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pansophist:
The Dzungar genocide

Many people know about genocide in different part of the world, but a very few knows about the Dzungar people, who were completely wiped out by China and their territory shared between present day Xinjiang and Kazakhstan, but mostly incorporated as a Chinese territory.

The Dzungar empire was very large, around the size of India.

And the irony is that the Dzungars did not even commit up to 5% of the evils the Japanese committed to China during WW2. There are still surviving Dzungars who populates part of China, Russia, Mongolia and the US, but as a people and a culture, they are done.

in the 17th century, the Dzungars were a nomadic tribe that have been threatening China, and to put the Dzungar question to a final rest, the Qing government ordered that their whole population be wiped out completely.

The rhetoric of the new Japanese government has ignited a discourse about putting a final end to the Japanese question in the Chinese media space, and lots of Chinese are citing such the Dzungar precedence as a fate that awaits Japan since it is clear that there can not be any coexistence between the two countries.

China is at its most powerful period it has ever been, and will becomes increasingly powerful. The daring plan to double its GDP in 2035, making China the wealthiest nation on earth is a testament to this.

A powerful China with landmass over x100 compared to Japan who import over 70% of its food, has an low fertility rate, and incapable of projecting power, its fate in dark. China's harsh stance over the past few days only goes to show that revenge is deeply in reserve in the Chinese psyche, and one can only wonder what it would be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_people

LordAdam16:
chinese savagery will make hell shudder
no one alive today has witnessed it, so you will inevitably have folks who think poking the dragon is an excellent idea
after all, what will they do?

the us installed a female zelenskyy in japan to play the same script
the hope is that xi takes the bait and becomes embroiled in a ukraine war 2.0 that'll allow the us to strike chinese mainland, kill millions of chinese, seize their trillions in assets across the west, and take a gander at f*cking with their export economy. all while sacrificing cantonese, japanese, koreans, and even australians, if it comes to that; in that order.

the plan has 0 chance of success
still, they'll try

-Lord

LordAdam16:
chinese savagery will make hell shudder
no one alive today has witnessed it, so you will inevitably have folks who think poking the dragon is an excellent idea
after all, what will they do?

the us installed a female zelenskyy in japan to play the same script
the hope is that xi takes the bait and becomes embroiled in a ukraine war 2.0 that'll allow the us to strike chinese mainland, kill millions of chinese, seize their trillions in assets across the west, and take a gander at f*cking with their export economy. all while sacrificing cantonese, japanese, koreans, and even australians, if it comes to that; in that order.
the plan has 0 chance of success
still, they'll try
-Lord

Gerrard59:
The Japanese would suffer more, especially in terms of the economy and its related aspects. The tourism industry relies heavily on well-heeled Chinese tourists. Japanese business leaders lobbied heavily for renewed visa-free access, which was recently extended to the end of 2026. So, it has not been restored to its pre-COVID state permanently. Already, Chinese companies are heading past Japanese companies across Southeast Asia and the wider region. A week ago, I read an article that outlined how Japanese companies are now component suppliers rather than final products to the Chinese market. Inasmuch as the Japanese are not pro-open immigration, they prefer Chinese immigrants to non-East Asian immigrants, and as expected, Chinese immigrants constitute the majority of immigrants in Japan. People should not be deceived by the Western rhetoric you see in English media content related to Japan about Chinese immigration in Japan. Chinese spend more than Westerners in Japan.

In all, as I analysed within myself more than a year ago, should there be an open confrontation regarding Taiwan vis-à-vis China/US, Japan would have to intervene either as a launchpad for the US military or/and as a refugee haven for Taiwanese. Should that happen, I will liquidate all I have here and book a one-way flight back home. After watching Africans' experiences in Ukraine, I would not be a party to such.

pansophist:
The US just pulled off its missle system from Japan few days ago as Tokyo and Beijing exchange word blows.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3333161/us-pulls-missile-system-japan-beijing-tokyo-row-over-taiwan-deepens

The US and China understands perfectly that China will not fall for such bait. China knows what war is like hence you never see a Chinese leader talks about war.

China do not want to fight in a proxy war. They want to fight the US directly, hence they tolerate US politicians bed-rolling with Taiwan, Phillipines and now Japan.

On a side note, China is the only country that is very prepared for a nuclear war. Cnina war chest is so strong, that the world is marvelled at the little spec they know.

When it comes to a complete underground cities that can host 100 of millions of people in case of a nuclear war, only China has that. In just three years, from 2011 to 2013, China used more cement than the United States did in the entire 20th century.

