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benalvino3:
Jesus must support adultery for telling those without sin to cast the first stone. Saying that makes it seem like he was trying to hang on the fence and actually supported adultery; otherwise, why would he say it?
You always gaslight someone into a zero-sum game. If you’re not hating him, you’re supporting him. Criticism alone isn’t enough. if you call out hypocrites while criticizing him, it’s seen as support. Eller, two things can be true at the same time.



There is no situation to manage. I still made my point clear to armyofone that trump was wrong, you are only proving my point that your criticism of trump is based on hatred rather that righteous criticism if all you care about is trump bad and other bad statement and things from the left should be ignored. cococandy who wrote an epistle about how they were warning us (like we don't know who trump is) is back to saying she does not feel sorry for Kirk getting murdered because he has a different opinion, same thing trump is doing. Now I don't see you saying anything about that, you are not obligated to say anything, you don't see me gaslighting you (like you are doing) saying she supports Tyler Robinson based on her statement. When you guys are hypocrite and don't adhere to the principles you preach, we are allowed to speak up about it.
you don't see anyone here saying people who get killed by a gun and is not a fan of 2nd amendment deserves it because they don't support defending themselves. at least I am not lying like she is doing that Charlie supports gun violence.


He’s a being just like Coco, who was speaking that way when Charlie was murdered and is still repeating it today. Yet she wants us to believe Trump is bad for speaking exactly as she does, while you turn a blind eye to some and shout at others. This is nothing short of hypocrisy.

Still writing epistles upon epistles..

Support Trump with your full chest and move on..

Youve supported him for worse things. Youd still support him for more vile things to come..

And for the record I have never on this platform written anything to mock Kirks assassination, like Trump has done to others who have lost their life. I am not on the same debased level as your mentor (Trump).

I have condemned killings, genocides on this platform back to back to back..I have condemned gun violence..

I condemned Kirks assassination on this platform and on top of that condemned gun violence.

So I am not the hypocrite here. Infact you are..for writing over 250 words because of one insensitive human being.

And like I have told you..Trump is unrepentantly vile. Don't hang on the fence.. you either support him or you dont..

Don't come around dancing around his attitude.. I stand on the fact that Trump is vile. Expect more wicked acts from him, and be ready to defend him.

Additionally, Jesus engagement with sinners was to achieve one thing - help them repent of thier sinful ways. Jesus did not go about worshipping the vileness of humans or individual rulers. Jesus infact condemned both the religious and political leaders of his day to the extent they wanted him dead. I dont think that is what you've been doing with Trump thus far for all his waywardness and highhandedness.

basilico:
The Free Palestine mob and deranged leftists didn't celebrate?

Some may have celebrated. But many more condemned it..and used the opportunity to also condemn gun violence in the US..something the supposed right cant open their mouths to condemn.

I have not seen in my life where folks cant condemn what is actually killing them. Its sickening.

benalvino3:
As a president you are expected to behave a certain way, but you can choose to be your own person not the fake person everyone expects you to be. Trump was an open book before he got elected. My criticism of him was he was making the murder of someone about him. that's not the time for that.





You still manage to conclude that my post supports Trump when I was actually condemning him as seen highlighted in bold, along with those who act like they have the moral high ground, claiming they’ve been warning us, yet do the same things themselves or stay silent when someone on the left in a high government position does it. This isn’t just about Trump; remember, Ron DeSantis isn’t like Trump, who enjoys Twitter fights and drama, but you dislike him for being “too conservative.” That’s the pattern here. You don’t realize your dislike for Trump isn’t unique; it’s part of a trend, especially when the focus was shifted to going after DeSantis, who they said was worse than Trump because people thought he might be the presidential front-runner. When you witness vile behavior but only speak out when it’s from the right, particularly from Trump, your outrage doesn’t feel genuine.

DeSantis would have been your new vile person if Trump was not the president and he does not have to be saying Rossie O'donnel is fat on twitter for you to say that. He is too conservative is enough plus he built a detention center for illegal migrant.

How does a post where I call out hypocrisy and criticize Trump end up being interpreted as me supporting him?

You cant be a staunch supporter of Trump and at the same time say you hold on to high moral standards or principles..its an oxymoron.

And Trump wasnt an open book before he got elected, he was and is a vile human being, but many persons like you have refused to see it. Trump has shown is hands multiple times, but many like you have chosen to support him either ways.

Open books have learner mindset, they continously improve for the better. Trump is not an open book..he is a wicked, cunning, Immoral human being.

Don't dance around.

bayelsaowei:
Still writing epistles upon epistles..

Support Trump with your full chest and move on..

Youve supported him for worse things. Youd still support him for more vile things to come..

And for the record I have never on this platform written anything to mock Kirks assassination, like Trump has done to others who have lost their life. I am not on the same debased level as your mentor (Trump).

