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immaculatesense:
Quote just ONE place or verse where the Bible mentioned "GAMBLING" specifically as a SIN. Abi was there no gambling in the scriptural days? Why was it not mentioned specifically like other sins in Romans 1 and Galatians 5 or Revelations 20? Oya answer.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

If stealing is condemned then you cannot practice gambling exactly how you cannot practice polygamy without being guilty of adultery. That is the snare God has laid

MaxInDHouse:
If you're into gambling go and ask your pastor and do whatever he or she told you to do. I'm here for the OP and we've both concluded on what he asked!🙂

Here's all i needed from him:

So, it is my pastor that will tell me what to do and not the scriptures? Are you kidding?
The Bible is the rule book. Whatever it condemn is condemned and whatever it is silent about is just you opinion, it doesn't hold water. The Bible never mentioned GAMBLING or FOREX or STOCK market as sin. Who am I to condemn what d Lord has not just based on my view?

Dtruthspeaker:
If stealing is condemned then you cannot practice gambling exactly how you cannot practice polygamy without being guilty of adultery. That is the snare God has laid

How is gambling stealing? Can something be called stealing with the person's permission and agreement?
Is FOREX trading also stealing? Since some win and some lose. Is Stock market stealing since some lose and some win? Is business stealing since some run at a loss and some make profit. Do you know the definition of stealing?

immaculatesense:
So, it is my pastor that will tell me what to do and not the scriptures? Are you kidding?
The Bible is the rule book. Whatever it condemn is condemned and whatever it is silent about is just you opinion, it doesn't hold water. The Bible never mentioned GAMBLING or FOREX or STOCK market as sin. Who am I to condemn what d Lord has not just based on my view?

If that's how Jesus established his group he won't say to them:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19-20

First century disciples of Christ won't be fully obedient to whatever the Apostles teach them {Act 2:42} Paul won't tell his fellow Christians to be obedient to those taking the lead in the congregations {Hebrews 13:7, 17} God won't use His holy spirit to select TEACHERS among the Christians {Ephesians 4:11} they won't even have the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} just as Jesus prayed fervently them! John 17:22

So if you don't believe in conventional adherence to rules set by those chosen to lead Jesus' disciples you go binding and loosen whatever your mind permits! Matthew 16:19

The OP has asked and i've told him what true Christians believe so you can choose whatever you wish!🙂

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have moved post to "show up"; a show up He has already Said He would do, so you really do not have any reasonable thing to say, so go and rob, gamble, adulterate, it is you who answers for the offences

see something with you holier than thou bah you always deflect Omo make una dey inside

freakyavia:
see something with you holier than thou bah you always deflect Omo make una dey inside

Na you change post, yet you dey accuse me of deflecting, e no work na.

And this topic is about holiness/doing the right thing and so, I will say that which is right and confirm the holy thing

immaculatesense:
How is gambling stealing? Can something be called stealing with the person's permission and agreement?
Is FOREX trading also stealing? Since some win and some lose. Is Stock market stealing since some lose and some win? Is business stealing since some run at a loss and some make profit. Do you know the definition of stealing?

The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

Adakintroy:
It's disturb your heart and bring needless pressure it is. Plus it's is drawn from our instinct of greed. Get rich fast. Every other nature requires patience to maturation.

Sin is that which gives the heart unrest. If you a tailor at one point you reach perfection. You recreate your craft over and over in a steady state and money comes. It's all about reaching stability. With gambling you never ever stable. Ever. You can play same game yesterday today with different complete outcome you can't plan the future with gambling it's too uncertain.


Plus you can start stealing from people around you and run into needles debt. Stop gambling. Don't mature with it. It will disrupt you finance. Be contented with what you have and plan. Slowly but surely you will get there. God is on your side

U did perfect hit to it,he who has ears should hear it....1000likes for you.

Dtruthspeaker:
The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

Tell me whose money I am stealing if I placed my bet on Manchester United to win today? Tell me whose money I am stealing. Or was it the money if the person that stake on Crystal palace to win or the person that staked on Draw? How is different from when I put my money in forex for dollar to rise and someone else is on naira to rise, one of them must lose na. Tell me the difference Oga.

