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DeepSight:
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Why then was Yahweh afraid that the man had become "like one of us, knowing good and evil.?..

Now you have seen why for now you see man has become God's enemy and now worthy of punischmt, destruction and every bad thing.

FxMasterz:
..When He judges someone for wickedness and brings evil upon him, that does not translate to him doing evil...

Rather, it is even Him doing good for the giving of "just is" to he who has received evil, that the evildoer does not escape, IS GOOD!!!

Dtruthspeaker:
Rather, it is Him doing good of giving

Exactly.

DeepSight:
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Justified judgement is not evil so you can't use that as an example.

Since you admit that it is not evil, then you have admitted that it is good!!

Therefore, it stands that God has only done Good.

DeepSight:
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So God creates evil but does not do evil.
Gotcha...

Yet, none of you have called Kalashnikov evil for creating the evil called AK47

FxMasterz:
Yes. I can create amala without eating amala. Gotcha!

Perfect!!!

And then he couldn't counter

Dtruthspeaker:
No. You do not understand this.

Salvation via slaying of lamb came in Exodus which is even after Noah's world was washed away.

Then, the Holy Lamb was slain in Matthew's time.

So this declaration is just stating that God's Word also operates retroactively.

Just one question, was Exodus writen before the foundation of the world?
I showed you the scriptures refer to Jesus Christ as the lamb slain before the foundation of the world and you bring up exodus.

Jesus Christ was chosen to die even before creation, thousands of years before Exodus was written.

Or don't you believe your bible?

Dtruthspeaker:
Perfect!!!

And then he couldn't counter

You mean Deepsight?

He was in denial, claiming contradictions that didn't exist. All my explanations in a bid to simplify things for him fell on deaf ears.

[quote author=FxMasterz post=138109312][/quote]You are saying that Adam in the garden knew to do good but did not have the ability to do good until he ate the fruit?

The yahoo example doesn't cut it. If you don't know how to do yahoo, you don't have the choice to do it. That's simple.

The bible was clear. Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of Good and Evil.
They had no idea what good or evil was.
They didn't even realize their unclothedness.

So comparing Adam to a prospective Yahoo boy is wrong. A would be yahoo boy already knows that yahoo is wrong meanwhile, this is what the Lord said about Adam

Genesis 3.22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Note,
This lack of knowledge wasn't limited to Evil. It was an ignorance to both good and evil

DeepSight:
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I don hear.

I am waiting for the evils you said Yahweh did. Even if you cannot quote the Scriptures, just name the stories.

I have read the Bible from Genesis to revelation several times without number and can easily tell you the details of the stories you mention as well as the background and context of those stories.

From experience, when men do evil, you guys don't see it. It is only God's judgement upon the evil people that you see. You then conclude that God is evil without minding that He was judging people who were doing evil after waiting hundreds of years for them to repent.

But since you have admitted that justice rightfully executed is not evil, I will like you to prove your statements that Yahweh did evil.

DeepSight:
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The point is that you are asking a question which, if you think well, will lead you out of your bondage.

You boys always decide that others are in bondage. Think about your own life.
I have been asking deep questions probably before you were born and it only led me closer to the truth.

The reason why you are unbelieving is not because you ask questions, its because you have already decided the answers to your questions. Its because of your laziness.

tctrills:
You are saying that Adam in the garden knew to do good but did not have the ability to do good until he ate the fruit?

No, I didn't say that. That's your own interpretation of what I said is that they knew that evil exists but they did not know how to carry it out. They didn't even have the slightest sense/, intuition /trigger/enlightenment to carry it out. Their understanding did not include "how to do evil". The only know evil can be done. The desire and the how was not there.

The yahoo example doesn't cut it. If you don't know how to do yahoo, you don't have the choice to do it. That's simple.

Not that simple. You don't know how to do Yahoo because you don't have the desire to do it. You don't even have the sense of doing it. It does not even cross your mind to do it. Otherwise, you'll find out how to do it and then do it.

