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Expanse2020:
Not my opinion...
According to Christians schorlas they are several authors of bible and they are unknown...
So it's not my opinion

Where is the evidence that such people are Christians?

Expanse2020:
Joseph is 90+ marry a baby of 12 to 13
Why crying
What of the king Henry too why are you wailing on just one
What Isaac and Rebecca

Wait ooo, shey na your alfa tell you that one

FxMasterz:
Yet you have no explanation for the nail that got flushed out of the Baby.

You have no explanation for the my daughter's tooth that corrected itself after prayers.

You have no explanation for Maynman's ceased activities of Nairaland after prayers.

You have no explanation for the elephantiasis disappearance from the 4 year old's foot.

Most recently, a 38 year old woman who never got married was prayed for by a friend of mine. Weeks later, she got married to a man above the age of 50 - a divorcee. About 3 weeks after the wedding, the lady got attacked health wise, and was returned to her mother's house (the father and mother were long divorced. She grew up with her mother) from Akure to Ibadan as her health kept failing. All medications and hospital intervention failed. They later dumped her ati home to consider unorthodox means. When I heard about the issue, I went to her mother's house in Ibadan and prayed for her because her elder sister is a close friend. I met her husband there that day. Someone that could barely get herself to the sitting room on the day I visited was later reported to have returned to Akure with her husband a few days after I prayed.

The only thing you can do is to deny. But denial is not the same as reality. There's a place you're nurturing for your soul. We'll help.you to encounter God if you're willing, but your stubbornness also has an end.

I have shared several testimony here which you play deaf to. Keep playing dear and blind. Perhaps, your life is not precious to you.

I expect you bwahahaha everything away. A wide man would take active steps to verify claims before reaching conclusions. Someone who has not seen the whole world is making conclusions on the whole universes. How old are you that you're making absolute conclusions based on your fewvyeats of existence and inexperience.

Oga, all these talk is bullshit. You agreed to pray in my hospital almost 2 years ago and have since been giving flimsy reasons. U r a liar till you prove it. Period!

LordReed:
I see all these as the ramblings of an immature mind that never grew away from the fantastic tales of talking tortise in folktales.

I showed that a nail was expelled from someone's GI with no prayers involved.

You have no knowledge of Maymann's circumstances IRL so have no way of know why he stopped posting. You don't even know if he is posting on a different account but you decided that the supernatural is the answer. What a monumental failure to reason. It is indicative of your immaturity.

I know an atheist who lost the use of one leg. No doctor could diagnose why or what was wrong. 6 months later my man was walking on his 2 legs and still is. No prayer or any mumbo jumbo so all your so called testimonies are bunk. Things happen that are unexplained NATURALLY. Your calling them supernatural is your own failure of reasoning not anybody else's.

I was paralyzed in my left leg after an accident in my workplace. I made a diagnosis of radiculopathy and managed myself. Within 1 month i was walking normal. No prayers,no fasting etc. I was telling my wife the other day that if I was a theist ,i woulda been doing thanksgiving, testimonies, tithes etc. I just applied science and was fine

FxMasterz:
I will like to see your atheist who had the leg recovery case verified.

You atheists are low thinkers. I have proven that several times.

Even if you believe that all the miracles that I described are things that can happen naturally, why didn't they happen before we prayed?

If natural things that should happen later became hastened as a result of prayers, it's still a miracle my friend.

I am very sure that if I pray right in your presence and a miracle happens, you'll still explain it away, saying it's no miracle.

Let me tell you, there's no occurence in this world that cannot be explained away but explaining them away can never do justice to reality.

And no, whatevs circumstances that made Maynman stop.posting is an answer to prayer. The circumstances didn't happen before I prayed. And no, he's not posting with another Monika. The topics he use to post have literally disappeared from Nairaland.

Oh,you want his own to be verified but want us to swallow all those your cock and bull stories 😏 lol 😆

LordReed:
LMAO! I said we should do it live on video call or your prayer cannot work via video call? Bwahahahahahahaha!