Those cements are not just for houses and highways, but a huge chunk of it are for military purposes. I just hope any country is not stupid enough to provoke China, and the world should be grateful that China is a peaceful country.

pansophist:
The US just pulled off its missle system from Japan few days ago as Tokyo and Beijing exchange word blows.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3333161/us-pulls-missile-system-japan-beijing-tokyo-row-over-taiwan-deepens

The US and China understands perfectly that China will not fall for such bait. China knows what war is like hence you never see a Chinese leader talks about war.

China do not want to fight in a proxy war. They want to fight the US directly, hence they tolerate US politicians bed-rolling with Taiwan, Phillipines and now Japan.

On a side note, China is the only country that is very prepared for a nuclear war. Cnina war chest is so strong, that the world is marvelled at the little spec they know.

When it comes to a complete underground cities that can host 100 of millions of people in case of a nuclear war, only China has that. In just three years, from 2011 to 2013, China used more cement than the United States did in the entire 20th century.

Those cements are not just for houses and highways, but a huge chunk of it are for military purposes. I just hope any country is not stupid enough to provoke China, and the world should be grateful that China is a peaceful country.

natedroid:
While I've read the various opinions in this thread, most of them brilliant and apt, I believe they lack first-hand experience of China's current economic reality. The strong image is misleading. First-hand accounts from within China reveal economic strain, reliance on the U.S., and significant unemployment. I have a a close contact who has lived in Beijing for over two decades,who has given me a perspective that contrasts sharply with the image of strength China projects. Beyond the modern cities, much of China remains underdeveloped, and its economy is deeply reliant on access to the U.S. market, a vulnerability highlighted by recent trade conflicts and rising unemployment.

I support America's push to reshore manufacturing. It strengthens the U.S. economy and sets a positive example. For Nigeria, the lesson is clear: we must drastically reduce our reliance on Chinese imports by building our own factories and industries. True economic strength comes from production, not importation.


This is a wake-up call for Nigeria. We must stop being a market for Chinese goods and start becoming a manufacturing hub ourselves. America is showing the way by bringing production home, and we should do the same. Relying on China is a strategic error.

Let's not be naive about China's motives in Africa. They are here to exploit, not to partner. Our trade deficit with them is proof. A better partner for Nigeria I repeat is India or any other country but not china

My experience with Chinese companies in Nigeria has shown me their primary interest is resource extraction. Our trade relationship is a one-way street, with billions in imports from China and almost no exports in return. I would prefer partnerships with countries like India or Vietnam.

And again ,global allegiances speak volumes. The number of Nigerians in the West versus those in China or Russia, along with personal choices on where to be educated, demonstrates a clear preference. actions speak louder than words. The diaspora communities and educational choices of Nigerians show where true trust and alignment lie. It's not with China or Russia .
Given the choice between U.S. and Chinese leadership, the vast majority of Nigerians would choose the U.S., and I stand with the United States, a country that I have benefitted so much from.
China would do worst than America or any Western world has ever done as a World power, China is subtly exploiting African resources already and they would do worst . They are horrible employers ,am speaking from personal experience, China cannot be trusted .

LordAdam16:
gerrard59, how many times have you read this exact bukum with different verbiage over the years?
i have lost count.
zero originality. dude renditioned all the greatest "china bad" hits.
down to the "i KnOw sOmEoNe iN a NaTiOn of 1.3 bIlLiOn PeOpLe" that said something that confirms my bias.

🤣😂😄
truly amazing

-Lord

emmaodet:

You can see how the guy quickly sneaked in the "if you are given the option of choosing between US visa and Russia/China visa, which one will you pick" narrative.
They can't even hide their hate for China.
There is always one reason or the other why china is bad and the west is good.

LordAdam16:
like germany and ukraine, like japan
two million ukrainians dying is a regular tuesday
germany losing its economic competitiveness is just the cost of doing business
four million dead japanese and japan becoming a shadow of itself is simply a pawn getting sacrificed for the hegemon

no plan survives first contact, so it is anyone's guess what japan would be like after a pacific hot conflict
sure china WILL wreck them, but what relationship will they have with china, the rest of asia, and the rest of the world after that.
in just 50 years, japan went from a friend of the us (russo-japanese war) to a foe (world war 2) to a vassal
humans can be irrational. one would think there is no chance that japan, korea, the phillipines, australia, and china will be locked in a devastating total war at the behest of a foreigner an ocean away. with how wealthy and technologically advanced they are, it should be a non-starter. but here we are.

