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honesttalk21:
After failing with Quran 9:5 you run back to Quran 8:9 that was earlier addressed still insisting on translation that isn't in the original text. Evidence within the Qur’an and the actions of the Prophet Muhammad during pivotal moments in Islamic history affirm that Qur’an 8:39 was never intended as a universal call to arms against all non-believers. Instead, it addressed a specific conflict and underscored the importance of ending persecution, not enforcing conversion. Come back when you have clear unwavering concerns. Thank you.

I thought you said the verses of quran contradicts one another?

Is Muhammad and allah authors of confusion!

RightChanneI:
I thought you said the verses of quran contradicts one another?

Is Muhammad and allah authors of confusion!

Clearly point where I say this unless you .i. so easily. Is it that you don't understand?

honesttalk21:
Clearly point where I say this unless you .i. so easily. Is it that you don't understand?

You said there are many verses that contradict what was written down in quran 8:39, Yes or No?

Who among these people is an author of confusion, allah or mohommod?

RightChanneI:
You said there are many verses that contradict what was written down in quran 8:39, Yes or No?

Who among these people is an author of confusion, allah or mohommod?

No I didn't say that.

I see you are boxed into being context-blind and or polemic-driven reader.

honesttalk21:
No I didn't say that.

I see you are boxed into being context-blind and or polemic-driven reader.

Lol...U are just deceptively hiding under polemics to dodge the fact that your religious text promotes violence against other people that are not Muslims, aiming at domination...

Everytime u cannot deny these evil practices, you will play the "it's not a universal call" card, yet your Muslims brothers go about killing people in the name of lesser jihad, migrating in mass to developed non-muslims nation to overthrow their culture and accommodating laws that allowed you to practice your islam when you entered their country....

Please tell me something sir....can any immigrant enter Saudi, Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan and start demanding for official parallel religious laws and court like shariah when there are already existing laws and courts....?? U can't even have freedom of religion or preach openly in a Muslim country without the risk of being killed.. ....I mean, how do u pple think it's okay to enter peoples countries and try to overturn their laws??

advanceDNA:
Lol...U are just deceptively hiding under polemics to dodge the fact that your religious text promotes violence against other people that are not Muslims, aiming at domination...

Everytime u cannot deny these evil practices, you will play the "it's not a universal call" card, yet your Muslims brothers go about killing people in the name of lesser jihad, migrating in mass to developed non-muslims nation to overthrow their culture and accommodating laws that allowed you to practice your islam when you entered their country....

Please tell me something sir....can any immigrant enter Saudi, Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan and start demanding for official parallel religious laws and court like shariah when there are already existing laws and courts....?? U can't even have freedom of religion or preach openly in a Muslim country without the risk of being killed.. ....I mean, how do u pple think it's okay to enter peoples countries and try to overturn their laws??

First show in context of my discussion with Rightchannel my saying what he claims.

honesttalk21:
First show in context of my discussion with Rightchannel my saying what he claims.

This is just another deceptive denial, leaving all I said to deflect....
but no worries I will indulge you.......the screen shot below shows the conversation btw the two of you as u tried to deceptively hide the violent 8:39 verse under the excuse of translations just as u have been hiding under polemics and your usual "it's not a universal call" ......

Which was why the RightChanneI asked you: "are u saying there are contradictions in your religious text ? since u muslims have always claimed ur text was never edited and standardized...

.....U further claim that the action of your prophet affirm those violent practices were not a universal call....so I ask....how sir?? How did his action affirmed it.....your prophet literally killed millions of pple justifying it with various reasons from lesser jihad, to claims they attacked him first, to claims they are his enemies or enemies of allah, and other excuses

See ....... the truth is .....thus is how religion works.....pple follow the actions and teachings of the central person/prophet/messengers of the faith they follow.....many things Christians do today are the very actions of jesus

So it is pure deception for you to keep twisting that the violent actions of your Muslims brothers all over the world is not becos of your prophet's past actions and Quran's violent text...

