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Let’s start with the simple truth:

1️⃣ If God is Spirit, then God cannot have a human shape.
A spirit is not a man.
A spirit does not have bones, skin, gender, height, emotions like jealousy or rage.
A spirit is not limited to a location, race, time, or personality.

So how can something formless suddenly become a man with emotions?
It can’t.
It only becomes that in the human imagination.


2️⃣ Humans project themselves onto the Infinite.
When a child draws God, the child draws a human face.
Why?
Because people can only imagine the Infinite through their own limited mind.

Ancient cultures took this human projection and turned it into:
A father
A king
A warrior
A judge
A man sitting on a throne
A man who gets angry
A man who forgives
A man who punishes

These are human roles, not Source attributes.

This is why every religion ends up describing God using human emotion and human logic.

Because it’s easier to worship a human-like character than an indescribable infinite field of consciousness.


3️⃣ Spirit + Human Mind = Anthropomorphic God
Anthropomorphism means “giving human qualities to something that is not human.”

Humans did it to:
God
Angels
Demons
Stars
Animals
Forces of nature

Why?
Because the human mind cannot comprehend pure formless awareness, so it creates a story around it.


4️⃣ The Source is NOT a character.
This is where people get uncomfortable.
Because if God is formless, then:
He is not male
He is not female
He has no face
He has no body
He is not angry
He is not jealous
He cannot be insulted
He cannot punish
He cannot “choose” tribes or religions

These are human traits.

The Source is the field through which everything exists.
Not a man in the sky.


5️⃣ Religion created personality-Gods to make control easier.
A formless Source cannot be:
bribed
threatened
used to scare people
packaged into doctrine
owned by a tribe
turned into rules

But a human-like God can.

A God that becomes angry?
→ Easy to use for fear.

A God that rewards obedience?
→ Easy to control populations.

This is why the Infinite was reduced to a personality.
Because you can’t build an institution around a formless, limitless consciousness.
But you can build one around a human-like character.


6️⃣ Truth: A Spirit cannot have a human personality.

If God is Spirit, then God is:
Awareness
Intelligence
Presence
The Source of being
The ground of existence
The invisible essence behind all form

How can that be a man?
A drop cannot describe the ocean by giving it a human face.
Yet that is what religions did.


7️⃣ The Awakening Perspective.
The Source is not a man,
not a woman,
not a personality,
not a judge,
not an ego.

Source is Being Itself.

The same field of awareness that looks through your eyes, my eyes, and every form.
Everything else, every story, every personality, every anthropomorphic description, is a human interpretation, not the Reality.

That is the contradiction most people refuse to face:
You cannot say “God is Spirit” and then describe Him like a human.

Spirit = Formless
Human = Form

You cannot be both at the same time.

Peace And Love
TheAwakenSoul.

Theawakensoul:
Let’s start with the simple truth:

1️⃣ If God is Spirit, then God cannot have a human shape..

Did you not read that He created us to be like Him?

And do you not see Him refer to our attributes eg He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?".

As I said, antichrist, see how you are the author of confusion and strivings. And The Lord shall not fail to answer you.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not read that He created us to be like Him?

And do you not see Him refer to our attributes eg He that planted the ear, shall he not hear? he that formed the eye, shall he not see?".

As I said, antichrist, see how you are the author of confusion and strivings. And The Lord shall not fail to answer you.

You keep responding with accusations instead of addressing the actual point, so let me simplify this:

1️⃣ “God created us to be like Him.”
Being “like” does not mean having the same physical shape.

If God is Spirit:
Spirit is not flesh
Spirit is not bones
Spirit is not a human body

Saying “in His image” has been interpreted in many traditions to mean:
consciousness
awareness
the ability to perceive
creative capacity

Not a human-shaped body.

So your argument assumes the conclusion you’re trying to prove.


2️⃣ “He that planted the ear, shall He not hear?”
You’re reading anthropomorphic language literally.

