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Taal17:
This FB poster is dumb
Isn't it 20 or 30 yrs for ILR asylumees so what's the gain of ppl able to change employer. Pschew.
Ppl just taking delight in gaming the next person when you're both on a ferris wheel.

This isn't law yet, it's still at proposal stage.

At the time the FB poster made the comment, asylum seekers had a 5 year path to ILR and a lot more flexibility and "perks" than other migrants e.g no sponsorship requirements, no conditions on family reunification, access to benefits etc.

It was also vastly cheaper as no visa or IHS fees, legal fees usually covered by legal aid...so it was viewed by many as a "golden visa".

Zahra29:
1. It is also mentioned that the UK has its own spying agenda with China. Doesn't mean that the UK shouldn't move to protect its interests/assets, same as China and other sensible countries are doing.

2. Yes the "threat" is real, and it has been reported that senior MoD personnel have been advised to take precautions including being careful when having sensitive discussions in govt issued Chinese vehicles. It is irrelevant what they are paid. However if they are of a high enough grade to be privy to highly sensitive information and have access to a government car, then I highly doubt they are being paid entry level salaries. You really think a senior/career civil servant is on £35k?

See below for security concerns from Danish authorities about remotely operated "kill switches" in Chinese electric buses. Its not just a UK issue. Perhaps your response to Denmark is "use Denmark made buses only " or "more immigration please"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/05/danish-authorities-in-rush-to-close-security-loophole-in-chinese-electric-buses

2.1. On the subject of threats/spying you do realise that it extends beyond EV vehicles, AI dominance etc. For example there are underlying diplomatic frictions with China - the BNO visa holders issue is one example - where China has been accused of surveillance and intimidating behaviour against some Hong Kongers who have sought refuge in the UK.
We don't need to wait for another Salisbury poisoning incident before we become alive to the threat posed by certain foreign states.

3. As I've already stated, no other country can currently compete with China in manufacturing and technology, save for America who is increasingly falling a distant second. China is already No 1 in many areas.

Even countries with more liberal immigration policies such as Canada, Germany? and apparently Australia, are also WAY behind China - so your above argument is a non sequitur.

And for that matter, China itself has one of the most restrictive immigration policies in spite of its falling birth rate. Not everything is down to immigration.

1. Point is we always hear of China doing it, never the other way. You and I both know this.

2. Again, gov issued Chinese cars. Where are UK EVs? You completely skipped the entire point and Yes, MOD offers £35k - £40K for Cybersec roles. Why go through all that stress of listening via EVs when I can pay someone off or remotely hack devices? A similar case happened to Crowdstrike less than a month ago. - https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/21/crowdstrike-fires-suspicious-insider-who-passed-information-to-hackers/

If you cant see the propaganda here, then I am sorry.. and of course, Denmark also said it, as if there is any DNA difference between Taiye and Kehinde

3. The argument is between UK, US and China and not other countries.

Also, all the countries you mentioned have better immigration policies than the UK. Show me any of the listed countries which charges the equivalent of £14K for a family of 2 to stay for 4 years. Also, let us see the direct to PR / green card pathway for the UK from Day 1 or your argument is moot.

We both know your stance so there is no need to debate it further

HustlaOfLagos:
1. Point is we always hear of China doing it, never the other way. You and I both know this.

2. Again, gov issued Chinese cars. Where are UK EVs? You completely skipped the entire point and Yes, MOD offers £35k - £40K for Cybersec roles. Why go through all that stress of listening via EVs when I can pay someone off or remotely hack devices? A similar case happened to Crowdstrike less than a month ago. - https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/21/crowdstrike-fires-suspicious-insider-who-passed-information-to-hackers/

If you cant see the propaganda here, then I am sorry.. and of course, Denmark also said it, as if there is any DNA difference between Taiye and Kehinde

3. The argument is between UK, US and China and not other countries.

Also, all the countries you mentioned have better immigration policies than the UK. Show me any of the listed countries which charges the equivalent of £14K for a family of 2 to stay for 4 years. Also, let us see the direct to PR / green card pathway for the UK from Day 1 or your argument is moot.