Let's stay with what the scriptures says alone.and not opinions. That will save us from all this unnecessary back and forth.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

MaxInDHouse:
If that's how Jesus established his group he won't say to them:

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you." Matthew 28:19-20

First century disciples of Christ won't be fully obedient to whatever the Apostles teach them {Act 2:42} Paul won't tell his fellow Christians to be obedient to those taking the lead in the congregations {Hebrews 13:7, 17} God won't use His holy spirit to select TEACHERS among the Christians {Ephesians 4:11} they won't even have the same line of thought {1Corinthans 1:10} just as Jesus prayed fervently them! John 17:22

So if you don't believe in conventional adherence to rules set by those chosen to lead Jesus' disciples you go binding and loosen whatever your mind permits! Matthew 16:19

The OP has asked and i've told him what true Christians believe so you can choose whatever you wish!🙂

So, what is conventional obedience outside the scriptures? What the scriptures says is what I say, what the scriptures is silent about, I am silent likewise. All this additionals are baseless.
So, if your earthly Shepherd says anything outside scriptures, you will follow him blindly because according to use Jesus want us to be obedient to them right?
Gambling is not a sin, so as forex, stock, buying and selling to make profit among others.
The writers of the scriptures are not all daft or forgetful na, I am sure gambling was rampant then, for them to omit it among all other things shows that none of them had anything against it.
If you have anything to the contrary, show the Bible verse where it was SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.

My position is that if you don't gamble, you shouldn't do insurance, because it's the same principle - paying the lucky one from a pool of unlucky ones.

Dtruthspeaker:
The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

Gambling is not stealing. Gamblers don't go to prison for gambling, thieves do.

immaculatesense:
Tell me whose money I am stealing if I placed my bet on Manchester United to win today?

If you put ₦1k in the your box, do you get ₦100k? No.
So, if you bet putting down ₦1k that Man U. will win, and they win, is it not somebody's (Betnaija's) ₦99k that you have taken if they give you ₦₦100k?

And if they don't give you the money, is it not thief and scam you called them?

https://www.nairaland.com/6520964/bet9ja-scamming-me-win-2210150#101058091

They even returned this man's true money
https://www.nairaland.com/5549266/it-seems-been-scammed-bet9ja#84364166

Dtruthspeaker:
The normal gambling is the one someone brings his own money which is built on a plan of taking another person's money,. Is that not stealing as he is trying to take what does not belong to him.

Then he lays his own money as a trap to get any greedy person (another thief) to come and try take his money...

Is forex not like MMM? where you give your real money and they give you unreal nothing on the promise of doubling the nothing (ehen I remember the old story we read of the money doubler) and returning it to you. And a lot of your real money is gone (stolen) just like MMM.

The only difference is that this forex MMM is one organized and maintained by govt. But anytime govt wishes to disappear it, like nitel, their is nothing you can do

What are you saying?
So, if I approach you now that you should come and buy land and I duped you, does that mean that buying of land is bad because someone duped you?
MMM came with bad motive just like CBEX and some people fell victim. But does that mean that the legally approved ones that has helped people's investments are bad because some their are some evil people in the system?
So, if some people go to church and a pastor dupe them, does that mean going to church is now bad because there are some bad eggs?
THINK NOW.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

Oo0Oo0Oo0:
Gambling is not stealing. Gamblers don't go to prison for gambling, thieves do.

Is it not because your govts do not want to put them in prison because they were settled by the gamblers?

Why do you think gambling is govt regulated?

You are probably waiting for the govt that would leave yahoo yahoo boys alone for you to real eyes it like the Venezuelan president to drug cartels according to Trump

Maryiah:
Is it paining you?
See mouth like dz pics

Hahahahaha.

Na wetin I de use suck your obouggh

Dtruthspeaker:
If you put ₦1k in the your box, do you get ₦100k? No.
So, if you bet putting down ₦1k that Man U. will win, and they win, is it not somebody's (Betnaija's) ₦99k that you have taken if they give you ₦₦100k?

And if they don't give you the money, is it not thief and scam you called them?

https://www.nairaland.com/6520964/bet9ja-scamming-me-win-2210150#101058091

They even returned this man's true money
https://www.nairaland.com/5549266/it-seems-been-scammed-bet9ja#84364166

So, if I invest in Palm oil now and another invest in garri and the price of palm oil rises and the price of garri dropped like it is currently. So, if people are buying my palm oil at a high price and the garri selling is running at a loss, does that mean I am robbing her because people pay me more?

