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Roycemadeit:
For those who deem wrong doing to be due to the influence of spiritual entities, statements like “the devil made me do it” come from their belief system. However, their claim is not based on direct observation but on religious teaching.

Roycemadeit:

If a child is caught stealing and claims, “the devil made me do it,” the parent still holds the child accountable because it was the child who acted. Blaming a supernatural entity removes human agency entirely. Moral accountability only makes sense when humans themselves are understood as the actors of their deeds, not as passive vessels manipulated by external forces. Responsibility cannot be shifted to imaginary agents without undermining ethics and observable behaviour.

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word Adam will die if he rebel against God's order {Genesis 2:17} Satan lied telling Eve they won't die for real {Genesis 3:4} so only believers in the Bible have the accurate knowledge about the condition of the death which is a complete return to non-existence {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} not to continue existing somewhere else because that's the lie Satan (not God) told Eve. John 8:44

So true Christians believe that at death a sinner has been acquainted of his sins {Romans 6:7} the only hope for such a sinner if he lived by conscience is the resurrection which God promised both the righteous and the unrighteous! Act 24:15

The RIGHTEOUS are faithful servants of God who have lived by His rules so He declared them "righteous"
The UNRIGHTEOUS are people who lived by their God's given conscience though they don't know God's laws but they strive to do what their conscience permits {Romans 2:14-15} so God will remember them for living by the golden rule. Matthew 7:12

Those that have had it all are the WICKED this ones doesn't fear God or man and they have rendered their conscience dead so they will never be recalled back to life after their death! Psalms 9:17

Dtruthspeaker:
Is there anyplace in the world where that statement "the devil made me do it” has never been made?

No, there is no place or culture or race where it has never been made.

So, that tells you that it is part of "direct observation".

Roycemadeit:
Right? Given that the devil doesn't only exist in Abrahamic religions...

Roycemadeit:
I’ve read your submission carefully, and it seems that your conclusion about death being complete non-existence comes more from dogma, doctrine, and tenets than from the Bible itself.
While you rely on Ecclesiastes 9:5 -10, other passages suggest continued awareness after death, such as Luke 16:19 -31 and Philippians 1:23. These verses complicate the picture and show that the Bible does not present death in only one way.

Your categories of the righteous, the conscientious, and the wicked also simplify a complex biblical message.

Romans 2:14–15, Matthew 7:21–23, and Revelation 20:11–15 indicate that conscience alone is not enough, and resurrection does not guarantee salvation.

Yet your argument seems to rely on selective verses that support your preferred framework, ignoring others that present a broader and sometimes contradictory perspective.

In short, the sense of certainty in your interpretation is shaped by your chosen dogma rather than the full scope of Scripture.

The Bible contains multiple views on death, resurrection, and judgment, and any claim that presents only one interpretation as absolute overlooks passages that challenge it.

Dtruthspeaker:
I told you up here that "Acting under orders is not a defence to an offence. A rapist still remains guilty like the Muslim who was found guilty of raping his wife, even when he said Islam permits him.

That is why you see God punished male and female Adam, even when they blamed another person for making them commit an offence.

So responsibility for doing a wrong is never shifted simply because someone made you commit the crime.

I bet you do not know that even your criminal laws state that, someone who counsels another to commit a crime is treated as a principal offender, liable for the same offense and punishment as if they committed it themselves, often called an abettor, accomplice, aider, or procurer. (Sections 7 of the criminal code)

And it is under here you see why God punished the serpent along with Adam male and female

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you have moved post to doesn't exist, whereas the whole world confess their experiencing his touch and influence.

Roycemadeit:
Yes, you have silenced me, with facts, of course. You can define knowingness; now try defining belief and faith, and show me how they connect to reality...

MaxInDHouse:
When you are satisfied arguing with the misinformed churchgoers remember i'm not one of them our unfinished business is still pending if you are still interested:

Roycemadeit:
Good.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Roycemadeit:
I would want to know this "whole world" that confesses this experiences and influences.

Dtruthspeaker:
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Bbc
Crossbow killer said 'devil' made him do it
5 Mar 2025 — Crossbow

FOX 2
https://fox2now.com
“The devil made me do it” – Man admits to murder on the witness ...

MaxInDHouse:
Please ask any of them to answer that question if truly they are Christians.

The Bible says:

But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper and deep respect. 1Peter 3:15

Real Christians won't insult you no matter the scrutiny or curiosity we must respond mildly and respectfully as long as you are asking sincere questions we must ignore when you choose to become abusive so instead of exchanging hurtful words we take our leave! Proverbs 17:14

Someone noticed this even when i wasn't thinking he was testing my patience:



So when you are ready let me know!

Roycemadeit:
What's this hope that Christians have?

