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TV01:
Is SA doing better under the ANC\Black majority rule - is the general trajectory upwards and things all-round better for the majority of citizens?

I'd be really happy to here an unbiased & objective take here.

Please go easy on RodgersAkpafu aka ekemefune. I don't want him completely vanquished, as I enjoy coming up in here and giving him palpitations every now and again. Kindly help him to understand that a multi-cultural utopia, even if possible or desirable, can't happen with the inclusion of a sizeable sectarian and ethno-supremacist demographic.





Danke!


TV

The ANC’s legacy is complicated.....not purely heroic, not purely disastrous( unlike what your friend RodgersAkpafu wanted to portray because the ANC is a more Black SA party) .The ANC did a lot of foundational good:
Expanded the infrastructure, access to water, electricity, housing, and social grants for millions.Stabilized and diversified the economy post-1994 (SA had massive debt, sanctions, and isolation before).Built institutions (Constitutional Court, Chapter 9 bodies) that remain strong despite political pressure. Grew the biggest middle class in Africa. Turned SA into a middle income country with the highest number of dollar millionaires on the continent ( coming from across racial lines this time ) etc

These achievements materially improved daily life for the majority of South Africans.

And yet, the ANC has also damaged the country:
State capture, corruption, patronage networks.Collapse of some SOEs .Decline in state capacity.Growing inequality, unemployment, crime, mass migration into the country( lack of border control).A leadership culture where some feel entitled to rule instead of being accountable.

I guess it's a normal cycle for liberation movements globally. They often struggle in long-term governance and we are witnessing this in SA with the ANC .

South Africans can simultaneously hold two truths:
1. The ANC uplifted millions after apartheid and made South Africa the place to be and a good place develop your career and family.
2. The ANC of today has failed to maintain it's own progress. So this is why millions want them gone. We are greatful for the good,but cannot stomach the current mess that looks to have no ending .

JaceBlaze:
Hai no! You are cooking straight

Have no smoke for Tinoobu but will cross the Mediterranean on a banana raft to disturb the social balance of the UK😂😂😂😂

You know the big-boys nah. Always busy rescuing everywhere else, yet Nigeria still waits its turn . I guess now they have progressed to full-blown colonial, extermination ambitions .

Lionessza6:
You know the big-boys nah. Always busy rescuing everywhere else, yet Nigeria still waits its turn . I guess now they have progressed to full-blown colonial, extermination ambitions .

Their ambition is not rescue everywhere else.rather is to leech off and blood-such everybody before they move on to the next best available country.I just don't understand people who promote and celebrate mass migration,especially when the people who are coming in don't bring anything of value.

Lionessza6:
The ANC’s legacy is complicated.....not purely heroic, not purely disastrous( unlike what your friend RodgersAkpafu wanted to portray because the ANC is a more Black SA party) .The ANC did a lot of foundational good:
Expanded the infrastructure, access to water, electricity, housing, and social grants for millions.Stabilized and diversified the economy post-1994 (SA had massive debt, sanctions, and isolation before).Built institutions (Constitutional Court, Chapter 9 bodies) that remain strong despite political pressure. Grew the biggest middle class in Africa. Turned SA into a middle income country with the highest number of dollar millionaires on the continent ( coming from across racial lines this time ) etc

These achievements materially improved daily life for the majority of South Africans.

And yet, the ANC has also damaged the country:
State capture, corruption, patronage networks.Collapse of some SOEs .Decline in state capacity.Growing inequality, unemployment, crime, mass migration into the country( lack of border control).A leadership culture where some feel entitled to rule instead of being accountable.

I guess it's a normal cycle for liberation movements globally. They often struggle in long-term governance and we are witnessing this in SA with the ANC .

South Africans can simultaneously hold two truths:
1. The ANC uplifted millions after apartheid and made South Africa the place to be and a good place develop your career and family.
2. The ANC of today has failed to maintain it's own progress. So this is why millions want them gone. We are greatful for the good,but cannot stomach the current mess that looks to have no ending .

Thank you.

I am not close enough to comment assuredly on SA either way. However, from what I have seen repeated severally, if the sum culture of the black majority\leadership does not naturally lend itself to building a modern democratic state, it simply won't happen.

Point 2. above does not bode well - patronage, corruption? And exactly how will SA "get them gone". And, will their replacements be any better? Yes, being in opposition and ruling are entirely different things. Being the victims of injustice and then being given the reigns of power will soon show how virtuous you really are.

