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RightChanneI:
Did you agree with me that it is written in quran to fight till Islam is the ONLY religion?

Bring your proof from genuine source where you read all you said about crusaders from

And show us one single positive thing Islam did for Nigeria

Where?

The Qur’an does NOT command fighting until Islam is the only religion.


The Crusades were openly religious wars even admitted by Christian historians.

Steven Runciman – A History of the Crusades

Jonathan Riley-Smith – The Crusades: A History

Pope Urban II’s speech (Council of Clermont, 1095) recorded in medieval Christian chronicles like Fulcher of Chartres

And Islam did bring education, law, trade, and literacy to parts of Nigeria long before colonialism.

The advent of Islam had a profound impact on the development of education in the region that is now Nigeria, primarily through the introduction of Islamic scholarship and the establishment of Quranic schools. These schools, often attached to mosques, became centers for learning, focusing on the memorization of the Quran, Arabic language, Islamic law, theology, and sometimes mathematics and astronomy.

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1382/the-spread-of-islam-in-ancient-africa/

https://www.britannica.com/place/West-Africa/Islam#ref235677

https://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e0066

honesttalk21:
Is this the best you can do?

Islam is not Religion of Peace .

The World without Taqquiya,Jihad , Terrorism would have been better .

honesttalk21:
Where?

The Qur’an does NOT command fighting until Islam is the only religion.


The Crusades were openly religious wars even admitted by Christian historians.

Steven Runciman – A History of the Crusades

Jonathan Riley-Smith – The Crusades: A History

Pope Urban II’s speech (Council of Clermont, 1095) recorded in medieval Christian chronicles like Fulcher of Chartres

And Islam did bring education, law, trade, and literacy to parts of Nigeria long before colonialism.

The advent of Islam had a profound impact on the development of education in the region that is now Nigeria, primarily through the introduction of Islamic scholarship and the establishment of Quranic schools. These schools, often attached to mosques, became centers for learning, focusing on the memorization of the Quran, Arabic language, Islamic law, theology, and sometimes mathematics and astronomy.

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1382/the-spread-of-islam-in-ancient-africa/

https://www.britannica.com/place/West-Africa/Islam#ref235677

https://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e0066

Why was your Muhammad Attacking traders then take there Goods .

honesttalk21:
Where?

The Qur’an does NOT command fighting until Islam is the only religion.


The Crusades were openly religious wars even admitted by Christian historians.

Steven Runciman – A History of the Crusades

Jonathan Riley-Smith – The Crusades: A History

Pope Urban II’s speech (Council of Clermont, 1095) recorded in medieval Christian chronicles like Fulcher of Chartres

And Islam did bring education, law, trade, and literacy to parts of Nigeria long before colonialism.

The advent of Islam had a profound impact on the development of education in the region that is now Nigeria, primarily through the introduction of Islamic scholarship and the establishment of Quranic schools. These schools, often attached to mosques, became centers for learning, focusing on the memorization of the Quran, Arabic language, Islamic law, theology, and sometimes mathematics and astronomy.

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1382/the-spread-of-islam-in-ancient-africa/

https://www.britannica.com/place/West-Africa/Islam#ref235677

https://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e0066

So you didn't know such a verse exist inside quran to fight people until they accept Islam?

Quran 8:39 Abdul Hye

And (O believers) fight them until there is no more mischief and the religion (Islam) is established completely for Allah alone. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then surely, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

Is the above verse not inside your own version of quran??

I said bring your proof from genuine source where you read all you said about crusaders from, till now you haven't see a genuine link an source!

Guy, can you name just ONE single thing Islam did positively for Nigeria? I am not asking for how Islam spread in Africa 🌍

RightChanneI:
So you didn't know such a verse exist inside quran to fight people until they accept Islam?

Quran 8:39 Abdul Hye

And (O believers) fight them until there is no more mischief and the religion (Islam) is established completely for Allah alone. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then surely, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

Is the above verse not inside your own version of quran??

I said bring your proof from genuine source where you read all you said about crusaders from, till now you haven't see a genuine link an source!

Guy, can you name just ONE single thing Islam did positively for Nigeria? I am not asking for how Islam spread in Africa 🌍

The verse from the Qur’an, 8:39, is indeed real, but you have it misquoted. It doesn’t advocate for forced convertion. In fact, there are clear verses that contradict that notion, such as there is no compulsion in religion (Qur’an 2:256) and If they incline to peace, incline to it (Qur’an 8:61).

Qur’an 8:39 does not mean kill people until they become Muslim or tell me what use being a Muslim is to one who is already dead.
The verse was revealed in the war context of battle of Badr and ongoing persecution in Makkah where Muslims were being tortured, killed, and expelled from their homes. The word translated as mischief is fitnah, which means violent persecution and oppression, not disbelief.

