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essentialone:
Not just HND alone. Also the shackles of NECO.

NECO and NABTEB aren't recognized outside Nigeria

babakb:
NECO and NABTEB aren't recognized outside Nigeria

They are not ooo. Extreme waste of funds. The fact that you may be lucky to see a school abroad accept your NECO does not change the fact on ground. Avoid NECO completely.

babakb:
Nigga, Life didn't happen to anyone and I ain't laughing at no one, I mentioned it here that I'm a HND Graduate myself.

But the nail has to be hit at the right spot.

The Federal and State government are using Polytechnics to SCAM citizens with worthless certificates, I want the citizens affected to understand what's going on, they have an option to avoid Polytechnics and choose University Education.

No one is under compulsion to study in a Polytechnic, I wasn't forced to study in a Polytechnic either.

The government has obviously refused to upgrade Polytechnics to award B.Tech degrees, I expect the Citizens to use their intellect and avoid Polytechnics.

We don't need any protest to change things in Nigeria, we just need to avoid being scammed by our Government.

First of all, please be assured that no everyone is interested in working in academic setting(s). For the ND or HND gratudates, just get a professional certification and save yourself from all these stress. Even KPMG and other members of 'Big Four" do not discriminate against you.

PinkNature:
Only a few will understand. Some even go as far as selling the lie that polytechnic graduates are well grounded in practicals.

Hahaha, a 2.2 university graduate have the probability of getting more pay than the best polytechnic graduate if they're both employed in the same place of work.

NB: I attended a polytechnic, but currently running a university program because I know what's up.

Continue deceiving yourself.

Omonigeriarere:
First of all, please be assured that no everyone is interested in working in academic setting(s). For the ND or HND gratudates, just get a professional certification and save yourself from all these stress. Even KPMG and other members of 'Big Four" do not discriminate against you.

Even the Polytechnics don't employ HND graduates as lecturers I refuse to take the back seat, I'll be rounding up my BSc program in February next year.

I'm already tracking fully funded scholarships that I can apply to because I'll be eligible very soon.

I wouldn't have been able to think of any scholarship with only HND !!!

babakb:
Even the Polytechnics don't employ HND graduates as lecturers I refuse to take the back seat, I'll be rounding up my BSc program in February next year.

I'm already tracking fully funded scholarships that I can apply to because I'll be eligible very soon.

I wouldn't have been able to think of any scholarship with only HND !!!

It doesn't take away my earlier position. Instead of worrying yourself about HND palaver, simply get a professional certification in your area of specialization and put your mind at rest. I have never seen any of the 'Big four' in accounting line discriminating against HND with professional certification.

Less than 5% of Nigerian graduates work in academic setting as our lecturers are still there refusing to vacate their positions since donkey years.

Omonigeriarere:
It doesn't take away my earlier position. Instead of worrying yourself about HND palaver, simply get a professional certification in your area of specialization and put your mind at rest. I have never seen any of the 'Big four' in accounting line discriminating against HND with professional certification.

Less than 5% of Nigerian graduates work in academic setting as our lecturers are still there refusing to vacate their positions since donkey years.

We are in a global world now, but you're narrowing everything to the Accounting profession, of course I know that Nigerian Accounting graduate can get ICAN certified with their HND, but tell me why I would stick to a certificate that would limit my career or global outreach?

Do you know that HND graduates can't go above level 14 in Nigerian Federal or State Civil Service?
Do you know that HND graduates are not eligible for PTDF and other Federal Government Masters Scholarships in Nigeria or Abroad?
Do you know that COREN no longer certify HND graduates as engineers?
Do you know that HND graduates are not eligible for fully funded Masters Scholarships to countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy, Malaysia, Turkey, France, Russia, China etc?
Do you know that ACCA is affiliated with Oxford Brookes University to enable those certified by ACCA to obtain a Bachelor's Degree.