-Lord

natedroid:
While I've read the various opinions in this thread, most of them brilliant and apt, I believe they lack first-hand experience of China's current economic reality. The strong image is misleading. First-hand accounts from within China reveal economic strain, reliance on the U.S., and significant unemployment. I have a a close contact who has lived in Beijing for over two decades,who has given me a perspective that contrasts sharply with the image of strength China projects. Beyond the modern cities, much of China remains underdeveloped, and its economy is deeply reliant on access to the U.S. market, a vulnerability highlighted by recent trade conflicts and rising unemployment.

I support America's push to reshore manufacturing. It strengthens the U.S. economy and sets a positive example. For Nigeria, the lesson is clear: we must drastically reduce our reliance on Chinese imports by building our own factories and industries. True economic strength comes from production, not importation.
This is a wake-up call for Nigeria. We must stop being a market for Chinese goods and start becoming a manufacturing hub ourselves. America is showing the way by bringing production home, and we should do the same. Relying on China is a strategic error.

Let's not be naive about China's motives in Africa. They are here to exploit, not to partner. Our trade deficit with them is proof. A better partner for Nigeria I repeat is India or any other country but not china

My experience with Chinese companies in Nigeria has shown me their primary interest is resource extraction. Our trade relationship is a one-way street, with billions in imports from China and almost no exports in return. I would prefer partnerships with countries like India or Vietnam.

And again ,global allegiances speak volumes. The number of Nigerians in the West versus those in China or Russia, along with personal choices on where to be educated, demonstrates a clear preference. actions speak louder than words. The diaspora communities and educational choices of Nigerians show where true trust and alignment lie. It's not with China or Russia .
Given the choice between U.S. and Chinese leadership, the vast majority of Nigerians would choose the U.S., and I stand with the United States, a country that I have benefitted so much from.

China would do worst than America or any Western world has ever done as a World power, China is subtly exploiting African resources already and they would do worst. They are horrible employers ,am speaking from personal experience, China cannot be trusted .

Gerrard59:
I am thinking of many reasons such as:

1. China does not do freebies. So for people who are used to free things, embracing the Chinese would be hard.
2. The Chinese have a strong work ethic, an overwork culture and strict adherence to rules. This is not a Chinese thing, but East Asian. Those principles made them who they are today. Many Nigerians find such work conditions to be bad. I can understand.
3. Chinese companies don't pay well. Well, as I have stated, salaries are a function of productivity and population. Our productivity is low and the population is high. Salaries are low in India, Indonesia and Vietnam. We are at the nascent stages of industrialisation. History is replete with such societies with low salaries. The Chinese are the ones investing in that aspect more than the Americans. And we need more factories so we can produce more, and factories' jobs are what our people need, not TikTok influencing. Factories ensure life-long skills and productivity. Nigeria needs jobs; the Chinese bring in capital and technical know-how. I don't get the irritation.
4. Some people are jealous that a different country with its own systems and cultures is pairing up with the US. They never imagined it in their lifetime.
5. They are envious of the Chinese because they believe it should have been them. It is how you mentioned how Angolans prefer Portuguese or White people to Nigerians. They believe na them for dey there. But believing is not the way; you work for it. Nothing is free in life. You work for it.

emmaodet:

You can see how the guy quickly sneaked in the "if you are given the option of choosing between US visa and Russia/China visa, which one will you pick" narrative.
They can't even hide their hate for China.
There is always one reason or the other why china is bad and the west is good.

Gerrard59:
The bold is very important to note and it is embarrassing how economically successful countries can become so timid and follow follow even at their detriment. Even when examples abound of how the current US govt treats such losers, especially in the EU. The present US govt behaves like Tinubu where every good thing goes to Lagos/USA FIRST before anywhere else. So for other richer nations to see such yet chook head inside is embarrassing.

As for the red in bold, they are not special or spectacular.

LordAdam16:
it does feel like most of the vassals are caught in between a rock and hard place
on one hand they're anticipating the other shoe to drop.but they're apprehensive about what that will mean for their "rules-based order" from which they've benefitted in some way. i think their motivation to act in ways that defies belief is often tied to the latter
it's like yes the US is an abusive partner, but there are perks to the vassalage that they're worried would not transfer over to a new global order
devil you know and all that

the philippines isn't all that, but they have a sordid history with foreign powers.
spain, us, japan. i don't know why they want to willingly put themselves in harms way again.
it's like a battered, delusional partner who believes only a guy who is toxic loves her.
"ma'am, there are other options. but she's like nah. too boring. i guess trips to the er and therapy bills are exciting."
plus they're in se asia, the region to be in the 21st century. opportunities for economic progress yapa.
the us and the west can still be the preferred partner, but there is no credible reason to be so hawkish.