Regarding the Crusades, didn't you explore the references I provided? They are well-documented events in history, noted by both Christian and secular historians. For instance, Pope Urban II’s sermon at Clermont in 1095 is preserved in medieval Christian texts and is settled verifiable history not propaganda.

When it comes to Nigeria, Islam has had several positive influences, including the development of Ajami literacy systems, Qur’anic education, trade connections across the Sahara, welfare through zakat, and the establishment of early legal and ethical scholarship in Hausa–Kanuri communities. Please disprove these or show clearly how these were not immediately and later beneficial to the region now known as Nigeria.

If you assert that the Qur’an promotes terrorism, please provide a specific verse that instructs the killing of civilians, rather than one that’s been taken out of its historical context.

honesttalk21:
The verse from the Qur’an, 8:39, is indeed real, but you have it misquoted. It doesn’t advocate for forced convertion. In fact, there are clear verses that contradict that notion, such as there is no compulsion in religion (Qur’an 2:256) and If they incline to peace, incline to it (Qur’an 8:61).

Qur’an 8:39 does not mean kill people until they become Muslim or tell me what use being a Muslim is to one who is already dead.
The verse was revealed in the war context of battle of Badr and ongoing persecution in Makkah where Muslims were being tortured, killed, and expelled from their homes. The word translated as mischief is fitnah, which means violent persecution and oppression, not disbelief.

Regarding the Crusades, didn't you explore the references I provided? They are well-documented events in history, noted by both Christian and secular historians. For instance, Pope Urban II’s sermon at Clermont in 1095 is preserved in medieval Christian texts and is settled verifiable history not propaganda.

When it comes to Nigeria, Islam has had several positive influences, including the development of Ajami literacy systems, Qur’anic education, trade connections across the Sahara, welfare through zakat, and the establishment of early legal and ethical scholarship in Hausa–Kanuri communities. Please disprove these or show clearly how these were not immediately and later beneficial to the region now known as Nigeria.

If you assert that the Qur’an promotes terrorism, please provide a specific verse that instructs the killing of civilians, rather than one that’s been taken out of its historical context.

Thank you for letting us know that quran verses contradicts itself meanwhile there are also many verses that says you should klll for not accepting Islam


Quran 9:5 Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali

So, when the prohibiting months are drawn away, (Literally: stripped away) then kill the associators wherever you find them, and take them, and detain them, and sit (in wait) for them at every place of observation (i.e., ambush). But, in case they repent, and keep up the prayer, and bring the Zakat, (i.e., pay the obligatory poor-dues) then let them go their way; (Literally: pass on their way) surely Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful.

All you said about crusaders has no genuine source right?

Tell us one major thing Islam did for Nigeria, you are showing how Islam was spread, is that what I asked you to do and more so the links you dropped can't be accessed!


https://www.britannica.com/place/West-Africa/Islam#ref235677


https://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e0066

I won't let you glorify taqqiya here, never!

RightChanneI:
Thank you for letting us know that quran verses contradicts itself meanwhile there are also many verses that says you should klll for not accepting Islam


Quran 9:5 Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali

So, when the prohibiting months are drawn away, (Literally: stripped away) then kill the associators wherever you find them, and take them, and detain them, and sit (in wait) for them at every place of observation (i.e., ambush). But, in case they repent, and keep up the prayer, and bring the Zakat, (i.e., pay the obligatory poor-dues) then let them go their way; (Literally: pass on their way) surely Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Ever-Merciful.

All you said about crusaders has no genuine source right?

Tell us one major thing Islam did for Nigeria, you are showing how Islam was spread, is that what I asked you to do and more so the links you dropped can't be accessed!


https://www.britannica.com/place/West-Africa/Islam#ref235677


https://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t125/e0066

I won't let you glorify taqqiya here, never!

Just as was displayed with Quran 8:39, the verse Qur’an 9:5 is misquoted and misunderstood and taken out of context. It was also revealed during a specific historical and military situation, aimed at armed pagans who had repeatedly broken treaties and attacked Muslims. It doesn’t give anyone the green light to kill civilians or force conversions. In fact, the same verse mentions that if they repent, pray, and pay zakat, they should be left alone. This clearly shows that the goal was to end persecution and promote peace, rather than spreading Islam through violence. Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali, highlights that this verse pertains to defensive warfare, not unprovoked aggression.

When it comes to the Crusades, there’s a wealth of verifiable sources. For instance, Pope Urban II’s speech at Clermont in 1095 is well-documented in medieval chronicles, including those by Fulcher of Chartres.

Historians like Steven Runciman and Jonathan Riley-Smith have thoroughly recorded these campaigns as wars sanctioned by religion, targeting Muslims, Jews, and heretical Christians, rather than being mere secular conflicts.