Don't bother. I have challenged him before and he chickened out

Lawag3:
Can something non living form life?

Like let's say chemicals mixing until life is form.

Meaning life can be formed without input of an intelligent being.

Yup. Look up abiogenesis

jaephoenix:
Oga, all these talk is bullshit. You agreed to pray in my hospital almost 2 years ago and have since been giving flimsy reasons. U r a liar till you prove it. Period!

Give me your contact. I'll pray for the sick over the phone.

LordReed:
The evidence points to that possibility. Some experiments have indicated that the progression from inorganic to organic basic amino acids that the building blocks of life can form naturally.

What we don't know is the exact pathway the progression from inanimate took to becoming animate even though we can see some likely intermediate steps. For example we know that self replicating molecules can form but how they formed from amino acids is still a mystery.

Sorry for the delayed response.

I have always loved to way you explain things . You used the word EVIDENCE.

While some experiments have indicated a progression from inorganic to organic basic amino acids which is considered a material from which the building blocks of life forms we should keep in mind that Amino acids are not life. They are not living.

So I'm tempted to say that there's overwhelming evidence that supports the idea or fact as I think it is , that a non living material or non living matter can not develop or give rise to living matter.

Or vow do you see it.


Don't worry I'll reply immediately I see your mention.

jaephoenix:
Yup. Look up abiogenesis

My guy how have you been?

Anyway you do no there is no record or evidence of complete abiogenesis in nature or in a lab right.

Every experiments have always ended in the level of amino acids which cannot be considered as living.

Anyway I still what to here your thoughts on this.

Expanse2020:
no be the people wey develop bible develop wiki....
No be white ape who brought Christianity to Africa taught you all that

Sufu, is wiki a book like quran fodio brought for you in Nigeria?

Anago, se o bere

FxMasterz:
Give me your contact. I'll pray for the sick over the phone.

I won't give strangers my phone number bro. I can tell you what the patients have and you pray. Savvy?

Lawag3:
My guy how have you been?

Anyway you do no there is no record or evidence of complete abiogenesis in nature or in a lab right.

Every experiments have always ended in the level of amino acids which cannot be considered as living.

Anyway I still what to here your thoughts on this.

Granted,amino acids ain't exactly living things,but they are the building blocks of living things

jaephoenix:
I was paralyzed in my left leg after an accident in my workplace. I made a diagnosis of radiculopathy and managed myself. Within 1 month i was walking normal. No prayers,no fasting etc. I was telling my wife the other day that if I was a theist ,i woulda been doing thanksgiving, testimonies, tithes etc. I just applied science and was fine

I too was paralysed from the waist down once. My legs stopped responding to my mind and would not move when told to.

Some wonderful doctors at King's Hospital performed miracles on me, and a crane in a building made my legs move.

I described the miracle here:
https://www.nairaland.com/4437570/gospel-according-luke/1#72867008

jaephoenix:
I won't give strangers my phone number bro. I can tell you what the patients have and you pray. Savvy?

I'll pray for them. Not praying into the air. I need to know who they are and then find a way for my prayers to reach them directly.

FxMasterz:
I'll pray for them. Not praying into the air. I need to know who they are and then find a way for my prayers to reach them directly.

But your prayers do not need to "reach them directly", since it is your god that you direct your prayers to for them, and not directly to them!

jaephoenix:
Granted,amino acids ain't exactly living things,but they are the building blocks of living things

Yeah I know but then a brick or block are not buildings are they.

This is the thought process that recently solidify my beliefs in God.

There's no process in which life can form from something lifeless except if directed by a devine conscious and intelligent being. Almost everything ever made even by man has a method to it buildings cars jets are there because some person made them. This earth you me the universe exist because someone made them.