The bible was clear. Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of Good and Evil.
They had no idea what good or evil was.
They didn't even realize their unclothedness.

They had no understanding about carrying out good and evil. That instinct to do good or evil was not there. They just only knew hiow to do whatever God wanted them to do. They knew good and evil exists. For example, when God told them not to eat of the tree of the 'knowledge of good and devil's, did it sound like jargons to them? They understand exactly what God meant. But the desire to do what God does not want was not there. It didn't even cross my minds.

For example, today we carry the opposite nature of what Adam and Eve used to be. The average sinner does not know how to do any good. It doesn't even cross his mind to do good. All he wants to do is to satisfy and please himself according to his lusts and fleshly desires. He doesn't care a out what God wants or what others want. Before the fall, Adam cared only about what God wants. Everything changed after the are that fruit.

Love is the root of all righteousness. Selfishness is the root of all evil.

So comparing Adam to a prospective Yahoo boy is wrong. A would be yahoo boy already knows that yahoo is wrong meanwhile, this is what the Lord said about Adam

Genesis 3.22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

As I have explained, that is to understand the workings of good and evil. To know how to carry them out. To have the desire to do them with selfishness now taking the upper hand, they have they desire to do evil more than good after eating the fruit. This desire wasn't there at the beginning.

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This lack of knowledge wasn't limited to Evil. It was an ignorance to both good and evil

The ignorance is in not knowing how to carry out the acts or even desiring them. The instinct was not there. The only instinct that was there is obedience. They knew they could disobey, but the instinct to carry out disobedience was not there. They didn't even ever approach the tree to.examinebthe fruits until Satan called Eve's attention to it.

These are very deep things that I don't even have the right words to express certain things. Maybe this can give deepsight more light.

tctrills:
You are saying that Adam in the garden knew to do good but did not have the ability to do good until he ate the fruit?

The yahoo example doesn't cut it. If you don't know how to do yahoo, you don't have the choice to do it. That's simple.

The bible was clear. Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of Good and Evil.
They had no idea what good or evil was.
They didn't even realize their unclothedness.

So comparing Adam to a prospective Yahoo boy is wrong. A would be yahoo boy already knows that yahoo is wrong meanwhile, this is what the Lord said about Adam

Genesis 3.22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Note,
This lack of knowledge wasn't limited to Evil. It was an ignorance to both good and evil

Let me give another illustration here.

You have an A/C is your house working perfectly until it became faulty.

Except you have been introduced to A/C repairs before, it would never even cross your mind to make an attempt to repair that A/C. The A/C could remain in its faulty state for years even though you know it can be repaired, you wouldn't even touch it because it never crosses your mind to even see what's inside, let alone attempting a repair. It will be there gathering dust until you call an engineer on it. Even if all engineers say they're not available for the repairs, you won't even yhi6if doing it yourself. But, once any engineer arrives and opens the A/C in your presence and he repairs it in your presence, that changes things. Next time if it has a fault (especially if the engineers say they're unavailable), you might decide,"let me me attempt this thing myself, it might be just a small disconnection "

This is the situation with Adam and Eve. They didn't even go around the tree to examine the fruits on it because it didn't even cross their minds. But once Satan (the A/C engineer) came into the picture, he taught them how to disregard God's instructions and do whatever they think is good for themselves. They now know how to carry out their own wills and do their own biddings.

This was the situation of Adam and Eve. They knew evil could be done but had no inspiration/motivation for it. This is also for Deepsight.

tctrills:
You boys always decide that others are in bondage. Think about your own life.
I have been asking deep questions probably before you were born and it only led me closer to the truth.

The reason why you are unbelieving is not because you ask questions, its because you have already decided the answers to your questions. Its because of your laziness.

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Surely you are over 70 then.

FxMasterz:
Let me give another illustration here.

You have an A/C is your house working perfectly until it became faulty.