The Bible uses:
metaphors
analogies
poetic expressions

When it says God “hears,” “sees,” “speaks,” “walks,” those are human descriptions used to communicate spiritual ideas.

If God literally had human ears, eyes, nose, and limbs, then God would be a physical organism, not Spirit.

That directly contradicts Scripture itself:
“God is Spirit.”

Spirit ≠ human anatomy.


3️⃣ Calling me “antichrist” does not make your argument stronger.
When someone has no logical response, they switch to:
labels
threats
accusations
fear language

That is not spiritual insight, it is emotional reaction.


4️⃣ You still have not answered the actual question:
If God is Spirit, how does Spirit have:
a head
eyes
ears
hands
feet
nostrils
a throne
a physical sitting posture

These are symbolic descriptions, not literal biology.


5️⃣ My point remains:
Religion gives God a human personality and human shape because humans interpret the infinite through their own lens.

Consciousness teaches that Source is formless, not limited to human attributes.

Until you address that, you’re not debating, you’re defending your belief.

I’m not here to fight you.
I’m here to point out a contradiction you have not resolved.

TheAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
You keep responding with accusations instead of addressing the actual point, so let me simplify this:

1️⃣ “God created us to be like Him.”
Being “like” does not mean having the same physical shape.

If God is Spirit:
Spirit is not flesh
Spirit is not bones
Spirit is not a human body

Saying “in His image” has been interpreted in many traditions to mean:
consciousness
awareness
the ability to perceive
creative capacity

Not a human-shaped body.

So your argument assumes the conclusion you’re trying to prove.


2️⃣ “He that planted the ear, shall He not hear?”
You’re reading anthropomorphic language literally.

The Bible uses:
metaphors
analogies
poetic expressions

When it says God “hears,” “sees,” “speaks,” “walks,” those are human descriptions used to communicate spiritual ideas.

If God literally had human ears, eyes, nose, and limbs, then God would be a physical organism, not Spirit.

That directly contradicts Scripture itself:
“God is Spirit.”

Spirit ≠ human anatomy.


3️⃣ Calling me “antichrist” does not make your argument stronger.
When someone has no logical response, they switch to:
labels
threats
accusations
fear language

That is not spiritual insight, it is emotional reaction.


4️⃣ You still have not answered the actual question:
If God is Spirit, how does Spirit have:
a head
eyes
ears
hands
feet
nostrils
a throne
a physical sitting posture

These are symbolic descriptions, not literal biology.


5️⃣ My point remains:
Religion gives God a human personality and human shape because humans interpret the infinite through their own lens.

Consciousness teaches that Source is formless, not limited to human attributes.

Until you address that, you’re not debating, you’re defending your belief.

I’m not here to fight you.
I’m here to point out a contradiction you have not resolved.

TheAwakenSoul

Even though I don't think people can actually define what a god is I largely agree with your write up. Humans are notorious for anthropomorphising everything our mind conceives. Even the aliens in outer space we have never met have already taken human form in our popular scifi tales. All our folktales are of animals and other things behaving like humans. I think we are so lost in our own heads we can't help it.

Topic of your thread:

If God Is Spirit, Why Do Religions Give Him A Human Personality?

Who told you God is spirit and why did you conclude God is He and not She or It?🤔

Theawakensoul:
You keep responding with accusations instead of addressing the actual point, so let me simplify this:

1️⃣ “God created us to be like Him.”
Being “like” does not mean having the same physical shape.

If God is Spirit:
Spirit is not flesh
Spirit is not bones
Spirit is not a human body

You are a evu thing come to the spread evu.

And see how twisted you are?who said anything about likeness being physical shape?

And who is disputing that God is not Spirit?

Have you even seen a spirit?

And does being spirit mean that the spirit cannot see or hear or move or talk?

Like I said, you are a devu, come to do evu and God would definitely get to you.

