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Expanse2020:
Ma sun kun just tell us as it in the Genesis 🤣🤣 lazaru elepon bulu

Anago, Sule ebira, what are you saying jare?

Make I show you nkan ti kosi ninu Bible abi?

Bobo, are you sure your cerebellum is working perfectly sha

Lawag3:
You're asking questions I believe I have already answered.

How do I know my God is timeless? Well I'll say again he created time so that means he existed before time itself

On[b] your third point and question God created time space and matter. this three have to come into existence at the same instance because non of them can exists independently of the other two. doesn't that tell you that for God to have created time he has to be outside time? if not God is just a matter that occupies space at a point in time. Let's take paintings the painter doesn't exist in his paintings and he existed before his paintings[/b].

Doesn't the bolded explain I know God is timeless? If not explain.

The bible has textual variances and it also has perspective difference not one contradiction.

Yes, the vast majority of scientists believe the universe had a beginning, most commonly explained by the Big Bang theory. This theory states that the universe began approximately 13.8 billion years ago from an extremely hot and dense point that rapidly expanded. While this is the leading explanation supported by a wide range of evidence, alternative ideas continue to be explored by some researchers, though many of these are designed to work within or extend the Big Bang model.

The above was copied after a simple Google search.

So yes the world/ universe have a beginning according to science the big bang everything came into existence immediately after the big bang matter space time all the laws that governs the universe. Before that science doesn't know what was before the big bang.

So if matter space and time as we know it did not exist before the big bang then what did?

This you'd agree with me is a knowledge gap.

I tried to bridge this gap using God

I said this many Christians including myself believe that creation started from nothing or what appears to be nothing ( most of science agrees with that)because I believe that in the beginning the universe wasn't simply a void of absolute nothingness and I went on to add, even if it was, something changed that. [/b]the bible describes creation as God saying it and it just happened like God created the universe from his word. [b]I don't know if the process of creation was a chemical one that span billions of years or if it was instantaneous.( this is me saying the big bang could have been a tool of creation) so I don't know why you assumed that I said God just said something and stuff started popping into existence Thanos-esque. Take for example Genesis 1:11 (KJV) And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Notice how it did not say immediately it was so again take 1:20Genesis 1:20 (KJV) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. According to the scientific consensus is that life likely began in the water. Evidence includes fossil records showing the earliest life was aquatic, we cannot say for sure that God's creation was instantaneous. It doesn't say so in the bible.

Stephen Hawking and Lawrence Krauss are two scientists who discussed how the universe could have started from "nothing". [/[b]b]Their ideas, however, involve a scientific concept of "nothing"—such as empty space with quantum fluctuations—rather than a complete absence of anything.

I also copied the above from a simple Google search

Plus the bible never said the universe was a void Genesis 1:2 called the EARTH a void and formless not the universe.

I dont know where you got your coincidence story. I personally believe we dont know how we came about. The abounding theory is that we came from a unicellular organism and evolved. Thats all there's to it. Well if you don't believe that everything life as we know it was a coordinated process by someone intelligent and conscious then you do believe all as we know it is as a result of multiple coincidences.


When you say Jesus said epilepsy was demonic it means all epilepsy is as a result of demon which Jesus never said . The boy's case specifically was as a result of a demon. It's like saying oh this person sickness is as a result of smoking it doesn't mean all sickness is as a result of smoking.


On the dinosaurs they existed before man. That's all I know . Some one once told me that when God threw Satan to earth that caused an extinction event killing life rendering the earth without form and void. But that's what he said. I can't say what I don't know.


I said I don't believe in evolution? Is it because I did not add commas and punctuation marks?

Because this is what I said To you the idea of creation negates evolution to me it doesn't I believe God gave his living creatures the ability to adapt to certain conditions which could lead to evolution. and I said I did not believe in the evolution of Man specifically. the bible shows man as an abiogenetical creation of God. It said man was formed from Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Man was created differently from other animals.

I don't know. But then I have studied My God his works his word. I have studied other religions and compare them. The evidence points to me that the God of the bible is the only genuine God. Relationship with My God is personal so yes you can experience My God.

But then you'd be a complete idiot to take my word for it that's why I urged you to study find evidences study the gospel study God in the old and New testament study the gods of other religions and compare them then come to your conclusion.