I mean..... 8:39 literally said u should fight until Islam dominates....if u have any original text that different from the codex caliph uthman gave u pple ...please show here us......

In one of ur prophet's past violent actions he beheaded more than a 100 Jewish sect known as Banu Qurayza, because he accused them of siding with enemies of allah...yet when ur Muslim brothers kill non-Muslims or whoever they tag as enemies of Islam and the prophet today.... u come here and hide under polemics and non-universal call.....sir you are very deceptive and it's a common practice among your Muslim to hide and justify evil..











The guy clearly showed you Quran 8:39 which clearly states you should fight until Islam dominates ...and it's one of the verse that's promotes violence perpetrated by your pple around the world today .

advanceDNA:
This is just another deceptive denial, leaving all I said to deflect....
but no worries I will indulge you.......the screen shot below shows the conversation btw the two of you as u tried to deceptively hide the violent 8:39 verse under the excuse of translations just as u have been hiding under polemics and your usual "it's not a universal call" ......

Which was why the RightChanneI asked you: "are u saying there are contradictions in your religious text ? since u muslims have always claimed ur text was never edited and standardized...

.....U further claim that the action of your prophet affirm those violent practices were not a universal call....so I ask....how sir?? How did his action affirmed it.....your prophet literally killed millions of pple justifying it with various reasons from lesser jihad, to claims they attacked him first, to claims they are his enemies or enemies of allah, and other excuses

See ....... the truth is .....thus is how religion works.....pple follow the actions and teachings of the central person/prophet/messengers of the faith they follow.....many things Christians do today are the very actions of jesus

So it is pure deception for you to keep twisting that the violent actions of your Muslims brothers all over the world is not becos of your prophet's past actions and Quran's violent text...

I mean..... 8:39 literally said u should fight until Islam dominates....if u have any original text that different from the codex caliph uthman gave u pple ...please show here us......

In one of ur prophet's past violent actions he beheaded more than a 100 Jewish sect known as Banu Qurayza, because he accused them of siding with enemies or allah...yet when ur Muslim brothers kill non-Muslims or whoever they tag as enemies of Islam and the prophet today.... u come here and hide under polemics and non-universal call.....sir you are very deceptive and it's a common practice among your Muslim to hide and justify evil..











The guy clearly showed you Quran 8:39 which clearly states you should fight until Islam dominates ...and it's one of the verse that's promotes violence perpetrated by your pple around the world today .

Is it so difficult to answer a question pertaining to a discussion you jumped into before having your concerns addressed? Is this questionable morals or illogical arrogance? Did I say one verse was contradicted by others?

In your rage or rush no screen shot is attached.

honesttalk21:
Is it so difficult to answer a question pertaining to a discussion you jumped into before having your concerns addressed? Is this questionable morals or illogical arrogance? Did I say one verse was contradicted by others?

In your rage or rush no screen shot is attached.

Rage? It's funny how u Muslims claim rage, hate, yet you are the ones going around murdering pple and trying to dominate others.. if they speak out u will call label all manner of names....

advanceDNA:
Rage? It's funny how u Muslims claim rage, hate, yet you are the ones going around murdering pple and trying to dominate others.. if they speak out u will call label all manner of names....

And your attachment has text that reads one verse is contradicted by others? Please show me.

honesttalk21:
And your attachment has text that reads one verse is contradicted by others? Please show me.

Please read your own text....

Lol....Someone showed you Quran 8:39...and u claimed that verse is not in the original text....which prompted the person to ask you.. are u saying you now have contradictions in your religious text??

What's hard Here that you don't understand.?

If the original text is different from the codex Caliph Uthman gave u pple, show us....its thats simple....but u are beating about the bush playing with words ...we are not children here sir..

advanceDNA:
Please read your own text....

Lol....Someone showed you Quran 8:39...and u claimed that verse is not in the original text....which prompted the person to ask you.. are u saying you now have contradictions in your religious text??

What's hard Here that you don't understand.?

If the original text is different from the codex Caliph Uthman gave u pple, show us....its thats simple....but u are beating about the bush playing with words ...we are not children here sir..