So, If I sell my palm oil to someone who refuses to pay me, and I called the person a scammer, does that mean that the whole business is a scam and sin because a scammer refuses to pay me?

Make it make sense. The Bible is our constitution, point to it or else it is just ur opinion. SIMPLE.

miracle002:
The Bible does not specifically condemn games of chance, gambling, betting, or the lottery. The Bible does warn us, however, against the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). Wisdom avoids short cuts to prosperity: “Wealth from get-rich-quick schemes quickly disappears; wealth from hard work grows over time” (Proverbs 13:11, NLT). We are to work hard and earn a living (2 Thessalonians 3:10; Proverbs 14:23). Most gambling is motivated by a love of money. People place bets with the hope of quick and easy riches. Materialism is at the root of gambling.

The Bible mentions events of “luck” or “chance” in contexts other than gambling or betting. For example, casting lots was God’s prescribed method of choosing between the sacrificial goat and the scapegoat (Leviticus 16:. Joshua cast lots to determine the allotment of land to the various tribes, and the results were accepted as God’s will (Joshua 18:10). Nehemiah cast lots to determine who would live inside the walls of Jerusalem (Nehemiah 11:1). The apostles cast lots to determine the replacement for Judas (Acts 1:26). Each of these occasions proved the truth of Proverbs 16:33, which says, “The lot is cast in the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.” None of these instances of casting lots have to do with betting or the transfer of goods. The apostles’ casting lots in Acts 1 is no justification for playing craps in Vegas.

One infamous scene of gambling occurred at the foot of Jesus’ cross. Scripture makes note of the Roman soldiers’ callous game of chance: “After they had nailed him to the cross, the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice” (Matthew 27:35, NLT). This was materialism at its most brazen—they occupied themselves with a little piece of this world as they turned their backs on the one who offered them heaven.

Gambling, by nature, takes advantage of the misfortune of others. In order for one person to win, someone else—usually multiple others—must lose. For a Christian to risk money in the off chance that he will gain even more is foolish. But to actively seek financial benefit from someone else’s loss is beyond foolish; it is unethical.

Casinos use all sorts of marketing schemes to entice gamblers to risk as much money as possible. They often offer inexpensive or even free alcohol, which encourages drunkenness—and a decreased ability to make good decisions. Everything in a casino is designed to appeal to materialistic desires. Even in those games that require a certain amount of skill and do not rely solely on luck, the gambler is seeking to benefit from the misfortune of others and playing into a rigged system. The aim of a casino is to take money in large sums and give little in return.

Sports betting is becoming more popular—and more accessible—by the day. Some argue in its defense, saying that sports betting is harmless entertainment. Some say that betting on a team, especially if it’s a fantasy team, requires some research and skill to be successful. Critics point out that gambling of any kind can lead to addiction. According to the National Council on Problem Gambling, about 5 million Americans can be classified as compulsive gamblers (www.addictionhelp.com/gambling/statistics, accessed 5/20/25). And critics point out that sports betting can easily harm the integrity of the sport in question, when players are bribed to shave points or throw a game. So, there are several ethical and moral concerns with sports betting.

State and national lotteries are another form of gambling. Lotteries tempt people with the possibility of quick riches and are marketed as a way to fund education and/or social programs. However, it seems that those the lottery is supposed to help are actually being hurt. A recent study showed that U.S. households in the lowest income bracket spend 13 percent of their annual household income on lottery tickets; in contrast, the highest earners spend just 1 percent of their income on the lottery (Bankrate survey, October 2019). So, those who can least afford to spend money on lottery tickets are often the ones buying them. With the chances of winning the lottery being infinitesimal, the whole system preys upon the poor.

First Timothy 6:10 provides wisdom that directly relates to gambling: “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” Greed is equated with idolatry in Colossians 3:5. Those who gamble cannot follow the admonition of Hebrews 13:5: “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have.” Serving God and serving money are incompatible (Matthew 6:24).

