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Odunayaw:
So you strawman what "will" means so you can explain what what "will" means normally?

Perhaps it's simply your lack of understanding. Political will without feasible systems, institutional frameworks, accountability mechanisms, and anti-corruption measures repeatedly fails. History shows countries with strong desire but weak systems don't succeed. The distinction matters because solutions require concrete structural changes, not just leadership claiming commitment. For instance, and without belaboring the details, China tried doing what Morocco has done today. They wanted to become football superpowers but they went about it the wrong way.

NasirIbnLaAhad:
It's not hard to fathom my brother. But I've noticed that sometimes people on this thread like looking for scapegoats and failing to understand the core logic of other people's arguments. Funny enough, I actually believe 100% that we can host the AFCON if we just get our business in order. It shouldn't be too difficult. But I also understand where people like you are coming from. I had to jump in because I found it bizarre to see people being heckled for saying they prefer that things improve instead of living in the past.

We might not need to do much if we set at it, we don't need to be like Abu Dhabi or geneva to do that, every country has it's problems but you have to also show you're somewhat capable too to dissuade the premonition those giving rights have of you. simple as that

Kilishihunter:
With all these cities your country despite adding Benin republic as co-host lost to Kenya Uganda and Tanzania who don't have a better GDP than us but would still be likely sensible than us. Common youth tournaments in Africa we can't even host, this is not 2009 when things were fairly okay. There's a general rot all round.

Because we don't want too and not because Nigeria lacks the capacity.


Nigeria has infrastructure to host AFCON.

Stadiums
Transportation (road, airports and train)
Good hotels
Inter city security


What else do they have we don't have?

Kilishihunter:
We might not need to do much if we set at it, we don't need to be like Abu Dhabi or geneva to do that, every country has it's problems but you have to also show you're somewhat capable too to dissuade the premonition those giving rights have of you. simple as that

Very well said. As long we continue to show unseriousness, FIFA or CAF is not obligated to serve you on a platter just because you are Nigeria.

NasirIbnLaAhad:
We need consistent upgrades nationwide, not just isolated projects. Hopefully they don't stall with this one and start giving excuses later. And I asked for figures for your claim about US insecurity. I didn't say there's no insecurity there, but I want to see the figures there that show that's its worse than the Islamic terrorism in Nigeria. You don't expect me to take your word for it now, do you?

Nigeria is a federation and most of the sports facilities are state owned including the one in uyo. It behoves on the states govt to maintain or upgrade the facilities. If the national stadium in Lagos was state owned I can assure you it would have been better maintained and upgraded. I think The FG tried to hand it over to the Lagos govt years ago but over sabi people kicked against the idea and today the stadium is still abandoned.

Believe whatever you want to believe about insecurity whether in the US or anywhere but the numbers are way higher than that of terrorism in Nigeria. The perpetrators identified as jihadists is what gives the impression that Nigeria is worse but in terms of numbers omo naija no near the US at all.

Maybe you should try play 240 minutes of football in two days first?

Elock1:
Then played nonsensically against congo

Football is not 1+1

Bossoflife25:
Debating with someone who thought we got the "Giant of Africa" tag cos of football is a waste of time!
When we were winning al those you listed where was Morocco?

oga if you think debating with me is a waste of time, abeg no dey quote me again na….small thing you bone don rise….
go back to my post and also see that i mentioned those olympic medals we do rack up those days are gradually vanishing that we no longer gather medals again…..
if debating with me is a waste of time, oga pack oneside and look for those that worth your time….una no dey like make dem dey point out some ills of this country……we are F’ing sport wise at the moment…na past record still dey keep us going

Bruhh! Please stop engaging these guys!

Goke7:
Nigeria is a federation and most of the sports facilities are state owned including the one in uyo. It behoves on the states govt to maintain or upgrade the facilities. If the national stadium in Lagos was state owned I can assure you it would have been better maintained and upgraded. I think The FG tried to hand it over to the Lagos govt years ago but over sabi people kicked against the idea and today the stadium is still abandoned.