And evidence supports that line of thought


Cc. LordReed

jaephoenix:
You know nothing about medicine. Peristalsis can turn it around but we don't take chances cos even though it can turn,it may also perforate the bowels. So we may as well intervene. It's just like a woman who has a contracted pelvis and is pregnant. Even though we know that the baby may still pass through alive but we don't wanna take chances cos it may die in the process. It's why you see these cretarded women giving testimonies that they delivered a baby through the vjay even though the doctor said otherwise and the lord brought the baby out. The ones that die from trying to give birth with prolonged labor due to contracted pelvis would of course not be alive to say anything

Are you truly or doctor or you're just lying to obscure the truth? Even those who didn't study medicine know that peristalsis is just push and squeeze. Not rotation!

See the attached.

budaatum:
I too was paralysed from the waist down once. My legs stopped responding to my mind and would not move when told to.

Some wonderful doctors at King's Hospital performed miracles on me, and a crane in a building made my legs move.

I described the miracle here:
https://www.nairaland.com/4437570/gospel-according-luke/1#72867008

What was the diagnosis? Paraplegia?

FxMasterz:
I'll pray for them. Not praying into the air. I need to know who they are and then find a way for my prayers to reach them directly.

When I get to work today I'll get their permission to forward their contacts. I can't just give them to you cos of doctor patient confidentiality. And also how long would it take you to pray and when should we expect a miracle?

budaatum:
But your prayers do not need to "reach them directly", since it is your god that you direct your prayers to for them, and not directly to them!

I know all that but I want to give him the benefit of doubt. Cos he'll use the fact that I didn't give him the patient details as an excuse

jaephoenix:
When I get to work today I'll get their permission to forward their contacts. I can't just give them to you cos of doctor patient confidentiality. And also how long would it take you to pray and when should we expect a miracle?

I'm going to pray within 24hrs of getting their contacts. I am the one to do the miracles. It's Jesus. I'm not doing this to prove anything to you. Please understand. I'm doing this because I want God to touch the patients as He has always done.

Lawag3:
Yeah I know but then a brick or block are not buildings are they.

This is the thought process that recently solidify my beliefs in God.

There's no process in which life can form from something lifeless except if directed by a devine conscious and intelligent being. Almost everything ever made even by man has a method to it buildings cars jets are there because some person made them. This earth you me the universe exist because someone made them.

And evidence supports that line of thought

Alright. So here's the problem with creationism
1. Since you believe everything must have a beginning, where did god get the materials to create the universe?
2. You just committed a god-of-the-gap fallacy. You inserted god into a knowledge gap. Remember when humans believe lightning, flood came from god. Remember when we thought epilepsy was demonic(even Jesus said so in the bible). Remember when we thought sickle cell was 'ogbanje' or 'abiku'. Etc etc. Now we know better. The fact we don't know exactly how we came here shouldn't make me insert 'God did' (like DJ Khaled) and shut my brain up. That's lazy thinking. If scientists do that,we'd still be living in the dark ages. They weren't satisfied with the 'God did it all' or supernatural explanations and decided to research and that's how we improved as a specie.
3. If you think everything must have a creation,then who created your god? If you go with 'oh,he's eternal' then why can't you use the same logic and say the universe is eternal? That's another logical fallacy, special pleading.
4. Let's assume the universe was created. Why would I believe it's your favorite god Yhwh, anf not thousands of gods that are out there and some were before him?
5. The universe is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is the human body. As a doctor, I would tell you that for free. It's only illiterates that believe the human body is perfect or near perfect
6. The thought that we were created negates evolution, which can be backed up by evidence. There is no evidence for your god creating anything. Is there any mention of dinos in the bible? Nope. Was there any mention in the bible of a period of time when dinos roamed the world without man? Nope.
7. Finally,everything made by man can be described process by process and we know for a fact that they were created. Have we seen a universe created before? How do you even know the universe is perfect when we can't have a template to compare and say it's in fact perfect.
I can go on and on but let's start with this.
Morning bro

FxMasterz:
Are you truly or doctor or you're just lying to obscure the truth? Even those who didn't study medicine know that peristalsis is just push and squeeze. Not rotation!

See the attached.