Does the Bible forbid a friendly wager between two players going head-to-head on a tennis court? What about paying a dime into the kitty for a bingo card? Entering a raffle? Filling out a March Madness bracket in the office pool? The answer is, no, the Bible does not explicitly forbid these things. When it comes to betting of any kind, followers of Jesus should use discernment in examining their motives, their testimony, and their responsibility to steward their resources wisely.

Gambling is motivated by greed, and the Bible is against greediness. All this long sermon still returns to that.

immaculatesense:
So, what is conventional obedience outside the scriptures?

First of all the scriptures was written by men who were inspired by holy spirit as God used them to pen down His words! 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21

The understanding of God's word wasn't and will not be given to everyone {Matthew 11:25} that's why few were chosen/selected to TEACH others {Matthew 28:20} while the scriptures is opened for everyone it's understanding is hidden from faithless people {Daniel 12:10} the chosen must add meaning to what is read {Nehemiah 8:8} by the time humble and faithful people throughout the world becomes obedient to what the chosen and the holy spirit concluded upon after they search the scriptures {Act 15:28-29} that's how Christianity works for oneness in thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8

This is why Jesus said it's by their fruits you will know those chosen to lead God's organized people {Matthew 7:15-20} meanwhile only those who becomes obedient to the chosen will have eternal life {Matthew 5:5; Zephaniah 2:2-3} that is why it's important for you to know the fruit first because whether you like it or not you can't see everything in the scriptures before obeying those chosen {1Corinthans 13:7} most times it's what results from their teachings that you need! Matthew 7:16-18

If you are waiting for everything to be written black and white then you wouldn't have accepted Jesus who said so many things that wasn't found written in the scriptures during his days on earth!

immaculatesense:
What are you saying?
So, if I approach you now that you should come and buy land and I duped you, does that mean that buying of land is bad because someone duped you?
MMM came with bad motive just like CBEX and some people fell victim. But does that mean that the legally approved ones that has helped people's investments are bad because some their are some evil people in the system?
So, if some people go to church and a pastor dupe them, does that mean going to church is now bad because there are some bad eggs?
THINK NOW.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

You used the word "buy" where you were acting as an a fraudulent agent. Which is why money does not leave us until we meet the owner of the land.

Same thing as going to pastor of babalawos for healing and all those sheets.

And this one is not gambling but fulliishmess as people have said

In MMM, CBex, nospetco, silvertrust, are the true gambling where you willingly and in your bid to steal another person's money, you willingly gave out your money to money doublers and they ran away with it.

Leaving you to call them thieves and scammers as you pretend to forget that you yourself were trying also to steal by taking what does not belong to you

And that is why people has also said that people who put their monies there are also thieves

So gambling is a meeting of thieves where thief gambler is planning on stealing thief customer's money. And thief customer wanted to steal thief gambler's money

Dtruthspeaker:
Is it not because your govts do not want to put them in prison because they were settled by the gamblers?

Why do you think gambling is govt regulated?

You are probably waiting for the govt that would leave yahoo yahoo boys alone for you to real eyes it like the Venezuelan president to drug cartels according to Trump

In Nigeria, gambling is not illegal as long as you're 18+

Dtruthspeaker:
You used the word "buy" where you were acting as an a fraudulent agent. Which is why money does not leave us until we meet the owner of the land.

Same thing as going to pastor of babalawos for healing and all those sheets.

And this one is not gambling but fulliishmess as people have said

In MMM, CBex, nospetco, silvertrust, are the true gambling where you willingly and in your bid to steal another person's money, you willingly gave out your money to money doublers and they ran away with it.

Leaving you to call them thieves and scammers as you pretend to forget that you yourself were trying also to steal by taking what does not belong to you

And that is why people has also said that people who put their monies there are also thieves

So gambling is a meeting of thieves where thief gambler is planning on stealing thief customer's money. And thief customer wanted to steal thief gambler's money

You are just beating about the bush.
So, the summary of what you are saying is that the Forex and Stock market is a sin.
Although that is your view which is wrong.

Now I understand why the scriptures is so perfect by not making things controversial; it took time to least out sins that believers should run away from. And Gambling which includes Sport betting, forex, Stock market and other investments are not there.