As for Nigeria, the impact of Islam is both well-documented and evident:

The introduction of Ajami script allowed local languages to be written using Arabic letters.

There’s been a significant spread of Qur’anic education and literacy.

Trans-Saharan trade networks were established, connecting West Africa to the wider Muslim world.

Zakat was implemented, leading to the creation of early organized social welfare systems.

Legal and ethical scholarship developed, which helped shape governance and jurisprudence in Hausa–Kanuri societies.

These contributions are historical realities, not glorification. Understanding context, history, and scholarship is far more important than relying on selective quotes or obscure links.

Links break because websites get redesigned, pages are moved or deleted, academic sites lock content behind paywalls, and URL systems change over time. A broken link does not mean the history is false it just means the website structure changed. You were unable to visit the last 2 links but say nothing on the first I believe you accessed.

honesttalk21:
Just as was displayed with Quran 8:39, the verse Qur’an 9:5 is misquoted and misunderstood and taken out of context. It was also revealed during a specific historical and military situation, aimed at armed pagans who had repeatedly broken treaties and attacked Muslims. It doesn’t give anyone the green light to kill civilians or force conversions. In fact, the same verse mentions that if they repent, pray, and pay zakat, they should be left alone. This clearly shows that the goal was to end persecution and promote peace, rather than spreading Islam through violence. Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali, highlights that this verse pertains to defensive warfare, not unprovoked aggression.

When it comes to the Crusades, there’s a wealth of verifiable sources. For instance, Pope Urban II’s speech at Clermont in 1095 is well-documented in medieval chronicles, including those by Fulcher of Chartres.

Historians like Steven Runciman and Jonathan Riley-Smith have thoroughly recorded these campaigns as wars sanctioned by religion, targeting Muslims, Jews, and heretical Christians, rather than being mere secular conflicts.

As for Nigeria, the impact of Islam is both well-documented and evident:

The introduction of Ajami script allowed local languages to be written using Arabic letters.

There’s been a significant spread of Qur’anic education and literacy.

Trans-Saharan trade networks were established, connecting West Africa to the wider Muslim world.

Zakat was implemented, leading to the creation of early organized social welfare systems.

Legal and ethical scholarship developed, which helped shape governance and jurisprudence in Hausa–Kanuri societies.

These contributions are historical realities, not glorification. Understanding context, history, and scholarship is far more important than relying on selective quotes or obscure links.

Links break because websites get redesigned, pages are moved or deleted, academic sites lock content behind paywalls, and URL systems change over time. A broken link does not mean the history is false it just means the website structure changed. You were unable to visit the last 2 links but say nothing on the first I believe you accessed.

Islam is Religion of War .

Akir2025:
Islam is Religion of War .

Who did they kill among your relatives?

AntiChristian:
Who did they kill among your relatives?

Islam is a Religion War .If the ones they Killed Among Your Relatives doesn't Pains You ,It's not Everyone that is Heartless that waits before they kill someone among His relatives before He Voices Out .. Deborah and that Teacher Beheaded are Human Beings and Nigerian

honesttalk21:
Just as was displayed with Quran 8:39, the verse Qur’an 9:5 is misquoted and misunderstood and taken out of context. It was also revealed during a specific historical and military situation, aimed at armed pagans who had repeatedly broken treaties and attacked Muslims. It doesn’t give anyone the green light to kill civilians or force conversions. In fact, the same verse mentions that if they repent, pray, and pay zakat, they should be left alone. This clearly shows that the goal was to end persecution and promote peace, rather than spreading Islam through violence. Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali, highlights that this verse pertains to defensive warfare, not unprovoked aggression.

When it comes to the Crusades, there’s a wealth of verifiable sources. For instance, Pope Urban II’s speech at Clermont in 1095 is well-documented in medieval chronicles, including those by Fulcher of Chartres.

Historians like Steven Runciman and Jonathan Riley-Smith have thoroughly recorded these campaigns as wars sanctioned by religion, targeting Muslims, Jews, and heretical Christians, rather than being mere secular conflicts.

As for Nigeria, the impact of Islam is both well-documented and evident:

The introduction of Ajami script allowed local languages to be written using Arabic letters.

There’s been a significant spread of Qur’anic education and literacy.

Trans-Saharan trade networks were established, connecting West Africa to the wider Muslim world.

Zakat was implemented, leading to the creation of early organized social welfare systems.

Legal and ethical scholarship developed, which helped shape governance and jurisprudence in Hausa–Kanuri societies.

These contributions are historical realities, not glorification. Understanding context, history, and scholarship is far more important than relying on selective quotes or obscure links.

Links break because websites get redesigned, pages are moved or deleted, academic sites lock content behind paywalls, and URL systems change over time. A broken link does not mean the history is false it just means the website structure changed. You were unable to visit the last 2 links but say nothing on the first I believe you accessed.