It's getting absolutely obvious that logical discussion cannot be done here. Please show where or 'how insisting on translation that isn't in the original text' equals that verse is not in the original text!

Then the one whos brief you take goes on to say I state one verse is contradicted by another or others. Really?

RightChanneI:
You said there are many verses that contradict what was written down in quran 8:39, Yes or No?

Who among these people is an author of confusion, allah or mohommod?

RightChanneI:
I thought you said the verses of quran contradicts one another?

Is Muhammad and allah authors of confusion!

honesttalk21:
It's getting absolutely obvious that logical discussion cannot be done here. Please show where or 'how insisting on translation that isn't in the original text' equals that verse is not in the original text!

Then the one whos brief you take goes on to say I state one verse is contradicted by another or others. Really?

Sir...u shot urself in the leg but now want to start playing with words.......are translation not words...are verses not words ......so what's exactly is this beating about the bush sir??

I ask again ...shebi u Muslim claims u dont have edited, standardized, or translated Quran?? Which one is now ur claim of something not being in the original ....??

I ask you again....show us the original that before Caliph Uthman edited and standardized with his companions

advanceDNA:
Sir...u shot urself in the leg but now want to start playing with words.......are translation not words...are verses not words ......so what's exactly is this beating about the bush sir??

I ask again ...shebi u Muslim claims u dont have edited, standardized, or translated Quran?? Which one is now ur claim of something not being in the original ....??

I ask you again....show us the original that before Caliph Uthman edited and standardized with his companions

You see why my starting sentence is. If you don't understand or want to pretend you don't understand seek clarity. What is the translation in this case and what is the original text if not in the Arabic language. Study the verse referred to an ascertain the exactness of the translation for the original.

Should I agree with you on playing with words we will both be wrong.

honesttalk21:
You see why my starting sentence is. If you don't understand or want to pretend you don't understand seek clarity. What is the translation in this case and what is the original text if not in the Arabic language. Study the verse referred to an ascertain the exactness of the translation for the original.

Should I agree with you on playing with words we will both be wrong.

Let's go back to 8:39....and get what it said and what you said ??

...U should fight until u eliminate other religions and polytheism and everyone worships Allah?? Yes or No??

Damn
AdvanceDna

Just exposing this guy
Like any sane thinking person can actually see


The only thing i enjoy in Islam is their women sha
They're the ones you'd wanna take home
Asides that
Lol. Except you don't know what they chant in their masjid everyday
That's when you'll think they're actually

There's nothing peaceful about that religion
It's death
Sex nd more sex

advanceDNA:
Let's go back to 8:39....and get what it said and what you said ??

...U should fight until u eliminate other religions and polytheism and everyone worships Allah?? Yes or No??

No problem but first ascertain the claims of rightchannel which you tend to agree with in closed reasoning.

honesttalk21:
No problem but first ascertain the claims of rightchannel which you tend to agree with in closed reasoning.

I mentioned you because u were hiding under polemics when u were presented with evidences of call to violence in your Quran against non-muslims .... Telling me to explain another person's point is just another desperate move at dodging which is basically all u have been doing

advanceDNA:
I mentioned you because u were hiding under polemics when u were presented with evidences of call to violence in your Quran against non-muslims .... Telling me to explain another person's point is just another desperate move at dodging which is basically all u have been doing

You come in with what both you and the one you support don't understand. The one you support and you claim what I didn't categorically say or have you seen it to clearly point out? When you come in based on what the one you support says it is in order you ascertain what you support as correct.
Then look at the verse you refer to where the arabic is exactly translated to see if it agrees with your misinformed view.

You presented no evidence. I give you the chance to recheck again so you don't deny. Is Quran 8:39 actually a call to violence against non muslims?

honesttalk21:
You come in with what both you and the one you support don't understand. The one you support and you claim what I didn't categorically say or have you seen it to clearly point out?

That's another strategy of dodging.... claiming we don't understand.....