LordReed:
Even though I don't think people can actually define what a god is I largely agree with your write up. Humans are notorious for anthropomorphising everything our mind conceives. Even the aliens in outer space we have never met have already taken human form in our popular scifi tales. All our folktales are of animals and other things behaving like humans. I think we are so lost in our own heads we can't help it.

What did we lose in calling our car's lights eyes and the boot, ass? (To even see that we women's sit tool, boot)

Dtruthspeaker:
What did we lose in calling our car's lights eyes and the boot, ass? (To even see that we women's sit tool, boot)

Who said anything about loss?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are a evu thing come to the spread evu.

And see how twisted you are?who said anything about likeness being physical shape?

And who is disputing that God is not Spirit?

Have you even seen a spirit?

And does being spirit mean that the spirit cannot see or hear or move or talk?

Like I said, you are a devu, come to do evu and God would definitely get to you.

You keep responding with accusations instead of engaging with the actual point, so let me address your message clearly and without the emotional language you keep using.

You asked: “Have you even seen a spirit?”
Your entire argument assumes that truth must be seen physically before it can be understood or described.

But even your own belief system doesn’t follow that logic:
You’ve never “seen” God with your physical eyes.
You’ve never “seen” the Holy Spirit as a body or a shape.
You’ve never “seen” Heaven, angels, eternity, or the afterlife.

Yet you still speak about them with confidence.

So if your belief does not require physical sight to articulate a spiritual concept, then why demand it from me?
That contradiction is the whole point.

I’m describing a conceptual truth, not a visual sighting:
Spirit is not physical.
Therefore Spirit does not have physical form.
This is simple logic, not “evil,” not “devil,” not “twisting.”

📌 Now to correct your latest accusation:
You said: “You are a devil, come to do evil.”

Notice again:
Instead of addressing the idea, you attack the person.
This is exactly the problem with fear-based interpretations:
Question → labelled “evil”
Different perspective → labelled “devil”
Honest discussion → labelled “confusion”

That is not spirituality.
That is emotional reaction and conditioned defense.

📌 Let me restate the point you keep avoiding:
If God is Spirit, then God is not a human organism.
Therefore, giving God:
a face
a nose
eyes
hands
rage
jealousy
throne
gender
anger issues
human emotions
human limitations…
…is human projection, not divine nature.

“Being like God” means sharing attributes, not sharing anatomy.

Spirit does not require:
• bones
• nostrils
• pupils
• hands
• blood
• a body

Spirit perceives without organs.
Spirit communicates without vocal cords.
Spirit is not defined by shape.

Nothing you said contradicts this.

📌 And one more thing:
Making accusations like
“devil,” “Satan,” “evil,” “God will get you”
every time someone explains a spiritual concept…

…does not make your argument stronger.
It only shows you’ve run out of explanations, so you switched to threats.

I’m here to discuss ideas, not trade insults.
If you want a genuine conversation, respond to the concept, not the person.
Until then, I’ll continue speaking from clarity, not fear.

Peace and love brother.
TheAwakenSoul

LordReed:
Even though I don't think people can actually define what a god is I largely agree with your write up. Humans are notorious for anthropomorphising everything our mind conceives. Even the aliens in outer space we have never met have already taken human form in our popular scifi tales. All our folktales are of animals and other things behaving like humans. I think we are so lost in our own heads we can't help it.

Thank you, @LordReed
You actually understood the point clearly.
Humans naturally project their own traits onto whatever they worship or fear. It’s a psychological pattern, not a divine blueprint.

Peace and Love Brother.
TheAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
Thank you, @LordReed
You actually understood the point clearly.
Humans naturally project their own traits onto whatever they worship or fear. It’s a psychological pattern, not a divine blueprint.

Peace and Love Brother.
TheAwakenSoul

But it isn't only things we worship or fear we project our nature onto. I think it is things we have little or incomplete understanding of especially things we like to think have agency. That's why we tell tales of animals talking like humans or like when we didn't know what thunder was we would imagine it was the sound of a god talking.