Except you have been introduced to A/C repairs before, it would never even cross your mind to make an attempt to repair that A/C. The A/C could remain in its faulty state for years even though you know it can be repaired, you wouldn't even touch it because it never crosses your mind to even see what's inside, let alone attempting a repair. It will be there gathering dust until you call an engineer on it. Even if all engineers say they're not available for the repairs, you won't even yhi6if doing it yourself. But, once any engineer arrives and opens the A/C in your presence and he repairs it in your presence, that changes things. Next time if it has a fault (especially if the engineers say they're unavailable), you might decide,"let me me attempt this thing myself, it might be just a small disconnection "

This is the situation with Adam and Eve. They didn't even go around the tree to examine the fruits on it because it didn't even cross their minds. But once Satan (the A/C engineer) came into the picture, he taught them how to disregard God's instructions and do whatever they think is good for themselves. They now know how to carry out their own wills and do their own biddings.

This was the situation of Adam and Eve. They knew evil could be done but had no inspiration/motivation for it. This is also for Deepsight.

You are missing an entire half of the picture. Was satan the AC engineer that also taught them to do Good? Remember, it was not only evil that the fruit opened their eyes to.

Again, you seem to be writing a new bible. The bible we have says they had no knowledge of Good and Evil, but you have changed it to, " they had no knowledge of how to commit evil.

But let's stick to the good part for a while. If we must believe you, it should also mean that Adam and Eve had no knowledge of how to do good. They knew good could be done, but had no inspiration/motivation for it before satan the AC engineer, taught them

DeepSight:
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Surely you are over 70 then.

And you are 69

tctrills:
You are missing an entire half of the picture. Was satan the AC engineer that also taught them to do Good? Remember, it was not only evil that the fruit opened their eyes to.

See, Good never need be learnt in Adam's early days. It was a nature. Just as today, evil needs never be learnt. It's a nature. No one teaches an infant to disobey. He just disobeys. That's all. That was how Adam was. His nature was to do good. The fruit gave him a double nature. Satan didn't teach him to do evil. He only brought him into the awareness that evil can be done. I didn't get anything close to that in illustration, that's why I used the AC engineer example.

Again, you seem to be writing a new bible. The bible we have says they had no knowledge of Good and Evil, but you have changed it to, " they had no knowledge of how to commit evil.

But let's stick to the good part for a while. If we must believe you, it should also mean that Adam and Eve had no knowledge of how to do good. They knew good could be done, but had no inspiration/motivation for it before satan the AC engineer, taught them

As I said above, they had a nature. My position is very consistent with the Bible. What we call the Adamic nature today is the desire to do evil. The awareness to do evil and even enjoy it. Though we know that Good exists. Today , Good is hard to do but evil is very easy because it is a nature. This was the opposite of what Adam had in the beginning. Evil was hard but good was easy because it was a nature.

The Bible called the tree "Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil". How can you say Adam does not know what that name means? The Bible hides deep truths to be discovered as gems. They knew evil exists but had no awareness of carrying it out. It wasn't in their nature.

See, Good never need be learnt in Adam's early days. It was a nature. Just as today, evil needs never be learnt. It's a nature. No one teaches an infant to disobey. He just disobeys. That's all. That was how Adam was. His nature was to do good. The fruit gave him a double nature. Satan didn't teach him to do evil. He only brought him into the awareness that evil can be done. I didn't get anything close to that in illustration, that's why I used the AC engineer example.
You are contradicting the bible. The bible said the fruit gave the knowledge of both good and evil. So If the fruit had nothing to go with the knowledge of Good, why was it named so? Was it also satan that brought Adam to the Awearness that good can be done? Again, if I don't have the awareness that evil can be done, then obviously, I can't choose to do evil.



As I said above, they had a nature. My position is very consistent with the Bible. What we call the Adamic nature today is the desire to do evil. The awareness to do evil and even enjoy it. Though we know that Good exists. Today , Good is hard to do but evil is very easy because it is a nature. This was the opposite of what Adam had in the beginning. Evil was hard but good was easy because it was a nature.

