 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Pharisees also called Jesus false nah! smiley


This thing really pained you o!🤔
So you are desperately seeking ways to discourage this person but i will stop responding to your blabbing. Proverbs 26:4 smiley
Lol, now you are acting like your age, making childish jokes.
I only said I want to discuss, but you have been so nervous. Take it easy, bro. If he is yours, he is yours. I am not in the business of marketing. If you are uncomfortable with your sheep, timilehin007 discussing with me, just tell me, and I will not push. Happy now?
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by Zocalite: 12:26pm On Nov 24, 2025
psalmsjob:
That's what the Pharisees called Jesus in his time here... Your type claims to draw people to God but end up making them far far away from him with your institutionalized doctrines and rules which is not sound scriptural.

Those who have ears have heard me and the Holy Spirit will make it clearer to them... But you there's no saving left for you because your ego will not let you agree because it breaks everything down to nothing for you. The lofty heights you have built for yourself will crash if you admit the truth you just read so rather than do that you prefer to dismiss me with that cheap statement when you are the one who is confused.
You are just an orator. I know your kind. Found brainwashing students in campuses



From what you and I have wrote so far, who's dishing out institutionalized doctrines and rules without scriptural foothold

Abi you have forgotten what you wrote that I first comment on, you even said there's nothing like born again Christian

may the might hand of God deliver the folks you confuse from your fangs Amen

Cos I know how their lives will become
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by psalmsjob: 12:55pm On Nov 24, 2025
Zocalite:
You are just an orator. I know your kind. Found brainwashing students in campuses



From what you and I have wrote so far, who's dishing out institutionalized doctrines and rules without scriptural foothold

Abi you have forgotten what you wrote that I first comment on, you even said there's nothing like born again Christian

may the might hand of God deliver the folks you confuse from your fangs Amen

Cos I know how their lives will become
Yes I said there's nothing like born again Christian and that it is either you say; you are born again or you are a Christian because they mean the same thing and that is if you know what you're talking but because you don't know what you are talking about beyond what your pastor say or what you found Christian say or what you know it to be.

You are clinging on to Church doctrine while I telling you to leave church doctrine and follow Jesus purely so as to be set free from bondage of religion which Jesus did not call you into, he saves from such religion be it Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Christianity etc because religion has never saved anyone from disobeying God and it's consequences.

Doing religious work is not a path to salvation but keep the faith that it is only Jesus who can give you salvation and rest from the unending fruitless working of the law that say do this and don't do that.

I pray God opens your understanding before you become bitter and angry when you see that people who are not as religious as you are living a life of praise to God yet yours is full of request upon request, revival this month , next month and every year yet nothing changes. grin
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by Zocalite: 3:35pm On Nov 24, 2025
psalmsjob:
Yes I said there's nothing like born again Christian and that it is either you say; you are born again or you are a Christian because they mean the same thing and that is if you know what you're talking but because you don't know what you are talking about beyond what your pastor say or what you found Christian say or what you know it to be.

You are clinging on to Church doctrine while I telling you to leave church doctrine and follow Jesus purely so as to be set free from bondage of religion which Jesus did not call you into, he saves from such religion be it Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Christianity etc because religion has never saved anyone from disobeying God and it's consequences.

Doing religious work is not a path to salvation but keep the faith that it is only Jesus who can give you salvation and rest from the unending fruitless working of the law that say do this and don't do that.

I pray God opens your understanding before you become bitter and angry when you see that people who are not as religious as you are living a life of praise to God yet yours is full of request upon request, revival this month , next month and every year yet nothing changes. grin
Lolzzzzz 🤣

From the bolded, see your life, you are even more parochial than I envisage


You have even resulted to semantics, alawada.

....
I know your type, confusionist of young people, but you shall not succeed
Re: Does Praying For The Dead Make Them Go To Heaven? by JooEeL(m): 4:32pm On Nov 24, 2025
Cromagnon:
Why e de pain you
Shebi no he'll fire
Why you come de ginger
Funny boy. How many times do u see me preach about this?

When we make statements like this going so hard, it is to checkmate the rebound of the inner consciousness of a typical black believer who would otherwise have judgmentally termed us rebellious and blasphemous.

Can't you see how your tone is cool? 10 to 15 yrs ago, we all know how u guys used to comment: "You're going to hell", "You are of ur father the devil", "I pity you and your offspring"...

These days wey the energy levels don match, many xtians are not as judgmental as before and now more than ever before, conversations and arguments can be held much more respectfully.
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