Theawakensoul:
You keep responding with accusations instead of engaging with the actual point, so let me address your message clearly and without the emotional language you keep using./quote]

A man is known by his words and as it is only atheists who say "there is no God" so is it only devus like you who must always attack the substance and tenets of God, where every reasonable person never crossed that line.

[quote author=Theawakensoul post=137739388]You asked: “Have you even seen a spirit?”
Your entire argument assumes that truth must be seen physically before it can be understood or described.

But even your own belief system doesn’t follow that logic:
You’ve never “seen” God with your physical eyes.
You’ve never “seen” the Holy Spirit as a body or a shape.
You’ve never “seen” Heaven, angels, eternity, or the afterlife.

This is the fallacy called Tu quoque/ Reversing the burden of proof.

So, from your response, it is clear that you admit that you never saw the spirit, so all you say is complete rubbish born from your delus arising from your certain danmation

LordReed:
But it isn't only things we worship or fear we project our nature onto. I think it is things we have little or incomplete understanding of especially things we like to think have agency. That's why we tell tales of animals talking like humans or like when we didn't know what thunder was we would imagine it was the sound of a god talking.

So when Enid Blyton wrote about talking animals it was not based on worship or fear or on incomplete understanding?

LordReed:
But it isn't only things we worship or fear we project our nature onto. I think it is things we have little or incomplete understanding of especially things we like to think have agency. That's why we tell tales of animals talking like humans or like when we didn't know what thunder was we would imagine it was the sound of a god talking.

Exactly, brother, that’s the part many people overlook.

It’s not just about worship or fear.
It’s about the human mind trying to make the unknown feel familiar.

Throughout history, whenever humans encountered something they couldn’t explain, thunder, the sun, death, dreams, the ocean, they naturally projected human traits onto it:
gods who get angry
gods who talk
gods who walk
gods who sit on thrones
gods who need offerings
gods with emotions like jealousy, rage, pleasure, and regret

It’s not that these forces actually had human traits…
It’s that we interpreted them through the only lens we had, ourselves.

That’s why practically every ancient culture created gods that looked and behaved like human beings:
Egyptian gods
Greek gods
Norse gods
Yoruba orishas
Hebrew angels and Yahweh in the Old Testament

It’s a psychological pattern, not a literal description of the Divine.
And that’s the whole point of this topic:

If God is Spirit and beyond form, then the human-shaped personality given to Him in religion says more about humans than about God.

We project our nature onto the universe because it’s the only language we understand.

Your comment captures that perfectly.

Peace, clarity, and higher awareness, brother.
TheAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
Exactly, brother, that’s the part many people overlook..

See how you are calling a very well known ivu thing who brought down the lives of many church goers who thought they were Christians your "brother".

See, he is definitely your brother

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are calling a very well known ivu thing who brought down the lives of many church goers who thought they were Christians your "brother".

See, he is definitely your brother

You see, brother, this is exactly the difference between fear-based religion and awareness-based consciousness, and you’re demonstrating it clearly.

You called another human being an “evil thing”
someone who is simply sharing ideas, just like you.
Yet when I responded to him, I called him “brother.”
And I call you brother too, even though we disagree every single time.

That alone should show you something:
🔹 I see humans as fellow beings on their journey.
🔹 You see anyone who thinks differently as evil.

That is the real conditioning I’ve been talking about.
You’re upset because I call someone “brother,” yet you have no problem calling your fellow human being:
• evil
• satanic
• devu
• antichrist
…simply because he doesn’t share your interpretation.

How can compassion be “evil,” but insults and condemnation be “holy”?
How can calling someone “brother” be a crime, but dehumanizing them be righteousness?

That contradiction alone shows that what you’re defending is not God, you’re defending doctrine, fear, and us-vs-them programming.

My path is simple:
I see humans.
I see consciousness.
I see growth.
I see the divine spark in everyone, including you.

