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judewrites:
Not on all occasions though.

Evil people can sometimes do the extreme as we see in 2 kings 3:27 to avert certain prophesies.

However not all prophesies can be averted.

This is purely scriptural, no need for debates or arguments.

That scripture referenced above was the people bing afraid. At this point, Israel has fallen into deep idolatry that even elisha would have ignored the king if not for the king of Judah. They had lost faith in God.

Failure of Peter OBI to become president in 2023 has exposed them all

There is general misuse and mispresentation of prophecy among black folks. In every African setting, we grew up to know a soothsayer, fortune teller, marabout everywhere. In every African setting, this reality predated foreign religions in our midst. Even now, there is still confusion amongst the practitioners of the Abrahamic faiths in Africa. When the religion brought to us cannot match our spirituality, people resort to admixtures of the imported and the natives. Pastors, alfas go back home to bring from the wealth of spirituality to establish the Newfounded faith. This was the basis of the spiritual churches. It is just a practice of seeing a dibia, babalawo or any name they are called among individual natives.
The same is brought into Pentecostalism, the latest emergent form of Christianity.
We have not totally divorced from our roots.

That being said, prophecy is merely for information. Information now has grades. Information on what has happened, what will surely happen, and what may or may not happen depending on conditions. When certain prophecies are released, they can be absolute decisions from God that are definitely determined to happen. Others may be changeable by prayers,. Hezekiah's case is an example. Jesus talked about the suffering of the latter days and out a proviso , ' pray that the days are cut short....'

During the election of Tinubu, many prophecies were flying, I was telling people that none of these people's prophecies would come to pass. My reason, we all have access to God and can ask Him to change His mind. In fact, prophecy in this situation is a call for prayers and motivation to appeal to God. Hezekiah did against Isaiah who predicted accurately, the birth of Jesus Christ. The prophecy was changed.

In the same vein, prayer still changes the disposition of God to man today.
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Can we now say no man can hear from God. Absolutely no. As a youth, I almost scattered a church by prophecies. I was fasting for more than half of the year and I had inspirations. I was just a zealous young person who enjoyed hearing and seeing. These days, I am wiser, I don't say things or like to code like Pastor Adeboye. Primate Olabayo used to be very accurate those days. I mean thirty years ago and beyond, so was T.B. Joshua, Tibetan Marcus. I don't follow them these days.
The mispresentation and misuse has not invalidated prophecies.
I am more concerned about Adeboye. I was in the camp when he prophesied that nobody would be successful, planning a coup against Abacha. I remember him telling is to warn our families in the military that year. Then the phantom coup happened. The prophecy was direct. These days, he codes his prophecies like Nostradamus Mitchell.

erniok2:
That scripture referenced above was the people bing afraid. At this point, Israel has fallen into deep idolatry that even elisha would have ignored the king if not for the king of Judah. They had lost faith in God.

That's not the scripture I am referring to.

The heathen king offered his heir as a human sacrifice and suddenly something made the Israelites to retreat from him.

Ultimately, evil sacrifices can't stop prophesies, but they can alter or delay it.

gift2xl:
What's my business with prophecy, what ever you believe is what works for you and that's faith.

Not true! Millions of Nigerians believed President Tinubu will turn Nigeria to 'London' but they got the opposite, 'Ajegunle'.

Did any of them release prophecy this year?

judewrites:
That's not the scripture I am referring to.

The heathen king offered his heir as a human sacrifice and suddenly something made the Israelites to retreat from him.

Ultimately, evil sacrifices can't stop prophesies, but they can alter or delay it.

Its same scripture bro. I even referenced the opening part of the 3 kings meeting elisha

Nothing made them retreat but fear as they have delved deep into idolatry and making their children pass through the fire( burnt offering to demons).

Every prophecies has fulness of time and delays come when you lack understanding of times.

erniok2:
Its same scripture bro. I even referenced the opening part of the 3 kings meeting elisha

Nothing made them retreat but fear as they have delved deep into idolatry and making their children pass through the fire( burnt offering to demons).

Every prophecies has fulness of time and delays come when you lack understanding of times.

Who are you referring to? The Israelites?

2 Kings 3
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²⁴ And when they came to the camp of Israel, the Israelites rose up and smote the Moabites, so that they fled before them: but they went forward smiting the Moabites, even in their country.
²⁵ And they beat down the cities, and on every good piece of land cast every man his stone, and filled it; and they stopped all the wells of water, and felled all the good trees: only in Kirharaseth left they the stones thereof; howbeit the slingers went about it, and smote it.
²⁶ And when the king of Moab saw that the battle was too sore for him, he took with him seven hundred men that drew swords, to break through even unto the king of Edom: but they could not.
²⁷ Then he took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall. And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to their own land.

For the sake of those reading, let's be careful not to twist scriptures.

We cannot fully tell why the Israelites retreated, but it was a clear a supernatural force made them turn back.

It's still happening today. Some people offer strong evil sacrifices in attempt to abort prophesies.

judewrites:
Who are you referring to? The Israelites?

