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Holy Andromeda! You guys need to get on this cos he is blowing away Christians left and right on this subject.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMftlybrOBs

If you think he is wrong get on his channel and prove him wrong.

LordReed:
Holy Andromeda! You guys need to get on this cos he is blowing away Christians left and right on this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMftlybrOBs
If you think he is wrong get on his channel and prove him wrong.

At least you believe this person though he didn't say Jesus never existed.

So it's no longer the case of Jesus never existed shey?

This is becoming more interesting!

MaxInDHouse:
At least you believe this person though he didn't say Jesus never existed.

So it's no longer the case of Jesus never existed shey?

This is becoming more interesting!

Would you prefer it if he had Said Jesus was the archangel Michael?

HeatSeeker:
Would you prefer it if he had Said Jesus was the archangel Michael?

One thing at a time.

Was Jesus a historical figure in the first century Jewish community?

Yes or no?

MaxInDHouse:
One thing at a time.

Was Jesus a historical figure in the first century Jewish community?

Yes or no?

The Jews have never denied the existence of Jesus How is this a point that should be highlighted?

What is more interesting are the many claims made by people who profess or deny his divinity. Of which the most entertaining is the idea that the Archangel Michael = Jesus

HeatSeeker:
The Jews have never denied the existence of Jesus How is this a point that should be highlighted?
What is more interesting are the many claims made by people who profess or deny his divinity. Of which the most entertaining is the idea that the Archangel Michael = Jesus

What did Jesus say will help everyone to know his real disciples?
Is it what they claim or the doing of God's will?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
What did Jesus say will help everyone to know his real disciples?
Is it what they claim or the doing of God's will?🙂

How the doing of GOD'S perceived "will" is summarised to be Archangel Michael = Jesus Christ is what we need to understand here.

HeatSeeker:
How the doing of GOD'S perceived "will" is summarised to be Archangel Michael = Jesus Christ is what we need to understand here.

Do you believe what Jesus said about his real disciples being able to do God's will?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe what Jesus said about his real disciples being able to do God's will?🙂

Yes. But I don't remember Jesus saying that his real disciples will end up with the claim that the Archangel Michael is in fact Jesus Christ.

HeatSeeker:
Yes. But I don't remember Jesus saying that his real disciples will end up with the claim that the Archangel Michael is in fact Jesus Christ.

Good!
This shows you are ready for a free Bible study.
So get your copy of the Bible ready it's time to know from the Bible that Jesus is the Archangel Michael!

Are you ready?🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
This shows you are ready for a free Bible study.
So get your copy of the Bible ready it's time to know from the Bible that Jesus is the Archangel Michael!

Are you ready?🙂

Please enlighten me

HeatSeeker:
The Jews have never denied the existence of Jesus How is this a point that should be highlighted?

What is more interesting are the many claims made by people who profess or deny his divinity. Of which the most entertaining is the idea that the Archangel Michael = Jesus

By saying Divinity, do you mean that Jesus is the Almighty God?

MaxInDHouse:
At least you believe this person though he didn't say Jesus never existed.

So it's no longer the case of Jesus never existed shey?

This is becoming more interesting!

Kindly quote anywhere I said Jesus never existed.

HeatSeeker:
Please enlighten me

Since you love the question and answer style of enlightenment let's do this together by asking some questions and finding the answers through the Bible.

First set of questions:


By day the Lord went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night. ‭Exodus 13:21 NIV‬


Then the angel of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel’s army, withdrew and went behind them. The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them. ‭Exodus 14:19 NIV‬


Nebuchadnezzar said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” ‭Daniel 3:25 NIV‬




Who is the angel of God representing God Almighty whenever it's time to deliver God's people?

LordReed:
Kindly quote anywhere I said Jesus never existed.

If you believe he existed go and teach your fellow atheists!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
If you believe he existed go and teach your fellow atheists!🙂

Why should I?

MaxInDHouse:
Since you love the question and answer style of enlightenment let's do this together by asking some questions and finding the answers through the Bible.

First set of questions:


By day the Lord went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night. ‭Exodus 13:21 NIV‬


Then the angel of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel’s army, withdrew and went behind them. The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them. ‭Exodus 14:19 NIV‬


Nebuchadnezzar said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” ‭Daniel 3:25 NIV‬




Who is the angel of God representing God Almighty whenever it's time to deliver God's people?

This figure was never referred to by name! It is neither Jesus nor the Archangel Michael.

Truthseeker10:
By saying Divinity, do you mean that Jesus is the Almighty God?

Please read my post again with understanding.

HeatSeeker:
This figure was never referred to by name! It is neither Jesus nor the Archangel Michael.

Please do you believe what Daniel said in the below verse:


“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. ‭Daniel 12:1 NIV‬

Please note the highlighted in red and you are free to cross-check the quoted scriptures in any Bible version of your choice.

HeatSeeker:
Please read my post again with understanding.

Oga I have read it....does the word "Divinity" necessarily mean a Supreme or Almighty God? Is Jesus the Supreme and Almighty God of the bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Please do you believe what Daniel said in the below verse:


“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. ‭Daniel 12:1 NIV‬

Please note the highlighted in red and you are free to cross-check the quoted scriptures in any Bible version of your choice.

How does it now result to Jesus Christ = Archangel Michael? The ministry of the Christ is a separate thing all together.

HeatSeeker:
How does it now result to Jesus Christ = Archangel Michael? The ministry of the Christ is a separate thing all together.

Please it's not just one minute or two that i also agreed with the JWs on this matter so calm down and let's see what the Bible teaches.

So are you convinced now that it was the archangel Michael who has been protecting God's people as the angel representing God Almighty?