We both know your stance so there is no need to debate it further

1. LOL, because we are in the UK!!! If you lived in China, do you think the news would focus more on China's "activities" or on foreign actors such as the US and UK? China that is heavy on state propaganda and censorship...

2. I said "senior" MoD personnel. Anyone on £35k is not senior, is very likely not privy to highly sensitive and confidential information and most likely does not have use of a govt issued EV. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?

3. The initial discussion was about UK and China. I even said that the UK knows that it's not in the same league as China when it comes to manufacturing, technology etc. You were the one who brought US and immigration into it.

I already stated that Canada and some others have more liberal immigration policies than the UK. We're not trying to compete with Canada on who can admit more new entrants or PR holders lol

I mentioned CA in response to your comment that linked the UK's stricter immigration policies to its lack of EVs and the rest. If immigration is the main factor, then CA should be neck and neck with China and flying high as a world leader in the manufacturing, technology and AI spaces. But that's not the case is it...unless I missed the press release....instead they are languishing behind China along with the UK and others 😂

Zahra29:
This isn't law yet, it's still at proposal stage.

At the time the FB poster made the comment, asylum seekers had a 5 year path to ILR and a lot more flexibility and "perks" than other migrants e.g no sponsorship requirements, no conditions on family reunification, access to benefits etc.

It was also vastly cheaper as no visa or IHS fees, legal fees usually covered by legal aid...so it was viewed by many as a "golden visa".

Thanks for clarifying.the timeline.

Even with the 5yr ILR pathway, there's still the length of time for your case to approved right
Then in the UK asylees can't work till their case is approved right?

Jamesclooney:
You’re missing my point. In the previous post you kept going on and on about how you’ve contributed to UK more than others etc. Almost like you were doing the UK a favour…and my question was why did you decide to help UK? Why not help Cameroon or Zambia or Lithuania?

We all know the answer why…exchange of value. You had a skill and they offered you a job/immigration pathway. Had it been there was no opportunity, you’d have sat down in country of origin and forcefully contributed especially in the medical field where your skills are desperately needed.

So spare us with the whole, you’ve contributed so much blah blah blah. It was an exchange. Nobody forced you into it. Now the gig is up for other Nigerians/would be immigrants coming behind us…jungle go soon mature.

Hehe.. I wonder why you sound hurt. Perhaps, you should read my post again (which I have copied below) and tell me how you went from what I wrote to what you posted above. Just highlight what part of the post you have issues with.
The way folks think ehn... Next if I say I breathe in air to survive, you would say I'm claiming to breathe more air than others.

jedisco:
Is this supposed to be a threat? The stuff you spew.

Let me ask - exposed on what? Exposed that when the UK badly needed skilled labour I offered my services? Exposed that I gave over half a decade of my life in service of the British populace? Exposed that I was a significant net contributor by a very wide margin throughout my stay? Exposed that I decided to invest in Britain rather that take that to competing nations? Exposed that I continued the Lords work elsewhere? Exposed on what exactly?

Whether it's by nature or nurture, the more you type, the more it becomes obvious that we do not think alike. I can only thank God for wiring my brain differently from yours. Can't imagine what it feels like to see the world through your lens.

I'm sure if I came here calling myself 'third worlder', chorusing how something is wrong with the black man or narrating how I lower my gaze when being spoken to, you'd have called me a visionary.

jedisco:
Hehe.. I wonder why you sound hurt. Perhaps, you should read my post again (which I have copied below) and tell me how you went from what I wrote to what you posted above. Just highlight what part of the post you have issues with.
The way folks think ehn... Next if I say I breathe in air to survive, you would say I'm claiming to breathe more air than others.

Oga please shift.

For someone who claims to be so “accomplished”and “winning “ , you brag a little too much for an anonymous platform. If it was LinkedIn or IG, maybe I would understand. But sorry for you, I’m not easily impressed (as I suspect others maybe too).

Enjoy your new found life/thread (Living in Canada - Life of An Immigrant).

I hope they enjoy the benefits of your superior perspectives.

Shalom!