Believe whatever you want to believe about insecurity whether in the US or anywhere but the numbers are way higher than that of terrorism in Nigeria. The perpetrators identified as jihadists is what gives the impression that Nigeria is worse but in terms of numbers omo naija no near the US at all.

forgiveness:
Because we don't want too and not because Nigeria lacks the capacity.


Nigeria has infrastructure to host AFCON.

Stadiums
Transportation (road, airports and train)
Good hotels
Inter city security


What else do they have we don't have?

Maintenance culture and organization.

Bossoflife25:
Omo! Olodos full here oo!

in your mumunness, u think say you wise….oga abeg gerrarahia biko…wetin dey do diswan wey wan dey form analyst 🤣🤣…..Analyst kowope

JohnBullMySon:
Most US gun deaths are suicides. Majority of what is left is gang wars in crazy neighborhoods. Innocent people are hardly affected. If 50,000 innocent people were dying in the US no one would want to visit bruh.

Btw Nigeria can host AFCON. Don’t know why they’re arguing it.

I mean, it’s Africa na. Highest thing is to upgrade the pitches to tournament standards and rent LED adboards from China. What’s there? It’s not like CAF will ask you to build a high speed rail or upgrade the airports.

In other words even with insecurity and proper things are in place any international event can be hosted. Period

1 Afcon
Zero Wafcon
1 U20 WC
1 U17 Afcon
1 U23 Afcon
1 Olympic Bronze
7 CAF CLs
1 WC Semis
1 WC Round of 16
4 CAF APOTY Awards
1 CAF Women's APOTY Award

Vs

3 Afcons
12 Wafcons (10 counting from 1998)
7 U20 Afcons
2 U20 WC Silvers
1 U20 WC Bronze
2 U17 Afcons
5 U17 WC
1 U23 Afcon
1 Olympic Gold
1 Olympic Silver
1 Olympic Bronze
2 CAF CLs
3 WC Round of 16
7 CAF APOTY Awards (2nd only to Cameroun)
13 CAF Women's APOTY awards


Now look at this and tell me how they are even close.

NB: I didnt even have to label which is which. You can tell who is who just by reading the achievements.

minfelix:
i agree with you small oo, but make Nigeria reach world cup semifinal first and also host senior world….the only record that still make us giant is the 10wafcon trophy and 5U17 wc trophy…aside that morocco don dey catch us oo🤣

Bossoflife25:
Maybe you should try play 240 minutes of football in two days first?

This ur excuse doesn't make any sense at all

Football is football
Did they play well or not (that's the issue here )

I'm not discrediting super eagles, the point here you can play well today and fumble tomorrow
Football isn't straight forward or do you want to tell me that they also played 240 minutes when they drew to small teams like zim and lesotho

NasirIbnLaAhad:
Maintenance culture and organization.

Is there any country in the world that doesn't do renovation if they are to host football tournaments?

In addition, what do we lack out of these requirements?

Work load on Iwobi reduced and his close to the box with Akinsanmiro bossing the midfield. Since he's box to box player.

Ndidi covering the defense.

Sanusi and Osayi helping the defence, closing up midfield, busting forward for crosses and pressing.

Osimhen amd Lookman wrecking havocs.

What is missing here my people?

forgiveness:
Is there any country in the world that doesn't do renovation if they are to host football tournaments?

Even Qatar that hosted the World Cup, few weeks to the event all the stadiums were not ready. There were several accidents and accusations of slave labour, imagine na naija wetin we no go hear? 😂 institutional competence and corruption bla bla bla

Not winning Olympic medals are some of the ills of the country? What is stopping you from winning one? How many Olympic medal have we won self?
Lack of information is a disease!
In fact, there was no time in our sporting history we have track and field talent as we do now!
We have the current World Record holder in women hurdles but peeps like you won't amplify that, na to cry today, cry tomorrow...
There was no time in our history we have multiple NCAA champions in several events as now!
You think if you are not doing so well, others aren't too. Sit up, guy!