Can you tell us the specific and historical situation quran 9:5 was based on, where you read it from, I would like to check those fighting with your prophet!

Bring proof from genuine source(s) of all you said about crusaders, you are dropping unaccessible links, you can see clearly that you are a great taqqiya master that deserves an award?

Show me ONE single thing Islam did for Nigeria not for you Muslims but for Nigeria as a whole, you are telling me the introduction of written local language in Arabic, is Arabic your official language in Nigeria? Did you want to tell me that as Muslims you have never benefited from western schools, hospitals, technology, etc westerners brought to Nigeria?

Links break because websites get redesigned, pages are moved or deleted, academic sites lock content behind paywalls, and URL systems change over time.


So it was after you visited those links that they got broken right? 😂 Guy, your own taqqiya is legendary!

RightChanneI:
Can you tell us the specific and historical situation quran 9:5 was based on, where you read it from, I would like to check those fighting with your prophet!

Bring proof from genuine source(s) of all you said about crusaders, you are dropping unaccessible links, you can see clearly that you are a great taqqiya master that deserves an award?

Show me ONE single thing Islam did for Nigeria not for you Muslims but for Nigeria as a whole, you are telling me the introduction of written local language in Arabic, is Arabic your official language in Nigeria? Did you want to tell me that as Muslims you have never benefited from western schools, hospitals, technology, etc westerners brought to Nigeria?

Links break because websites get redesigned, pages are moved or deleted, academic sites lock content behind paywalls, and URL systems change over time.


So it was after you visited those links that they got broken right? 😂 Guy, your own taqqiya is legendary!

The context of Qur’an 9:5 isn’t just a matter of speculation; it’s one of the most well-documented events in the life of the Prophet, recognized by both Muslim and Western scholars alike. Following the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah in 628 CE, tribes allied with Quraysh launched a night raid on the Muslim-aligned Banu Khuza‘ah, resulting in several deaths and a clear breach of the peace agreement. Quraysh backed these attackers. This incident is detailed in works like Ibn Hisham’s Sirah, al-Tabari, and Ibn Kathir, and it’s also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari. Notable Western historians such as Fred Donner, W. Montgomery Watt, and Patricia Crone have also examined it. Qur’an 9:5 was revealed after a four-month warning specifically aimed at these treaty violators, rather than being a blanket directive against all non-Muslims. This understanding is widely accepted in mainstream scholarship. Perharps you want to show and most unlikely prove otherwise?

The same goes for the Crusade. My claims are based on credible sources, not obscure websites. We have firsthand Christian accounts like those of Fulcher of Chartres and the Gesta Francorum, along with significant academic contributions from Steven Runciman, Thomas Asbridge, Jonathan Riley-Smith, and Christopher Tyerman published by reputable institutions like Cambridge, Yale, and Oxford. If citing well-respected historians is dismissed as taqiyya, then that term has truly lost its meaning particularly to you who often misquotes and use it. What you should do is show these authors and their writings say otherwise.

When it comes to Islam’s influence on Nigeria, the historical evidence is just as compelling. Islam brought Ajami literacy (Hausa, Kanuri, Fulfulde written in Arabic script), which facilitated administration, medicine, poetry, law, and record-keeping long before Europeans established schools. Scholars like Murray Last, John Hunwick, and Beverly Mack, along with Nigerian historians, have documented this in detail. Islam played a crucial role in shaping the governance of Kanem-Bornu, the Hausa states, and the Sokoto Caliphate; it expanded trans-Saharan trade routes linking the region to North Africa and beyond; and it laid the groundwork for the earliest widespread education system (makarantun allo). These contributions are significant for Nigeria as a whole, not just for the Muslim community.

honesttalk21:
The context of Qur’an 9:5 isn’t just a matter of speculation; it’s one of the most well-documented events in the life of the Prophet, recognized by both Muslim and Western scholars alike. Following the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah in 628 CE, tribes allied with Quraysh launched a night raid on the Muslim-aligned Banu Khuza‘ah, resulting in several deaths and a clear breach of the peace agreement. Quraysh backed these attackers. This incident is detailed in works like Ibn Hisham’s Sirah, al-Tabari, and Ibn Kathir, and it’s also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari. Notable Western historians such as Fred Donner, W. Montgomery Watt, and Patricia Crone have also examined it. Qur’an 9:5 was revealed after a four-month warning specifically aimed at these treaty violators, rather than being a blanket directive against all non-Muslims. This understanding is widely accepted in mainstream scholarship. Perharps you want to show and most unlikely prove otherwise?