The UK right now is not really worthy of any argument when it comes to immigration. I bet they don't even have data on how many legal residents and including their own citizens are moving out of the UK. 5 of us that I know bullshit their COS when the rumours of 10 years ILR came out and left for Australia, Canada and the US. People questioned my decision to leave NHS CoS for a Funded PhD in the US but I don't care. Look at the UK care sector very well, so many people who did their PhD in the UK in that sector, all because of COS, now what? I am sure they are still going to go to Africa or Asia to hunt again for Doctors, Nurses and low-paid labourers in a few years. Just that some of us, our dreams couldn't wait for 10 years(now 15 years proposal) or we risk getting stuck in the care sector (ask why even some people who later got the citizenship later got stuck in care). I see people saying “I'm just doing it for the passport”, Who told you that you will make it through that time? The other sad part is getting abused at work and in the community then having these politicians like Rupert and Farage validate them(now Labour and Tory join). If you trust your dreams enough, you are not really going to do what you don't like just cuz of a passport either for you or your children. Dare to dream, you really never know what is coming. If you are one of these “Boris waves” as they labelled us and you are not packaged into the UK, just find a way to a country that can validate your dreams. I really love living in the UK, but sadly my ambition and parents' struggles on that journey are gonna be wasted.

Jamesclooney:
Oga please shift.

For someone who claims to be so “accomplished”and “winning “ , you brag a little too much for an anonymous platform. If it was LinkedIn or IG, maybe I would understand. But sorry for you, I’m not easily impressed (as I suspect others maybe too).

Enjoy your new found life/thread (Living in Canada - Life of An Immigrant).

I hope they enjoy the benefits of your superior perspectives.

Shalom!

From 'almost like you were doing the UK a favour' to this.

So much mental rigmarole. I wonder if you know what it means to brag. Being confident of basic self-worth is not pride. Next time, it's worth understanding a post before jumping into conclusions.

Jamesclooney:
Oga please shift.

For someone who claims to be so “accomplished”and “winning “ , you brag a little too much for an anonymous platform. If it was LinkedIn or IG, maybe I would understand. But sorry for you, I’m not easily impressed (as I suspect others maybe too).

Enjoy your new found life/thread (Living in Canada - Life of An Immigrant).

I hope they enjoy the benefits of your superior perspectives.

Shalom!

Just some posts above, we were just discussing how repulsive the habit of turning on ring lights and sharing illegal means of gaming the system. We usually also frown against a lack of ambition beyond the barest minimum level. Now, here is someone sharing their legitimate achievements. I wonder why anyone should have a problem with that. If anything, it should be a source of motivation, and not the other way round. Well, at least that's my own default POV on positive news. But then I guess to each their own ................

LionInZion:
Just some posts above, we were just discussing how repulsive the habit of turning on ring lights and sharing illegal means of gaming the system. We usually also frown against a lack of ambition beyond the barest minimum level. Now, here is someone sharing their legitimate achievements. I wonder why anyone should have a problem with that. If anything, it should be a source of motivation, and not the other way round. Well, at least that's my own default POV on positive news. But then I guess to each their own ................

Àbí ó. And the person is ignoring the fact that he said what he said in response to attacks from lavida loca questioning his contributions, as opposed to just randomly coming to ‘boast’ or put anyone else down, as we’ve seen many times from others.

Goodenoch:
Àbí ó. And the person is ignoring the fact that he said what he said in response to attacks from lavida loca questioning his contributions, as opposed to just randomly coming to ‘boast’ or put anyone else down, as we’ve seen many times from others.

Exactly. Coming here, unprovoked, to attack someone for their view, is outright bullying, especially given the context and genesis of the OP's comment he quoted.

LionInZion:
Just some posts above, we were just discussing how repulsive the habit of turning on ring lights and sharing illegal means of gaming the system. We usually also frown against a lack of ambition beyond the barest minimum level. Now, here is someone sharing their legitimate achievements. I wonder why anyone should have a problem with that. If anything, it should be a source of motivation, and not the other way round. Well, at least that's my own default POV on positive news. But then I guess to each their own ................

I wanted to mention this earlier but it will look as if am taking sides.

Honestly am ashamed of some of the posts here, we moved from discussing issues which affects us all especially as uk immigrants to attacking one another unnecessarily . But am I surprised? No cos that’s what the Uk and its policies does to your mind at times making you feel there’s no other place like the Uk to achieve your goals as an immigrant. Everyone had better wise up and focus more on themselves. Phew!

