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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Roland17(m): 2:15am On Dec 19, 2025
Basilico, It is now 5 days.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 4:26am On Dec 19, 2025
Judge has been found guilty of felony obstruction.
What was she thinking.

basilico:
The brutal animal who was freed by a very "compassionate" judge.

Bondi Vows to Prosecute Judges Who Obstruct Trump Admin’s Deportation Efforts

She emphasized that these judges would face prosecution for their involvement.
Pam Bondi explained that the defendant, who was in court facing charges for domestic violence, had been involved in a violent attack on two individuals, as Breitbart News reported.

The victims were severely beaten—one man was hit 30 times, choked, and knocked to the ground, while the woman sustained severe injuries, requiring hospitalization.

Despite the brutality of the crimes, the victims were willing to cooperate with the state prosecutor, and they were present in the courtroom during the proceedings.

However, the case took a disturbing turn when the judge learned that ICE officers were outside the courthouse, waiting to detain the defendant, who had been deported in 2013 and returned illegally.

Upon hearing this, Judge Dugan allegedly left the courtroom, went into the hallway, and confronted the immigration officers, visibly upset.

She then instructed them to leave and meet with the chief judge, returning to the courtroom afterward....judge took the defendant and his defense attorney aside, using a private exit to allow them to leave, effectively allowing the criminal to evade ICE arrest, leaving the victims and the prosecutor behind.


Someone spin this and blame Drumph .

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico:
Roland17:
Basilico, It is now 5 days.
What is not clear about USDS repurposed to DOGE

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2025/01/21/new-executive-order-renames-usds-to-doge-how-this-affects-government-tech-modernization/

The executive order rebrands the U.S. Digital Service (USDS), originally created in 2014 under President Obama, as the U.S. DOGE Service (USDS). This renaming reflects the broader ambitions of the new administration to make government operations

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:19am On Dec 19, 2025
ono:
Many thanks Bas for sharing this info. I can never understand the cruelty, the hate and evil that drives people to think about changing the biological details that defines a child at such an early stage in their lives. I wept bitterly many times when I read how far demonic forces backed by cruel people - in both parties, left or right, have gone to inflict unimaginable pain on humans!

I am reading on The Hill right now that the bill passed in the House may not scale through at the Senate though - since it will be difficult for it to garner the required 60 votes needed to go through.

Oh Lord come, it is enough. Take us away from this cursed and evil world!
The left wants to uppend the society where what was abnormal is now normal. I'm of the opinion they want the society broken up into tiny little pieces , They are for breaking up families , having mixed races . They fear a christian society that will close ranks on most issues . They want gay marriages recognized , which they got but plan their weddings in church and force christian bakers to make gay themed wedding cakes.
As for children , I think it's more or less legalizing paedophilia. A 12/13 kid should be thinking of finishing school , not how his/ her new looks are drawing admiration from the left. This makes that child sexually active and attracted to "compassionate" adults hiding behind their paedophilia.
If you can change your gender it also means you can change your age and get to abuse children. Age becomes just a number that has nothing to do with your feelings of attraction.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by cococandy(f): 6:33am On Dec 19, 2025
Spambot misbehaving again. I don't even want to go into each specific word but I'd love to hear the opinions of the women who support/supported Trump. How do you feel about his attempted erasure of words women/female from official vocabulary of all govt funded institutions/program?

Is this your special place in society that you were so afraid trans people were coming for? Maybe Trump is actually the "trans people" that were coming for you this whole time and you're just now finding out. This affects funding for research that impacts women’s health btw. Just so you all know.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 8:17am On Dec 19, 2025
PDPGuy:
Who offered him the money? 🤣😂
Maybe raum or basi grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 8:35am On Dec 19, 2025
cococandy:
Absolutely. Let American children die because some thin skinned ignoramus can’t stand criticism. By the way, these are the same people who coined the term snowflakes.
I just cant wrap my head around how they process things.