The same goes for the Crusade. My claims are based on credible sources, not obscure websites. We have firsthand Christian accounts like those of Fulcher of Chartres and the Gesta Francorum, along with significant academic contributions from Steven Runciman, Thomas Asbridge, Jonathan Riley-Smith, and Christopher Tyerman published by reputable institutions like Cambridge, Yale, and Oxford. If citing well-respected historians is dismissed as taqiyya, then that term has truly lost its meaning particularly to you who often misquotes and use it. What you should do is show these authors and their writings say otherwise.

When it comes to Islam’s influence on Nigeria, the historical evidence is just as compelling. Islam brought Ajami literacy (Hausa, Kanuri, Fulfulde written in Arabic script), which facilitated administration, medicine, poetry, law, and record-keeping long before Europeans established schools. Scholars like Murray Last, John Hunwick, and Beverly Mack, along with Nigerian historians, have documented this in detail. Islam played a crucial role in shaping the governance of Kanem-Bornu, the Hausa states, and the Sokoto Caliphate; it expanded trans-Saharan trade routes linking the region to North Africa and beyond; and it laid the groundwork for the earliest widespread education system (makarantun allo). These contributions are significant for Nigeria as a whole, not just for the Muslim community.

Save your Energy.Nothing is Peaceful about Islam.

Akir2025:
Islam is a Religion War .If the ones they Killed Among Your Relatives doesn't Pains You ,It's not Everyone that is Heartless that waits before they kill someone among His relatives before He Voices Out .. Deborah and that Teacher Beheaded are Human Beings and Nigerian

So two people were killed? What about the Christian Boko Haram members and terrorists? Note that this happened over ten years ago! So it's not today that Christians are among Boko Haram!

In another report by Nigerian police, a group of Christians were again, caught in another terror plot to blow up Churches. Major Nigerian media outlet, Premium Times Nigeria, had this report to give:

Nine bombers, believed to be christians, were apprehended this morning when they attempted to bomb a COCIN church at Miya Barkate, 20 kilometres along Jos-Bauchi Highway in Bauchi State.

The suspected bombers are Lamba Goma, Filibus Danasa, Joshua Ali, Danjuma Sabo, Joseph Audu, Simon Gabriel, Bulus Haruna, Yohanna Ishaya and Daniel Ayuba (who was the immediate past Secretary of PDP at Tilden Fulani Ward, Toro LGA, Bauchi State).

The suspects are members of the same COCIN church, Unguwar Rimi, a new and small Christian settlement between Tilden Fulani and Shere Hills. The suspects who were thoroughly beaten by the public were rescued by police and then detained at the Toro Divisional Police Division before they were transferred to Bauchi State Police Command, Bauchi.

At about the same time this morning in the Neighbouring Plateau State, a bomb explosion was reported at the headquarters of the same COCIN church during a Sunday service. The number of casualties are not certain. The pastor of the targeted COCIN Church in Bauchi is Ishaya Izam, who recently arrived on posting from the Cocin headquarters in Jos, which was bombed this morning.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/3955-christians-caught-attempting-to-bomb-cocin-church-in-bauchi.html?tztc=1

honesttalk21:
The context of Qur’an 9:5 isn’t just a matter of speculation; it’s one of the most well-documented events in the life of the Prophet, recognized by both Muslim and Western scholars alike. Following the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah in 628 CE, tribes allied with Quraysh launched a night raid on the Muslim-aligned Banu Khuza‘ah, resulting in several deaths and a clear breach of the peace agreement. Quraysh backed these attackers. This incident is detailed in works like Ibn Hisham’s Sirah, al-Tabari, and Ibn Kathir, and it’s also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari. Notable Western historians such as Fred Donner, W. Montgomery Watt, and Patricia Crone have also examined it. Qur’an 9:5 was revealed after a four-month warning specifically aimed at these treaty violators, rather than being a blanket directive against all non-Muslims. This understanding is widely accepted in mainstream scholarship. Perharps you want to show and most unlikely prove otherwise?

The same goes for the Crusade. My claims are based on credible sources, not obscure websites. We have firsthand Christian accounts like those of Fulcher of Chartres and the Gesta Francorum, along with significant academic contributions from Steven Runciman, Thomas Asbridge, Jonathan Riley-Smith, and Christopher Tyerman published by reputable institutions like Cambridge, Yale, and Oxford. If citing well-respected historians is dismissed as taqiyya, then that term has truly lost its meaning particularly to you who often misquotes and use it. What you should do is show these authors and their writings say otherwise.

When it comes to Islam’s influence on Nigeria, the historical evidence is just as compelling. Islam brought Ajami literacy (Hausa, Kanuri, Fulfulde written in Arabic script), which facilitated administration, medicine, poetry, law, and record-keeping long before Europeans established schools. Scholars like Murray Last, John Hunwick, and Beverly Mack, along with Nigerian historians, have documented this in detail. Islam played a crucial role in shaping the governance of Kanem-Bornu, the Hausa states, and the Sokoto Caliphate; it expanded trans-Saharan trade routes linking the region to North Africa and beyond; and it laid the groundwork for the earliest widespread education system (makarantun allo). These contributions are significant for Nigeria as a whole, not just for the Muslim community.