Zahra29:
I mentioned CA in response to your comment that linked the UK's stricter immigration policies to its lack of EVs and the rest. If immigration is the main factor, then CA should be neck and neck with China and flying high as a world leader in the manufacturing, technology and AI spaces. But that's not the case is it...unless I missed the press release....instead they are languishing behind China along with the UK and others 😂

At least, at the end of the day, those countries don't desperately try to restrict their immigrants to be bottom feeders and accuse them of being the cause of their woes ever market day. They also are not delulu and do not pretend to still be in 1847 while accusing countries that are way past them of being a threat to them

Those in Canada and those countries you mentioned are assured of their stay and do not spend the equivalent of a house deposit on COS costs

Before you rush and attack people like you so you can show that you're 'calling out your own' and 'not like the rest of them', make sure you do your DD on whatever it is you've heard - https://metro.co.uk/2025/12/03/catholic-nun-stabbed-herself-attack-locals-blamed-a-migrant-25108088/

Goodenoch:
Before you rush and attack people like you so you can show that you're 'calling out your own' and 'not like the rest of them', make sure you do your DD on whatever it is you've heard - https://metro.co.uk/2025/12/03/catholic-nun-stabbed-herself-attack-locals-blamed-a-migrant-25108088/

When in doubt, blame an immigrant today

jedisco:
From 'almost like you were doing the UK a favour' to this.

So much mental rigmarole. I wonder if you know what it means to brag. Being confident of basic self-worth is not pride. Next time, it's worth understanding a post before jumping into conclusions.

Baba shift enter Canada thread abeg.

You’re not the guy you think you are. Other people on this thread, don achieve pass you, but na you proud pass (on top faceless forum oo 😂). You don’t have monopoly on “wisdom” or whatever you think you have upstairs. Every small thing, “mental rigmarole”…”I can’t imagine seeing life through your lenses”. Free advice: Stop pontificating!
You too, I hope this is not the brain you want to use in Canada? If not those Indians would mess you up.

OgbeniOptional:
The UK right now is not really worthy of any argument when it comes to immigration. I bet they don't even have data on how many legal residents and including their own citizens are moving out of the UK. 5 of us that I know bullshit their COS when the rumours of 10 years ILR came out and left for Australia, Canada and the US. People questioned my decision to leave NHS CoS for a Funded PhD in the US but I don't care. Look at the UK care sector very well, so many people who did their PhD in the UK in that sector, all because of COS, now what? I am sure they are still going to go to Africa or Asia to hunt again for Doctors, Nurses and low-paid labourers in a few years. Just that some of us, our dreams couldn't wait for 10 years(now 15 years proposal) or we risk getting stuck in the care sector (ask why even some people who later got the citizenship later got stuck in care). I see people saying “I'm just doing it for the passport”, Who told you that you will make it through that time? The other sad part is getting abused at work and in the community then having these politicians like Rupert and Farage validate them(now Labour and Tory join). If you trust your dreams enough, you are not really going to do what you don't like just cuz of a passport either for you or your children. Dare to dream, you really never know what is coming. If you are one of these “Boris waves” as they labelled us and you are not packaged into the UK, just find a way to a country that can validate your dreams. I really love living in the UK, but sadly my ambition and parents' struggles on that journey are gonna be wasted.

I totally agree with you that they’ve give racists the permission structure to be explicitly racist/prejudiced. Just look at Farage’s pitiful response to the allegations from his school mates. They’re so brazen now.

For someone considering EB1/2, those points you made about Rupert Lowe & Nigel Farage, is it not worse with Trump and MAGA in the US?

Goke7:
I wanted to mention this earlier but it will look as if am taking sides.

Honestly am ashamed of some of the posts here, we moved from discussing issues which affects us all especially as uk immigrants to attacking one another unnecessarily . But am I surprised? No cos that’s what the Uk and its policies does to your mind at times making you feel there’s no other place like the Uk to achieve your goals as an immigrant. Everyone had better wise up and focus more on themselves. Phew!

Exactly. It's surprising seeing such unprovoked attacks.