Its sad and pathetic.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 8:36am On Dec 19, 2025
Immigration blamed for every damn thing but never guns..

Blame every other thing in the world but guns..

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 8:38am On Dec 19, 2025
cococandy:
Spambot misbehaving again. I don't even want to go into each specific word but I'd love to hear the opinions of the women who support/supported Trump. How do you feel about his attempted erasure of words women/female from official vocabulary of all govt funded institutions/program?

Is this your special place in society that you were so afraid trans people were coming for? Maybe Trump is actually the "trans people" that were coming for you this whole time and you're just now finding out. This affects funding for research that impacts women’s health btw. Just so you all know.
This is unbelievable.. embarassed embarassed
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 9:01am On Dec 19, 2025
basilico:
Fani Willis is asked why she paid her lover that $250 an hour ( sometimes 160 hours a week).
Her response .

Her lawyers body language He looks like he's been run over by a truck .
She responded well and correctly
Who she f.... is none of anyone business

Afterall their daddy Trump has a long list of sexual misconduct and behaviours

Why dont they face that ?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 9:02am On Dec 19, 2025
bayelsaowei:
This is unbelievable.. embarassed embarassed
America is likely not gonna survive Trump presidency

Heritage Foundation is really going hard and swinging at as many things as they can
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 9:05am On Dec 19, 2025
IronGalaxy:
The myth that other Africans are more "hardworking" is self-flattery at best.. Look at your countries, nothing screams "hard work" ..
You this South African again ?

I think you guys are deluded in thinking you are any better than other Africans

That was and has always been your problem
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 9:08am On Dec 19, 2025
South Africans have come here toohuh huh

For bleeps sake
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IronGalaxy: 9:28am On Dec 19, 2025
RodgersAkpafu:
You this South African again ?

I think you guys are deluded in thinking you are any better than other Africans

That was and has always been your problem
That's your opinion
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ono(m): 9:49am On Dec 19, 2025
basilico:
Judge has been found guilty of felony obstruction.
What was she thinking.
This judge said she was ready to take the hit for her actions. She will surely take that "heat".
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 9:50am On Dec 19, 2025
IronGalaxy:
That's your opinion
ok
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 10:20am On Dec 19, 2025
G
RodgersAkpafu:
She responded well and correctly
Who she f.... is none of anyone business

Afterall their daddy Trump has a long list of sexual misconduct and behaviours

Why dont they face that ?
Like you cant see anything wrong. She gets her lover an ambulance chaser to investigate a RICO. Paid him $250 an hour , hires 2 more lawyers with Rico exposure. Pays them less initially.

They spend the windfall on cruise ships etc using his business credit card . She lies she refunded him in cash ,which she keeps in her house.

The guy decides to ensnare as many people so that the trials can last longer .

The RICO charge was that Trump and associates got "fake electors". A judge last week ruled there is nothing wrong with protesting an election and the cases have been dismissed in entirety.The judge has allowed all those Fani charged to be legally able to claim refunds for attorney fees from the budget of Fani Willis office.
The cases she brought were just political, shambolic ill thought and should be regarded as a Conspiracy against the rights of Trump and his coaccused.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by RodgersAkpafu: 10:22am On Dec 19, 2025
basilico:
G

Like you cant see anything wrong. She gets her lover an ambulance chaser to investigate a RICO. Psyd him $250 an hour , hires 2 more lawyers with Rico exposure. Psys them less initially .

They spend the windfall on cruise ships etc using his business credit card . She lies she refunded him in cash ,which she keeps in her house.

The guy decides to ensnare as many people so that the trials can last longer .

The RICO charge was that Trump and associates got "fake electors". A judge last week ruled there is nothing wrong with protesting an election and the cases have been dismissed in entirety.The judge has allowed all those Fani charged to be legally able to claim refunds for attorney fees from the budget of Fani Willis office.
The cases she brought were just political shambolic ill thought and should be regarded as a Conspiracy against the rights of Trump and his coaccused.
🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 10:24am On Dec 19, 2025
bayelsaowei:
Immigration blamed for every damn thing but never guns..