Okay samir...why don't u explain to us what ur Quran means by fight and kill them until Islam dominates every where...

Explain to us what your Quran and Hadith means when it says fight and kill the Christians where ever you see them.....

Maybe u should explain what your prophet meant when he beheaded over 100 Jews Banu Qurayza, because he accused them of siding with enemies or allah..

and please sir...don't come up with that it's not a universal call bvllshiit...... because like I said earlier that's how religion works.......Christians do what Jesus did ....followers of ur prophet do what he did....and that's why we have pple still marrying 9 year olds among you pple and even Iran just approved the marrying of 8 years 9months old girls

advanceDNA:
That's another strategy of dodging.... claiming we don't understand.....

Okay samir...why don't u explain to us what ur Quran means by fight and kill them until Islam dominates every where...

Explain to us what your Quran and Hadith means when it says fight and kill the Christians where ever you see them.....

Maybe u should explain what your prophet meant when he beheaded over 100 Jews Banu Qurayza, because he accused them of siding with enemies or allah..

and please sir...don't come up with that it's not a universal call bvllshiit...... because like I said earlier that's how religion works.......Christians do what Jesus did ....followers of ur prophet do what he did....and that's why we have pple still marrying 9 year olds among you pple and even Iran just approved the marrying of 8 years 9months old girls

My name isn't Samir and your familiarity with the word/name exposes your pretence.
Which Quran verse exactly and hadith says fight and kill the Christians or that Islam dominates. This is what we are discussing

Let's finish this before you engage in gish galloping.

honesttalk21:
It's getting absolutely obvious that logical discussion cannot be done here. Please show where or 'how insisting on translation that isn't in the original text' equals that verse is not in the original text!

Then the one whos brief you take goes on to say I state one verse is contradicted by another or others. Really?

Did you think before typing the below? 👇or you don't understand what you said there in?

advanceDNA:
This is just another deceptive denial, leaving all I said to deflect....
but no worries I will indulge you.......the screen shot below shows the conversation btw the two of you as u tried to deceptively hide the violent 8:39 verse under the excuse of translations just as u have been hiding under polemics and your usual "it's not a universal call" ......

Which was why the RightChanneI asked you: "are u saying there are contradictions in your religious text ? since u muslims have always claimed ur text was never edited and standardized...

.....U further claim that the action of your prophet affirm those violent practices were not a universal call....so I ask....how sir?? How did his action affirmed it.....your prophet literally killed millions of pple justifying it with various reasons from lesser jihad, to claims they attacked him first, to claims they are his enemies or enemies of allah, and other excuses

See ....... the truth is .....thus is how religion works.....pple follow the actions and teachings of the central person/prophet/messengers of the faith they follow.....many things Christians do today are the very actions of jesus

So it is pure deception for you to keep twisting that the violent actions of your Muslims brothers all over the world is not becos of your prophet's past actions and Quran's violent text...

I mean..... 8:39 literally said u should fight until Islam dominates....if u have any original text that different from the codex caliph uthman gave u pple ...please show here us......

In one of ur prophet's past violent actions he beheaded more than a 100 Jewish sect known as Banu Qurayza, because he accused them of siding with enemies of allah...yet when ur Muslim brothers kill non-Muslims or whoever they tag as enemies of Islam and the prophet today.... u come here and hide under polemics and non-universal call.....sir you are very deceptive and it's a common practice among your Muslim to hide and justify evil..











The guy clearly showed you Quran 8:39 which clearly states you should fight until Islam dominates ...and it's one of the verse that's promotes violence perpetrated by your pple around the world today .

God bless you my brother, I love this!

honesttalk21 did you want to denial it?

honesttalk21:
Is it so difficult to answer a question pertaining to a discussion you jumped into before having your concerns addressed? Is this questionable morals or illogical arrogance? Did I say one verse was contradicted by others?

In your rage or rush no screen shot is attached.

