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You guys never learn. It’s the hope that kills

This jungle route to the WC is embarrassing and the way we overhype ourselves is so funny.

“..FIFA needs Nigeria at the wc ..” hahahaha. Una too funny for that country

Joezinho:
You guys never learn. It’s the hope that kills

This jungle route to the WC is embarrassing and the way we overhype ourselves is so funny.

“..FIFA needs Nigeria at the wc ..” hahahaha. Una too funny for that country

But u go celebrate if the protest scale thru

Omo I tire for that OG! No wonder after the fortunate AFCON win we missed 2 consecutive AFCON before these group of boys we are now castigating showed up!

elyte89:
Late keshi had d worst list ever in Nigeria 🇳🇬 to rep us in a tournament..baba carry uchebo, Gabriel , and oda names wey we Neva hear go World Cup

elyte89:
But u go celebrate if the protest scale thru

Which protest? lol. Who are the ineligible players?

Toylove:
If this thing later comes out positive for Nigeria, I don’t want to see you in this thread again o cos Wetin I go use your eyes see ehn…

I go dey here. And if you try anything, I go align you.

elyte89:
Guy nawa for u o …who u be sef …u be Congolese or South African 🇿🇦..any small petition from us like dis …u go turn prof wole Soyinka 🤣🤣

Sorry bruh. I too dey read

Mujtahida:
Naija must go world cup. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Lol. Okay ooh.

Bossoflife25:
Where are the curses and insults in my post? "Being Mumu" na curse? lol!
A faceless forum doesn't give you the room to castigate players who haven't lost in open play since a year ago. If you want to criticize do so with common sense not with mumuish sense. Simple!

unless you sabi the person reach house, mumu na confirmed insult. But since you wan turn yourself to pepe for players wey no sabi you, love and light to you and yours.

JohnBullMySon:
Last comment I'll make on this issue sha.

The way you described citizenship is not the way it works. If you are a citizen of a country by descent, you're a citizen from the moment you are born. Whether you have a passport yet or another nationality. it doesn't matter. Eberechi Eze, Olise, Saka, Musiala are all bonafide Nigerian citizens. Citizenship by descent is a citizenship acquired at birth not by applying for anything. So technically all DRC dual nationality players are DRC citizens to start with. FIFA also recognizes citizenship by descent.

Now in a country like DRC, the executive government which enforces the law, is meant to revoke Congolese citizenship for dual citizens that don't voluntarily drop their foreign citizenship after 21. Now, If the DRC federal government does not revoke it, the citizenship is still valid. it is not an automatic loss.

DRC deliberately doesn't revoke citizenship anymore because they don't want to. A moratorium was passed in 2007 to put revocations permanently on hold pending review of their constitution.

I'm Switzerland on this issue but the first paragraph is somewhat confusing. Yes, children born to parents of said countries are citizens by descent, but they aren't necessarily recognised by law, what they share at that point is heritage. They can potentially seek to make their citizenship legal by virtue of their heritage but by law they aren't recognised as citizens yet. So while Lookman was Nigerian by heritage, he still has to apply for a Nigerian passport, go through the process of verification before he was recognised as one.

My assumption is that the players in question were all born abroad, that will mean they didn't have a Congolese passport first, but a foreign one. It's of course a different conversation if they all had Congolese passport as kids before emigrating to Europe, but if the former is the case, then they'll have to have sought Congolese citizenship recently, I'm guessing above the age 21, which by law will require renouncing their former citizenship (according to Congolese laws). So in practice, I think the moratorium applies to those who have Congolese passport first and then got another passport much later.

FIBA recently recently refused Nneka Ogwumike's third application to represent Nigeria at the Olympics, past of their reasons is that though Nigerian by heritage, she only recently had a Nigerian passport and so doesn't show strong ties to Nigeria.

elyte89:
Sincerely…I am also with u on dis ,since fifa cleared dem ,so Dey re good to go

Yeah lol. That news about Congo law is a waste of time. Unless DRC falsified birth records for their players parents.

elyte89:
Late keshi had d worst list ever in Nigeria 🇳🇬 to rep us in a tournament..baba carry uchebo, Gabriel , and oda names wey we Neva hear go World Cup

All of them get the Same agent Harris...something.

Truidstarr:
All of them get the Same agent Harris...something.

U Neva talk anything concerning dt drc palava …seems u av ur own “sauce” inside nff too

Joezinho:
You guys never learn. It’s the hope that kills

This jungle route to the WC is embarrassing and the way we overhype ourselves is so funny.

“..FIFA needs Nigeria at the wc ..” hahahaha. Una too funny for that country

It has nothing to do with us but FIFA, you guys should rest, na this mentality dey make smaller African nations cheat una.

If FIFA doesn't approve, then what's the fuss all about? It's not in our power to advance anything, so saying it's embarrassing is no point

I'm embarrassed we're discussing a wuruwuru route to the world cup

JohnBullMySon:
I go dey here. And if you try anything, I go align you.