I have condemned killings, genocides on this platform back to back to back..I have condemned gun violence..

I condemned Kirks assassination on this platform and on top of that condemned gun violence.

So I am not the hypocrite here. Infact you are..for writing over 250 words because of one insensitive human being.

And like I have told you..Trump is unrepentantly vile. Don't hang on the fence.. you either support him or you dont..

Don't come around dancing around his attitude.. I stand on the fact that Trump is vile. Expect more wicked acts from him, and be ready to defend him.

Additionally, Jesus engagement with sinners was to achieve one thing - help them repent of thier sinful ways. Jesus did not go about worshipping the vileness of humans or individual rulers. Jesus infact condemned both the religious and political leaders of his day to the extent they wanted him dead. I dont think that is what you've been doing with Trump thus far for all his waywardness and highhandedness.

You have continued to mislead or gaslight and miss all the points just to stay in an argument.
Light I said, two things can be right at the same time. One can criticize someone and call out others for hypocrisy. this does not mean support.

I have never you mocked Charlie, I said coco did. I only say you turn a blind eye to people who do and also acknowledge you have no obligation to on it.

Trump is being criticized and rightly so, for you to turn around and say i am supporting what he did because i call out hypocrisy is disingenuous. Trump is not perfect, like i said he is an open book. people know he says a lot of things, people know he attacks people and go after people who attack him. he has been like this since his days in Hollywood, and they don't care. those things are not important to them. Xi and Putin don't say the things trump say but they can make you disappear. many of the people attacking trump today praise those people.

writing 250 words calling out hypocrisy means i am the hypocrite, how does that work? how is that even a thing?

The way you are seeing things, is like this: If you support someone, you must not have a scintilla of criticism for them. how does that logic work? Everyone here knows I support trump, i am not hiding it, but how do you think because i support trump i must not criticize him? is that how you see things? this is a clear contrast for my way of reasoning and yours.

Trump did something wrong, i criticize him for it yet you see it as support for him because i said some people who are criticizing him also behave like this.

the Message of Jesus was for hypocrites, people who are acting like they are righteous when they are also sinners.
I have always seen this saying as an oxymoron "The Devil you know is better than the angel you don't know" but it makes sense when you don't take the interpretation of devil and angel literally.

someone who sees trump twitters will always pick Putin or Xi over him but who is most likely to make that someone disappear? it is Putin and Xi.

Same way Tyler Robinson was calling Charlie Kirk vile but who has the ability to take someone's life?

benalvino3:
You have continued to mislead or gaslight and miss all the points just to stay in an argument.
Light I said, two things can be right at the same time. One can criticize someone and call out others for hypocrisy. this does not mean support.

I have never you mocked Charlie, I said coco did. I only say you turn a blind eye to people who do and also acknowledge you have no obligation to on it.

Trump is being criticized and rightly so, for you to turn around and say i am supporting what he did because i call out hypocrisy is disingenuous. Trump is not perfect, like i said he is an open book. people know he says a lot of things, people know he attacks people and go after people who attack him. he has been like this since his days in Hollywood, and they don't care. those things are not important to them. Xi and Putin don't say the things trump say but they can make you disappear. many of the people attacking trump today praise those people.

writing 250 words calling out hypocrisy means i am the hypocrite, how does that work? how is that even a thing?

The way you are seeing things, is like this: If you support someone, you must not have a scintilla of criticism for them. how does that logic work? Everyone here knows I support trump, i am not hiding it, but how do you think because i support trump i must not criticize him? is that how you see things? this is a clear contrast for my way of reasoning and yours.

Trump did something wrong, i criticize him for it yet you see it as support for him because i said some people who are criticizing him also behave like this.

the Message of Jesus was for hypocrites, people who are acting like they are righteous when they are also sinners.
I have always seen this saying as an oxymoron "The Devil you know is better than the angel you don't know" but it makes sense when you don't take the interpretation of devil and angel literally.

someone who sees trump twitters will always pick Putin or Xi over him but who is most likely to make that someone disappear? it is Putin and Xi.

Same way Tyler Robinson was calling Charlie Kirk vile but who has the ability to take someone's life?

Hie long before we hear ,Impeach Trump for falsely stating that Rob Reiner died of TDS.
That lie is worse than arming ISIS,killing Gadaffi or perpetuating Ukraine war.
Id rather have someone bragging about stopping wars than one who started ideological wars.
Who doesn't know Trump will always respond to his critics , who spend 24/7 of their time sabotaging him.

bayelsaowei:
You cant be a staunch supporter of Trump and at the same time say you hold on to high moral standards or principles..its an oxymoron.

And Trump wasnt an open book before he got elected, he was and is a vile human being, but many persons like you have refused to see it. Trump has shown is hands multiple times, but many like you have chosen to support him either ways.

Open books have learner mindset, they continously improve for the better. Trump is not an open book..he is a wicked, cunning, Immoral human being.