I can jump into any discussion I found worthy of contributing to, you just have to be adequately equiped in defending your faith. Anybody can ask you anything at any time regards your religion, your book, etc but you must think before typing, saying there are many verses of quran that contradict another means your book is a book of confusion and I asked, allah and Muhammad that gave you Quran, are they authors of confusion?

RightChanneI:
I can jump into any discussion I found worthy of contributing to, you just have to be adequately equiped in defending your faith. Anybody can ask you anything at any time regards your religion, your book, etc but you must think before typing, saying there are many verses of quran that contradict another means your book is a book of confusion and I asked, allah and Muhammad that gave you Quran, are they authors of confusion?

Now my response was to advanceddna so this answer from you seems to indicate both of you are one person or you also don't understand this. 🤔👏.

Is it poor tact or mischief?

honesttalk21:
This is your wishful thought? How you falsely import your view into And when the inviolable months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allāh is Forgiving and Merciful.

Are you confessing that Jews and Christians are polytheists?

honesttalk21:
The verse from the Qur’an, 8:39, is indeed real, but you have it misquoted. It doesn’t advocate for forced convertion. In fact, there are clear verses that contradict that notion such as there is no compulsion in religion (Qur’an 2:256) and If they incline to peace, incline to it (Qur’an 8:61).

Qur’an 8:39 does not mean kill people until they become Muslim or tell me what use being a Muslim is to one who is already dead.
The verse was revealed in the war context of battle of Badr and ongoing persecution in Makkah where Muslims were being tortured, killed, and expelled from their homes. The word translated as mischief is fitnah, which means violent persecution and oppression, not disbelief.

Regarding the Crusades, didn't you explore the references I provided? They are well-documented events in history, noted by both Christian and secular historians. For instance, Pope Urban II’s sermon at Clermont in 1095 is preserved in medieval Christian texts and is settled verifiable history not propaganda.

When it comes to Nigeria, Islam has had several positive influences, including the development of Ajami literacy systems, Qur’anic education, trade connections across the Sahara, welfare through zakat, and the establishment of early legal and ethical scholarship in Hausa–Kanuri communities. Please disprove these or show clearly how these were not immediately and later beneficial to the region now known as Nigeria.

If you assert that the Qur’an promotes terrorism, please provide a specific verse that instructs the killing of civilians, rather than one that’s been taken out of its historical context.

Contradict that notion = your misunderstanding not the verse.

RightChanneI:
Did you think before typing the below? 👇or you don't understand what you said there in?

Do yourself a huge favour in getting the transliterated Arabic with equivalent translation to get clarity.

honesttalk21:
Do yourself a huge favour in getting the transliterated Arabic with equivalent translation to get clarity.

Is it the transliterated Arabic whatsoever that will explain your own right up?

Guy, you are in a great mess if you can't explain what you mean below 👇. Who is the author of confusion between Muhammad and allah or they are both?

honesttalk21:
Now my response was to advanceddna so this answer from you seems to indicate both of you are one person or you also don't understand this. 🤔👏.

Is it poor tact or mischief?


Contradict that notion = your misunderstanding not the verse.

Still exposing himself!

You said infact there are clear verses, in which you mean there are clear many quran verses that contradicts what was written in quran 8:39, am I one of the author of quran? I gave you quran 8:39 but you are now shifting the notion of what that was written therein on me as if I am the one that ✍️ it!

RightChanneI:
Still exposing himself!

You said infact there are clear verses, in which you mean there are clear many quran verses that contradicts what was written in quran 8:39, am I one of the author of quran? I gave you quran 8:39 but you are now shifting the notion of what that was written therein on me as if I am the one that ✍️ it!

It contradicts your faulty conclusions about Quran 8:39. Show in this verse where the original (not misinterpreted translation) exactly says Islam alone should be established. There's no shame in sometimes mistaken understand but you are too proud to accept your imperfection. Pride goes before a fall.

RightChanneI:
Is it the transliterated Arabic whatsoever that will explain your own right up?

Guy, you are in a great mess if you can't explain what you mean below 👇. Who is the author of confusion between Muhammad and allah or they are both?

Put the Arabic itself if it suits you better.