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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:10am On Jan 04 |
feedthenation:It's about oil. Secure the world's largest reserves away from China. She won the election,it's in the best interest for her to be installed.Trump is known for saying anything,didn't he have a spat with Elon Musk,and now they are on talking terms. Russia and China were building military capabilities in Venezuela ,just next to America and have to be stopped. NATO wants all those countries surrounding Russia onboard .I'll call it hypocrisy on America part,they want no enemy beacheads anywhere near their borders. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:14am On Jan 04 |
benalvino3:Trump is the most unpredictable president ever in his foreign policy dealings. Selfish as he is to America interest, I think every country needs a president who looks after his nation first. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 6:40am On Jan 04 |
PDPGuy:You can vote your way into socialism ,you will have to shoot your way out of it. That's the Venezuela situation. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Unlimited22: 6:55am On Jan 04 |
basilico:The suprême court of Venezuela has just declared delcy Rodriguez, maduro's vp, acting président And baba has already defied Trump and called maduro the only real president Maria Machado won Nobel Peace prize and was twerking for Trump only to end up with egg on her face. Lmao Them arrest the man, leave the rest of him cabinet for there |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by nateevs(m): 7:01am On Jan 04 |
What a farce! International Piracy, Neo-colonialism, Monroe Doctrine, Anti-Palestinian cause and American Imperialism, all wrapped up in one single event. Whilst all this was going on, strikes were ordered on Nigeria and Somalia as well. Invasion and kidnap of another country's Head of State and Wife, under false premise and Warrants. Invented charges after the fact. Hypocrisy and incompetence also on full display. All of this at the same time. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:24am On Jan 04 |
basilico:Just like the way a lot of Libyan were ecstatic when Gadaffi was overthrown. They'll shine their teeth now only to find out later that life doesnt get any better with capitalists, money hungry commercial systems and thieving world powers. I hope Venezuela turns into Norway in the coming years.. ![]() |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:28am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:As usual looking into the future. Trump will cause this and that. You should really be ashamed that the operation could not be revealed to democrats because they would have straight on leaked it hoping for a catastrophic failure. That's how low democrat and their supporters have fallen. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:29am On Jan 04 |
Obrigardo:Trump would do more dangerous unprecedented things to capture the minds of his vassals off the Epstein files.. But God will punish him and his unrepentant supporters soon enough.. Trumps disgrace would be far worse than what Nebuchadnezzar went through (eating grass in the woods). |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:30am On Jan 04 |
nateevs:He was indicted in 2020 at the SDNY. Why didn't Biden throw out the indictment if there was no substance. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:34am On Jan 04 |
basilico:The operations was not revealed to the american people.. Youve become so partisan that your brain is blocked. We hope Venezuelan turns into Norway with the supposed liberation..havent we seen this before? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:35am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:Shame on you. The Venezuela people are happy and are celebrating while you are grovelling. You know Jimmy Carter epic failure to rescue the American hostages in Tehran caused him to lose the presidency by a bigger margin. BOOM! Venezuelan man GOES OFF on the Left for protesting Donald Trump’s arrest of Maduro [Venezuelan Man]: "Ah, Venezuela. People are criticizing Trump for what he did in Venezuela. They say he bombed and kidnapped our president. No, no, no, no, no. Let me be clear. That man was never our president. He's a dictator. We didn’t— we didn’t vote for him. Our elections were stolen. And when we protested, our kids were sent to prison. Minors were tortured. Girls were forced to prostitute themselves in prisons just to get food, to get a piece of bread. And where were all of you then? Where were all of you liberals? Where were all of you? Where were all of you? You said nothing. You did nothing. But now you suddenly care about international law? I mean, now you all talk about human rights? Maduro didn’t lead Venezuela. He kidnapped an entire country. So, no, Trump didn’t kidnap anyone. No, he did not. He removed our kidnapper. And for that, we're thankful. You can debate politics all you want, but don’t tell Venezuelans—do not tell Venezuelans—how to feel about being free from a dictatorship."
