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Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by MarcinScholke(op): 6:19pm On Nov 26, 2025
In Christianity, free will and human reason are considered essential parts of human dignity. Today, some people raise concerns about whether modern technologies—such as the concepts described in patent US4877027A—could theoretically influence or interfere with human autonomy.
I’m curious from both a Christian and ethical perspective: How should we think about technology that claims to affect the mind or behavior? Do such ideas challenge the understanding of free will, or are they simply speculative concepts?

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Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 6:23pm On Nov 26, 2025
If you THINK, you'd realize freewill is a well-camouflged illusion to begin with.
Saying a human has freewill is EXACTLY like saying AI has freewill
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:31pm On Nov 26, 2025
We all agreed that humans have freewill but it's when dubious individuals want to speak against God that they choose to be blind to reality.

If there is no freewill how come we have laws and punishment for offenders?

Surely we believe the offender has freewill either to live by lay down rules or break the rules!🙂
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by budaatum: 6:35pm On Nov 26, 2025
You say "modern technology", so why not use a more credible product of science instead of some ridiculous and absurd patent? Is it that you don't know that one can patent just about anything?

Anyway, to your question. Can Devices Influence Humans? (Edited because the last part is missing).

My answer is yes.

Take the mobile phone. In the past, a reply to a letter sent to England will arrive back no sooner than 3 months, but now you can just dial a number and talk to the person in real time.

This has enabled, amongst other things, requests to be responded to instantly, such that delays are much minimised, which might change the results if such instant communication had not been possible.

As a side , there were objections to the introduction of the loom for fear of job displacement and wage cuts for skilled hand weavers. It led to protests like the Luddite movement.

Some even objected to the introduction of electricity.

Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by budaatum: 6:47pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
If you THINK, you'd realize freewill is a well-camouflged illusion to begin with.
Saying a human has freewill is EXACTLY like saying AI has freewill
I must most strongly disagree.

Just the basics of what time you wake up in the today is up to your own freewill (least if you are not a child subject to others), as is whether you turn right at this very moment or turn left. Even whether you eat today or not is subject to your very own free will to provide your own food or not.

The Bible God recognised the loss of that battle of control versus free will when it is written to have lost it over Adam when Eve asserted her freewill, despite the absurd attempt to make it seem it was a serpent's will.

Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by Dtruthspeaker: 6:48pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
If you THINK, you'd realize freewill is a well-camouflged illusion to begin with.
Saying a human has freewill is EXACTLY like saying AI has freewill
If you think, you'll real eyes that it is wrong to compare humans with advanced calculators and computer libraries. (A I)

Animals even have more freewill than those things.
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by Dtruthspeaker: 6:52pm On Nov 26, 2025
MarcinScholke:
In Christianity, free will and human reason are considered essential parts of human dignity. Today, some people raise concerns about whether modern technologies—such as the concepts described in patent US4877027A—could theoretically influence or interfere with human autonomy.
I’m curious from both a Christian and ethical perspective: How should we think about technology that claims to affect the mind or behavior? Do such ideas challenge the understanding of free will, or are they simply speculative concepts?

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If advertising and marketing done by humans did not challenge freewill how can a machine do so?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 8:26pm On Nov 26, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
We all agreed that humans have freewill but it's when dubious individuals want to speak against God that they choose to be blind to reality.

If there is no freewill how come we have laws and punishment for offenders?

Surely we believe the offender has freewill either to live by lay down rules or break the rules!🙂
So if you lay down laws AI must follow or it'll be punished, that means AI has freewill?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 8:30pm On Nov 26, 2025
budaatum:
I must most strongly disagree.

Just the basics of what time you wake up in the today is up to your own freewill (least if you are not a child subject to others), as is whether you turn right at this very moment or turn left. Even whether you eat today or not is subject to your very own free will to provide your own food or not.

The Bible God recognised the loss of that battle of control versus free will when it is written to have lost it over Adam when Eve asserted her freewill, despite the absurd attempt to make it seem it was a serpent's will.
That's the genius of the camouflage. Does AI have freewill because it can decide to turn right or left?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 8:32pm On Nov 26, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
If you think, you'll real eyes that it is wrong to compare humans with advanced calculators and computer libraries. (A I)

Animals even have more freewill than those things.
But that's EXACTLY the type of "freewill" humans have
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by budaatum: 8:35pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
That's the genius of the camouflage. Does AI have freewill because it can decide to turn right or left?
AI does not have any will at all, and can not decide to turn anywhere apart from that it is told to by its human creator.

Grok has the will of Elon.

Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by budaatum: 8:40pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
So if you lay down laws AI must follow or it'll be punished, that means AI has freewill?
Actually, it means its opposite, that AI has no freewill.

But the fact that humans have not been passed down any law that they must follow or be punished, is the precise definition of freewill.

It's after all not true that humans must follow any law laid down anywhere. Or do you know any laws laid down anywhere that I must follow or be punished?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 8:43pm On Nov 26, 2025
budaatum:
AI does not have any will at all, and can not decide to turn anywhere apart from that it is told to by its human creator.