Is a nation, spiralling downward, is it stable or, is it on an upward trajectory? Do the citizenry have the history, the tradition, the vision and the collective will to build a functioning and prosperous commonwealth?

All the best to the Rainbow nation - you sound optimistic and I sincerely wish your nation well. Stay well away from the ROP. I hear they are making in-roads.


TV

JaceBlaze:
Their ambition is not rescue everywhere else.rather is to leech off and blood-such everybody before they move on to the next best available country.I just don't understand people who promote and celebrate mass migration,especially when the people who are coming in don't bring anything of value.

Don't forget we our DNA is soon to infiltrate all ethnic groups around the world. In the next couple of decades, we shall be everyone and everyone shall be us.

There is no stopping evolution and natural selection.

seppuku:
Don't forget we our DNA is soon to infiltrate all ethnic groups around the world. In the next couple of decades, we shall be everyone and everyone shall be us.

There is no stopping evolution and natural selection.

I completely understand.If I was from a community where people have deformed and extremely large heads I too would look for good-looking people in another community to mix my less attractive genetics with🤞

JaceBlaze:
I completely understand.If I was from a community where people have deformed and extremely large heads I too would look for good-looking people in another community to mix my less attractive genetics with🤞

Yes this is why Nigerian men are regarding as some of the most good looking African/black people on the planet.

PS. Larger heads= Larger brains correlated to higher intelligence. How do you think we run those scams.

seppuku:
Yes this is why Nigerian men are regarding as some of the most good looking African/black people on the planet.

PS. Larger heads= Larger brains correlated to higher intelligence. How do you think we run those scams.

If you say so,Mr Ibu.

70% illiteracy rate in your country says your statement is incorrect.What have you got to say about that?

JaceBlaze:
If you say so,Mr Ibu.

70% illiteracy rate in your country says your statement is incorrect.What have you got to say about that?

You don't need to go to be able to read or write to be smart.

Your metric is a conjecture by the white man. Believe him at your own peril.

PS. RIP MR IBU.You made us laugh for many years. We love you always.

seppuku:
You don't need to go to be able to read or write to be smart.

Your metric is a conjecture by the white man. Believe him at your own peril.

PS. RIP MR IBU.You made us laugh for many years. We love you always.

Blaming the white man for having low intellect is diabolical.

He sure did,and it wasn't because he was talented.All he had to do was just stand there and be ugly lol

JaceBlaze:
Blaming the white man for having low intellect is diabolical.

Nah, what's diabolical is framing Africa through the lense of a species of Human that have always believed that they are intellectually superior and spread half-truths to further this agenda.

JaceBlaze:
He sure did,and it wasn't because he was talented.All he had to do was just stand there and be ugly lol

As ugly as he may have been, made more impact in his short time on earth than you probably ever will even if you live to 100.

seppuku:
Nah, what's diabolical is framing Africa through the lense of a species of Human that have always believed that they are intellectually superior and spread half-truths to further this agenda.



As ugly as he may have been, made more impact in his short time on earth than you probably ever will even if you live to 100.

White people are not the first race to read and write so you trying to suggest that I'm using them to measure you up is insane.Pulling arguments no one was having out of thin air is also diabolical...like how did we arrive here?

I brought him up because the typical Nigerian looks like him,or worse.You must have forgot how we got to Ibu.His supposed impact is irrelevant to the conversation.

JaceBlaze:
White people are not the first race to read and write so you trying to suggest that I'm using them to measure you up is insane.Pulling arguments no one was having out of thin air is also diabolical...like how did we arrive here?

No, I am suggesting that the stats you have "erroneously" stated is highly skewed by a diabolical agent of whom you are under their influence That is what is truly insane.

I can't blame you though, you have never been anywhere in "Africa" to understand the realities on ground so you would only know what you have been fed. Askies!

JaceBlaze:
I brought him up because the typical Nigerian looks like him,or worse.You must have forgot how we got to Ibu.His supposed impact is irrelevant to the conversation.

mentioning a dead person's name to address what you believe I look like or what an average Nigerian looks like is highly insensitive and disrespectful but of course you are notorious for a lack of decorum and attempts at scoring cheap points which is why I countered with a respectful shoutout to a departed soul, honoring his achievements while alive. Relevant to my sensibilities when conversing, irrelevant to yours.

seppuku:
No, I am suggesting that the stats you have "erroneously" stated is highly skewed by a diabolical agent of whom you are under their influence That is what is truly insane.