Gerrard59:
You explained really well here. They know the US is an abusive partner, but the entrenched benefits are too hard to let go. Most European countries' yansh would be open should the US cease to be the dominant power and they receive bold reactions from major countries in the Global South. Imagine five Chinas countering boldly whatever views the likes of Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Canada etc., put forward?


Those ones are timid beyond redemption, and even within the region, they are the backwater (I am omitting landlocked countries). With its subservience towards the US-led West, it should have been better than the likes of Thailand and measure up with Malaysia, but see Vietnam breezing past them?

The Philippines isn't a Southeast Asian country that Africans and African countries should aspire to.

Gerrard59:
You explained really well here. They know the US is an abusive partner, but the entrenched benefits are too hard to let go. Most European countries' yansh would be open should the US cease to be the dominant power and they receive bold reactions from major countries in the Global South. Imagine five Chinas countering boldly whatever views the likes of Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Canada etc., put forward?

Those ones are timid beyond redemption, and even within the region, they are the backwater (I am omitting landlocked countries). With its subservience towards the US-led West, it should have been better than the likes of Thailand and measure up with Malaysia, but see Vietnam breezing past them?

The Philippines isn't a Southeast Asian country that Africans and African countries should aspire to.

LordAdam16:
the Philippines is proof that the plight of Nigeria and much of sub-Saharan Africa is not peculiar
like they've had perfect and consistent inflation for western-style capitalism since the 2000s
they got in early on the BPO and GCC game with India
they were right in the nexus of all the asian miracles
they should naturally get along with everyone and have historic or linguistic connections to all of the Americas (both North and South)

the Philippines should be a $2T economy
they could have picked any high value industry they wanted to focus on
but i guess if it didn't dey, it didn't dey

instead of them to be introspective, they want to join Japan, SK, and Australia in antagonizing China

-Lord

Gerrard59:
As per boy boy na. E sure me die na Filipinos go dey war front if an actual war ever happens. The rest have dire birth rates and wouldn't want to sacrifice their young men in the first or second round.

Make dem boy boy first kpai before them.

Gerrard59:
As per boy boy na. E sure me die na Filipinos go dey war front if an actual war ever happens. The rest have dire birth rates and wouldn't want to sacrifice their young men in the first or second round.

Make dem boy boy first kpai before them.

pansophist:
Even if they want to sacrifice their own kids, where are they?

Your average American soldier is fat and the US military have been reducing the health qualifications just to recruit more soldiers.
Besides, the US of today is not like ww2 where the demographics was white majority. Many immigrants won’t fight. I can’t imagine the UK, France or The Netherlands want to fight. Most of the foreign population who are citizens won’t even fight.

Gerrard59:
Actually, someone asked a similar question on r/geopolitics and the responses (the majority) were confident that many second generation immigrants will enlist or agree to fight a foreign power even if that foreign opponent is a country they share ancestry with. So German forces fighting against Turkey. Interestingly, I've never seen Black French soldiers in their so-called peacekeeping activities in the Sahel compared to their White counterparts.

pansophist:
Just in case you need another perspective why the west are so obsessed with conquering Russia, take a look at this map.

The circled tiny green country below is Bangladesh, while the red one above is Russia, and Bangladesh have more population than Russia.

Russia is at least twice larger than contiguous USA, and the most resource rich country in the world and arguably the only country than can go completely autarkic and will be just fine.

If any country is a natural superpower by the very virtue of its existence, it’s Russia.

pansophist:
Euronews (a major westen news channel) posted on their TikTok a clip of Mark Rutte (NATO secretary general) bashing Russia, but almost all the comments, like 99% of it supported Russia and called Mark and his gang warmongers.

Even though the media has being singing the same chorus of “Russia bad”, European citizens knows clearly that NATO is the aggressor.

Like the old saying, “a lie might run a thousand miles, but truth only have to move an inch to catch up with it”.

If NATO decides to take on Russia directly, I can guarantee that most citizens won’t fight, so therefore, Ukraine is the only hope of ever taking on Russia.

But Ukraine (aka NATO) has being defeated, so what plan do they have next to take on Russia?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGda3EE8A/

Gerrard59:
Actually, someone asked a similar question on r/geopolitics and the responses (the majority) were confident that many second generation immigrants will enlist or agree to fight a foreign power even if that foreign opponent is a country they share ancestry with. So German forces fighting against Turkey. Interestingly, I've never seen Black French soldiers in their so-called peacekeeping activities in the Sahel compared to their White counterparts.