Blame every other thing in the world but guns..
Talking about immigration and crime,rape in this case , this one should wake you up from your deep stupor

#news Poland has Europe's lowest r*pe rate because they have the strictest requirements on immigration from non-European countries, according to officials
#poland
Experts say Poland's low reported r*pe rate is directly tied to their strict immigration policies - while other countries with high r*pe rates allow unchecked migration from M*slim majority countries.
#muslim
Reported rape incidents per 100,000:

Poland: 1.3 - broader "sexual violence" reports are about 10 per 100,000

Austria: 25.5 - broader "sexual violence" reports are about 100 per 100,000

Norway: 42.1 - broader "sexual violence" reports are about 200 per 100,000

Scotland 53 - broader "sexual violence" reports are about 275 per 100,000

France: 62.7 - broader "sexual violence" reports are about 150 per 100,000

Northern Ireland 63 - broader "sexual violence" reports are about 215 per 100,000

Sweden: 84.4 - broader "sexual violence" categories are more than 200–250 per 100,000.

England & Wales 119 - broader "sexual violence" reports are about 315 per 100,000 (One of the highest globally)

Throughout 2021-2025, Poland had strict border controls and restrictive asylum policies for non-EU migrants, especially for those arriving via the Belarus border route often used by migrants from Middle Eastern and African countries.

They suspended asylum claims, reinforced barriers, and didn't grant entry to migrants from M*slim-majority nations.

Poland's M*slim population is one of the smallest in Europe at about 0.1% of total population - and those are not from recent migration but are historical communities with little growth.
#ChristinaAguayoNews
On the flip side the other countries allowed unchecked migration between 2021 and 2025, with migrants mostly coming from Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Iran—predominantly M*slim-majority countries— vastly increasing the number of M*slim communities.
#iraq
Austria:
Allowed tens of thousands of asylum seekers in each year, with significant numbers from Syria and Afghanistan.
M*slim population estimated at about 800,000 - 9% of the population.
#austria
Norway:
Accepted many asylum seekers from key groups including Pakistanis, Somalis, Iraqis, and Syrians.
#norway
M*slim population around 300,000 - or 6% of the population

France:
Among Europe's highest receivers, with over 160,000 each year, including many from North African Arab countries and sub-Saharan regions alongside Syrians.
#france
M*slim population about 6 million - or 10%.

Sweden:
Asylum intakes of tens of thousands each year, primarily from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia.
#sweden
M*slim population about 1 million - or 10%

England: Almost 100,000 taken in each year, from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Eritrea.
#england
M*slim population around 4.5 million - 7% - including over 1.5 million of Pakistani origin.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 10:34am On Dec 19, 2025
DeepSight:
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You are still spinning it.
.

What am I spinning.
Don Jr.: Now yesterday, there was a bunch of baseless buzz about some sort of, I don't know, ground invasion of Venezuela. The media just ran with it blindly. But instead, instead, my father delivered a speech laying out his record year of his second term. I mean, the ultimate Trump rope-a-dope. They think he's going to do a State of the Union-type address to the nation announcing yet another endless ground war, and instead, he just talks about the successes that they refuse to talk about.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DeepSight(m): 10:59am On Dec 19, 2025
basilico:
.

What am I spinning.
Don Jr.: Now yesterday, there was a bunch of baseless buzz about some sort of, I don't know, ground invasion of Venezuela. The media just ran with it blindly. But instead, instead, my father delivered a speech laying out his record year of his second term. I mean, the ultimate Trump rope-a-dope. They think he's going to do a State of the Union-type address to the nation announcing yet another endless ground war, and instead, he just talks about the successes that they refuse to talk about.
+
Have you read Animal Farm by George Orwell?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Lionessza6(f): 11:18am On Dec 19, 2025
RodgersAkpafu:
South Africans have come here toohuh huh

For bleeps sake
This is our forum as well since it can't seem to get by without mentioning our name for engagements 😅. We are now shareholders
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Lionessza6(f): 11:26am On Dec 19, 2025
RodgersAkpafu:
You this South African again ?