I can't blame you though, you have never been anywhere in "Africa" to understand the realities on ground so you would only know what you have been fed. Askies!



mentioning a dead person's name to address what you believe I look like or what an average Nigerian looks like is highly insensitive and disrespectful but of course you are notorious for a lack of decorum and attempts at scoring cheap points which is why I countered with a respectful shoutout to a departed soul, honoring his achievements while alive. Relevant to my sensibilities when conversing, irrelevant to yours.

If talking without saying anything was a person it would be you.

Is this the apex of what high intellect should be in Naija?

JaceBlaze:
If talking without saying anything was a person it would be you.

Is this the apex of what high intellect should be in Naija?

Let's break it down for six year olds to understand, next time when you claim a stat to be accurate kindly add the source EVERYTIME! so we can fact check. It demonstrates the apex of high intellect for individuals who claim such, otherwise I am free to suggest anything about the information being presented.

A BIG SHOUT OUT again to Mr IBU, great soul, great human being who is obviously "irrelevant" to the point above but still matters to me on a personal level.

seppuku:
Let's break it down for six year olds to understand, next time when you claim a stat to be accurate kindly add the source EVERYTIME! so we can fact check. It demonstrates the apex of high intellect for individuals who claim such, otherwise I am free to suggest anything about the information being presented.

A BIG SHOUT OUT again to Mr IBU, great soul, great human being who is obviously "irrelevant" to the point above but still matters to me on a personal level.

You and I couldn't agree more,you only make sense to six year-olds.

JaceBlaze:
You and I couldn't agree more,you only make sense to six year-olds.

That cheap as usual come back is as weak as your rap idol: Maggz bars when he débuted on DA L.E.S's fire song.

You better off giving me the silent treatment.

seppuku:
That cheap as usual come back is as weak as your rap idol: Maggz bars when he débuted on DA L.E.S's fire song.

You better off giving me the silent treatment.

Again..speaking without thinking.What are you on about?

JaceBlaze:
Again..speaking without thinking.What are you on about?

I am on about what you were on about.

Stop acting like you have no idea.

My gosh! Neurotypical brains, so Linear in their thinking.

seppuku:
I am on about what you were on about.

Stop acting like you have no idea.

My gosh! Neurotypical brains, so Linear in their thinking.

Spukkupukku,you said it yourself that you are speaking a language that is only understood by six year-olds and now you are mad that your gibberish is not understood?

JaceBlaze:
Spukkupukku,you said it yourself that you are speaking a language that is only understood by six year-olds and now you are mad that your gibberish is not understood?

No, I broke it down so anyone down to a six year old could understand it and not for six year old's SPECIFICALLY!

Neurotypical brains. SMH

seppuku:
No, I broke it down so anyone down to a six year old could understand it and not for six year old's SPECIFICALLY!

Neurotypical brains. SMH

You broke it down for those in Makoko and Kaduna.Us who don't live in 5th world country see it as gibberish😉

Shout out to Makoko,the floating West African Venice😂😂😂😂

JaceBlaze:
You broke it down for those in Makoko and Kaduna.Us who don't live in 5th world country see it as gibberish😉

Shout out to Makoko,the floating West African Venice😂😂😂😂

When you post your source for those erroneous statistics you mentioned then maybe the god of sleep will take anything you say about the rest of "Africa" seriously.

Till then I will continue to be suspect of Bantu education.

seppuku:
When you post your source for those erroneous statistics you mentioned then maybe the god of sleep will take anything you say about the rest of "Africa" seriously.

Till then I will continue to be suspect of Bantu education.

Just accept that you have an illiteracy crisis in your homeland with more kids out of school than in school,stop fighting the facts.

No,I am not a product of Bandu education but some who came before me were,and guess what? At least they acknowledge it unlike you who is try to argue with what the rest of the world already knows.

JaceBlaze:
Just accept that you have an illiteracy crisis in your homeland with more kids out of school than in school,stop fighting the facts.

Where are the facts?

JaceBlaze:
No,I am not a product of Bandu education but some who came before me were,and guess what? At least they acknowledge it unlike you who is try to argue with what the rest of the world already knows.

You are a product of bantu education. The way in which you construct your arguments, quote erroneous "facts" about Nigeria and demonstrate zero historical antecedents of the West African region in general is proof.

Madala, you must get that passport and travel now now. Don't be scared.

Ps. Have they found the killer of Witness D' yet. Your thriving black middle class over there are some nasty mofo's. You'll do anything just to cover up your dirt but the whole world is witnessing it.