Don't dance around.

this is projection and everyone is seeing it. I never said i hold the moral high ground which is why i am condemning trump and calling you guys out. nothing i have said here ever indicate or insinuate that i have the moral high ground. I usually use whataboutism and hypocrisy to make my complaints. You don't see me come here and start talking endlessly about Obama or Biden. Must times i defend trump it is because of hypocrisy from the other side. Many things they accused him of doing, they have done to him many times over.

Trump has always been an open book. before he was elected, he was not kissing the baby's butt, he was not acting like "I cannot hot a fly" he was combative, you go for him, he will come for you too. what you see is what you get. everyone was aware of this before they elected him and did the second time.

basilico:
Hie long before we hear ,Impeach Trump for falsely stating that Rob Reiner died of TDS.
That lie is worse than arming ISIS,killing Gadaffi or perpetuating Ukraine war.

if all roads lead to orange man bad, then anything you say about trump won't be enough. criticizing trump is not enough.

A democrat thinks billionaires should be taxed out of existence.

🚨 Texas Democrat James Talarico is running for Senate — and he just declared that Elon Musk should NOT be allowed to be rewarded for his success.

This is the new Democrat Party:
Punish achievement. Demonize prosperity. Replace earning with entitlement.

Talarico went full socialism in his speech:

“The reason poverty exists… is because we can’t satisfy the rich.”
“Elon Musk is about to make more money than every elementary school teacher in America combined.”
“Do we really believe one man is worth more than every elementary school teacher?”
“Why do we have a trillionaire when kids don’t have enough to eat?”
“What we can do is tax trillionaires out of existence and use that money to guarantee food, health care, and housing for every American.”

There it is — “Tax successful people out of existence.”
These are his words, not a parody.

Talarico pretends success is “hoarding,” not earned.
Pretends Musk’s wealth came from the government, not decades of innovation, risk-taking, and building companies that employ hundreds of thousands of people.

What he never mentions:

✔ SpaceX lowered the cost of spaceflight by 90%
✔ Starlink connects rural America and disaster zones
✔ Tesla created the U.S. EV industry
✔ Musk revived American manufacturing
✔ Musk pays more taxes personally than most states
✔ Musk employs more teachers’ spouses and families than any politician ever will

Democrats like Talarico don’t attack Musk because he’s bad —
They attack him because he proves their ideology wrong.

He didn’t wait for the state.
He didn’t ask for permission.
He earned it.

And that’s what terrifies them.

This isn’t your parents’ Democrat Party.
This is socialism packaged as “compassion,” built on resentment, envy, and punishing the people who build things.

Talarico said the quiet part out loud:
They want to tax innovators out of existence.
They want the government to decide who is “allowed” to succeed.

Elections have consequences — and this is what they’re openly promising now.

benalvino3:
this is projection and everyone is seeing it. I never said i hold the moral high ground which is why i am condemning trump and calling you guys out. nothing i have said here ever indicate or insinuate that i have the moral high ground. I usually use whataboutism and hypocrisy to make my complaints. You don't see me come here and start talking endlessly about Obama or Biden. Must times i defend trump it is because of hypocrisy from the other side. Many things they accused him of doing, they have done to him many times over.

Trump has always been an open book. before he was elected, he was not kissing the baby's butt, he was not acting like "I cannot hot a fly" he was combative, you go for him, he will come for you too. what you see is what you get. everyone was aware of this before they elected him and did the second time.

Please what principles do you hold from your words below.. please tell me.

bayelsaowei:
Please what principles do you hold from your words below.. please tell me.

isn't it obvious, how do you not see it?
as a supporter of trump (not hiding it) I can also criticize him and push back on those who are okay with others doing the same thing trump did and do it themselves, calling them hypocrites for double standards.

On what planet is not a person showing principle?
if i hate Obama or anyone i will be posting how Biden went to a stadium and hoping people would notice him and no one did or spend the whole day complaining why he is collecting a 10 million dollar book deal when he has not memory left in him.

Trump is not the devil, I have not seen you go after people who attend the church of satan the way you go after trump.

again, Charlie Kirk was a bad vile man SAID TYLER ROBINSON.

so let me ask you a question.

Tyler Robinson never go around being controversial with his opinion
Charlie Kirk did by engaging in conversations

Many people on the left call Kirk (From racists to whatever name you can think of)

But who took a life?

A guy who never go around talking and being controversial
or the guy who wants to have controversial conversation?

the guy who took a life will say he killed a vile person.

benalvino3:
isn't it obvious, how do you not see it?
as a supporter of trump (not hiding it) I can also criticize him and push back on those who are okay with others doing the same thing trump did and do it themselves, calling them hypocrites for double standards.