minfelix:
oga if you think debating with me is a waste of time, abeg no dey quote me again na….small thing you bone don rise….
go back to my post and also see that i mentioned those olympic medals we do rack up those days are gradually vanishing that we no longer gather medals again…..
if debating with me is a waste of time, oga pack oneside and look for those that worth your time….una no dey like make dem dey point out some ills of this country……we are F’ing sport wise at the moment…na past record still dey keep us going

Goke7:
Nigeria is a federation and most of the sports facilities are state owned including the one in uyo. It behoves on the states govt to maintain or upgrade the facilities. If the national stadium in Lagos was state owned I can assure you it would have been better maintained and upgraded. I think The FG tried to hand it over to the Lagos govt years ago but over sabi people kicked against the idea and today the stadium is still abandoned.

Believe whatever you want to believe about insecurity whether in the US or anywhere but the numbers are way higher than that of terrorism in Nigeria. The perpetrators identified as jihadists is what gives the impression that Nigeria is worse but in terms of numbers omo naija no near the US at all.

Whether federal or state-owned, there needs to be accountability and consistent funding mechanisms. That's not an excuse.

As for the insecurity bit, we can drop that part of the convo if you don't have the stats. I'm not going to take verbal affirmation.

You say we've not lost ability and we need commitment and willingness to make sustained investments and reform and somehow it flies over your head that you just defined will!

Anyway, knock yourself out

NasirIbnLaAhad:
Perhaps it's simply your lack of understanding. Political will without feasible systems, institutional frameworks, accountability mechanisms, and anti-corruption measures repeatedly fails. History shows countries with strong desire but weak systems don't succeed. The distinction matters because solutions require concrete structural changes, not just leadership claiming commitment. For instance, and without belaboring the details, China tried doing what Morocco has done today. They wanted to become football superpowers but they went about it the wrong way.

Senegal was given a ridiculous penalty to draw Zim at AFCON 2021 THAT THEY WON. SOUTH AFRICA DREW ZIM AT HOME. SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT EXACTLY?

Elock1:
This ur excuse doesn't make any sense at all

Football is football
Did they play well or not (that's the issue here )

I'm not discrediting super eagles, the point here you can play well today and fumble tomorrow
Football isn't straight forward or do you want to tell me that they also played 240 minutes when they drew to small teams like zim and lesotho

forgiveness:
Is there any country in the world that doesn't do renovation if they are to host football tournaments?

In addition, what do we lack out of these requirements?

Oga we lack consistent maintenance culture. That's the key difference. Other countries do renovations, yes, but they maintain baseline standards year-round, so upgrades are incremental, not emergency overhauls. But as for us, we let facilities decay completely, then scramble when tournaments approach. Look at those requirements you listed. We struggle with basic upkeep of most items. It's not about occasional renovations but sustained organization and preventive maintenance and that's where we tend to fall short.

Bossoflife25:
Senegal was given a ridiculous penalty to draw Zim at AFCON 2021 THAT THEY WON. SOUTH AFRICA DREW ZIM AT HOME. SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT EXACTLY?

If only you read my write up to understanding

If only

Kilishihunter:
I've already buttressed my point on that already. Motsepe is not fooling anybody with that regional nonsense when Nigeria Benin were widely seen as favourites after Algeria pulled out

I think you misread.

You were knocking Nigeria-Benin bid like we're dependent on them. To which I'm asking why you didn't consider this:

opes:
Co-hosting tournament is to promote regional unity and expand development, it is not about incapacity to host. Example is United States co-hosting World Cup with Mexico and Canada

Odunayaw:
You say we've not lost ability and we need commitment and willingness to make sustained investments and reform and somehow it flies over your head that you just defined will!

Anyway, knock yourself out

Look at you championing will while ignoring that every corrupt official also willed their theft. Without accountability structures, good intentions mean nothing. And your semantic prevarications do not remotely address why Nigeria consistently struggles where structured approaches succeed.

NasirIbnLaAhad:
Whether federal or state-owned, there needs to be accountability and consistent funding mechanisms. That's not an excuse.