So even if you call me every name in the book, I will still call you brother, because you are a human being on your own journey,
not an “evil thing.”

Whether you agree or not, that is love.
Not fear.
Not obedience.
Not threats.
Just awareness.

Peace and clarity, brother.
TheAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
You see, brother, this is exactly the difference between fear-based religion and awareness-based consciousness, and you’re demonstrating it clearly.

You called another human being an “evil thing”
someone who is simply sharing ideas, just like you.
Yet when I responded to him, I called him “brother.”
And I call you brother too, even though we disagree every single time.

That alone should show you something:
🔹 I see humans as fellow beings on their journey.
🔹 You see anyone who thinks differently as evil.

That is the real conditioning I’ve been talking about.
You’re upset because I call someone “brother,” yet you have no problem calling your fellow human being:
• evil
• satanic
• devu
• antichrist
…simply because he doesn’t share your interpretation.

How can compassion be “evil,” but insults and condemnation be “holy”?
How can calling someone “brother” be a crime, but dehumanizing them be righteousness?

That contradiction alone shows that what you’re defending is not God, you’re defending doctrine, fear, and us-vs-them programming.

My path is simple:
I see humans.
I see consciousness.
I see growth.
I see the divine spark in everyone, including you.

So even if you call me every name in the book, I will still call you brother, because you are a human being on your own journey,
not an “evil thing.”

Whether you agree or not, that is love.
Not fear.
Not obedience.
Not threats.
Just awareness.

Peace and clarity, brother.
TheAwakenSoul

You are everything he says you are.

Eve has no hiding place and it shines forth in all your threads.

Theawakensoul:
Exactly, brother, that’s the part many people overlook.

It’s not just about worship or fear.
It’s about the human mind trying to make the unknown feel familiar.

Throughout history, whenever humans encountered something they couldn’t explain, thunder, the sun, death, dreams, the ocean, they naturally projected human traits onto it:
gods who get angry
gods who talk
gods who walk
gods who sit on thrones
gods who need offerings
gods with emotions like jealousy, rage, pleasure, and regret

It’s not that these forces actually had human traits…
It’s that we interpreted them through the only lens we had, ourselves.

That’s why practically every ancient culture created gods that looked and behaved like human beings:
Egyptian gods
Greek gods
Norse gods
Yoruba orishas
Hebrew angels and Yahweh in the Old Testament

It’s a psychological pattern, not a literal description of the Divine.
And that’s the whole point of this topic:

If God is Spirit and beyond form, then the human-shaped personality given to Him in religion says more about humans than about God.

We project our nature onto the universe because it’s the only language we understand.

Your comment captures that perfectly.

Peace, clarity, and higher awareness, brother.
TheAwakenSoul

I sincerely hope in my lifetime humans will learn to communicate fully with some other being that isn't human so that we can learn something new.

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are calling a very well known ivu thing who brought down the lives of many church goers who thought they were Christians your "brother".

See, he is definitely your brother

Of course he is.

truespeak:
You are everything he says you are.

Eve has no hiding place and it shines forth in all your threads.

You didn’t address a single point I made, brother.
You simply repeated someone else’s accusation and attached a biblical label to me.

That already tells me your response is emotional, not thoughtful.

When I speak, I talk about:
compassion
consciousness
awareness
inner growth
how we treat one another

But instead of addressing those ideas, you went straight to:
labels
shame
symbolism
judgment

That is not spirituality, it is conditioning.

Calling someone “Eve,” “evil,” or “deluded” is not an argument.
It is a reaction.

Yet even with that, you are still my brother.
I see a human being on his own journey, even when you choose to reduce me to a symbol in your doctrine.

The difference between us is simple:
I speak to people as humans.
You speak to people as categories.

I discuss ideas.
You condemn identities.

I talk from awareness.
You talk from fear.

But even so, I wish you clarity on your path.
Peace unto you, brother.

TheAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
You didn’t address a single point I made, brother.
You simply repeated someone else’s accusation and attached a biblical label to me.