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible God didn't create Adam to live for sometime and expire it was rebellion that led to death spreading to all his descendants. Romans 5:12
So the HOPE is to regain what Adam lost which is the opportunity to live forever as youths! Psalms 37:29

Roycemadeit:
The example given remains confined to a Western Christian framework. Cultures that developed outside Christianity, such as traditional African societies, Hindu cultures, or classical East Asian systems, did not frame wrongdoing around the Christian devil.

While many of these cultures acknowledged spiritual forces, moral failure was largely treated as a matter of personal and communal responsibility, often addressed through restitution, punishment, or moral duty rather than external blame.

The Christian concept of Satan, later spread globally through colonisation and missionary activity, introduced a model in which moral failure could be attributed to an external supernatural agent.

Your example exists within that belief system; outside it are long-standing cultures that maintained accountability without the need for the devil as explanation.

Roycemadeit:
I’ve thought about the idea of living forever in paradise, and it raises serious questions. Happiness only has meaning because sadness exists. Health only matters because we know illness. Remove all limits, and life loses depth. Eternal life without contrast is flat existence. Life gains value from its finiteness. Achievements, relationships, and choices matter because they are temporary. If life were infinite, nothing would feel precious or significant. Growth requires challenge. Overcoming suffering, failure, and change is how we develop. A state with no decay or risk removes the possibility of growth.
I understand endless life may read appealing, but it risks emptiness. Finite, fragile, contrast-rich life is what makes existence meaningful. Without those conditions, eternity is not life, it’s suspension.
So, I don't think I wanna have such life...

Roycemadeit:
To address the question of what happens to the Moral and the Immoral after death, I will not imagine as different cultures have imagined different outcomes and force one on you, but I will give you a few examples from which you may pick one which is true...

In ancient Egypt, the deceased’s heart was weighed against a feather, with success leading to eternal life and failure to annihilation.

The Greeks believed most souls went to Hades, with virtuous souls reaching Elysium and the wicked punished in Tartarus.

Vikings imagined warriors entering Valhalla, while others went to Hel.

The Persians, believed souls cross a bridge, judged by the balance of their deeds, entering paradise or a state of suffering.

Islam speaks of Jannah and Jahannam.

Christians of heaven and hell.

I do not claim to know what actually happens. Unlike Christians, I do not hold a belief about the fate of the dead. All I can do is observe that cultures have imagined afterlife outcomes linked to morality, but none of this provides empirical knowledge.

Belief is not proof, and I remain neutral, recognising that what people claim as truth about the dead is shaped by culture, tradition, and faith rather than verified reality.

Roycemadeit:
@MaxInDHouse
Many have been taught that paradise or heaven is a place of perfect happiness, but I do see fallacy in it, there is no way to remain truly happy if a close relative or friend are suffering or excluded.

To accept that, a person would have to put aside normal human feelings and conscience. The only way it would be a place of happiness is that people are changed in heaven, maybe their minds formatted, human empathy must be removed for happiness to be in paradise.

Roycemadeit:
@DtruthSpeaker

Perhaps, some history lessons...ehn?

Cultures that never encountered Christianity had no idea of the Devil as Christians describe it. The Devil is a figure that belongs to the Abrahamic religions. Other cultures had spirits or forces they feared, but not a single evil being opposing one supreme God. ..

Dtruthspeaker:
Show me the culture

Roycemadeit:
Perhaps, some history lessons...ehn?
Cultures that never encountered Christianity had no idea of the Devil as Christians describe it. The Devil is a figure that belongs to the Abrahamic religions. Other cultures had spirits or forces they feared, but not a single evil being opposing one supreme God.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the purpose of education at all?

Well it's to help you know practices and ideas that's wrong.

So if all other cultures doesn't see Satan the way Bible describes him but they all agreed that people often does bad things and many do support the bad guys to achieve their evil intentions common sense should tell us that there is a supernatural force promoting evil deeds.

Meanwhile the Yorùbás have existed for centuries if not thousands of years with the belief that there is a wicked spirit whose craving is to deceive and cause confusion leading people to fight and even kill their love ones.

So the Bible's description of Satan is 100% correct!

Arda1000:
funny man,so Yoruba people have the concept of satan?
Do you also believe in Yoruba gods too?
Or do you just cherry-pick the ones u want to believe to support ur delusional beliefs?

MaxInDHouse:
In each culture there is an atom of truth about the truth found in the Bible but it's only the Bible that gives us the clear picture.

Arda1000:
no u lie,bible stories are lies and fabricated

MaxInDHouse:
That's your wish nah.

Arda1000:
that’s the truth

LordReed:
Holy Andromeda! You guys need to get on this cos he is blowing away Christians left and right on this subject.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMftlybrOBs

If you think he is wrong get on his channel and prove him wrong.