Again, why should a young Nigerian limit himself by sticking to HND certificate? Having a BSc certificate is way beyond being in Academics, you can use it to connect with the global community.

babakb:
We are in a global world now, but you're narrowing everything to the Accounting profession, of course I know that Nigerian Accounting graduate can get ICAN certified with their HND, but tell me why I would stick to a certificate that would limit my career or global outreach?

Do you know that HND graduates can't go above level 14 in Nigerian Federal or State Civil Service?
Do you know that HND graduates are not eligible for PTDF and other Federal Government Masters Scholarships in Nigeria or Abroad?
Do you know that COREN no longer certify HND graduates as engineers?
Do you know that HND graduates are not eligible for fully funded Masters Scholarships to countries like Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Croatia, Italy, Malaysia, Turkey, France, Russia, China etc?
Do you know that ACCA is affiliated with Oxford Brookes University to enable those certified by ACCA to obtain a Bachelor's Degree.

Again, why should a young Nigerian limit himself by sticking to HND certificate? Having a BSc certificate is way beyond being in Academics, you can use it to connect with the global community.

We have some many Bsc holders all around how many of them have gotten the benefits you listed?

What has changed in your life since you got your BSc?

Has your BSc brought great connection to your life and has that connection changed your life for the better?

Coder2Client:
We have some many Bsc holders all around how many of them have gotten the benefits you listed?

What has changed in your life since you got your BSc?

Has your BSc brought great connection to your life and has that connection changed your life for the better?

Over 1,000 Nigerian BSc graduates secure fully funded scholarships abroad every year, If you know you know and if you don't so be it.

babakb:
Over 1,000 Nigerian BSc graduates secure fully funded scholarships abroad every year, If you know you know and if you don't so be it.

Can you give me accurate figures?

Okay, let's assume the accurate figure is 2k BSc holders.

How many BSc holders are applying and how many are getting it? I expect all the applicants to get full scholarship based on your compaign against Polytechnic education.

Please, answer this☝️

Besides, you have not answered my questions.

You made me to do a little research about HND holders getting scholarship and I stumbled upon some who got full scholarship with their HND.

No

Coder2Client:
Can you give me accurate figures?

Okay, let's assume the accurate figure is 2k BSc holders.

How many BSc holders are applying and how many are getting it? I expect all the applicants to get full scholarship based on your compaign against Polytechnic education.

Please, answer this☝️

Besides, you have not answered my questions.

You made me to do a little research about HND holders getting scholarship and I stumbled upon some who got full scholarship with their HND.

Please keep going to Polytechnics, All I know is even Polytechnics don't employ HND graduates as lecturers, Polytechnics employ University graduates to Lecture.

The management of Polytechnics know very well that a Diploma will always remain a Diploma whether HND or PGD.

As per your Answer!!!

Zenith Bank, Stanbic IBTC, GTB, Polaris Bank, UBA, Access Bank, Eco Bank etc don't employ HND graduates as core staff, except contract, which means they basically don't have a career there.

Polytechnics can't train Medical Doctors, Pharmacists, Radiographers, Medical Lab Scientists etc

Talking about scholarships! Go and check PTDF Scholarship that is run by the Nigerian Government, HND graduates are not eligible, is this not enough reason to avoid Polytechnics.
COREN won't certify HND graduates except they do PGD and Masters and acquire a minimum of 2 years working experience, whereas their BSc, BTec, BEng counterpart get certified immediately after presenting their Bachelor's Degree.

If you still can't see the advantages of BSc over HND then I don't know what to say to you

babakb:
No

Please keep going to Polytechnics, All I know is even Polytechnics don't employ HND graduates as lecturers, Polytechnics employ University graduates to Lecture.

The management of Polytechnics know very well that a Diploma will always remain a Diploma whether HND or PGD.

As per your Answer!!!

Zenith Bank, Stanbic IBTC, GTB, Polaris Bank, UBA, Access Bank, Eco Bank etc don't employ HND graduates as core staff, except contract, which means they basically don't have a career there.