Grok has the will of Elon.
So you answered your own question. EXACTLY like Grok, a human's "freewill" is constrained by the info he is exposed to. If you expose Groc to anti-Nazi propaganda it will be anti-Nazi
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:45pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
So if you lay down laws AI must follow or it'll be punished, that means AI has freewill?
Is AI an independent creature?🤔
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 8:46pm On Nov 26, 2025
budaatum:
Actually, it means its opposite, that AI has no freewill.

But the fact that humans have not been passed down any law that they must follow or be punished, is the precise definition of freewill.

It's after all not true that humans must follow any law laid down anywhere. Or do you know any laws laid down anywhere that I must follow or be punished?
I was responding to his assertion that the proof of freewill is that society has laws
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 8:47pm On Nov 26, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Is AI an independent creature?🤔
Independent in what sense? Are you Independent?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:51pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
Independent in what sense? Are you Independent?
Of course i am that's why i choose what to believe out of thousands of religious ideas!
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 8:53pm On Nov 26, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Of course i am that's why i choose what to believe out of thousands of religious ideas!
So if you were given a different type of brain, born in a different place to different people with different experiences you'd still have made the same choice?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by Dtruthspeaker: 8:55pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
But that's EXACTLY the type of "freewill" humans have
As long as you do not say that calculators and computers have freewill, then we can play
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by budaatum: 8:56pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
I was responding to his assertion that the proof of freewill is that society has laws
Yeah, that is dumb.

Its after all not true that the laws of "thou shalt not steal or murder" stop me murdering and killing.

And I might not even be punished if I am smart enough to not be caught.
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:57pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
So if you were given a different type of brain, born in a different place to different people with different experiences you'd still have made the same choice?
YES!
I was born into Islam and from day one i keep asking questions because it doesn't sound reasonable to me until i came in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses before faith in God began making sense to me.
So if i never met the JWs by now i will be an atheist!😟
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by Dtruthspeaker: 8:59pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
That's the genius of the camouflage. Does AI have freewill because it can decide to turn right or left?
How can you imagine that a calculator or a computer has freewill?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 9:01pm On Nov 26, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
As long as you do not say that calculators and computers have freewill, then we can play
AI is not just a calculator. It teaches itself exactly like a human
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by Dtruthspeaker: 9:04pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
So you answered your own question. EXACTLY like Grok, a human's "freewill" is constrained by the info he is exposed to. If you expose Groc to anti-Nazi propaganda it will be anti-Nazi
I don't think you know what freewill is.
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 9:07pm On Nov 26, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
YES!
I was born into Islam and from day one i keep asking questions because it doesn't sound reasonable to me until i came in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses before faith in God began making sense to me.
So if i never met the JWs by now i will be an atheist!😟
AI will do exactly same.
Without your brain and experiences there is no "you" that will make a decision - just as without it's "brain" and info it's exposed to there is no AI
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by Dtruthspeaker: 9:08pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
AI is not just a calculator. It teaches itself exactly like a human
O Please, don't disgrace yourself. How do you imagine that, with all the years of internet and updates?
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 9:11pm On Nov 26, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
I don't think you know what freewill is.
Au contraire, you're the one who doesn't know.
It really doesn't take much thought to realize humans don't have any real free will
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by Dtruthspeaker: 9:15pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
Au contraire, you're the one who doesn't know.
It really doesn't take much thought to realize humans don't have any real free will
Freewill that you have over exercised from your birth to the point of the ridiculousness of deflecting it on the things you created? Oneday, when they tell you that matches has freewill you will buy it?
This is definitely brein laundry in operation
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 9:15pm On Nov 26, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
O Please, don't disgrace yourself. How do you imagine that, with all the years of internet and updates?
Meaning what?
EXCTLY like a human child, AI is "born" a clean slate with a certain type of "brain" then exposed to info. ALL it's actions and decisions are a result those, EXACTLY like a human
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:15pm On Nov 26, 2025
QuinQ:
AI will do exactly same.
Without your brain and experiences there is no "you" that will make a decision - just as without it's "brain" and info it's exposed to there is no AI
This is not about experience rather it's a matter of CHOICE. If i'm to go by what you call experience i was born and raised among Muslims but something within me just can't work with the religion so i keep questioning the religion until i found another that pleases my personality.
So that's FREEWILL not experience!
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 9:20pm On Nov 26, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This is not about experience rather it's a matter of CHOICE. If i'm to go by what you call experience i was born and raised among Muslims but something within me just can't work with the religion so i keep questioning the religion until i found another that pleases my personality.
So that's FREEWILL not experience!
See my comment above. Your actions are based on something. You yourself said it didn't make sense to you. The reason it didn't make sense to you is your type of brain and type of info and experiences you've been exposed to.
Exactly like AI
Re: Christianity, Free Will, And Modern Technology – Can Devices Influence Human Aut by QuinQ: 9:25pm On Nov 26, 2025
Dtruthspeaker:
Freewill that you have over exercised from your birth to the point of the ridiculousness of deflecting it on the things you created? Oneday, when they tell you that matches has freewill you will buy it?
This is definitely brein laundry in operation
It really doesn't take much thought to realize freewill is an illusion. You don't control where your thoughts come from and your actions are based on your thoughts - unless u say they are based on nothing!
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