Cc LordReed

So what is your evidence that Yhwh created time and space? I'm not doubting but how do you know the time and space isn't eternal since you believe Yhwh is eternal.
OMFG! You actually believe the bible doesn't have contradictions? I made a whole ass topic on it and there has been several books written on the contradictions,lies and miseducation in the bible. https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes

Before big bang,science doesn't know the events leading up to it. So that means it doesn't know if the world has a beginning since big bang technically isnt the beginning of the universe. So science doesn't know the actual beginning.

Bridging a knowledge gap with god is where the problem lies. I gave you examples where humans thought god was responsible for flood etc. It's lazy thinking to bridge any knowledge gap with a god. It's fallacious and wrong.

So you're saying there was a time lag from when god said something before it materializes? So it wasn't immediate? Really? Do you think your fellow Christians believe the same?
The bible clearly said it was instantaneous. Stop twisting your bible

Your bible didn't even talk about other planets creation,it devoted its creation stories to earth alone. So assume that universe to be strictly earth.

About Jesus and the demon possessed boy, your Jesus said his epilepsy is due to demon possession. And I'm telling you as a physician that NO epilepsy is due to demon possession. None. Not even one. Let that sink in

Bro,evolution of man is a proven scientific fact. We have evolved from a raw meat eating man to cooked meat. Thats why we have an incisor and an appendix. Now these organs are lying dormant in our body. We also had tails as fetuses growing in the womb. I can tell several instances but you can read up yourself

Same way a muslim would say Allah is his favorite sky daddy and he has a personal relationship. Same way a Hindu would say Brahma is the main dude and he has a relationship. None of yall presenting a single shred of evidence proving your gods exist. How can you expect me to believe the 'evidence' in your bible that your god exists. Would you believe any evidence from the Koran or Veda?

Sorry for the late response

AntiChristian:
I hope you won't wait till eternity!

Wait til eternity for what

Man unexpectedly cured of HIV after stem cell transplant

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2506595-man-unexpectedly-cured-of-hiv-after-stem-cell-transplant/

Jaephoenix, FxMasterz

LordReed:
Man unexpectedly cured of HIV after stem cell transplant

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2506595-man-unexpectedly-cured-of-hiv-after-stem-cell-transplant/

Jaephoenix, FxMasterz

Nothing new. We have seen HIV cured by the power of God.

But let me behave like atheists do: the information is false. Those guys who wrote that piece need to have their brains checked for believing in some bullshit.

Hahaha. That feels atheistic, isn't it?

FxMasterz:
Nothing new. We have seen HIV cured by the power of God.

But let me behave like atheists do: the information is false. Those guys who wrote that piece need to have their brains checked for believing in some bullshit.

Hahaha. That feels atheistic, isn't it?

Nope that's not how atheists behave. You are just being flippant.

The question I would ask is how can we verify that this is true.

LordReed:
Nope that's not how atheists behave. You are just being flippant.

The question I would ask is how can we verify that this is true.

Nope. You don't ask such questions. You always try to let the narrator see his own personal experiences as fake.

FxMasterz:
Nope. You don't ask such questions. You always try to let the narrator see his own personal experiences as fake.

My first question to you in this thread was:

LordReed:
Do you think foreign objects in people's bodies only move or change orientation due to prayer?

Why would you try to say otherwise?

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AntiisIam:
Anago, Sule ebira, what are you saying jare?

Make I show you nkan ti kosi ninu Bible abi?

Bobo, are you sure your cerebellum is working perfectly sha

He no de inside bible
The age the mother Isaac born him
The age at which Rebecca was when the Isaac mother died

Expanse2020:
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He no de inside bible
The age the mother Isaac born him
The age at which Rebecca was when the Isaac mother died

Shey na inside quran or Hadith you see the age from nii or awon alfa e niwon so age yen fun e

LordReed:
My first question to you in this thread was:



Why would you try to say otherwise?

It was an irrelevant question because nono one ever said Foreign objects move only by prayers in the body. You blatantly rejected the fact that the object moved only AFTER prayers but believed without questioning that HIV was cured AFTER applying stem cells.

FxMasterz:
It was an irrelevant question because nono one ever said Foreign objects move only by prayers in the body. You blatantly rejected the fact that the object moved only AFTER prayers but believed without questioning that HIV was cured AFTER applying stem cells.