That already tells me your response is emotional, not thoughtful.

When I speak, I talk about:
compassion
consciousness
awareness
inner growth
how we treat one another

But instead of addressing those ideas, you went straight to:
labels
shame
symbolism
judgment

That is not spirituality, it is conditioning.

Calling someone “Eve,” “evil,” or “deluded” is not an argument.
It is a reaction.

Yet even with that, you are still my brother.
I see a human being on his own journey, even when you choose to reduce me to a symbol in your doctrine.

The difference between us is simple:
I speak to people as humans.
You speak to people as categories.

I discuss ideas.
You condemn identities.

I talk from awareness.
You talk from fear.

But even so, I wish you clarity on your path.
Peace unto you, brother.

TheAwakenSoul

There is nothing to address in your eve post but to call it what it is!

LordReed:
I sincerely hope in my lifetime humans will learn to communicate fully with some other being that isn't human so that we can learn something new.

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It is most likely that such interaction already exists for decades at the minimum but is classified.

In general, beware of the words of astrophysicist Robert Jastrow in his 1978 book, God and the Astronomers:

"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

In quoting this, I mean to suggest that many ordinary and spiritual people already have experience of that which you seek.

LordReed:
I sincerely hope in my lifetime humans will learn to communicate fully with some other being that isn't human so that we can learn something new.

That hope you expressed is powerful, and honestly, very insightful.
Because what you’re describing is exactly what humanity has struggled with for thousands of years:

🔹 We only understand reality through the limits of our own mind.

So when we try to imagine:
a god
a spirit
an alien intelligence
or any non-human consciousness
…we automatically project our own nature onto it.

That’s why ancient cultures gave gods:
human tempers
human emotions
human logic
human faces and bodies

It wasn’t because the Divine is human-like,
it was because the human mind needed a familiar shape to grasp something vast and unknown.

🔹 What you’re hoping for, true communication with a non-human intelligence, would finally break that limitation. It would force us to expand beyond:
anthropomorphism
cultural conditioning
religious interpretation
and the assumption that the universe thinks like a human

And ironically, that is what consciousness work has been pointing toward all along:
the realization that reality is far bigger than the human psychological lens.

🔹 Imagine if humanity encounters a being that:
doesn’t think with emotion
doesn’t communicate with words
doesn’t process time like we do
doesn’t experience self the way we do
doesn’t even have a “face” or “body” as we understand it

At that moment, all our assumptions about God, spirit, angels, demons, and creation would be shaken and re-examined, not out of rebellion, but out of revelation.

Your comment connects beautifully to the topic because:
If we struggle to understand beings beyond human form, how much more the Source that has no form at all?

That’s why religions humanized God, not out of malice, but out of limitation.

🔹 One day, humans may finally realize:
The universe is not human.
Spirit is not human.
God, whatever that ultimate Source is, is not human.
Only our interpretation is.

Communicating with a truly non-human consciousness could be the breakthrough that helps humanity finally see beyond itself.

Peace, brother.
Always a pleasure expanding these ideas with you.
TheAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
That hope you expressed is powerful, and honestly, very insightful.
Because what you’re describing is exactly what humanity has struggled with for thousands of years:

🔹 We only understand reality through the limits of our own mind.

So when we try to imagine:
a god
a spirit
an alien intelligence
or any non-human consciousness
…we automatically project our own nature onto it.

That’s why ancient cultures gave gods:
human tempers
human emotions
human logic
human faces and bodies

It wasn’t because the Divine is human-like,
it was because the human mind needed a familiar shape to grasp something vast and unknown.

🔹 What you’re hoping for, true communication with a non-human intelligence, would finally break that limitation. It would force us to expand beyond:
anthropomorphism
cultural conditioning
religious interpretation
and the assumption that the universe thinks like a human

And ironically, that is what consciousness work has been pointing toward all along:
the realization that reality is far bigger than the human psychological lens.