Jamesclooney:
Baba shift enter Canada thread abeg.

You’re not the guy you think you are. Other people on this thread, don achieve pass you, but na you proud pass (on top faceless forum oo 😂). You don’t have monopoly on “wisdom” or whatever you think you have upstairs. Every small thing, “mental rigmarole”…”I can’t imagine seeing life through your lenses”. Free advice: Stop pontificating!
You too, I hope this is not the brain you want to use in Canada? If not those Indians would mess you up.

He is quick to shut people down I remember when he called me rat and all. Then noBody said a word, everybody just throw away face but if na lavida na then man like wilberforce go suddenly come out of retirement to ask for admin to remove me.

Na our people we dey accommodate him. No one here has the balls to say it as it is. Just like someone said here some moons ago that he is a politician he knows how to bamboozle our people.

Come online post about couple of houses and cars and brag about the imaginary millions in acccount and watch how naija people become loyal to you and they see no wrong in what you do. You become their mini god.

Him no go try am for CA forum , those ones no get joy. Them go position am for his corner.

They don't really mess with students or if you are legal. They know who they are looking for, it is best to just avoid crimes.

Jamesclooney:
I totally agree with you that they’ve give racists the permission structure to be explicitly racist/prejudiced. Just look at Farage’s pitiful response to the allegations from his school mates. They’re so brazen now.

For someone considering EB1/2, those points you made about Rupert Lowe & Nigel Farage, is it not worse with Trump and MAGA in the US?

lavida001:
He is quick to shut people down I remember when he called me rat and all. Then noBody said a word, everybody just throw away face but if na lavida na then man like wilberforce go suddenly come out of retirement to ask for admin to remove me.

Na our people we dey accommodate him. No one here has the balls to say it as it is. Just like someone said here some moons ago that he is a politician he knows how to bamboozle our people.

Come online post about couple of houses and cars and brag about the imaginary millions in acccount and watch how naija people become loyal to you and they see no wrong in what you do. You become their mini god.

Him no go try am for CA forum , those ones no get joy. Them go position am for his corner.

Unfortunately for him, I no send him papa, I don’t give 2Fs about a Nairaland medic journeying from NG > UK > CA (maybe US in the future where the real money is). Like it’s not even a unique pathway to him. Men yakpa weh don do pass that one, yet he won’t let somebody drink water drop cup. Every Eke market day, do you know my net contribution this, or I’m so sorry you have that mindset blah blah blah….Like Neeggah who the F do you think you are? Please have several seats.

Even titans of industry are more humble than the guy. On top online world that by God’s grace, I’ll never ever meet you or need your help, respectfully GTFO!

This kind person go worse pass Burna Boy!

Lovely to see Jedisco is living rent free in some people's head. You can't hide your bitterness and misery behind "I no send..." when it's glaring you do send.

I'm usually one to read and move on but these series of personal attacks should be roundly condemned for what they are, disgusting.

The irony of how your claim that his "bragging" on a faceless forum is uncalled-for whilst you're hating on him on the same faceless forum, is lost on you is pitiable.

You guys need some serious instrospection.

Thread went from fighting/bashing bad UK politicians / policies to Naija vs Naija bashing each other.

Meanwhile, TGIF, the fight is against UK politicians (the Naija ones are a lost cause).

Let love lead o abeg

Jamesclooney:
Unfortunately for him, I no send him papa, I don’t give 2Fs about a Nairaland medic journeying from NG > UK > CA (maybe US in the future where the real money is). Like it’s not even a unique pathway to him. Men yakpa weh don do pass that one, yet he won’t let somebody drink water drop cup. Every Eke market day, do you know my net contribution this, or I’m so sorry you have that mindset blah blah blah….Like Neeggah who the F do you think are you? Please have several seats.

Even titans of industry are more humble than the guy. On top online world that by God’s grace, I’ll never ever meet you or need your help, respectfully GTFO!

This kind person go worse pass Burna Boy!

You're clearly very bitter. I'm not holding brief for him but it's clear to anyone who views it honestly that he has never talked about his accomplishments with the view to put anybody down.