Truthseeker10:
Oga I have read it....does the word "Divinity" necessarily mean a Supreme or Almighty God? Is Jesus the Supreme and Almighty God of the bible?

If you have read my post you will not be asking me this question. You picked a word/phrase and you want to run off with jaundiced questions. Understand context. It will help you.

MaxInDHouse:
Please it's not just one minute or two that i also agreed with the JWs on this matter so calm down and let's see what the Bible teaches.

So are you convinced now that it was the archangel Michael who has been protecting God's people as the angel representing God Almighty?

Based on the circumstances of the times in which the prophecies were given.

HeatSeeker:
Based on the circumstances of the times in which the prophecies were given.

Good!
Now let's read some meanings into that same Bible verse for more information:


“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. ‭Daniel 12:1-2 NIV‬


Please what's the connection between the resurrection of the dead and a voice of the archangel? 1Thessalonians 4:16

Secondly Jesus himself said when he starts ruling in heaven there will be times of distress on planet earth {Matthew 24:7-13} and John said it's the Archangel Michael who led the heavenly armies against Satan in heaven {Revelation 12:7-10} Jesus said he is the bright morning star {Revelation 22:16} and at Job 38:7 we read that all angels are morning Stars.
Do you think Jesus could be one of them but having a higher position among them?🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
Now let's read some meanings into that same Bible verse for more information:


“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. ‭Daniel 12:1-2 NIV‬


Please what's the connection between the resurrection of the dead and a voice of the archangel? 1Thessalonians 4:16

Secondly Jesus himself said when he starts ruling in heaven there will be times of distress on planet earth {Matthew 24:7-13} and John said it's the Archangel Michael who led the heavenly armies against Satan in heaven {Revelation 12:7-10} Jesus said he is the bright morning star {Revelation 22:16} and at Job 38:7 we read that all angels are morning Stars.
Do you think Jesus could be one of them but having a higher position among them?🤔

Hold on there, Job 38:7 does not say all Angels are morning stars. The Sons of God are not specifically equated to angels. Sheesh 🙄

HeatSeeker:
If you have read my post you will not be asking me this question. You picked a word/phrase and you want to run off with jaundiced questions. Understand context. It will help you.

Oga what is the context of your "Divinity", Is Jesus the Almighty God? Simple question.

HeatSeeker:
Hold on there, Job 38:7 does not say all Angels are morning stars. The Sons of God are not specifically equated to angels. Sheesh 🙄

This are different versions of the Bible and their rendering of that verse:

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ~KJV

while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy? ~NIV


When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? ~NWT

when the morning stars sang together and the angels shouted with joy? ~ERV

That's why it's good comparing different versions of the Bible to get the message clearer!

So the spirit sons of God are the angels!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
This are different versions of the Bible and their rendering of that verse:

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ~KJV

while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy? ~NIV


When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause? ~NWT

when the morning stars sang together and the angels shouted with joy? ~ERV

That's why it's good comparing different versions of the Bible to get the message clearer!

So the spirit sons of God are the angels!🙂

There is no where in the Christian bible that Jesus Christ is equated with an angel. This is just non sequitur. To be honest.

How do you marry all this with Hebrews 1:5-8?

@ HeatSeeker
I believe by now you should be able to know why Jehovah's Witnesses say Jesus is the Archangel Michael and as for doing of God's will that's the one and only organization of imperfect humans who have used what the Prince of peace taught them to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, diverted their resources into production of food and information materials, stopped the making, buying, selling and using of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against their fellow humans. Isaiah 2:4
Jesus said it's by the love they have among themselves that everyone will know that they are his real disciples! John 13:34-35
And as you know that's the only group globally active in preaching and teaching from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13} making real disciples who are also doing the same thing! Matthew 28:19-20

Lastly when Daniel mentioned Michael in that verse he emphasized that only those with Michael during the end time will understand sacred secrets. Daniel 12:10

So when next you meet Jehovah's Witnesses don't just discard what they have to tell you because there are lots and lots of sacred secrets they know about salvation!🙂

HeatSeeker:
There is no where in the Christian bible that Jesus Christ is equated with an angel. This is just non sequitur. To be honest.
How do you marry all this with Hebrews 1:5-8?

For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance to him.”  Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”  But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.

The Hebrews were using the names of angels during prayers just as churches of Christendom are doing today so Paul had to tell Hebrews who have become Christians that the name given is not that of angels but "JESUS"

That's the import of these message.

MaxInDHouse:
@ HeatSeeker
I believe by now you should be able to know why Jehovah's Witnesses say Jesus is the Archangel Michael and as for doing of God's will that's the one and only organization of imperfect humans who have used what the Prince of peace taught them to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, diverted their resources into production of food and information materials, stopped the making, buying, selling and using of weapons and vowed never to raise weapons against their fellow humans. Isaiah 2:4
Jesus said it's by the love they have among themselves that everyone will know that they are his real disciples! John 13:34-35
And as you know that's the only group globally active in preaching and teaching from house to house {Matthew 10:11-13} making real disciples who are also doing the same thing! Matthew 28:19-20

Lastly when Daniel mentioned Michael in that verse he emphasized that only those with Michael during the end time will understand sacred secrets. Daniel 12:10

So when next you meet Jehovah's Witnesses don't just discard what they have to tell you because there are lots and lots of sacred secrets they know about salvation!🙂

Nice one. Anyway, I still don't agree. The points you made don't really follow and there are bible verses that negate them e.g Hebrew 1:5-8. Everyone in the religious space professes to have secrets others do not have. It is the most suspicious claim any religious group can make.