On what planet is not a person showing principle?
if i hate Obama or anyone i will be posting how Biden went to a stadium and hoping people would notice him and no one did or spend the whole day complaining why he is collecting a 10 million dollar book deal when he has not memory left in him.

Trump is not the devil, I have not seen you go after people who attend the church of satan the way you go after trump.

again, Charlie Kirk was a bad vile man SAID TYLER ROBINSON.

so let me ask you a question.

Tyler Robinson never go around being controversial with his opinion
Charlie Kirk did by engaging in conversations

Many people on the left call Kirk (From racists to whatever name you can think of)

But who took a life?

A guy who never go around talking and being controversial
or the guy who wants to have controversial conversation?

the guy who took a life will say he killed a vile person.

I dont see what you stand for from from your write up.

State your principles here and lets compare it with the person you support.

You follow and support people who project your principles, your likes, your virtues/vice or character. State your principles here my friend..

You are trying to hang on the fence.

You want to be with Trump, but then you want to also shy away from him when he messes up ( which you know he will always do).

Stay one place!!!

What do you stand for?

Do you stand for kindness, humility, fairness, goodness, empathy, truthfulness etc.

What do you stand for?

Once you support someone be ready to share in what ever consequences that comes with the actions of that person.

There is a reason MTG has withdrawn her support for Trump..

Once your principles do not match with the person you support you move on from that person.. you must not die supporting someone whose actions are rotten.

You just move on.. not dance around..

Evilthoughts:
If you were not an irredeemable illiterate you would know that Pan-Africanism and the One Africa movement promotes :
1. Black unity
2. Political and Economic Liberation
3.Cultural Renaissance and Reclamation
4. Social Justice and Equality
5. Economic Independence
6.Decolonization of the Mind
7. Reparations for African People
And others. But blind hate and arrogance will not make you South Africans see how this benefit you because you think living close to white people makes you better Africans.

The same bores who left for America? Another joke. The same ones living in Orania because

You're giving me a textbook version of Pan-Africanism not the vile one directed at stable and functional black countries and diaspora black communities.

The Pan-Africanism we believed in was rooted in cooperation, mutual respect, and shared progress....not in guilt, blame, or moral extortion. It understood that African and diasporic communities have different histories and challenges, and that no one people can be made responsible for the failures of the entire continent.

What is being pushed today is a distorted ideology that demands apartheid debt from Black South Africans and frames us as morally obligated to absorb instability, failure, and lack of governance from elsewhere. We reject this outright. We did not create apartheid, and we will not accept inherited guilt as a permanent tax on our sovereignty.

Solidarity does not mean open access without responsibility, accountability, or reciprocity. No serious nation functions that way. Expecting South Africa to provide opportunities, protection, and resources without respect for its laws and institutions is not Pan-Africanism....it's entitlement dressed up as unity.

True Pan-Africanism respects diversity, borders, institutions, and self-determination. It demands reform and accountability within each nation, not the transfer of blame onto Black South Africans and Americans as a symbolic stand-in for global Black failure.

We stand for cooperation, not coercion; dignity, not guilt; and unity built on responsibility, not fake morality.
Highlighting the shortcomings of both black groups and exaggerating your so -called hardworking nature doesn't change that African nations will never get the comforts black SA and Americans enjoy without going back to the drawing board and building up strong institutions. Strong men don't build countries, they harden citizens...but strong institutions build nations.

I will come back for that Orania part.
Peace !

Evilthoughts:
You black South Africans are simply insecure that other blacks will take over because they are more resilient and hardworking. It's envy and jealousy mixed with self-hate and delusions. Apartheid affected you badly 😢

Insecurity isn’t enforcing borders. That’s called running a country.

South Africans aren’t ‘threatened’ by hard work....we built institutions, industries, and a constitutional state under conditions you clearly don’t understand. What we reject is unmanaged mass migration from poorer states that adds labour supply without adding equivalent demand, overwhelms public services, and shifts the costs of other governments’ failures onto our working class.

Apartheid didn’t make us weak.....it made us very clear about what happens when people are denied ownership, accountability, and control over their own country. That’s exactly why we won’t repeat the mistake by outsourcing responsibility for nation-building.

Hard work doesn’t cancel immigration law. Resilience doesn’t entitle anyone to another country’s housing, hospitals, or jobs. If Nigeria is so full of opportunity and resilience, build it there.....like every serious nation expects its citizens to do.

This isn’t envy. It’s economics, governance, and sovereignty. Adult countries understand that

bayelsaowei:
I dont see what you stand for from from your write up.

State your principles here and lets compare it with the person you support.

You follow and support people who project your principles, your likes, your virtues/vice or character. State your principles here my friend..

You are trying to hang on the fence.

You want to be with Trump, but then you want to also shy away from him when he messes up ( which you know he will always do).

Stay one place!!!

What do you stand for?

Do you stand for kindness, humility, fairness, goodness, empathy, truthfulness etc.