I think you guys are deluded in thinking you are any better than other Africans

That was and has always been your problem
Show me one thread ,one video or article where South Africans claim to be better than other Africans and I'll show you a 100 within the same hour from your peeps. Stop lying. You're butthurt because you met an African group you can't bully and shutdown with empty rhetorics without being challenged to provide facts grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Lionessza6(f):
Evilthoughts:
Yes, apartheid did make you weak. Why are you crying about everything from colonialism and African migration if you are not finished people.

You are insecure if you want to close off from competition from other more adventurous Africans who export professionals more educated than you to your country. Weak people.
Very weak indeed.

Apartheid didn’t produce fragility; it produced resilience, institutional literacy, and an understanding that systems matter more than noise. When the gates finally opened, we didn’t just hustle ... we built, sustained, and integrated into an economy far more demanding than most on the continent. That’s not weakness. That’s adaptation under extreme pressure.That’s why South Africans talk about structure, policy, labour law, accountability, and social cohesion .... not because we’re “crying,” but because we know what happens when systems collapse.

You call closing borders “insecurity.” We call it nation-building. Unity isn’t fear of competition; it’s the recognition that a society that doesn’t protect its social contract eventually eats itself. We didn’t fight apartheid to replace exclusion with chaos.

As for “more adventurous Africans exporting professionals” ... congratulations. Migration is normal. But let’s be honest,you export individuals; we sustain a system. That’s why people come here in the first place. Roads, courts, universities, hospitals, companies ... those don’t run on hustle alone. They run on institutional discipline, something apartheid brutality ironically taught us the value of.

So no, we’re not weak.We’re cautious because we’ve seen what division does.
We’re protective because we’ve paid the price of collapse before.And we’re focused on unity because a country isn’t a marketplace ...it’s a shared project.

Strength isn’t noise or bravado.Strength is building something that still works under pressure ... and that’s exactly what we’re doing.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 11:40am On Dec 19, 2025
DeepSight:
+
Have you read Animal Farm by George Orwell?
Yes I have not.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by JaceBlaze: 12:00pm On Dec 19, 2025
Lionessza6:
This is our forum as well since it can't seem to get by without mentioning our name for engagements 😅. We are now shareholders
Not only is it by mentioning our name that it survives,I am pretty sure 90% of its subsciber are using OUR MTN data grin grin
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Lionessza6(f): 12:06pm On Dec 19, 2025
Evilthoughts:
So your love for violence what you people call protest is what you claim is democracy and making things work grin. What have your violent protests achieved if not destroying the white man infrastructure in your country . What you people are good at is violence and entitlement to government because you can't do anything by yourselves like us. You destroyed Universities because you wanted free education unlike the foreigners who are happy to pay and develop South Africa.

You are now involving Africa in your weaknesses because I exposed that you black South Africans are weak and unambitious people . Other Africans own their land resources ,we are not slaves . We are not controlled by the white man in our countries because we chased them out of our countries. So now you admit that your white masters are from Europe they are no-longer South African now ?? I thought your white masters were blameless part of your DNA,what happened to that ?? So you want white people to keep your father's property for an economy? Wonders shall never end . You don't see why we promote Pan-Africanism to you people is for trade ? But you choose Europe foolishly and now want to complain.

You and your black American friends are the most confused black people Alive. One day you are proud blacks tomorrow you are white people in black skin. Embarrassing grin
Your argument relies on insults because it cannot survive contact with facts. So let’s take every single point you raised and deal with it properly just to expose you to your comrades.

1. “Your protests are violence, not democracy”

This is a shallow reading of activism shaped by your own political reality, not ours.