Who are the Quraysh your prophet was fighting with as you said above if not his own people?

Are you saying allah instructed your prophet to klll his own people according to Quran 9:5?

You are doing a great job here by elevating and promoting taqqiya!

honesttalk21:
The context of Qur’an 9:5 isn’t just a matter of speculation; it’s one of the most well-documented events in the life of the Prophet, recognized by both Muslim and Western scholars alike. Following the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah in 628 CE, tribes allied with Quraysh launched a night raid on the Muslim-aligned Banu Khuza‘ah, resulting in several deaths and a clear breach of the peace agreement. Quraysh backed these attackers. This incident is detailed in works like Ibn Hisham’s Sirah, al-Tabari, and Ibn Kathir, and it’s also mentioned in Sahih al-Bukhari. Notable Western historians such as Fred Donner, W. Montgomery Watt, and Patricia Crone have also examined it. Qur’an 9:5 was revealed after a four-month warning specifically aimed at these treaty violators, rather than being a blanket directive against all non-Muslims. This understanding is widely accepted in mainstream scholarship. Perharps you want to show and most unlikely prove otherwise?

The same goes for the Crusade. My claims are based on credible sources, not obscure websites. We have firsthand Christian accounts like those of Fulcher of Chartres and the Gesta Francorum, along with significant academic contributions from Steven Runciman, Thomas Asbridge, Jonathan Riley-Smith, and Christopher Tyerman published by reputable institutions like Cambridge, Yale, and Oxford. If citing well-respected historians is dismissed as taqiyya, then that term has truly lost its meaning particularly to you who often misquotes and use it. What you should do is show these authors and their writings say otherwise.

When it comes to Islam’s influence on Nigeria, the historical evidence is just as compelling. Islam brought Ajami literacy (Hausa, Kanuri, Fulfulde written in Arabic script), which facilitated administration, medicine, poetry, law, and record-keeping long before Europeans established schools. Scholars like Murray Last, John Hunwick, and Beverly Mack, along with Nigerian historians, have documented this in detail. Islam played a crucial role in shaping the governance of Kanem-Bornu, the Hausa states, and the Sokoto Caliphate; it expanded trans-Saharan trade routes linking the region to North Africa and beyond; and it laid the groundwork for the earliest widespread education system (makarantun allo). These contributions are significant for Nigeria as a whole, not just for the Muslim community.

You are only pointing to Arabic whatever, is Arabic your official language in Nigeria? Or the first school and hospital in Nigeria was brought by your Islamic mission because I don't understand why you will be attributing all these to Islam. Your religion might benefited Sokoto or Borno caliphates as you said, I'm not disputing that fact but tell us one major thing Nigerians as a whole benefited from your Islam.

Give me the link where I can read it myself the benefits of Islam to Nigeria, you are only there formulating a great lies by covering your shame as if you are talking to a novice like you!

RightChanneI:
You are only pointing to Arabic whatever, is Arabic your official language in Nigeria? Or the first school and hospital in Nigeria was brought by your Islamic mission because I don't understand why you will be attributing all these to Islam. Your religion might benefited Sokoto or Borno caliphates as you said, I'm not disputing that fact but tell us one major thing Nigerians as a whole benefited from your Islam.

Give me the link where I can read it myself the benefits of Islam to Nigeria, you are only there formulating a great lies by covering your shame as if you are talking to a novice like you!

RightChanneI:
Who are the Quraysh your prophet was fighting with as you said above if not his own people?

Are you saying allah instructed your prophet to klll his own people according to Quran 9:5?

You are doing a great job here by elevating and promoting taqqiya!

The Prophet pbuh was never told to harm his own people. Qur’an 9:5, it specifically addresses certain Meccan groups that broke a peace treaty by attacking the Prophet’s allies. The verses surrounding it make the boundaries clear as those who honored their agreements were safeguarded, anyone who sought peace was welcomed, and those who repented were left unharmed (9:1–4, 9:6). No reputable Muslim or Western historian interprets this as a directive to kill all Quraysh or all non-Muslims, because the historical context simply doesn’t support that interpretation.

The argument that Arabic isn’t Nigeria’s official language, doesn’t really prove anything. Latin isn’t the official language of any European nation, yet it played a crucial role in shaping European law, education, and scholarship for a thousand years. Civilizational influence comes from ideas and institutions, not from forcing everyone to speak a particular language. The way Islam influenced West Africa was similar: Ajami literacy (in Hausa, Kanuri, Fulfulde), governance systems, law, scholarship, trade, and widespread education (makarantun allo) all thrived long before Europeans showed up. And if language alone dictated influence, then how do we explain that English which isn’t tied to any of Nigeria’s ethnic groups became our national language and dominates our courts, schools, and politics? Influence doesn’t require a complete linguistic takeover.