As far as I can recall it's usually when it fits into a normal conversation or in response to people insinuating that he doesn't have options or as lavidaloca said, that he would suffer (which you conveniently ignored before starting these rants).

HustlaOfLagos:
Thread went from fighting/bashing bad UK politicians / policies to Naija vs Naija bashing each other.

Meanwhile, TGIF, the fight is against UK politicians (the Naija ones are a lost cause).

Let love lead o abeg

😂 unfortunately that’s what the uk wants, to produce more of the likes of Kemi badenough that will turn on fellow Nigerians and make them feel bitter when they see immigrants thriving everywhere.

Goodenoch:
You're clearly very bitter. I'm not holding brief for him but it's clear to anyone who views it honestly that he has never talked about his accomplishments with the view to put anybody down.

As far as I can recall it's usually when it fits into a normal conversation or in response to people insinuating that he doesn't have options or as lavidaloca said, that he would suffer (which you conveniently ignored before starting these rants).

They are even praying he should get exposed and dragged. Someone they don’t even know what or how he looks like 😂

Goke7:
😂 unfortunately that’s what the uk wants, to produce more of the likes of Kemi badenough that will turn on fellow Nigerians and make them feel bitter when they see immigrants thriving everywhere.

Bade-Not-Enough

Taal17:
Thanks for clarifying.the timeline.

Even with the 5yr ILR pathway, there's still the length of time for your case to approved right
Then in the UK asylees can't work till their case is approved right?

Correct, most are not allowed to work until their case is decided on so they have to rely on government support. However some are given permission to work (in certain sectors I think, like shortage occupation) if they have been waiting longer than 12 months for a decision on their claim, especially if the delay is not their fault.

Goke7:
I wanted to mention this earlier but it will look as if am taking sides.

Honestly am ashamed of some of the posts here, we moved from discussing issues which affects us all especially as uk immigrants to attacking one another unnecessarily . But am I surprised? No cos that’s what the Uk and its policies does to your mind at times making you feel there’s no other place like the Uk to achieve your goals as an immigrant. Everyone had better wise up and focus more on themselves. Phew!

Genuine question, (and I come in peace )...

Why has similar support not been given to Wandering child/Chukwuka? He has written several posts trying to encourage fellow immigrants to aim higher and has shared his own successes/experiences to highlight what's possible especially if people work together as a community. He comes across as highly intelligent, but also humble. In response he's been criticised, laughed at ( "Aspire to Maguire" or something like that) and recently been accused of being "far removed from reality" and I don't recall anyone standing up for him (not that he needs it, I'm sure).

HustlaOfLagos:
At least, at the end of the day, those countries don't desperately try to restrict their immigrants to be bottom feeders and accuse them of being the cause of their woes ever market day. They also are not delulu and do not pretend to still be in 1847 while accusing countries that are way past them of being a threat to them

Those in Canada and those countries you mentioned are assured of their stay and do not spend the equivalent of a house deposit on COS costs

But what has the above got to do with China and EVs?

By the way, remember when CA publicly accused India of nefarious activities on CA soil despite India being arguably "way past them"? Just because another country has greater technological advancements doesn't mean you don't call them out when appropriate.

Zahra29:
Genuine question, (and I come in peace )...

Why has similar support not been given to Wandering child/Chukwuka? He has written several posts trying to encourage fellow immigrants to aim higher and has shared his own successes/experiences to highlight what's possible especially if people work together as a community. He comes across as highly intelligent, but also humble. In response he's been criticised, laughed at ( "Aspire to Maguire" or something like that) and recently been accused of being "far removed from reality" and I don't recall anyone standing up for him (not that he needs it, I'm sure).

Goke has made his alliance known long time ago. Even if Jedi is not here Goke will assume the role of his PA. Hence why I just read his post and move on. I’m sure he is in his DM asking for favours on how to relocate to CA which is not a bad thing. But that made him irrational and bias.

lavida001:
Goke has made his alliance known long time ago. Even if Jedi is not here Goke will assume the role of his PA. Hence why I just read his post and move on. I’m sure he is in his DM asking for favours on how to relocate to CA which is not a bad thing. But that made him irrational and bias.

So this is really who you are? Doing cheap blackmail like Mtn (everywhere you go) 😂