It seems irrelevant to you because you don't know how to find out what is true or how to distinguish between what is natural and what you claim is supernatural.

Kindly show where I "blatantly rejected the fact that the object moved only AFTER prayers" or have you started lying again?

Also show where I "BELIEVED without questioning that HIV was cured AFTER applying stem cells". Don't be a liar.

AntiisIam:
Shey na inside quran or Hadith you see the age from nii or awon alfa e niwon so age yen fun e

Alaye quote bible no de parabulute

Expanse2020:
Alaye quote bible no de parabulute

Omi eran, ebira, na you go quote Bible verse you read their age from

@FxMastersz
This is a reply to a message u said AI is better than scientific knowledge
For some reasons only S.eun knows,his bots have been feasting on my replies and even stand alone posts

FxMasterz:
It could be your own contact where I can drop a voice note that you could play for those who need prayers.

Again,I can't drop my number for you. Deeply sorry,but I barely know you.
However, u can create prayer notes and I play it for the patients. How's that sound

LordReed:
Man unexpectedly cured of HIV after stem cell transplant

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2506595-man-unexpectedly-cured-of-hiv-after-stem-cell-transplant/

Jaephoenix, FxMasterz

There's even some injectables that can cure HIV. It's no more a death sentence since the days of my clinical rotations

FxMasterz:
Nothing new. We have seen HIV cured by the power of God.

But let me behave like atheists do: the information is false. Those guys who wrote that piece need to have their brains checked for believing in some bullshit.

Hahaha. That feels atheistic, isn't it?

This is science. It has been tested and can be retested anywhere,anytime and anyhow and they'd still work. Can we say the same for those healed of HIV? No. Why do you think no doctor has come out to back any claims of healing from pastors? Cos they all turn to be lies. Simple

FxMasterz:
It was an irrelevant question because nono one ever said Foreign objects move only by prayers in the body. You blatantly rejected the fact that the object moved only AFTER prayers but believed without questioning that HIV was cured AFTER applying stem cells.

Was your claims that the nail moved verified by anyone? No. Was the claims that stem cells heal HIV verified? Yes.
That's the difference. Science works by verifiable evidence

jaephoenix:
Was your claims that the nail moved verified by anyone? No. Was the claims that stem cells heal HIV verified? Yes.
That's the difference. Science works by verifiable evidence

The claim that the nail moved was not verified by anyone? Even with all X-ray evidence?

You atheists live by denial. Simple.

When verified reports are presented for things pertaining to God, you deny it, but if presented by science, you'll quickly embrace it.

jaephoenix:
This is science. It has been tested and can be retested anywhere,anytime and anyhow and they'd still work. Can we say the same for those healed of HIV? No. Why do you think no doctor has come out to back any claims of healing from pastors? Cos they all turn to be lies. Simple

Yes we can say the same for those healed of HIV. Some bring their medical reports to the altar. Even science was created by God.

God specializes in things science cannot do.

jaephoenix:
Again,I can't drop my number for you. Deeply sorry,but I barely know you.
However, u can create prayer notes and I play it for the patients. How's that sound

How would the patients receive the prayer notes?

FxMasterz:
The claim that the nail moved was not verified by anyone? Even with all X-ray evidence?

You atheists live by denial. Simple.

When verified reports are presented for things pertaining to God, you deny it, but if presented by science, you'll quickly embrace it.

I meant the claim that it moved AFTER PRAYERS was not verified. Also the fact this cannot be properly verified is due to the movement of the gut. A good way we verify is if we put the nail in a vacuum and you pray,if if it moves,then we can agree prayers work

FxMasterz:
Yes we can say the same for those healed of HIV. Some bring their medical reports to the altar. Even science was created by God.

God specializes in things science cannot do.

Give me an example of a HIV patient healed? Those reports are not signed by any doctor that's the point. At least u r educated,if a document isnt signed by an authority, it would not be credible and not admitted in court. Anyone can forge any document.
There are many stricken Christian celebrities eg Cobhams Asuquo,Yinka Ayefele etc. How come they ain't been healed despite copious healing news we get everyday? If they are healed,then that would be a good evidence for miracles cos their ailments have been well documented,one is blind and the other paraplegic

FxMasterz:
How would the patients receive the prayer notes?

I'll play it for them