What do you stand for?

Once you support someone be ready to share in what ever consequences that comes with the actions of that person.

You want to be with trump and the shy away when he messed up. That is the foundation of the issue you have. This shows why you can't understand you can support someone and not agree with them 100% or you can support someone and criticize them. I don't understand why you make this statements like it's a contradiction.

But just so you know, "Hillary is for they them"

Abortion,
LGBTQ Issues (General): Accepts same-sex marriage as law; supports protections for gay/lesbian Americans but opposes "radical" elements; no federal promotion of LGBTQ agendas in schools.

Transgender and Gender Issues: Opposes gender ideology in schools; cuts federal funding for programs promoting it to children; keeps biological males out of women's sports; recognizes only two genders in federal policy.

Religion and Religious Freedom: Defends freedom of religion as core right; supports prayer in public schools; protects Judeo-Christian values; plans Religious Liberty Commission.

Education: Cuts funding for schools teaching CRT or gender ideology; supports school choice, homeschooling, and parental rights; aims to reclaim institutions from "radical left"; promotes vocational training and American Academy for affordable education.

Family and Children: Protects children from "inappropriate" content; opposes human trafficking with death penalty; addresses chronic childhood illnesses; supports traditional family structures implicitly through policies.

Crime and Law Enforcement: Restores law and order; death penalty for traffickers and major drug dealers; supports police funding; tough on urban crime.

Immigration: Ends birthright citizenship for children of illegals; deports criminals; builds wall; ends welfare for illegals; focuses on merit-based system.

Healthcare and Drugs: Ends drug addiction crisis; holds Big Pharma accountable; addresses chronic illnesses; opposes transgender procedures for minors; supports veteran health.

I share all this principle with trump

Vote for Gavin Newsom who will not call someone fat but destroy your family. That's the common sense thing to do.

Evilthoughts:
You black South Africans are simply insecure that other blacks will take over because they are more resilient and hardworking. It's envy and jealousy mixed with self-hate and delusions. Apartheid affected you badly 😢

The myth that other Africans are more "hardworking" is self-flattery at best.. Look at your countries, nothing screams "hard work" ..

Lionessza6:
Insecurity isn’t enforcing borders. That’s called running a country.

South Africans aren’t ‘threatened’ by hard work....we built institutions, industries, and a constitutional state under conditions you clearly don’t understand. What we reject is unmanaged mass migration from poorer states that adds labour supply without adding equivalent demand, overwhelms public services, and shifts the costs of other governments’ failures onto our working class.

Apartheid didn’t make us weak.....it made us very clear about what happens when people are denied ownership, accountability, and control over their own country. That’s exactly why we won’t repeat the mistake by outsourcing responsibility for nation-building.

Hard work doesn’t cancel immigration law. Resilience doesn’t entitle anyone to another country’s housing, hospitals, or jobs. If Nigeria is so full of opportunity and resilience, build it there.....like every serious nation expects its citizens to do.

This isn’t envy. It’s economics, governance, and sovereignty. Adult countries understand that

The arguments youre raising are above the dude's paygrade, he's too simple minded

bayelsaowei:
There is a reason MTG has withdrawn her support for Trump..

Once your principles do not match with the person you support you move on from that person.. you must not die supporting someone whose actions are rotten.

You just move on.. not dance around..

People who share the same principles can still fight because they also have desires, feelings and differences in behavior.

I saw someone post this the other day and it sums up your recent post perfectly, especially about MTG

Ibime:
Owei knowledge of Bayelsa is better than his knowledge of USA, otherwise he won't be quoting Marjorie Taylor Greene here

IronGalaxy:
The myth that other Africans are more "hardworking" is self-flattery at best.. Look at your countries, nothing screams "hard work" ..

Mxm you know that type . Slogans and vibes type of Pan africanist . Always resorting to the " inherent hard work line".... hardwork thats so powerful it only functions outside the country🤭.

If Nigerians are naturally more hardworking, it’s strange that this legendary effort hasn’t accidentally produced stable power, reliable infrastructure, or functioning public institutions at home. One would think all that hustle might trip over a power grid by now.

Here’s the inconvenient truth that they will never admit to:
nations aren’t built by individual grind, noise, or survival tactics abroad. They’re built by collective discipline, systems, and boring things like rules and coordination.

What’s being marketed as “hard work” is often just survival mode ....constant motion with no structure. Impressive for escaping hardship, useless for building a state.

And that’s why structure feels threatening.
Systems expose chaos.Discipline exposes disorganization.Institutions expose whether effort can scale beyond the individual ego.

Real superiority isn’t screaming hustle in foreign countries.It’s having things work quietly at home ....without improvisation, aggression, or excuses.

But ofcourse … he will tell us more about hard work while the generator hums in the background.