😂

lovewins:
I'm Switzerland on this issue but the first paragraph is somewhat confusing. Yes, children born to parents of said countries are citizens by descent, but they aren't necessarily recognised by law, what they share at that point is heritage. They can potentially seek to make their citizenship legal by virtue of their heritage but by law they aren't recognised as citizens yet. So while Lookman was Nigerian by heritage, he still has to apply for a Nigerian passport, go through the process of verification before he was recognised as one.

My assumption is that the players in question were all born abroad, that will mean they didn't have a Congolese passport first, but a foreign one. It's of course a different conversation if they all had Congolese passport as kids before emigrating to Europe, but if the former is the case, then they'll have to have sought Congolese citizenship recently, I'm guessing above the age 21, which by law will require renouncing their former citizenship (according to Congolese laws). So in practice, I think the moratorium applies to those who have Congolese passport first and then got another passport much later.

FIBA recently recently refused Nneka Ogwumike's third application to represent Nigeria at the Olympics, past of their reasons is that though Nigerian by heritage, she only recently had a Nigerian passport and so doesn't show strong ties to Nigeria.

FIBA and FIFA rules hold the concept of 'nationality' which slightly differs from state level requirements, i.e., citizenship ≠ Nationality. That's why I earlier said that FIFA won't make any decision from DRC's constitution and laws. They have their own rules.

However, citizenship is constitutional right conferred at birth. You don't apply for citizenship (birth and descent). You apply for documents BECAUSE you are a citizen. The government can never legally refuse you a passport because that will be unconstitutional.

Note the use of the word 'ARE'. Not 'ELIGIBLE TO'. They already are.

JohnBullMySon:
FIBA and FIFA rules hold the concept of 'nationality' which slightly differs from state level requirements, i.e., citizenship ≠ Nationality. That's why I earlier said that FIFA won't make any decision from DRC's constitution and laws. They have their own rules.

However, citizenship is constitutional right conferred at birth. You don't apply for citizenship (birth and descent). You apply for documents BECAUSE you are a citizen. The government can never legally refuse you a passport because that will be unconstitutional.

Note the use of the word 'ARE'. Not 'ELIGIBLE TO'. They already are.

We go need trace dis guy go aws 😏😏😏😏

semid4lyfe:
I'm embarrassed we're discussing a wuruwuru route to the world cup

Bro I will pick Us going thru d World Cup in an embarrassing manner Dan win afcon with prestige 😊

U

Bossoflife25:
Baba leave those guys to their hat.... They are on the list and nothing anyone can do about it.
When Keshi was calling up Agbo, Mba etc no one talked about Federal character then!
When Finidi sabotaged us by calling up Sadiq, Tiamiyu etc nobody remember federal character or what about Amas playing in Ethiopia.
It is only when the name is Musa or Usman dem dey remember federal character. Such dishonest group of humans!

Their hypocrisy is dangerous. Very devious and evil hyoocrisy. Someone is literally calling for the country to divide becauase Usman was listed in a 28 man squad. If no one want to call it out i stand here gidigba to put their evil hypocrisy in their faces

Is he right?

joelsteron:
Is he right?

I mean, I see where he's coming from. Those three have an annoying habit of folding in major games. It has happened at least twice now.

QueenJazz:
I mean, I see where he's coming from. Those three have an annoying habit of folding in major games. It has happened at least twice now.

You no lie o

JohnBullMySon:
FIBA and FIFA rules hold the concept of 'nationality' which slightly differs from state level requirements, i.e., citizenship ≠ Nationality. That's why I earlier said that FIFA won't make any decision from DRC's constitution and laws. They have their own rules.

However, citizenship is constitutional right conferred at birth. You don't apply for citizenship (birth and descent). You apply for documents BECAUSE you are a citizen. The government can never legally refuse you a passport because that will be unconstitutional.

Note the use of the word 'ARE'. Not 'ELIGIBLE TO'. They already are.

The debate isn't about the constitutionality of citizenship, but it's application in law. The players being Congolese aren't in dispute but FIFA is a third party organization, and wouldn't just take their words for it. It will require presenting the necessary credentials like passport to validate said citizenship.

So while Lookman for instance is Nigerian the day he was born, Nigeria simply can't include his name in a list and send to FIFA, Lookman must first get a passport that validates his Nigerian citizenry which is the credentials FIFA recognises, this verification process by the way applies to every player irrespective of wherever they are born.

The proponents of the conversation are arguing that the players by Congolese law are required to have renounced previous citizenship before being granted their passports and by implication can't be recognised by FIFA as Congolese since thier refusal to renounce makes their passports null and void. It's more like the fruit of the poisonous tree kind of thing. I'm not even positing that this argument is correct or will fly, but this appears to me as the argument being made. So the argument in essence is that the Congolese FA flouted their own constitutional requirements for citizenship to get players through the back door

lovewins:
The debate isn't about the constitutionality of citizenship, but it's application in law. The players being Congolese aren't in dispute but FIFA is a third party organization, and wouldn't just take their words for it. It will require presenting the necessary credentials like passport to validate said citizenship.

So while Lookman for instance is Nigerian the day he was born, Nigeria simply can't include his name in a list and send to FIFA, Lookman must first get a passport that validates his Nigerian citizenry which is the credentials FIFA recognises, this verification process by the way applies to every player irrespective of wherever they are born.