You are comparing AI to what I was taught in medical school via thoroughly researched physiology texts? Where did I say that peristalsis is a rotation?
This AI output even says peristalsis is one directional
So how does vomiting occur? How do people that have Rumination Syndrome regurgitate food?

FxMasterz:
I'm going to pray within 24hrs of getting their contacts. I am the one to do the miracles. It's Jesus. I'm not doing this to prove anything to you. Please understand. I'm doing this because I want God to touch the patients as He has always done.

Elijah(abi Elisha) proved to the prophets of Baal that his god is the greatest. Other instances abound in your bible where Yhwh was flexing his muscles through his servants. Don't chicken out. I even want a physical challenge,televised on social media,where you can demonstrate how powerful your god is,and so hardened atheists like LordReed, HardMirror,kingsamx etc would bow down 😆
At least we won't have mouth to attack you again on Nairaland
How about that

jaephoenix:
Sorry I'm seeing this late. More than a month.
Right. So the human body is a crazy contraption. In medicine nothing is impossible. And these 'impossibilities' are not limited to folks of any particular religion. Christianity, muslims,atheists etc experience them. These include spontaneous cancer remissions and of course, in this case,spontaneous egestion of sharp objects like nails. So I can show you many examples of folks that swallowed nails and passed them out stresslessly without any prayers or interventions.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213576619302039
https://auctoresonline.org/article/spontaneous-passage-of-a-long-nail-through-the-gastrointestinal-tract-of-a-2-year-old-child-a-case-report

I'll stop at these 2 examples.
Peristalsis can move objects both forward and backwards at the same time and when they happen spontaneously the object turns around

So no,this is not a miracle though it's not common.
FzMasterz I have asked you to perform miracle in my hospital before but you have been dodging it like Neo in Matrix. Its more than one and half years now,still waiting...

Hey man. Glad to have you. How have you been?

jaephoenix:
Elijah(abi Elisha) proved to the prophets of Baal that his god is the greatest. Other instances abound in your bible where Yhwh was flexing his muscles through his servants. Don't chicken out. I even want a physical challenge,televised on social media,where you can demonstrate how powerful your god is,and so hardened atheists like LordReed, HardMirror,kingsamx etc would bow down 😆
At least we won't have mouth to attack you again on Nairaland
How about that

Chicken out like how?

I will pray and something will happen. You can televise the prayer even when I pray remotely. I don't have to be there.

But as I have said, I'm not doing it to prove anything to you. Who are you by the way? The Almighty God would help those who trust Him - your patients. He has nothing to prove to an inconsequential being like you.

jaephoenix:
You are comparing AI to what I was taught in medical school via thoroughly researched physiology texts? Where did I say that peristalsis is a rotation?
This AI output even says peristalsis is one directional
So how does vomiting occur? How do people that have Rumination Syndrome regurgitate food?

What the AI said is an established fact. Bring your medical sources that claim peristalsis can cause rotations in the body. At least that what was you claimed. You said doctors don't just allow it because they do not want the rotation to cause more harm such as perforations .

Lawag3:
Sorry for the delayed response.

I have always loved to way you explain things . You used the word EVIDENCE.

While some experiments have indicated a progression from inorganic to organic basic amino acids which is considered a material from which the building blocks of life forms we should keep in mind that Amino acids are not life. They are not living.

So I'm tempted to say that there's overwhelming evidence that supports the idea or fact as I think it is , that a non living material or non living matter can not develop or give rise to living matter.

Or vow do you see it.


Don't worry I'll reply immediately I see your mention.

What is the evidence that supports the idea that non living material or non living matter can not develop or give rise to living matter.

LordReed:
Hey man. Glad to have you. How have you been?

Been good,bro. I have been missing some skirmishes in this space. Been active mostly in Instagram and Tiktok,especially the later. And also my japa things have been cooking. How are things

jaephoenix:
I know all that but I want to give him the benefit of doubt. Cos he'll use the fact that I didn't give him the patient details as an excuse

My post was for him Jae. He don't need to contact who he prays for. Let him send his prayers to his god.