Evilthoughts:
Another joke. Show me where the borders you built start and end . So you had a country ?Africans were always one before colonialism but you black South Africans are brainwashed with self-hate and delusions. I cannot wait for Malema to take over power so he will deal with you self-haters and haters of African progress and unity. You are not white ,that you adopted a white system doesn't make you any better than other blacks.

😂 LMAO oh here we go again, the “Africans had no borders” speech....always delivered from inside someone else’s borders, with their laws, services, and currency doing the heavy lifting.

Self-love and love of country are not white inventions. Discipline, institutions, and sovereignty aren’t “colonial trauma” ... they’re how societies survive. Protecting a country doesn’t mean you hate Africans; it means you actually care enough not to turn it into an unmanaged free-for-all.

You say we’re brainwashed for defending our country, yet you’re offended we won’t dissolve it for you. That’s not Pan-Africanism ...... that’s entitlement wrapped in poetry

And about Malema 😂 .... good luck having migrants impose a president on South Africans. You’ll definitely need that luck, because votes don’t come with passports, speeches, or online bravado .

We’re not trying to be white. We’re trying to be functional. Big difference.

IronGalaxy:
The myth that other Africans are more "hardworking" is self-flattery at best.. Look at your countries, nothing screams "hard work" ..

Funny this.

My sister, an accountant with like 20 years work experience in Nigeria, recently completed her masters in UK and got a job.

"Damn, they make you work for every penny here", she told me.

She'd arrive at work in Lagos at 7am, she said, because leaving for 8am when her office opened meant she wouldn't get there by ten. She'd do about an hours work, and by noon its break time, during which she'd go shopping at market and arrive back by 2 and potter around till 5 and be done and home by 7. Whereas, in UK she gets a 45 minutes break, and despite working from home three days, its work every single minute.

"How can we expect to develop as a nation working like we do back home when the competition here is draining every minute for the money they pay", she laments, glad she finally came over saying she's learnt more about work in a year in UK than she did in 20 years in Nigeria.

Hard working my toe, says I, but most wouldn't know of it unless they travel out of Nigeria.

budaatum:
Funny this.

My sister, an accountant with like 20 years work experience in Nigeria, recently completed her masters in UK and got a job.

"Damn, they make you work for every penny here", she told me.

She'd arrive at work in Lagos at 7am, she said, because leaving for 8am when her office opened meant she wouldn't get there by ten. She'd do about an hours work, and by noon its break time, during which she'd go shopping at market and arrive back by 2 and potter around till 5 and be done and home by 7. Whereas, in UK she gets a 45 minutes break, and despite working from home three days, its work every single minute.

"How can we expect to develop as a nation working like we do back home when the competition here is draining every minute for the money they pay", she laments, glad she finally came over saying she's learnt more about work in a year in UK than she did in 20 years in Nigeria.

Hard working my toe, says I, but most wouldn't know of it unless they travel out of Nigeria.

As a South African, this is exactly why we laugh at the lazy claim that “other Africans are more hardworking.”

What many call hard work across much of the continent is actually time lost to chaos. Long commutes because systems don’t work. Long days because nothing runs on schedule. Presence without productivity. Survival dressed up as virtue.

South Africa, for all its problems, still runs on structure:fixed working hours,enforced deadlines,regulated labour standards ,institutions that expect output, not excuses.

That’s why people from across Africa come here ...and why the same people who brag about being “hardworking” suddenly complain that South African workplaces are too strict, too formal, or too demanding.

Your sister’s UK experience proves the point perfectly. When Africans leave disorganized systems and enter structured ones, they don’t discover they are more hardworking... they discover what real work actually is.

So no, South Africans aren’t insecure or lazy. We simply understand something others romanticize away....a nation doesn’t develop on hustle, it develops on structure, discipline, and accountability.

Lionessza6:
As a South African, this is exactly why we laugh at the lazy claim that “other Africans are more hardworking.”

What many call hard work across much of the continent is actually time lost to chaos. Long commutes because systems don’t work. Long days because nothing runs on schedule. Presence without productivity. Survival dressed up as virtue.

South Africa, for all its problems, still runs on structure:fixed working hours,enforced deadlines,regulated labour standards ,institutions that expect output, not excuses.

That’s why people from across Africa come here ...and why the same people who brag about being “hardworking” suddenly complain that South African workplaces are too strict, too formal, or too demanding.

Your sister’s UK experience proves the point perfectly. When Africans leave disorganized systems and enter structured ones, they don’t discover they are more hardworking... they discover what real work actually is.

So no, South Africans aren’t insecure or lazy. We simply understand something others romanticize away....a nation doesn’t develop on hustle, it develops on structure, discipline, and accountability.

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Human Resources wise, SA is light years behind NG.

budaatum:
Funny this.

My sister, an accountant with like 20 years work experience in Nigeria, recently completed her masters in UK and got a job.

"Damn, they make you work for every penny here", she told me.

