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QuinQ:
See below

sonmvayina:
hahahahha,
let me make this easy for you,
show me where it is written in the Tanakh (old testament) That God had a son that he was sending to earth to die for the sins of men.

sonmvayina:
it's a torture and death symbol.....it is not a love symbol

QuinQ:
His point is that no contemporary historian wrote about Jesus, even denouncing him or warning people not to follow his "false doctrine"

sonmvayina:
During the colonial era, when Christianity was trying to gain access to the igbo heartland, the igbos resisted....will you consider this persecution??

sonmvayina:
ok, please can you quote from the Tanakh where it says God has a son, he was sending as a ransom for humans.....
I will become a JW today.....if you can and we will end this discussion. but if you can't, are you willing to consider the fact you have been fooled and lied to..?

sonmvayina:
Only those that follow the Torah.....
that is what the passages is saying.
but God is within everyone, but the witness are those keeping the Torah.

MaxInDHouse:
Was there any who specifically mention Jesus by name?
I understood what you are saying but it's evident that there were three individuals in the first century claiming Christ so the people you are quoting may be talking about any of them!😟

QuinQ:
OP's point is that no contemporary historian wrote of any one of them - even negatively.

sonmvayina:
ok, please can you quote from the Tanakh where it says God has a son, he was sending as a ransom for humans.....
I will become a JW today.....if you can and we will end this discussion. but if you can't, are you willing to consider the fact you have been fooled and lied to..?

MaxInDHouse:
They actually wrote about false Christ but they may not be talking about Jesus.

That's my own point!🙂

QuinQ:
See below

MaxInDHouse:
God never completed all the prophecies about the Messiah in any single verse so it's either you accept it in parts or forget about God and Messiah completely!🙂

QuinQ:
If Igbos were rulling Nigeria and beheading Christians and banning their religion, YES!

QuinQ:
But they were a love group who "made up" turn the other cheek!

QuinQ:
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sonmvayina:
what am I supposed to see.
I asked for a passage or passages that says God had a son he was sending to earth as a ransom, you are quoting Isaiah 53 about a suffering SERVANT, after Isaiah has finished telling you that the servant is Israel....see 45:1-7 for confirmation...

I am still waiting...

QuinQ:
Why are you emphasizing "servant"? Jesus himself described His mission as one of service, famously saying He came "to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many".
What else are you waiting for? Who else fulfills Isaiah's prophecy??

sonmvayina:
that's not what I asked. well, I will take it that the answer is NO.

sonmvayina:
that's not love,that is weakness....I know you have NEVER turned the other cheek, so don't push it...

QuinQ:
If Igbos rulled Nigeria and were beheading and persecuting Christians you wouldn't call it persecution??!

QuinQ:
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QuinQ:
Point is, they were NOT a "death cult"

QuinQ:
Who and where?
Even His apostles did not write about Jesus till long after His resurrection

sonmvayina:
it is not a prophecy actually.
in Isaiah 53, let me educate you. it is the kings of the earth that are talking. it is what they will say when they witness the salvation of Israel.
it is not Isaiah talking and it is not God talking...

who can believe what we (The kings of the earth) has seen(the salvation of Israel)

sonmvayina:
igbos occupying the east part of Nigeria and the white man came and was trying to force Christianity on the igbos and they resisted.....would you term it persecution of Christians?

sonmvayina:
https://www.nairaland.com/6612275/isaiah-53-why-suffering-servant

QuinQ:
So you do accept that Jesus did indeed exist. Your only problem is with things like zombie apocalypse?
Again, why would they adopt the cross symbol for no reason while it was a symbol of shameful death?

musicwriter:
It's a pity you're bent on this cross thing because you simply don't know where the Christian cross came from.

The cross came directly from the ancient Egyptian son of God Horus and other Christo-messiahs that predate Christianity. Before anybody heard of Jesus, the cross was already a symbol of salvation and eternal life.

By the way, before Christianity adopted the cross, it used to be a fish, then a sheep. They've been used as well but Christendom just settled for the cross at last because all the other older saviors and Messiahs used cross.

Attached is the ancient Egyptian cross, which predate Christianity.

The other is a drawing of the Greek son of God Dyionasis, who also died on a cross by crucification before Jesus.

musicwriter:
It's a pity you're bent on this cross thing because you simply don't know where the Christian cross came from.

The cross came directly from the ancient Egyptian son of God Horus and other Christo-messiahs that predate Christianity. Before anybody heard of Jesus, the cross was already a symbol of salvation and eternal life.

By the way, before Christianity adopted the cross, it used to be a fish, then a sheep. They've been used as well but Christendom just settled for the cross at last because all the other older saviors and Messiahs used cross.

Attached is the ancient Egyptian cross, which predate Christianity.

The other is a drawing of the Greek son of God Dyionasis, who also died on a cross by crucification before Jesus.

QuinQ:
sonmvayina what do you say to this? And while at it also tell us HOW this below was talking of Israel and not Jesus!

Isaiah 53
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.

QuinQ:
All we know is that there were tons of crucifixions around the time Christ was crucified and no other time in history was that the case!