The proponents of the conversation are arguing that the players by Congolese law are required to have renounced previous citizenship before being granted their passports and by implication can't be recognised by FIFA as Congolese since thier refusal to renounce makes their passports null and void. It's more like the fruit of the poisonous tree kind of thing. I'm not even positing that this argument is correct or will fly, but this appears to me as the argument being made. So the argument in essence is that the Congolese FA flouted their own constitutional requirements for citizenship to get players through the back door

I don’t just want to argue initially but you nailed it here. Most of us Nigerians don’t understand how the western or global world works. Just like you said it’s all about documentation to verify any claim just like it was found out about the SA player who had two yellow cards to be suspended, was it documented that he was suspended? Of course yes and that’s it. It has nothing to do with what anyone said at any time but paper and documentation to back up any claim. What Congo needs to do is to back up whatever they claim with documentation or credentials as you call it and all arguments will cease including those talking about wuruwuru. In fact I will be happy for DRC if all documentation shows they are in order but if not o ti lo.

elyte89:
Bro I will pick Us going thru d World Cup in an embarrassing manner Dan win afcon with prestige 😊

Well, different stokes for different folks.

I'll always pick winning AFCON over world cup qualification or even exiting at the semi-final stage in the world cup.

A semi-final world cup performance is history, and ultimately ends in 'una try". Also, the pain of losing at that stage will be too excruciating and linger for a long time.

An AFCON victory on the other hand is a trophy. Nigeria writes its name in gold, and not mere footnotes.

Also AFCON titles and not world cup appearances/performances define the African giants in football, Egypt, Cameroon, G.h.a.n.a, Nigeria and Cote d'voire.

Winning the AFCON gives us bragging rights over our continental rivals and solidifies our status as African Giants.

So for me, give me the AFCON trophy. History remembers winners, not brave losers.

elyte89:
U Neva talk anything concerning dt drc palava …seems u av ur own “sauce” inside nff too

Na Siddon look I dey. If e happen..all well and good...no show ...all well and good...I am at peace.

Truidstarr:
Na Siddon look I dey. If e happen..all well and good...no show ...all well and good...I am at peace.

That’s the right spirit, no be do or die jare!

CapitalCee:
U

Their hypocrisy is dangerous. Very devious and evil hyoocrisy. Someone is literally calling for the country to divide becauase Usman was listed in a 28 man squad. If no one want to call it out i stand here gidigba to put their evil hypocrisy in their faces

Bro...please go back and read the thread of the conversation...the monicker based his call for division based on bad news he reads everyday online. It had nothing to do with Usman invitation. Please correct your impression.

I no wan put body for this matter.

But the same person wey talk say fifa no go remove S.A point, the same person wey dem no go no remove second place point, na still the same person Dey pessimistic.

This should give you your answer already, DRC is screwed.

I don’t want us to go, but see fifa rule is fifa rule, and once it’s up, and they look into it, then it’s most likely true.

Odunayaw:
Ah so he was part of that crew with Joe? Hian!

Libya, SA, then this.

With all the deliberate acts of terrorism by Libya on our players it was amazing or amusing how some folks were trying to defend the Libyans.

No matter how horrible the Nff or our players are Nigeria cannot and should never always take responsibility or bear the brunt for the foolish acts by other nations!

lovewins:
The debate isn't about the constitutionality of citizenship, but it's application in law. The players being Congolese aren't in dispute but FIFA is a third party organization, and wouldn't just take their words for it. It will require presenting the necessary credentials like passport to validate said citizenship.

So while Lookman for instance is Nigerian the day he was born, Nigeria simply can't include his name in a list and send to FIFA, Lookman must first get a passport that validates his Nigerian citizenry which is the credentials FIFA recognises, this verification process by the way applies to every player irrespective of wherever they are born.

The proponents of the conversation are arguing that the players by Congolese law are required to have renounced previous citizenship before being granted their passports and by implication can't be recognised by FIFA as Congolese since thier refusal to renounce makes their passports null and void. It's more like the fruit of the poisonous tree kind of thing. I'm not even positing that this argument is correct or will fly, but this appears to me as the argument being made. So the argument in essence is that the Congolese FA flouted their own constitutional requirements for citizenship to get players through the back door

They have presented valid Congolese passports to FIFA. That’s why they’re able to switch.

Only DRC can validate a DRC passport. So If DRC government says their passport is valid. Then it is valid pending other FIFA requirements such has showing actual connection to the country via descent.

FIFA does not have the jurisdiction to interpret or even debate DRC law, or her failure to uphold it. Their refusal to renounce is not FIFAs business.

JohnBullMySon:
They have presented valid Congolese passports to FIFA. That’s why they’re able to switch.

Only DRC can validate a DRC passport. So If DRC government says their passport is valid. Then it is valid pending other FIFA requirements such has showing actual connection to the country via descent.

FIFA does not have the jurisdiction to interpret or even debate DRC law, or her failure to uphold it. Their refusal to renounce is not FIFAs business.

You funny sha