She'd arrive at work in Lagos at 7am, she said, because leaving for 8am when her office opened meant she wouldn't get there by ten. She'd do about an hours work, and by noon its break time, during which she'd go shopping at market and arrive back by 2 and potter around till 5 and be done and home by 7. Whereas, in UK she gets a 45 minutes break, and despite working from home three days, its work every single minute.

"How can we expect to develop as a nation working like we do back home when the competition here is draining every minute for the money they pay", she laments, glad she finally came over saying she's learnt more about work in a year in UK than she did in 20 years in Nigeria.

Hard working my toe, says I, but most wouldn't know of it unless they travel out of Nigeria.

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Let your sisters experience speak for her alone as this is not the experience of everyone. Sounds like she worked in one of the laid back govt offices in Nigeria. In the private sector things are tasking, fast-paced and demanding, and no one gets by via pottering around or wasting time.

DeepSight:
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Human Resources wise, SA is light years behind NG.

Explain this when you have time ,so that I can understand better what you mean.

Lionessza6:
Explain this when you have time ,so that I can understand better what you mean.

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The quantity and quality of professional expertise in various fields. If you compare both locally and in the diaspora, NG has one of the biggest and most accomplished classes/ sets of professionals scattered all over the world. In science, in arts, in finance, name it.

I am speaking generally, but specifically in terms of comparison to the black African population in SA which still has a long way to go on account of the many inequalities of the apartheid era.

DeepSight:
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The quantity and quality of professional expertise in various fields. If you compare both locally and in the diaspora, NG has one of the biggest and most accomplished classes/ sets of professionals scattered all over the world. In science, in arts, in finance, name it.

I am speaking generally, but specifically in terms of comparison to the black African population in SA which still has a long way to go on account of the many inequalities of the apartheid era.

Yes, Nigerians have produced a high number of talented professionals who are excelling globally, and that’s commendable. But numbers alone don’t capture the full picture. South Africa has a different historical trajectory. Despite apartheid, we have a larger black middle class proportionally, more black-dollar millionaires, and a functioning public service. That’s a level of structural empowerment most African countries...including Nigeria are still building.


Nigerians abroad excel individually, but domestically, much of the wealth is still highly concentrated among a small elite. In South Africa, a bigger portion of the black population has real purchasing power, (even though whites still beat us there domestically)... property ownership, and business influence. We may have fewer globally scattered ‘stars,’ but our structural middle class and wealth distribution are arguably more advanced.

Many Nigerian professionals abroad achieve great personal success, but if you look at public institutions, service delivery, and governance, South African black professionals manage more functional systems at scale. Our ministries, local governments, banks, and professional associations operate more reliably, even under challenges, than those in Nigeria

Talent is important, but so is the ability to translate it into sustainable, collective progress. South Africa’s black population has a critical mass in the middle class and public service that ensures broad social and economic impact...something scattered individual brilliance abroad doesn’t automatically achieve.

In short, Nigeria produces impressive individuals; South Africa builds sustainable systems. One excels in global talent export, the other in local empowerment and functional institutions. Both are impressive in their own ways I guess.

Lionessza6:
Yes, Nigerians have produced a high number of talented professionals who are excelling globally, and that’s commendable. But numbers alone don’t capture the full picture. South Africa has a different historical trajectory. Despite apartheid, we have a larger black middle class proportionally, more black-dollar millionaires, and a functioning public service. That’s a level of structural empowerment most African countries...including Nigeria are still building.


Nigerians abroad excel individually, but domestically, much of the wealth is still highly concentrated among a small elite. In South Africa, a bigger portion of the black population has real purchasing power, (even though whites still beat us there domestically)... property ownership, and business influence. We may have fewer globally scattered ‘stars,’ but our structural middle class and wealth distribution are arguably more advanced.

Many Nigerian professionals abroad achieve great personal success, but if you look at public institutions, service delivery, and governance, South African black professionals manage more functional systems at scale. Our ministries, local governments, banks, and professional associations operate more reliably, even under challenges, than those in Nigeria

Talent is important, but so is the ability to translate it into sustainable, collective progress. South Africa’s black population has a critical mass in the middle class and public service that ensures broad social and economic impact...something scattered individual brilliance abroad doesn’t automatically achieve.

In short, Nigeria produces impressive individuals; South Africa builds sustainable systems. One excels in global talent export, the other in local empowerment and functional institutions. Both are impressive in their own ways I guess.

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Very well and thoughtfully written I must say and I agree with much you have said.

However I will contest the idea that SA has more black dollar millionaires. I doubt it very much.

DeepSight:
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Let your sisters experience speak for her alone as this is not the experience of everyone. Sounds like she worked in one of the laid back govt offices in Nigeria. In the private sector things are tasking, fast-paced and demanding, and no one gets by via pottering around or wasting time.

