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LordReed:
It doesn't matter. You claimed it was necessary. If not it is not necessary in heaven then you must concede that the possibility exists.

The conditions are different. That's why it matters.

What matters in Nigeria may not necessarily matter in the USA.

Earth is not a standard for heaven.

FxMasterz:
No. That's not the kind of hurting we're talking about. Here, it was man that hurt Him. If you feed your dog and do it nice things only for it to turn against you one day and bite. Can you be blamed for that? Nobody will say you hurt yourself for what that dog did to you.

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A creator of evil cannot blame the evil it created.

No, that's love. Hurting others for some selfish gains is what sin really means.

Love can hurt itself for the benefit of others. That's sacrifice.

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Such sacrifice that the said Christ lamented it by -

1. Praying that the cup should pass over him?

2. Crying that the father had forsaken him?

And thirdly such an alleged sacrifice does not square with justice if one person has to bear the sins of another.

Even after the same Bible claims that whatsoever a man sows the same shall he reap.

FxMasterz:
The conditions of earth are not same with heaven's. The same rules don't apply. Apology for omitting the screenshots. Here are they below:

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Your argument doesnt work once you claimed that good can only be enjoyed with the presence of evil.

DeepSight:
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Your argument doesnt work once you claimed that good can only be enjoyed with the presence of evil.

That's not my argument.


My claim is that good can only be appreciated in the presence of evil. It makes you have a sense of enjoyment otherwise you wouldn't even know what enjoyment is.

DeepSight:
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A creator of evil cannot blame the evil it created.

No. He didn't.


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Such sacrifice that the said Christ lamented it by -

1. Praying that the cup should pass over him?

So that you can appreciate the sacrifice.

2. Crying that the father had forsaken him?

So that you can know that you were accepted of the Father.

And thirdly such an alleged sacrifice does not square with justice if one person has to bear the sins of another.

It does, because He literally took the place of the sinner and took his sins upon Himself. He claimed He was the One who did everything you did.

Even after the same Bible claims that whatsoever a man sows the same shall he reap.

Yes, that's the law. Then Jesus came to reap your sins for you because you cannot actually do any better. You have no such powers.

FxMasterz:
That's not my argument.


My claim is that good can only be appreciated in the presence of evil. It makes you have a sense of enjoyment otherwise you wouldn't even know what enjoyment is.

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Hence good cannot be appreciated in heaven if there is no evil there, as LordReed has rightly noted.

DeepSight:
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Hence good cannot be appreciated in heaven if there is no evil there, as LordReed has rightly noted.

The rule applies to earth alone. It doesn't apply to the entire universe.

FxMasterz:
No. He didn't.


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So that you can appreciate the sacrifice.


So that you can know that you were accepted of the Father.


It does, because He literally took the place of the sinner and took his sins upon Himself. He claimed He was the One who did everything you did.



Yes, that's the law. Then Jesus came to reap your sins for you because you cannot actually do any better. You have no such powers.

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I don't know how you don't see the numerous contradictions here. Do I have to point them out?

FxMasterz:
The rule applies to earth alone. It doesn't apply to the entire universe.

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Special pleading.
And how did you arrive at it at all events.

DeepSight:
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I don't know how you don't see the numerous contradictions here. Do I have to point them out?

Point them out. I can see you have a lot to understand.

DeepSight:
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Special pleading.
And how did you arrive at it at all events.

You can apply it locally. Not everything applicable in Nigeria is applicable in USA

FxMasterz:
The rule applies to earth alone. It doesn't apply to the entire universe.

Ahhh so now we have modified it but at least you concede the possibility exists.

Now let us examine it further. If you taste a dish for the first time made with ingredients you've never tasted before how do you know it tastes nice or not?

FxMasterz:
The conditions are different. That's why it matters.

What matters in Nigeria may not necessarily matter in the USA.

Earth is not a standard for heaven.

What makes it different? According to your book Satan was an angel and he goes to heaven sometimes so evil can be in heaven no?

It still doesn't matter because you concede that the possibility exists.

FxMasterz:
No. He didn't.

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So who created evil.

Mind you, the omniscient and omnipotent one who created creatures who do evil necessarily created evil.

This is aside from his confession in Isaiah that he does indeed create evil.

So that you can appreciate the sacrifice.

[quote]So that you can know that you were accepted of the Father.

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Our knowing what Yahweh has done by no means changes the point. Remember the point being that Yahweh hurts himself since Jesus is Yahweh according to you and he hurt Jesus quite clearly even when Jesus had purportedly done nothing to deserve it, and begged for the cup to pass over his head.

Also Jesus lamented that Yahweh (himself) according to you had forsaken him. In Christian theology it is said that Yahweh (Jesus) fled from Jesus because of the spectre of sin Jesus was carrying on the cross which Yahweh could not tolerate since Yahweh cannot behold or bear sin, and yet Yahweh as Jesus was carrying the same sin allegedly.