Polytechnics can't train Medical Doctors, Pharmacists, Radiographers, Medical Lab Scientists etc

Talking about scholarships! Go and check PTDF Scholarship that is run by the Nigerian Government, HND graduates are not eligible, is this not enough reason to avoid Polytechnics.
COREN won't certify HND graduates except they do PGD and Masters and acquire a minimum of 2 years working experience, whereas their BSc, BTec, BEng counterpart get certified immediately after presenting their Bachelor's Degree.

If you still can't see the advantages of BSc over HND then I don't know what to say to you

You are still regurgitating the same old story.

I am more particular about you. Ever since you acquired your BSc, what has changed in your life? What sort of connection have you made that has transformed your life due to the BSc you hold?

Stop regurgitating the same old story.

KPMG company used to to state in their job advert that HND holders should not apply what has changed lately that they now include HND in the job requirements?

Can you search about the HND holders who had got full scholarship and see for yourself?

Your mentality has brought Nigeria where it is today. Glorifying certificates when Chinese people who only have technical skills are making things happen you are here worshiping certificate.

Coder2Client:
You are still regurgitating the same old story.

I am more particular about you. Ever since you acquired your BSc, what has changed in your life? What sort of connection have you made that has transformed your life due to the BSc you hold?

Stop regurgitating the same old story.

KPMG company used to to state in their job advert that HND holders should not apply what has changed lately that they now include HND in the job requirements?

Can you search about the HND holders who had got full scholarship and see for yourself?

Your mentality has brought Nigeria where it is today. Glorifying certificates when Chinese people who only have technical skills are making things happen you are here worshiping certificate.

So it's only KPMG that recruit's HND, what a sad story for HND graduates

The onus is on you to mention HND graduates that got fully funded scholarships, you failed to mention any and you want me to do the homework for you

You're asking if anything has changed for me since I obtained my BSc? If I answer you now, you'll insist that I'm regurgitating Anyways I'll list some for you:

This month, I applied for the World Economic Forum Cohort! (Google it)

I've been applying to Teach English in Japan and I've gotten a direction on what to do to land one.

I'll apply for The Swedish Institute Scholarship for Global Professionals between now and end of February next year.

HND graduates are not eligible to apply for all of these👆

I'm I still regurgitating?

babakb:
So it's only KPMG that recruit's HND, what a sad story for HND graduates

The onus is on you to mention HND graduates that got fully funded scholarships, you failed to mention any and you want me to do the homework for you

You're asking if anything has changed for me since I obtained my BSc? If I answer you now, you'll insist that I'm regurgitating Anyways I'll list some for you:

This month, I applied for the World Economic Forum Cohort! (Google it)

I've been applying to Teach English in Japan and I've gotten a direction on what to do to land one.

I'll apply for The Swedish Institute Scholarship for Global Professionals between now and end of February next year.

HND graduates are not eligible to apply for all of these👆

I'm I still regurgitating?

Yes. You are still regurgitating.

All what you are saying is I have applied, I am applying for so so and so. I have not seen any improvement in your life since you acquired BSc based on what you have said so far.

There are have been some BSc holders who are jobless with their 2:1 and even first class. Why are they not getting those benefits you mentioned of BSc holders?

I have seen some ND holders who are working in IT firms and are making more money than you ever dreamed of.

What's your course of study?

I cited KPMG as example because about 12 or 15 years ago they always state it that HND holders are not eligible to apply but now they are eligible. I asked what has changed?

How many companies do you know?

I am more particular about you because you think life revolve around certificates.

There are many HND holders who later acquired BSc and their lives changed but your own is still hanging on mere dreams.

There are many HND holders who are working in companies you will ever dreamed of.

There are some SSCE holders who learned tech skills and are making big money from their homes you are here crying BSc this BSc that.

Wake up.

The onus is on you to mention HND graduates that got fully funded scholarships, you failed to mention any and you want me to do the homework for you smiley smiley smiley

You are not informed at all.

About 3 to 4 years ago. A Polytechnic graduate from ilaro got full scholarship for PhD without master degree. That is just 1 in many.

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That being said, I always tell students they should not only use one source. It is a good idea to compare several different consultancy services, read reviews, and speak to advisers directly to determine which advisers understand your unique goals. Different types of support will be required by each student and therefore what works for one student, may not work for another.