You ask me to you a link and disregard that serious research isn’t done through quick TikTok-style snippets. Academic work is found in books and peer-reviewed journals. However, you can easily access major sources like UNESCO’s General History of Africa (Volumes III & IV), the African Ajami Library, The Kano Chronicle, and the Timbuktu Manuscripts Project all of which are open access and maintained by historians from Nigeria, Africa, America, and Europe. Clearly address with opposing research findings not knee jerk like outbursts.

These scholars aren’t coordinating Islamic propaganda. When Muslim sources, Western historians, and Nigerian academics all agree on the same facts, dismissing it as taqiyya isn’t critical thinking; it’s simply rejecting well-documented history because it challenges a preconceived narrative and does you no good.

honesttalk21:
The Prophet pbuh was never told to harm his own people. Qur’an 9:5, it specifically addresses certain Meccan groups that broke a peace treaty by attacking the Prophet’s allies. The verses surrounding it make the boundaries clear as those who honored their agreements were safeguarded, anyone who sought peace was welcomed, and those who repented were left unharmed (9:1–4, 9:6). No reputable Muslim or Western historian interprets this as a directive to kill all Quraysh or all non-Muslims, because the historical context simply doesn’t support that interpretation.

The argument that Arabic isn’t Nigeria’s official language, doesn’t really prove anything. Latin isn’t the official language of any European nation, yet it played a crucial role in shaping European law, education, and scholarship for a thousand years. Civilizational influence comes from ideas and institutions, not from forcing everyone to speak a particular language. The way Islam influenced West Africa was similar: Ajami literacy (in Hausa, Kanuri, Fulfulde), governance systems, law, scholarship, trade, and widespread education (makarantun allo) all thrived long before Europeans showed up. And if language alone dictated influence, then how do we explain that English which isn’t tied to any of Nigeria’s ethnic groups became our national language and dominates our courts, schools, and politics? Influence doesn’t require a complete linguistic takeover.

You ask me to you a link and disregard that serious research isn’t done through quick TikTok-style snippets. Academic work is found in books and peer-reviewed journals. However, you can easily access major sources like UNESCO’s General History of Africa (Volumes III & IV), the African Ajami Library, The Kano Chronicle, and the Timbuktu Manuscripts Project all of which are open access and maintained by historians from Nigeria, Africa, America, and Europe. Clearly address with opposing research findings not knee jerk like outbursts.

These scholars aren’t coordinating Islamic propaganda. When Muslim sources, Western historians, and Nigerian academics all agree on the same facts, dismissing it as taqiyya isn’t critical thinking; it’s simply rejecting well-documented history because it challenges a preconceived narrative and does you no good.

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honesttalk21:
The Prophet pbuh was never told to harm his own people. Qur’an 9:5, it specifically addresses certain Meccan groups that broke a peace treaty by attacking the Prophet’s allies. The verses surrounding it make the boundaries clear as those who honored their agreements were safeguarded, anyone who sought peace was welcomed, and those who repented were left unharmed (9:1–4, 9:6). No reputable Muslim or Western historian interprets this as a directive to kill all Quraysh or all non-Muslims, because the historical context simply doesn’t support that interpretation.

The argument that Arabic isn’t Nigeria’s official language, doesn’t really prove anything. Latin isn’t the official language of any European nation, yet it played a crucial role in shaping European law, education, and scholarship for a thousand years. Civilizational influence comes from ideas and institutions, not from forcing everyone to speak a particular language. The way Islam influenced West Africa was similar: Ajami literacy (in Hausa, Kanuri, Fulfulde), governance systems, law, scholarship, trade, and widespread education (makarantun allo) all thrived long before Europeans showed up. And if language alone dictated influence, then how do we explain that English which isn’t tied to any of Nigeria’s ethnic groups became our national language and dominates our courts, schools, and politics? Influence doesn’t require a complete linguistic takeover.

You ask me to you a link and disregard that serious research isn’t done through quick TikTok-style snippets. Academic work is found in books and peer-reviewed journals. However, you can easily access major sources like UNESCO’s General History of Africa (Volumes III & IV), the African Ajami Library, The Kano Chronicle, and the Timbuktu Manuscripts Project all of which are open access and maintained by historians from Nigeria, Africa, America, and Europe. Clearly address with opposing research findings not knee jerk like outbursts.