The question is: Will you go and fight God or will you do the addition yourself?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all the scriptures was written by men who were inspired by holy spirit as God used them to pen down His words! 2Timothy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21

The understanding of God's word wasn't and will not be given to everyone {Matthew 11:25} that's why few were chosen/selected to TEACH others {Matthew 28:20} while the scriptures is opened for everyone it's understanding is hidden from faithless people {Daniel 12:10} the chosen must add meaning to what is read {Nehemiah 8:8} by the time humble and faithful people throughout the world becomes obedient to what the chosen and the holy spirit concluded upon after they search the scriptures {Act 15:28-29} that's how Christianity works for oneness in thought! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8

This is why Jesus said it's by their fruits you will know those chosen to lead God's organized people {Matthew 7:15-20} meanwhile only those who becomes obedient to the chosen will have eternal life {Matthew 5:5; Zephaniah 2:2-3} that is why it's important for you to know the fruit first because whether you like it or not you can't see everything in the scriptures before obeying those chosen {1Corinthans 13:7} most times it's what results from their teachings that you need! Matthew 7:16-18

If you are waiting for everything to be written black and white then you wouldn't have accepted Jesus who said so many things that wasn't found written in the scriptures during his days on earth!

All wat you said make no sense because the scriptures is our constitution and it is rigid and cannot be amended. The final amendment (which is the new testament) made by the spirit of God is perfect.
Tell me just one thing that is not in the scriptures that you will like us to add.
You said what just said that is not in the scriptures, it is not true. What the scriptures say is the miracles of Jesus can not fully be captured in writing. All the important things Jesus said and taught and all the important things that his disciples did and taught were captured. The scriptures is in itself complete in necessity.
Let me say this again.
The scriptures has taught us all that we need to do and all that we need to run away from and gambling/forex/stock market is not one of them.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD IT. ABI.

No Be Juju Be Dat?

immaculatesense:
You are just beating about the bush.
So, the summary of what you are saying is that the Forex and Stock market is a sin.
Although that is your view which is wrong.

Now I understand why the scriptures is so perfect by not making things controversial; it took time to least out sins that believers should run away from. And Gambling which includes Sport betting, forex, Stock market and other investments are not there.

The question is: Will you go and fight God or will you do the addition yourself?

I clearly said that the forex and stock market is a place of fraud and the scam of money doubling which is all stealing, and you yourself could not deny or counter it.

I showed how gambling sits on stealing and is based on stealiing and again you can not counter or deny it.

So, the topic on hand is settled in the absence of any reasonable objection to the points raised.

immaculatesense:
You said what Jesus said that is not in the scriptures

I will tell you several things Jesus taught that's totally different from what is found written in the scriptures before his time.

Jesus said his disciples should love their enemies something that was never found written in the scriptures and all the prophets before then taught them to hate their enemies! Matthew 5:43-44

Jesus told his disciples to store treasure in heaven whereas no scripture or any of the prophets before him said people should store their treasures in heaven! Matthew 6:19-21

Jesus told his disciples that he is going to prepare a place for them in heaven {John 14:2-3} there is nowhere in the scriptures that says people will go to heaven before his time. Psalms 115:16

Jesus told his listeners they must eat his flesh and drink his blood something that no Israelite prophet ever told them neither was such found written in their scriptures about God's loyal servants! John 6:61-65

Jesus said Elijah has come in person of John the baptist {Matthew 11:11-14} but the name WRITTEN in the scriptures was ELIJAH not John! Malachi 4:5


Please quote where any of these things Jesus is saying were written in the Old Testament that's available before Jesus' times.

Oo0Oo0Oo0:
In Nigeria, gambling is not illegal as long as you're 18+

You need your govts permission (license) before you can set up a gambling thing, so that tells you that it is illegal.

Does anyone need the Bible to know gambling is wrong?

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry we are talking to BELIEVERS in the word so you are excluded!😟

We are saying the same thing now, you are not a believer that's why are worshipping a human being like you. Show me one verse in the bible where Christ said "Iam God, worship me"

MemoriesAndMe:
Does anyone need the Bible to know gambling is wrong?

YES!
There are people who don't know God's laws but their conscience is working {Romans 2:14-15} such individuals will tell you that staking ₦10 to collect ₦100 is robbing Peter to pay Paul so they won't be a part of such system.

But when someone claims he believes in the Bible God yet expecting God to tell him something conscientious unbelievers knew without God's laws it's like mocking faith in true God!