🔹 Imagine if humanity encounters a being that:
doesn’t think with emotion
doesn’t communicate with words
doesn’t process time like we do
doesn’t experience self the way we do
doesn’t even have a “face” or “body” as we understand it

At that moment, all our assumptions about God, spirit, angels, demons, and creation would be shaken and re-examined, not out of rebellion, but out of revelation.

Your comment connects beautifully to the topic because:
If we struggle to understand beings beyond human form, how much more the Source that has no form at all?

That’s why religions humanized God, not out of malice, but out of limitation.

🔹 One day, humans may finally realize:
The universe is not human.
Spirit is not human.
God, whatever that ultimate Source is, is not human.
Only our interpretation is.

Communicating with a truly non-human consciousness could be the breakthrough that helps humanity finally see beyond itself.

Peace, brother.
Always a pleasure expanding these ideas with you.
TheAwakenSoul

See it more eve pouring out even in this post. What a thing

DeepSight:
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It is most likely that such interaction already exists for decades at the minimum but is classified.

In general, beware of the words of astrophysicist Robert Jastrow in his 1978 book, God and the Astronomers:

"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

In quoting this, I mean to suggest that many ordinary and spiritual people already have experience of that which you seek.

That’s a very powerful perspective, @DeepSight, and it ties beautifully into what @LordReed said.

The truth is this:
Whenever humanity reaches the edge of what we currently understand, we always assume we are about to discover something brand-new… yet we often find out that others, mystics, sages, philosophers, were already exploring those realms long before science gave them language.

The Robert Jastrow quote captures that perfectly.
Science climbs the mountain from one side,
spirituality climbs from another,
and consciousness sits at the peak quietly watching both.

And you’re right, humans may already be interacting with non-human intelligences on levels we don’t fully recognize:
🔹 Through altered states
dreams, visions, intuitive downloads, deep meditation

🔹 Through consciousness itself
the part of reality that doesn’t need physical form to communicate

🔹 Through science we haven’t caught up to yet
quantum behavior, non-locality, near-death experiences

🔹 Through ancient traditions
many cultures claimed interaction with beings “not of this world”,
not necessarily aliens, but intelligences beyond physical limitation

So whether classified or simply misunderstood, the point remains:
Humanity has never been alone in its search for understanding.

What we call:
• angels
• gods
• ancestors
• extraterrestrials
• higher consciousness
…might all be different interpretations of the same deeper truth.

And that’s the beauty of expanding awareness:
You stop seeing everything through one doctrine, or one culture, or one narrative;
and you begin to see that reality is layered, interconnected, and far bigger than any single framework.

Thank you both for elevating the conversation.

Peace, clarity, and open awareness, brothers.
TheAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
That’s a very powerful perspective, @DeepSight, and it ties beautifully into what @LordReed said.

The truth is this:
Whenever humanity reaches the edge of what we currently understand, we always assume we are about to discover something brand-new… yet we often find out that others, mystics, sages, philosophers, were already exploring those realms long before science gave them language.

The Robert Jastrow quote captures that perfectly.
Science climbs the mountain from one side,
spirituality climbs from another,
and consciousness sits at the peak quietly watching both.

And you’re right, humans may already be interacting with non-human intelligences on levels we don’t fully recognize:
🔹 Through altered states
dreams, visions, intuitive downloads, deep meditation

🔹 Through consciousness itself
the part of reality that doesn’t need physical form to communicate

🔹 Through science we haven’t caught up to yet
quantum behavior, non-locality, near-death experiences

🔹 Through ancient traditions
many cultures claimed interaction with beings “not of this world”,
not necessarily aliens, but intelligences beyond physical limitation

So whether classified or simply misunderstood, the point remains:
Humanity has never been alone in its search for understanding.

What we call:
• angels
• gods
• ancestors
• extraterrestrials
• higher consciousness
…might all be different interpretations of the same deeper truth.