In South Africa, protest is constitutionally protected and institutionally integrated into governance. It triggers:

*Parliamentary inquiries

*Court cases

*Policy reviews

*Budget reallocations

That’s why protests here are instrumental, not symbolic.You see only burning tyres. We see:

*Labor negotiations

*Court rulings

*Cabinet reshuffles

*Policy reversals

*Different systems, different outcomes.

2. “What have protests achieved except destroying infrastructure?”
Let’s talk outcomes, not emotion.

#FeesMustFall delivered:

*A national 0% fee increase mandate.
*A complete overhaul of NSFAS, from a loan-heavy scheme to full bursaries for poor and working-class South Africans.
*Coverage for tuition, accommodation, food, transport, and study materials.
*Monthly living allowances—not charity, but citizenship entitlement.
*Expanded access for first-generation university students.

Universities still stand. Graduation numbers increased. The system adjusted.
If that’s “destruction,” then it’s destruction that educates millions.

3. “Foreigners pay fees and develop SA while you demand entitlement”

Foreigners are guests. Citizens are stakeholders.A state exists to invest in its people. Demanding access to education is not entitlement...it is nation-building.

Ironically, many foreign students benefit from improved infrastructure, funding stability, and academic environments created by the same protests you mock🤭🙆‍♀️😅.

4. “You are weak and unambitious”

If we were weak, we would flee the state. Instead, we confront it.Weak societies avoid their governments.Serious societies force their governments to work.

South Africans organize unions, student movements, civic groups, and legal challenges because we believe the state must deliver. That’s not weakness..that’s political maturity.

5. “We chased white people out and now own our resources”

That’s a slogan, not an achievement. If ownership automatically produced development, Nigeria would not export doctors, engineers, and academics at industrial scale.

South Africa inherited a racially skewed economy inside a functioning modern state. Dismantling it requires sequenced reform, not emotional purges that collapse institutions and scare capital.We reform without imploding.

6. “You are still controlled by the white man / Europe”

No. We are constrained by history, not obedience.Our economy is globally integrated, diversified, and increasingly linked to Asia, BRICS, and the Global South. Europe is a trading partner, not a master.

Strategic engagement is not submission.
Reckless disengagement is not sovereignty.

7. “You want whites to keep your father’s land for the economy”

Another misrepresentation.The claim that whites own “70% of the land” refers to commercial agricultural land, not the country. BIG difference.

Most land is:

*Communal
*Untitled
*Under traditional authorities

Land reform is complex because food security, employment, and export markets matter. Reform done badly hurts the poor first...not whites.We refuse to self-harm for ideological applause. We are not biting my dear Pan-African brother 😉.

8. “Pan-Africanism is for trade, but you choose Europe”

Pan-Africanism without functional states is rhetoric.Trade requires:

*Infrastructure
*Energy
*Logistics
*Rule of law

South Africa trades where value exists. That includes Africa, Asia, and Europe. Sovereignty means choice, not forced loyalty.

9. “You are confused blacks...black today, white tomorrow”

This is identity politics masquerading as analysis🙆‍♀️😅.

We are not confused....we are post-romantic.

We understand that liberation is not symbolism.It is systems, budgets, courts, and institutions.

Being Black does not require economic suicide.Pride does not require incompetence.

10. The core difference
You celebrate individual survival.
We pursue collective delivery.

You hustle around the state.
We force the state to work.

You measure freedom by who you chased away.
We measure it by what we built and who gets educated.

Different paths. Different histories. Different results.

Laugh if you like 😅
But the graduates funded by NSFAS, the policies shaped by protest, and the institutions still standing are not confused.

They are evidence.👍👌🙏
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Lionessza6(f): 12:24pm On Dec 19, 2025
Evilthoughts:
So your love for violence what you people call protest is what you claim is democracy and making things work grin. What have your violent protests achieved if not destroying the white man infrastructure in your country . What you people are good at is violence and entitlement to government because you can't do anything by yourselves like us. You destroyed Universities because you wanted free education unlike the foreigners who are happy to pay and develop South Africa.