I have personally had a very positive experience with investigating my options through Optimum Global Links, but the bottom line for every student is finding the consultancy service that meets your needs.

Coder2Client:
Yes. You are still regurgitating.

All what you are saying is I have applied, I am applying for so so and so. I have not seen any improvement in your life since you acquired BSc based on what you have said so far.

There are have been some BSc holders who are jobless with their 2:1 and even first class. Why are they not getting those benefits you mentioned of BSc holders?

I have seen some ND holders who are working in IT firms and are making more money than you ever dreamed of.

What's your course of study?

I cited KPMG as example because about 12 or 15 years ago they always state it that HND holders are not eligible to apply but now they are eligible. I asked what has changed?

How many companies do you know?

I am more particular about you because you think life revolve around certificates.

There are many HND holders who later acquired BSc and their lives changed but your own is still hanging on mere dreams.

There are many HND holders who are working in companies you will ever dreamed of.

There are some SSCE holders who learned tech skills and are making big money from their homes you are here crying BSc this BSc that.

Wake up.



You are not informed at all.

About 3 to 4 years ago. A Polytechnic graduate from ilaro got full scholarship for PhD without master degree. That is just 1 in many.

You're really pained by my stance🤓🤓🤓

So you think I'm that dumb to come and state my personal achievements here

I'd rather put you in suspense so you continue to make your assumptions 🤗🤗🤗

You call it regurgitation but I call them facts and I'll state them here again!!

Polytechnics that train HND graduates don't employ them as Lecturers, they employ University graduates all through, they relegate HND graduates to the lab as technologists.

Apart from First Bank and Fidelity Bank, No Bank in Nigeria employs HND graduates as core staff of the bank, they only employ them as contract staff.

COREN doesn't certify HND graduates as Engineers, they only certify Degree holders.
HND graduates must obtain PGDEng and MEng plus a minimum of 2 years working experience before they are certified.

HND graduates are not eligible for all National and International Masters Scholarships ( I know you hate this very one)

HND graduates don't go beyond level 14 in federal and state civil service regardless of their additional qualifications except they obtained a Bachelor's Degree in the process.

You're blabbing about Tech, Do you know that Microsoft, Google, IBM and the rest have laid off thousands of employees because of the emergence of AI

Most of the Developed and Developing nations are suffering from ageing population and population decline, they're using fully funded Masters Scholarships to bring brilliant and hard working youth in and BSc is the only certificate recognized.

So your peeps with First Class and 2.1 in their Bachelors are sleeping on these opportunities.

HND = Has No Degree

babakb:
Even the Polytechnics don't employ HND graduates as lecturers I refuse to take the back seat, I'll be rounding up my BSc program in February next year.

I'm already tracking fully funded scholarships that I can apply to because I'll be eligible very soon.

I wouldn't have been able to think of any scholarship with only HND !!!

Polytechnic doesn’t employ HND graduates as lectures.. Says who?? Let’s be guided please. They do

Medianna:
Polytechnic doesn’t employ HND graduates as lectures.. Says who?? Let’s be guided please. They do

They don't, HND graduates are not employed as full time lecturers in Polytechnics, go and verify.
I have asked lecturers working in Polytechnics and they verified it, I have read More that 10 Polytechnic recruitment announcements and None of them are employing HND graduates as Graduate Assistants or Assistant Lecturers.

babakb:
They don't, HND graduates are not employed as full time lecturers in Polytechnics, go and verify.
I have asked lecturers working in Polytechnics and they verified it, I have read More that 10 Polytechnic recruitment announcements and None of them are employing HND graduates as Graduate Assistants or Assistant Lecturers.

Wow..
Anyway I don’t know where and where you went and verified but from what I know..
In a poly setting Bsc. Is Assistant lecturers at entry level while HND are Graduate Assistant. Then subsequently HND gets the portfolio of instructors and BSc Lecturers but they are all academic staff.
Btw I don’t need to verify it
But I’m glad you went further because the discriminations are real.