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:38am On Jan 04 |
Unlimited22:Trump has not been able to run the US successfully in a democratic fashion, but Mu-gus like basilico thinks Trump and his DEI cabinet can efficiently restructure Venezuela? ![]() All for Chevron and other US oil companies to extract oil.. Oboy. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:43am On Jan 04 |
basilico:I had to recall your memory.. The Libyans were happy when Gadaffi was captured.. whats their situation today? And this goes beyond Venezuelans being happy. The impact of this ulterior move would be far reaching. This is a movie.. lets watch out to see if the outcome would be different from the other movies we've watched. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:46am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:My positions on Venezuela are never based on feelings . I have written extensively about the need to stop Chinese influence, how decoupling Venezuela from China is key. I'm not just reacting ,I've been seeing this play on the works for months ,only that I didn't expect Trump to capture him alive. The kidnapper of Venezuela was kidnapped. Tough guy. From grace to grass
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:48am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:The Libyans didn't know that Obama was replacing Gadaffi with jihadists from Al Qaeda and the Islamic State. Key difference. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:52am On Jan 04 |
See Libyans.. Someone said, from what i infer, that for example because libyans are muslims, they are more susceptible to violent reactions to such kind of regime change.. That the outcome would be 100% favorable and different for Venezuela (no probability, just absolutes) This means that in a jiffy we should see Venezuela fully liberated and prospering like the US or even more than the US. Humans and myopia!!!! Let me cross my legs and watch another movie.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:52am On Jan 04 |
basilico: ..Chaii.. We will watch this movie together for as long as we are alive and in this forum. Let the US come and replicate this playbook in Nigeria. Probably we need it.. lets see if it would work. ![]() |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 7:54am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:That will happen if only they decided to go into a civil war and that is clearly not the case. They are not as useless as the Islamists |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 7:58am On Jan 04 |
benalvino3:Thats it..speaking like God who can fully predict the outcome of an endeavour. No room for risks...and you are referring to a whole religion as useless. Clap your hands.. Lets see how this movie plays out. I have grabbed my pop corn. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 8:02am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:They are in unity celebrating, none of them are thinking about fighting a battle for God. Not factions or leaders are coming to grab power. Big difference. There is no one playing God here. You only have to open your eyes and observe. In Nigeria it is happening, in the UK, it is happening, in France it is happening. In Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Lebanon, Kenya, Sudan etc... You see civil wars. All those are Islamic state with civil war. The western countries I mentioned, the people they gave refuge wants to take power and turn it to what they ran away from. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 8:04am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:Islamists are not the whole religion. But if you ask me and if you are true to yourself, you believe the whole religion is useless. I believe the religion is useless. This I am 100% sure. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 8:12am On Jan 04 |
benalvino3:Ok.. no problem. If thats how you refer to other peoples religion, thats your own cup of tea. Lets trend on history right there in Central America, the carribean and neighboring countries (e.g Chile, Cuba, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, etc) for which the US had facilitated regime change for economic interest and or geo political control. How many of these countries are prosperous today and being led orderly? Lets leave Libya alone for a moment. Because its obvious you have activated a 100% hatred on Islam and probably its practitioners. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 8:22am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:I do, I believe in one God so as you, every other gods and religion are useless not the people. You believe this too. This I am 100% sure. Your premise is not correct about other America countries because the dictators running them are not installed by the United States. What was their status before and after any regime change? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 8:29am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:Like i'll rain stones and sands on his maga cult supporters. I'll be so loud they'll have to kill themselves lol |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 8:31am On Jan 04 |
This tyrant child predator might not be able to walk by march. He is dying and decaying. basilico, this man is your moral compass? don't you feel shame yet?
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 8:32am On Jan 04 |
benalvino3:What has been the success rate in terms of outcomes for regime changes facilitated by the US in the Americas and the carribean? You are freaking so sure of the outcome for Venezuela. Thats your research work. See below already happening.. from history what are the odds for Venezuela attaining eldorado in leadership and structure in the coming years? And for your information you don't believe in one God (you believe in 3 Gods all summed up in one or abi One God divided into three persons ).
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by WriterrNg: 8:33am On Jan 04 |
The real reason the US is invading Venezuela goes back to a deal Henry Kissinger made with Saudi Arabia in 1974. And I'm going to explain why this is actually about the SURVIVAL of the US dollar itself. Not drugs. Not terrorism. Not "democracy." This is about the petrodollar system that has kept America the dominant economic power for 50 years. And Venezuela just threatened to end it. Here's what really just happened: Venezuela has 303 billion barrels of proven oil reserves. The largest on Earth. More than Saudi Arabia. 20% of the entire world's oil. But here's the part that matters: Venezuela was actively selling that oil in Chinese yuan. Not dollars. In 2018, Venezuela announced it would "free itself from the dollar." They started accepting yuan, euros, rubles, anything BUT dollars for oil. They were petitioning to join BRICS. They were building direct payment channels with China that bypass SWIFT entirely. And they were sitting on enough oil to fund de-dollarization for decades. Why does this matter? Because the entire American financial system is built on one thing: The petrodollar. In 1974, Henry Kissinger made a deal with Saudi Arabia: All oil sold globally must be priced in US dollars. In exchange, America provides military protection. This single agreement created artificial demand for dollars worldwide. Every country on Earth needs dollars to buy oil. This lets America print unlimited money while other countries work for it. It funds the military. The welfare state. The deficit spending. The petrodollar is more important to US hegemony than aircraft carriers. And there's a pattern of what happens to leaders who challenge it: 2000: Saddam Hussein announces Iraq will sell oil in euros instead of dollars. 