You are now involving Africa in your weaknesses because I exposed that you black South Africans are weak and unambitious people . Other Africans own their land resources ,we are not slaves . We are not controlled by the white man in our countries because we chased them out of our countries. So now you admit that your white masters are from Europe they are no-longer South African now ?? I thought your white masters were blameless part of your DNA,what happened to that ?? So you want white people to keep your father's property for an economy? Wonders shall never end . You don't see why we promote Pan-Africanism to you people is for trade ? But you choose Europe foolishly and now want to complain.

You and your black American friends are the most confused black people Alive. One day you are proud blacks tomorrow you are white people in black skin. Embarrassing grin
When I said “Black South Africans are an extension of a weaker Africa, while whites are an extension of Europe,” i was not talking about identity, culture, or worth. I'm talking about structural backing in the global system.

1. “Extension” does not mean loyalty or DNA
It means where power, capital, protection, and recovery capacity come from when things go wrong.

In the modern world, groups are not equal because of pride or history; they are equal because of networks and fallback options.

2. Whites in South Africa are structurally linked to Europe regardless of citizenship.

*They have deep capital ties to Europe and North America
*Easier access to investment, credit, skills markets, and migration pathways
*Cultural, legal, and institutional familiarity with powerful economies

If South Africa collapses, they can exit into strong systems.This does not mean they are “foreign agents.”It means they have a continental safety net.

3. Black South Africans are structurally linked to Africa.Again, regardless of patriotism:

*Africa as a continent is weaker economically and politically in the global hierarchy
*Limited capital markets, weak currencies, fragile institutions
*Fewer global fallback options
*When things collapse, there is nowhere powerful to retreat to

If South Africa fails, Black South Africans fall with it.

4. Why this matters for policy and protest
Because of this imbalance:

Reckless disruption hurts Black citizens first.Economic collapse is not an abstract risk....it is existential.

Whites can wait, hedge, exit, or re-anchor elsewhere.Blacks must protect and reform the system they are trapped in.This is why Black South Africans are often institutionalists rather than romantic radicals.

5. Why Pan-African pressure often rings hollow.Calls to “burn it down” in the name of African pride ignore this asymmetry.

Pan-Africanists who already live in weaker states can afford symbolic destruction because the baseline is already low.South Africans cannot.

6. Black American comparison
Black Americans face a similar reality:

*Their fate is tied to the U.S. system
*They do not have a powerful “Black nation” to retreat into

So they fight for reform, rights, and inclusion...not collapse

7. The uncomfortable truth is that this isn’t cowardice.It is strategic realism.

When you are an extension of a weaker system, you must defend and improve the strongest structure you have, not destroy it to prove ideological purity.

Not self-hate.Not white worship.
Structural awareness!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Lionessza6(f): 12:33pm On Dec 19, 2025
JaceBlaze:
Not only is it by mentioning our name that it survives,I am pretty sure 90% of its subsciber are using OUR MTN data grin grin
grin grin grin grin grin oga you like trouble o
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Lionessza6(f): 12:38pm On Dec 19, 2025
Stolen:
This is your best piece yet.
Oga o grin. Are you sure this is really you shocked. I thought you'd come in as usual and accuse me of hating Africa and my black skin because I refuse emotional extortion and blackmail...because that's usually your M.o.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 1:16pm On Dec 19, 2025
basilico:
Talking about immigration and crime,rape in this case , this one should wake you up from your deep stupor
What reputable research link are you gathering these info from?

I want you to do one serious home work.

Using america as a case in point and also to bring you back on track (because you can digress a lot aimlessly)

Can you prove that immigrants (both legal and illegal) are the major drivers of gun violence in the united states?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IronGalaxy: 1:20pm On Dec 19, 2025
Lionessza6:
Your argument relies on insults because it cannot survive contact with facts. So let’s take every single point you raised and deal with it properly just to expose you to your comrades.