Medianna:
Wow..
Anyway I don’t know where and where you went and verified but from what I know..
In a poly setting Bsc. Is Assistant lecturers at entry level while HND are Graduate Assistant. Then subsequently HND gets the portfolio of instructors and BSc Lecturers but they are all academic staff.
Btw I don’t need to verify it
But I’m glad you went further because the discriminations are real.

We're saying the same thing:
Instructor, Technologists, Etc are below Lecturer Cadre.
My question is? If the Polytechnics that train HND graduates can't employ HND graduates as Lecturers why then are people blabbing about discrimination, Polytechnics discriminate against their products so I'm not surprised if other sectors do the same😎😎😎

People should avoid Polytechnics, period.

babakb:
We're saying the same thing:
Instructor, Technologists, Etc are below Lecturer Cadre.
My question is? If the Polytechnics that train HND graduates can't employ HND graduates as Lecturers why then are people blabbing about discrimination, Polytechnics discriminate against their products so I'm not surprised if other sectors do the same😎😎😎

People should avoid Polytechnics, period.

No… anything a lecturer does an instructor does it too… from teaching, publishing papers, invigilation, supervision just name it.,, the difference is from office position, so why should a polytechnic graduate not breath?
Please calm down

Medianna:
No… anything a lecturer does an instructor does it too… from teaching, publishing papers, invigilation, supervision just name it.,, the difference is from office position, so why should a polytechnic graduate not breath?
Please calm down

We're still saying the same thing

The Instructor is a Junior here, he has to obtain his BSc before he levels up, why won't I urge the youth to go for BSc directly?
Let's stop taking the back seat please, HND stagnates people career and we all know it,

The essence of this thread is not to dehumanize HND graduates, but to push them to Obtain their BSc and stop wasting time.

babakb:
We're still saying the same thing

The Instructor is a Junior here, he has to obtain his BSc before he levels up, why won't I urge the youth to go for BSc directly?
Let's stop taking the back seat please, HND stagnates people career and we all know it,

The essence of this thread is not to dehumanize HND graduates, but to push them to Obtain their BSc and stop wasting time.

Damn,,,,
you can argue.. I give up.. and yes we should avoid HND.🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

Honestly, the system will always favour Degrees.
But at the end of the day, certificate doesn’t pay bills — skill and positioning do.
That’s why I focus more on learning how to turn platforms like WhatsApp into profit.

babakb:
Yes!!!
I really want to discomfort Polytechnic students and graduates, I'm a HND Graduate myself so this is not discrimination or bullying

Find a way to obtain a Bachelor's Degree, don't be deceived by the talk of equivalence, If it's not a Degree it isn't.

Polytechnics in Nigeria don't have the capacity to offer studies in Medicine, Nursing, Pharmacy, Radiography, Law etc

All Full-time Lecturers employed by Polytechnics must at least have BSc & MSc, even the Polytechnic system discriminates against it graduates.

Going for BSc after HND is not a downgrade, it's just to obtain a Degree because you never had one Going for NYSC or doing PDG doesn't confer you with a Degree, besides with your HND most Private and Public Universities in Nigeria will admit you into 300 level.

COREN doesn't certify HND or PGD graduates until they obtain a Degree.

HND graduates are not eligible for any Federal or State government scholarships for Masters studies.

Attending the best Polytechnics or Graduating with Distinction doesn't change the fact that you don't have a Degree.

Please don't pay for that PGD you're about to do, it's just another Diploma

Of course I know very well that becoming rich or successful is not dependent on Certificates, but my point is if you want to enjoy the Nigerian Formal System, a Bachelor's Degree is a must.

chatprofit:
Honestly, the system will always favour Degrees.
But at the end of the day, certificate doesn’t pay bills — skill and positioning do.
That’s why I focus more on learning how to turn platforms like WhatsApp into profit.

chizzypresh:
okay...will go for that that
my course isn't engineering one

Ok, Cool

I just heard that 3 people with PHDs had to go back for their BSc