As for the insecurity bit, we can drop that part of the convo if you don't have the stats. I'm not going to take verbal affirmation.

FIFA or CAF don’t give a damn so you long you can host. Period

Like maintenance culture is a criteria

NasirIbnLaAhad:
Oga we lack consistent maintenance culture. That's the key difference. Other countries do renovations, yes, but they maintain baseline standards year-round, so upgrades are incremental, not emergency overhauls. But as for us, we let facilities decay completely, then scramble when tournaments approach. Look at those requirements you listed. We struggle with basic upkeep of most items. It's not about occasional renovations but sustained organization and preventive maintenance and that's where we tend to fall short.

Goke7:
FIFA or CAF don’t give a damn so you long you can host. Period

Then we shouldn't have lost the AFCON bid to Kenya/Tanzania/Uganda if it was that basic. Your logic is dead on arrival.

Una too Dey under rate Nigeria 🇳🇬 sha …infrastructure wise ,Nigeria can host afcon conveniently…if Cameroon 🇨🇲 and Ivory Coast 🇨🇮 can do it..y can’t we…

Bar d insecurities,I am not too confident about,9ja will host it wout issues


With time now,anoda person go come thread talk
Say we no fit host interhouse sport sef 😏

You're waffling. Away with your strawman

Don't confuse yourself by typing too much next time.

NasirIbnLaAhad:
Look at you championing will while ignoring that every corrupt official also willed their theft. Without accountability structures, good intentions mean nothing. And your semantic prevarications do not remotely address why Nigeria consistently struggles where structured approaches succeed.

TheSuperNerd:
1 Afcon
Zero Wafcon
1 U20 WC
1 U17 Afcon
1 U23 Afcon
1 Olympic Bronze
7 CAF CLs
1 WC Semis
1 WC Round of 16
4 CAF APOTY Awards
1 CAF Women's APOTY Award

Vs

3 Afcons
12 Wafcons (10 counting from 1998)
7 U20 Afcons
2 U20 WC Silvers
1 U20 WC Bronze
2 U17 Afcons
5 U17 WC
1 U23 Afcon
1 Olympic Gold
1 Olympic Silver
1 Olympic Bronze
2 CAF CLs
3 WC Round of 16
7 CAF APOTY Awards (2nd only to Cameroun)
13 CAF Women's APOTY awards


Now look at this and tell me how they are even close.

NB: I didnt even have to label which is which. You can tell who is who just by reading the achievements.

kudos to Nigeria of old, but currently i prefer to be a fan thats enjoying a run of form thats looking like its not ending soon….back then most moroccans envy and would wanna enjoy what Nigerians are enjoying, but currently most Nigerians envy and would wanna enjoy what morocco is enjoying….we have simply put down legacy fine and good, there was once a Pele, now there is no more Pele.

Morocco may not be close to equaling us but they are pretty on the verge of pursuing an catching our legacy…
We should not be slacking abeg, the giant tag is rottening away….we first Ghana qualified for the world cup 3 times back to back(94,98,2002)…now Ghana don dey catch us on same number of appearance with their first qualification in 2006(sorry for steering thw ship towards Ghana, but na still same giantism vanishing syndrome plaguing us)….Almost all our football noise making rivals don single handedly host Afcon from the beginning of Y2K oo
SA 2013(though not our rival, but a match up with them always deafen the whole of africa)
Gha 2008
Egypt 2006
Cam 2017
CIV 2024

we go dey here now Algeria andSenegal go host😃, while we are still waiting for NFF to remove kpako advert board…..ahhhh omo our NFF so shameful ajeh😂😂🤦🏽‍♀️🤦🏽‍♀️

Odunayaw:
Like maintenance culture is a criteria

Unfortunately for you, it is. But I understand you're used to chaos and disorganization in that country, so I'm not surprised you'll scoff at the suggestion of order and progress.

Like bids are won entirely by such things

NasirIbnLaAhad:
Then we shouldn't have lost the AFCON bid to Kenya/Tanzania/Uganda if it was that basic. Your logic is dead on arrival.