And that’s the beauty of expanding awareness:
You stop seeing everything through one doctrine, or one culture, or one narrative;
and you begin to see that reality is layered, interconnected, and far bigger than any single framework.

Thank you both for elevating the conversation.

Peace, clarity, and open awareness, brothers.
TheAwakenSoul

Are they not your brother's of course they have come to give you a hand but it doesn't cover the fact of who you are but declares it.

Trouble, confusion and close unawareness brothers.
TheDreadSoul

truespeak:
Are they not your brother's of course they have come to give you a hand but it doesn't cover the fact of who you are but declares it.

Trouble, confusion and close unawareness brothers.
TheDreadSoul

My brother @truespeak,
I see you’re back again with your usual poetry of accusations.
At this point, you’re becoming the comic relief of the thread,
and honestly, I appreciate the entertainment.

But let’s be clear about something:
You keep calling me “eve,” “evil,” “ma…eve,” “trouble,” “confusion,” “unawareness”
as if repeating these things will magically turn them into facts.

Meanwhile, the irony is standing in front of you dancing:
🔹 You call fellow human beings “evil things.”
🔹 You insult everyone who disagrees with you.
🔹 You reduce conversations to name-calling.
🔹 You judge hearts you’ve never met.
…and somehow you think that makes me the dark one?

Brother, relax.
If disagreement threatens your faith, it means the issue is not me,
it’s the fragility of the belief you’re trying to protect.

I talk about ideas.
You talk about insults.

I ask questions.
You throw labels.

I call you “brother.”
You call me “eve.”

And the funniest part?
I still see you as a brother.
Even with all your dramatic special effects.

Why?

Because you are still a human consciousness on a journey,
still trying to understand your world,
still reacting from conditioning,
still learning,
even if your learning process involves shouting “evil!” every 10 minutes.

So let me end with this:
If my posts trigger you this much,
maybe the real lesson is not that I am “evil,”
but that there is something inside you that doesn’t like being challenged.

And that’s okay.
Growth often feels like discomfort.

Peace, clarity, and a little bit of humor, brother.
theAwakenSoul

Theawakensoul:
My brother @truespeak,
I see you’re back again with your usual poetry of accusations.
At this point, you’re becoming the comic relief of the thread,
and honestly, I appreciate the entertainment.

But let’s be clear about something:
You keep calling me “eve,” “evil,” “ma…eve,” “trouble,” “confusion,” “unawareness”
as if repeating these things will magically turn them into facts.

Meanwhile, the irony is standing in front of you dancing:
🔹 You call fellow human beings “evil things.”
🔹 You insult everyone who disagrees with you.
🔹 You reduce conversations to name-calling.
🔹 You judge hearts you’ve never met.
…and somehow you think that makes me the dark one?

Brother, relax.
If disagreement threatens your faith, it means the issue is not me,
it’s the fragility of the belief you’re trying to protect.

I talk about ideas.
You talk about insults.

I ask questions.
You throw labels.

I call you “brother.”
You call me “eve.”

And the funniest part?
I still see you as a brother.
Even with all your dramatic special effects.

Why?

Because you are still a human consciousness on a journey,
still trying to understand your world,
still reacting from conditioning,
still learning,
even if your learning process involves shouting “evil!” every 10 minutes.

So let me end with this:
If my posts trigger you this much,
maybe the real lesson is not that I am “evil,”
but that there is something inside you that doesn’t like being challenged.

And that’s okay.
Growth often feels like discomfort.

Peace, clarity, and a little bit of humor, brother.
theAwakenSoul

You can keep repeating yourself. It doesn't change a thing.

DeepSight:
+
It is most likely that such interaction already exists for decades at the minimum but is classified.

In general, beware of the words of astrophysicist Robert Jastrow in his 1978 book, God and the Astronomers:

"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

In quoting this, I mean to suggest that many ordinary and spiritual people already have experience of that which you seek.

It may be but I mean for it to be unambiguous.