1. “Your protests are violence, not democracy”

This is a shallow reading of activism shaped by your own political reality, not ours.

In South Africa, protest is constitutionally protected and institutionally integrated into governance. It triggers:

*Parliamentary inquiries

*Court cases

*Policy reviews

*Budget reallocations

That’s why protests here are instrumental, not symbolic.You see only burning tyres. We see:

*Labor negotiations

*Court rulings

*Cabinet reshuffles

*Policy reversals

*Different systems, different outcomes.

2. “What have protests achieved except destroying infrastructure?”
Let’s talk outcomes, not emotion.

#FeesMustFall delivered:

*A national 0% fee increase mandate.
*A complete overhaul of NSFAS, from a loan-heavy scheme to full bursaries for poor and working-class South Africans.
*Coverage for tuition, accommodation, food, transport, and study materials.
*Monthly living allowances—not charity, but citizenship entitlement.
*Expanded access for first-generation university students.

Universities still stand. Graduation numbers increased. The system adjusted.
If that’s “destruction,” then it’s destruction that educates millions.

3. “Foreigners pay fees and develop SA while you demand entitlement”

Foreigners are guests. Citizens are stakeholders.A state exists to invest in its people. Demanding access to education is not entitlement...it is nation-building.

Ironically, many foreign students benefit from improved infrastructure, funding stability, and academic environments created by the same protests you mock🤭🙆‍♀️😅.

4. “You are weak and unambitious”

If we were weak, we would flee the state. Instead, we confront it.Weak societies avoid their governments.Serious societies force their governments to work.

South Africans organize unions, student movements, civic groups, and legal challenges because we believe the state must deliver. That’s not weakness..that’s political maturity.

5. “We chased white people out and now own our resources”

That’s a slogan, not an achievement. If ownership automatically produced development, Nigeria would not export doctors, engineers, and academics at industrial scale.

South Africa inherited a racially skewed economy inside a functioning modern state. Dismantling it requires sequenced reform, not emotional purges that collapse institutions and scare capital.We reform without imploding.

6. “You are still controlled by the white man / Europe”

No. We are constrained by history, not obedience.Our economy is globally integrated, diversified, and increasingly linked to Asia, BRICS, and the Global South. Europe is a trading partner, not a master.

Strategic engagement is not submission.
Reckless disengagement is not sovereignty.

7. “You want whites to keep your father’s land for the economy”

Another misrepresentation.The claim that whites own “70% of the land” refers to commercial agricultural land, not the country. BIG difference.

Most land is:

*Communal
*Untitled
*Under traditional authorities

Land reform is complex because food security, employment, and export markets matter. Reform done badly hurts the poor first...not whites.We refuse to self-harm for ideological applause. We are not biting my dear Pan-African brother 😉.

8. “Pan-Africanism is for trade, but you choose Europe”

Pan-Africanism without functional states is rhetoric.Trade requires:

*Infrastructure
*Energy
*Logistics
*Rule of law

South Africa trades where value exists. That includes Africa, Asia, and Europe. Sovereignty means choice, not forced loyalty.

9. “You are confused blacks...black today, white tomorrow”

This is identity politics masquerading as analysis🙆‍♀️😅.

We are not confused....we are post-romantic.

We understand that liberation is not symbolism.It is systems, budgets, courts, and institutions.

Being Black does not require economic suicide.Pride does not require incompetence.

10. The core difference
You celebrate individual survival.
We pursue collective delivery.

You hustle around the state.
We force the state to work.

You measure freedom by who you chased away.
We measure it by what we built and who gets educated.

Different paths. Different histories. Different results.

Laugh if you like 😅
But the graduates funded by NSFAS, the policies shaped by protest, and the institutions still standing are not confused.

They are evidence.👍👌🙏
Educate the ediot abeg, he's so out of touch I even struggle to take him seriously
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