It does, because He literally took the place of the sinner and took his sins upon Himself. He claimed He was the One who did everything you did.

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Then Yahweh is here lying that he did what he did not do.

Yes, that's the law. Then Jesus came to reap your sins for you because you cannot actually do any better. You have no such powers.

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Please and please. If this is the law then why does Yahweh breach it by putting the sin on someone else?

That would mean that the law of Yahweh is false and Yahweh is in fact not just.

You asked me to point out the contradictions, and so there they are above.

LordReed:
What makes it different? According to your book Satan was an angel and he goes to heaven sometimes so evil can be in heaven no?

It still doesn't matter because you concede that the possibility exists.

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Are you such a wicked fellow?
Why do you keep scoring golden goals when one is enough.

Have mercy, m'lord, have mercy.

FxMasterz:
You can apply it locally. Not everything applicable in Nigeria is applicable in USA

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The point is from where do you derive the magisterial authority to make that rule and consign it to Earth alone.

DeepSight:
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Are you such a wicked fellow?
Why do you keep scoring golden goals when one is enough.

Have mercy, m'lord, have mercy.

LoLz. The defence is too porous na, how ball no go enter.

LordReed:
LoLz. The defence is too porous na, how ball no go enter.

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DeepSight:
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So who created evil.

Mind you, the omniscient and omnipotent one who created creatures who do evil necessarily created evil.

This is aside from his confession in Isaiah that he does indeed create evil.

Excellent points. How by the light of Orion is vicarious redemption justified if everyone is supposedly responsible for their own sins? And if all sin before and after have been so forgiven where lies the reason for punishment still?

Damn I wish I had not literally spent decades in this kind of mindset. The holes are way to glaring for Andromeda's sake.

DeepSight:
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The point is from where do you derive the magisterial authority to make that rule and consign it to Earth alone.

I'm telling you the position of the Bible.

FxMasterz:
I'm telling you the position of the Bible.

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If you don't mind, I'd like to see the verses where it says so.

DeepSight:
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So who created evil.

Evil itself is a byproduct of sin. Since the world has become a sinful world, it had to be balanced by good. And good is only enjoyable because of evil in a sinful world.

Mind you, the omniscient and omnipotent one who created creatures who do evil necessarily created evil.

God didn't want zombies. He didn't want robots. He wanted humans who can choose their actions and be responsible for it. Only that condition validated love and loyalty, without which the world wound be boring. So, everything was good until man choose to obey a different master.

This is aside from his confession in Isaiah that he does indeed create evil.

He created evil for the purpose of judgement because now there was sin I. The world. That is still different from the evil that arises as a byproduct of sin.

DeepSight:
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If you don't mind, I'd like to see the verses where it says so.

This is the place of understanding. Wait for tomorrow when I'll share the whole Bible in 1 minute.

FxMasterz:
Evil itself is a byproduct of sin. Since the world has become a sinful world, it had to be balanced by good. And good is only enjoyable because of evil in a sinful world.


God didn't want zombies. He didn't want robots. He wanted humans who can choose their actions and be responsible for it. Only that condition validated love and loyalty, without which the world wound be boring. So, everything was good until man choose to obey a different master.



He created evil for the purpose of judgement because now there was sin I. The world. That is still different from the evil that arises as a byproduct of sin.

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Surely I don't have to start pointing out contradictions again. I am quite tired.

FxMasterz:
This is the place of understanding. Wait for tomorrow when I'll share the whole Bible in 1 minute.

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Leave sarcasm and tell me where the bible says what you claim sir.

LordReed:
What makes it different? According to your book Satan was an angel and he goes to heaven sometimes so evil can be in heaven no?

No, he doesn't go to heaven.

It still doesn't matter because you concede that the possibility exists.

No, it does. I don't know what you said I conceded.

DeepSight:
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Leave sarcasm and tell me where the bible says what you claim sir.

Not sarcasm. I'm certainly creating a post tomorrow. I'll mention you.

DeepSight:
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Surely I don't have to start pointing out contradictions again. I am quite tired.

You're getting confused. I'll clear every tomorrow in a post.

FxMasterz:
Not sarcasm. I'm certainly creating a post tomorrow. I'll mention you.

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Alright thx

FxMasterz:
No, he doesn't go to heaven.

Job1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

No, it does. I don't know what you said I conceded.

Do you or do you not concede that the heaven you believe in depicts the possibility?

LordReed:
Job1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

Did it really say heaven? We were never told where the presentation took place. You're just assuming.

Do you or do you not concede that the heaven you believe in depicts the possibility?

I have told you that heaven is a pure place because there's no sin there. Hence, no evil.

LordReed:
Job1:6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.

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It actually says "the Sons of God" which makes it worse.

Furthermore in 2 Chronicles 18:19-22, Yahweh holds a council in heaven where he endorses the creation and propagation of a lie inorder to destroy a man.

Is that not evil in heaven.