2 Kings 3
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²⁴ And when they came to the camp of Israel, the Israelites rose up and smote the Moabites, so that they fled before them: but they went forward smiting the Moabites, even in their country.
²⁵ And they beat down the cities, and on every good piece of land cast every man his stone, and filled it; and they stopped all the wells of water, and felled all the good trees: only in Kirharaseth left they the stones thereof; howbeit the slingers went about it, and smote it.
²⁶ And when the king of Moab saw that the battle was too sore for him, he took with him seven hundred men that drew swords, to break through even unto the king of Edom: but they could not.
²⁷ Then he took his eldest son that should have reigned in his stead, and offered him for a burnt offering upon the wall. And there was great indignation against Israel: and they departed from him, and returned to their own land.

For the sake of those reading, let's be careful not to twist scriptures.

We cannot fully tell why the Israelites retreated, but it was a clear a supernatural force made them turn back.

It's still happening today. Some people offer strong evil sacrifices in attempt to abort prophesies.

Reading from the KJV alone won't give you a clearer picture. Compare with other newer translations like Good news translation.

The israelites, in deep idolatry, was afraid of molech as they also make their children pass through fire for him.

They are confusing because these are man made prophecies is these men of god who claim to serve the same God how come they don't share the same prophesies......................well that's because there is no God religion has always been a tool for control and that's what it will always be to give you hope in return you remain docile and obedient the same God you sheep's are so scared of is the same God your pastors commit adultery, fornication, stealing, armed robbery etc. while mounting the house of God telling lies to your faces without fear of any consequence because they know something you don't all of it is an act

Go and read your Bible, the moabitess king wasn't the only king to ever sacrificed his son or child. In fact sacrificing their children is a way they worship molech,one of their gods, in those days. So nothing special about what he did. There are even Israeli kings in the Bible that sacrificed their children and that didn't change anything.
King Ahaz: He "burned sacrifices in the Valley of Ben Hinnom and sacrificed his children in the fire, engaging in the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites," according to 2 Chronicles 28:3.

King Manasseh: He "sacrificed his children in the fire to other gods. He did it in the Valley of Ben Hinnom" (2 Chronicles 33:6) and participated in the sacrificial cult of Molech (2 Kings 21:6).

God made it clear that he abhors human sacrifice...so using that sole (difficult to interpret) scripture as a justification for what we do in our days is wrong.

judewrites:
That's not the scripture I am referring to.

The heathen king offered his heir as a human sacrifice and suddenly something made the Israelites to retreat from him.

Ultimately, evil sacrifices can't stop prophesies, but they can alter or delay it.

SEGLIZ:
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it isn't about disgrace, the case of Pastor Tunde Bakare back then prophesying the the death of former President Olusegun Obadanjo.
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many thought it was fake but of the truth it took the intervention of Baba Adeboye to avert the prophecy, as a result of him possessing a higher prophetic calling.
The bolded is high level delusion of grandeur and complete unfounded bull crap, even y Christian standards

Ponmoalata:
Those are not prophesies.

They are permutations for the sheeple

Exactly my assertion..Since the sheeple and gullible can't reason or apply critical thinking.

I don't see these as PROPHECY, there are just PREDICTIONS like sport bet

Neoteny:
You're contradicting yourself

He's not

The way we allowed religion to take over our sense is the issue. What we are practicing isn't what they handed over to us. Infact prophecy wasn't part of it

femi4:
He's not

The way we allowed religion to take over our sense is the issue. What we are practicing isn't what they handed over to us. Infact prophecy wasn't part of it

He believes in a deity, but also called religion fake.

Reconcile the two

Neoteny:
He believes in a deity, but also called religion fake.

Reconcile the two

The religion part is when we don't apply our senses...being dogmatic

His believe is in communition between him n God

No third party, no the lord says

femi4:
The religion part is when we don't apply our senses...being dogmatic

His believe is in communition between him n God

No third party, no the lord says

I didn't specifically say Christianity, nor did he. He simply said religion generally. Not every religion believes in an intermediary between man and god.

Once you believe in a supreme deity... that's religion. And all religions are founded on dogma and blind faith.

So, he's contradicting himself.

Neoteny:
I didn't specifically say Christianity, nor did he. He simply said religion generally. Not every religion believes in an intermediary between man and god.

Once you believe in a supreme deity... that's religion. And all religions are founded on dogma and blind faith.

So, he's contradicting himself.

His submission is linked to this thread...so the context

The practice of religion vary across the World. I just explained his version to you. Its now left for you to call it whatever you like

Listen and listen very well the greatest prophesy that that should concerned you most which must come to pass is the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ which will happen at any time. The most important thing for you is to prepare yourself for His coming which will happen suddenly.

Hismajesty44:
Not true! Millions of Nigerians believed President Tinubu will turn Nigeria to 'London' but they got the opposite, 'Ajegunle'.

I mean personal believe, your personal strength.

femi4:
His submission is linked to this thread...so the context

The practice of religion vary across the World. I just explained his version to you. Its now left for you to call it whatever you like

The practices of religion may vary, but the foundation is the same: belief in a deity.

Therefore, all religions believe in a supreme being(s).

How then can he say religion is false but at the same time believe in a supreme being?

Hence the contradiction.