2003: Invaded. Regime change. Iraq's oil immediately switched back to dollars. Saddam lynched. The WMDs were never found because they never existed. 2009: Gaddafi proposes a gold-backed African currency called the "gold dinar" for oil trade. Hillary Clinton's own leaked emails confirm this was the PRIMARY reason for intervention. Email quote: "This gold was intended to establish a pan-African currency based on the Libyan golden Dinar." 2011: NATO bombs Libya. Gaddafi sodomized and murdered. Libya now has open slave markets. "We came, we saw, he died!" Clinton laughed on camera. The gold dinar died with him. And now Maduro. With FIVE TIMES more oil than Saddam and Gaddafi combined. Actively selling in yuan. Building payment systems outside dollar control. Petitioning to join BRICS. Partnered with China, Russia, and Iran. The three countries leading global de-dollarization. This isn't coincidence. Challenge the petrodollar. Get regime changed. Every. Single. Time. Stephen Miller (US homeland security advisor) literally said it out loud two weeks ago: "American sweat, ingenuity and toil created the oil industry in Venezuela. Its tyrannical expropriation was the largest recorded theft of American wealth and property." He's not hiding it. They're claiming Venezuelan oil BELONGS to America because US companies developed it 100 years ago. By this logic, every nationalized resource in history was "theft." But here's the DEEPER problem: The petrodollar is already dying. Russia sells oil in rubles and yuan since Ukraine. Saudi Arabia is openly discussing yuan settlements. Iran has been trading in non-dollar currencies for years. China built CIPS, their own alternative to SWIFT with 4,800 banks in 185 countries. BRICS is actively building payment systems that bypass the dollar entirely. The mBridge project lets central banks settle trades instantly in local currencies. Venezuela joining BRICS with 303 billion barrels of oil would accelerate this exponentially. That's what this invasion is really about. Not stopping drugs. Venezuela accounts for less than 1% of US cocaine. Not terrorism. There's zero evidence Maduro runs a "terror organization." Not democracy. The US supports Saudi Arabia, which has zero elections. This is about maintaining a 50-year-old agreement that lets America print money while the world works for it. And the consequences are terrifying: Russia, China, and Iran are already denouncing this as "armed aggression." China is Venezuela's biggest oil customer. They're losing billions. BRICS nations are watching a country get invaded for trading outside the dollar. Every nation considering de-dollarization just got the message: Challenge the dollar and we will bomb you. But here's the problem... That message might accelerate de-dollarization, not stop it. Because now every country in the Global South knows what happens if you threaten dollar hegemony. And they're realizing the only protection is to move FASTER. The timing is insane too: January 3rd, 2026. Venezuela invaded. Maduro captured. January 3rd, 1990. Panama invaded. Noriega captured. 36 years apart. Almost to the day. Same playbook. Same "drug trafficking" excuse. Same real reason: control of strategic resources and trade routes. History doesn't repeat. But it rhymes. What happens next: Trump's press conference at Mar-a-Lago sets the narrative. US oil companies are already lined up. Politico reported they've been approached about "returning to Venezuela." The opposition will be installed. Oil will flow in dollars again. Venezuela becomes another Iraq. Another Libya. But here's what nobody's asking: What happens when you can no longer bomb your way to dollar dominance? When China has enough economic leverage to retaliate? When BRICS controls 40% of global GDP and says "no more dollars"? When the world realizes the petrodollar is maintained by violence? America just showed its hand. The question is whether the rest of the world folds or calls the bluff. Because this invasion is an admission that the dollar can no longer compete on its own merits. When you have to bomb countries to keep them using your currency, the currency is already dying. Venezuela isn't the beginning. It's the desperate end. What do you think? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:35am On Jan 04 |
Obrigardo:A former McDonald's worker liberated Venezuela.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 8:36am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:The outcome will be better than what they have which is why they are dancing all over the world. Na una want to cling to the dictator that has been there for 25 years. Exactly, about God, so why are you trying to behave like Islam has meaning to you or in anyway help. You spiritually when you are at odds with other Christian denomination? Abi you Wan convert to Islam? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:41am On Jan 04 |
WriterrNg:The dollar stability is key reason why it's used in virtually all international trade I would never trust the Yuan . Whose value is controlled by the govt. The Federal Reserve takes no direct order from the President and has a history of independence operation wise. I'd rather the dollar than the Yuan. Whether it's under Biden or Clinton or Obama I will prefer the dollar. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bayelsaowei(m): 8:45am On Jan 04 |
benalvino3:Venezualans dancing may not translate to better times for them in the future..history has shown that over and over and over again. They may just be jumping from frying pan to fire. The outcome as at today is not fixed. For you to think that would be jejune on your part. And for your information, Dictators generally aren't a problem to the US. Because the US itself has supported authoritarian regimes in the past and even presently. Supported multiple coups etc. It is a Dictator that the US does not like that is a problem to the US and that is bad in their eyes. Forget all this shalaye and lamba. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:51am On Jan 04 |
bayelsaowei:They are happy to be rid of Maduro. It's up to them to fix their future, if they want to go to war with each other it's entirely up to them. But Uncle Sam will be their Big Brother in the transition. If they don't do it by 2028,you think Trump should get a third term as he strives to secure Venezuela oil to benefit America? 67% didn't vote for Maduro,the election body said he won by 51% . Granted 49% didn't want him by his own rigged election results. |
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