Actually, First Registrars. But I'm not basing my opinion on her alone, nor is it my claim that everyone doesn't work hard in Nigeria.

I worked at my uncle's sawmill in my teens, and I and his own children slaved for our dinner. I also worked for myself and wouldn't say I was lazy. And Nigerians who worked for me in my early days in UK found the pace rather hard going.

I was home ten years ago and struggled to get workers for my farm despite paying double the going rate. People would rather go sit outside Kami, the state rep's, house and collect than come work for me.

Fact is, a nation where many go night vigils instead of resting at night can not be as productive as where most get a good nights sleep. And if we can't clean our streets or generate constant electricity, we are either not hardworking or unknowledgeable.

But all that's anecdotal. Check were we are on a productivity by country list and tell me we are as productive as some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_labour_productivity

Even our Gross national income is not to boast about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_national_income

benalvino3:
You want to be with trump and the shy away when he messed up. That is the foundation of the issue you have. This shows why you can't understand you can support someone and not agree with them 100% or you can support someone and criticize them. I don't understand why you make this statements like it's a contradiction.

But just so you know, "Hillary is for they them"

Abortion,
LGBTQ Issues (General): Accepts same-sex marriage as law; supports protections for gay/lesbian Americans but opposes "radical" elements; no federal promotion of LGBTQ agendas in schools.

Transgender and Gender Issues: Opposes gender ideology in schools; cuts federal funding for programs promoting it to children; keeps biological males out of women's sports; recognizes only two genders in federal policy.

Religion and Religious Freedom: Defends freedom of religion as core right; supports prayer in public schools; protects Judeo-Christian values; plans Religious Liberty Commission.

Education: Cuts funding for schools teaching CRT or gender ideology; supports school choice, homeschooling, and parental rights; aims to reclaim institutions from "radical left"; promotes vocational training and American Academy for affordable education.

Family and Children: Protects children from "inappropriate" content; opposes human trafficking with death penalty; addresses chronic childhood illnesses; supports traditional family structures implicitly through policies.

Crime and Law Enforcement: Restores law and order; death penalty for traffickers and major drug dealers; supports police funding; tough on urban crime.

Immigration: Ends birthright citizenship for children of illegals; deports criminals; builds wall; ends welfare for illegals; focuses on merit-based system.

Healthcare and Drugs: Ends drug addiction crisis; holds Big Pharma accountable; addresses chronic illnesses; opposes transgender procedures for minors; supports veteran health.

I share all this principle with trump

Vote for Gavin Newsom who will not call someone fat but destroy your family. That's the common sense thing to do.

Yesterday I kept asking them whom I should support and for what reasons
No names dropped forcing me to mention Obama and Biden.
Gov Newscum is a disaster.
Valero is taking a $1 BILLION loss just to get out of California.
The company is walking away from $1.1 billion rather than comply with Gavin Newsom’s mandates, shutting down its Benicia refinery by April 2026.
When a business chooses to lose a billion dollars instead of staying, something is fundamentally broken.
Here’s what this really means:
• Valero’s refinery processes 145,000 barrels per day
• That’s 8.6% of California’s gasoline supply — gone
• 400 workers laid off
• 200 contractors out of work
• The city of Benicia loses 17% of its entire budget
And drivers?
They’re about to get crushed.
UC Davis economists estimate:
+40¢ per gallon when Phillips 66 closes its LA refinery this December
+81¢ more when Valero shuts down in April
$1.21 per gallon increase by August 2026
That means your 15-gallon fill-up jumps from ~$70 to at least $95.
Stanford Energy Institute warns it could get even worse — potential spikes to $8 per gallon during supply disruptions.
UC Berkeley energy expert Severin Borenstein says these closures could trigger severe gasoline shortages with unprecedented price increases.
And working families will pay the bill.

Foolishly following ideologies .

Lionessza6:
What many call hard work across much of the continent is actually time lost to chaos. Long commutes because systems don’t work. Long days because nothing runs on schedule. Presence without productivity. Survival dressed up as virtue.

I'm avoiding the South African comparison, but the above rings true. My sister would leave Ikotun at 5am to get to Eric Moore by 7 or not get there till after 10, and that's not part of work but would definitely drain her considerably.

cococandy:
How could anyone who’s actually observed Trump be surprised? Genuinely asking because are we supposed to sit here and pretend that this is the most newsworthy disgusting thing he’s said? 50+ years of documented history of being a garbage, perverted conman and people still fell for it.

They’ve been staunchly behind him no matter what. Instead of quietly eating the constant embarrassment that is the lot of any Trump supporter, they are here trying to score some points for the weak lukewarm disapproval they think means something. Mtchew. 🙄

They’re probably in their hive mind with this faux disapproval of Trump because someone high up in their republican echo chamber said something similar.

Give them less than 24 hours and you’ll see them supporting something worse that Trump is doing.

Very well said.