These scholars aren’t coordinating Islamic propaganda. When Muslim sources, Western historians, and Nigerian academics all agree on the same facts, dismissing it as taqiyya isn’t critical thinking; it’s simply rejecting well-documented history because it challenges a preconceived narrative and does you no good.

You don't know what you are saying again, you brought up Quraysh people into this matter and I'm asking who are they, you are saying another thing. Probably you can check back after regaining your cerebellum!

RightChanneI:
You don't know what you are saying again, you brought up Quraysh people into this matter and I'm asking who are they, you are saying another thing. Probably you can check back after regaining your cerebellum!

Banu Bakr and Banu Khuza‘ah were not Quraysh tribes but were allies of Quraysh and the Muslims, respectively. These are key participant in the treaty.
When Banu Bakr attacked Khuza‘ah, Quraysh backed them, breaking the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. That’s why Qur’an 9:5 addresses those treaty-breakers, not all Meccans or non-Muslims. It's obvious you didn't even try to investigate this treaty and are carelessly making statements.

honesttalk21:
Banu Bakr and Banu Khuza‘ah were not Quraysh tribes but were allies of Quraysh and the Muslims, respectively. These are key participant in the treaty.
When Banu Bakr attacked Khuza‘ah, Quraysh backed them, breaking the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. That’s why Qur’an 9:5 addresses those treaty-breakers, not all Meccans or non-Muslims. It's obvious you didn't even try to investigate this treaty and are carelessly making statements.

Quran is Words of Muhammad and His Men to Propagate His Founded Religion .He Fought and Fought ,Killed to Propagate it .It's all about War not Peace

honesttalk21:
Banu Bakr and Banu Khuza‘ah were not Quraysh tribes but were allies of Quraysh and the Muslims, respectively. These are key participant in the treaty.
When Banu Bakr attacked Khuza‘ah, Quraysh backed them, breaking the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. That’s why Qur’an 9:5 addresses those treaty-breakers, not all Meccans or non-Muslims. It's obvious you didn't even try to investigate this treaty and are carelessly making statements.

You have jumped again to Banu bakr and the other when you are lost as usual

Did Muhammad get instruction from allah to klll his own Quraysh people according to Quran 9:5 you tried to covered above?

I don't want story, just answer YES or NO!

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RightChanneI:
You have jumped again to Banu bakr and the other when you are lost as usual

Did Muhammad get instruction from allah to klll his own Quraysh people according to Quran 9:5 you tried to covered above?

I don't want story, just answer YES or NO!

Of course when you read treaty you never bothered to explore for verification purposes who this was with but jumped to uninformed propaganda.
Explain what you thoroughly understand by Quran 9:5.

honesttalk21:
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Of course when you read treaty you never bothered to explore for verification purposes who this was with but jumped to uninformed propaganda.
Explain what you thoroughly understand by Quran 9:5.

So allah instructed your prophet to carried out the job in quran 9:5, why such treatment was also extended to Jews and Christians as read from quran and hadith?

RightChanneI:
So allah instructed your prophet to carried out the job in quran 9:5, why such treatment was also extended to Jews and Christians as read from quran and hadith?

This is your wishful thought? How you falsely import your view into And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful.

Are you confessing that Jews and Christians are polytheists?

honesttalk21:
This is your wishful thought? How you falsely import your view into And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful.

Are you confessing that Jews and Christians are polytheists?

Are the people here you are commanded to fight with polytheists? Is it a must you force your religion on everyone?


Quran 8:39 Abdul Hye

And (O believers) fight them until there is no more mischief and the religion (Islam) is established completely for Allah alone. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then surely, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

RightChanneI:
Are the people here you are commanded to fight with polytheists? Is it a must you force your religion on everyone?


Quran 8:39 Abdul Hye

And (O believers) fight them until there is no more mischief and the religion (Islam) is established completely for Allah alone. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then surely, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

After failing with Quran 9:5 you run back to Quran 8:9 that was earlier addressed still insisting on translation that isn't in the original text. Evidence within the Qur’an and the actions of the Prophet Muhammad during pivotal moments in Islamic history affirm that Qur’an 8:39 was never intended as a universal call to arms against all non-believers. Instead, it addressed a specific conflict and underscored the importance of ending persecution, not enforcing conversion. Come back when you have clear unwavering concerns. Thank you.

honesttalk21:
After failing with Quran 9:5 you run back to Quran 8:9 that was earlier addressed still insisting on translation that isn't in the original text. Evidence within the Qur’an and the actions of the Prophet Muhammad during pivotal moments in Islamic history affirm that Qur’an 8:39 was never intended as a universal call to arms against all non-believers. Instead, it addressed a specific conflict and underscored the importance of ending persecution, not enforcing conversion. Come back when you have clear unwavering concerns. Thank you.

You go Explain tire to defend Lies .The Practical life of your Religion founder doesn't speak or spell anything Peace .