No, sir, your bible says they did not know Good or evil. Your position is that they had the knowledge but did not know how to go about committing that evil. Please listen to the very words of the Lord.
Genesis 3:22
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Note, He did not say man now knows how to commit evil. He did not say that man is now aware that evil can be done. He said Man now knows good and evil. So do we believe you or believe the bible?

The Bible called the tree "Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil". How can you say Adam does not know what that name means? The Bible hides deep truths to be discovered as gems. They knew evil exists but had no awareness of carrying it out. It wasn't in their nature.
Now you are talking about knowing what the name means. My 3-year-old may know the word evil, but he doesn't really know good and evil.
Yes, it is called the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil." So you should know that before eating it, they did not have the knowledge of Good and evil.

From the bible we know the following
1. Adam did not have the knowledge of good
2. Adam did not have the knowledge of evil
3. Adam did not feel shame in unclothedness, just like a 2-year-old baby

tctrills:
Just one question, was Exodus writen before the foundation of the world?
I showed you the scriptures refer to Jesus Christ as the lamb slain before the foundation of the world and you bring up exodus.

Jesus Christ was chosen to die even before creation, thousands of years before Exodus was written.

Or don't you believe your bible?

Then the question is, was He slain before the world was created?

No.

Then, therefore, that message has another meaning.

Which is that His Sacrifice was is so powerful that it cleans retroactively even down to pre Adam, that is if there is any man needing saving even before Adam, it would avail him.

Exodus shows us when God gave The Command of man's salvation via the slaying of the lamb. So Christ slaying before the foundation of world did not and cannot take place before Exodus, so that is not what it means.

FxMasterz:
Understanding the Bible's Core Message from Genesis to Revelation
The Bible has an answer for all the questions we ask about life and about the world. I will like to make the Bible plain to you in a simple summary.
The Beginning of Evil
{b}God is a God of Relationship{/b}. He likes relating with His creations. In fact, He created man for two reasons: 1. Punishment for Satan. 2. Relationship.
God created man majorly because He wanted to relate with Him. That man cannot be a zombie or a robot. There's no true relationship with a robot. Hence man must be able to choose his actions and be responsible for them. This is where love and loyalty will be defined. What is a relationship without love and loyalty?
For love to exist, there must be a choice to hate. And for loyalty to exist, there must be a choice to rebel. You cannot know if someone loves you if that person has no alternative. You cannot know if someone is disloyal to you if that person never sees an opportunity to rebel.
The ability to hate and a decision to love is what makes relationship a sweet thing. The whole world is founded on this principle down to the last family that just formed.
This is why evil exists. There's evil because we're not zombies. We can choose an action and the opposite of the action as we please. And that's what makes life meaningful and worth living.
The First Evil
God didn't create evil directly. Evil is a by-product of sin. To release evil, someone somewhere must sin. Someone somewhere must choose an action that gratifies himself/herself. He must choose to hate instead of loving. Rebel instead of being loyal.
The First Sinner
Satan was the first to choose an action that gratifies self. An action that destabilized the relationship between him and God. He rebelled.
This is what makes Satan the source of all manifest evil. He was in the world before man. And as I earlier said, man was created as an instrument of judgement for Satan. This is the reason why Satan hates man with fervent hatred. (Please read Genesis 1:26 to understand that Satan is symbolically called the serpent - creeping thing). God deliberately gave man (dust) dominion over Satan (the creeping thing) in order to humiliate him for his rebellion.
How it all Started
Satan was in heaven with God. Called Lucifer, he was a specially created being, and one of the highest ranking archangels in heaven. He was so delicately created - a masterpiece of God's creative expertise. His frame made him proud and arrogant. He began to nurse the thoughts of becoming a king. He then schemed against God and was cast down here to the earth from heaven. Then the "...the earth became without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep." (Genesis 1). God then decided to restore the earth. He then created virtually all things including animals in preparation for the man He wanted to create. This man will be a punishment for Satan, and also be a being God would relate with, coming down to interact with him at the cool of every day.
In short, God's purpose for restoring the earth after it was disfigured was to create man from dust, and make that dust rule Satan in eternal humiliation, with God relating with that man like a friend. So, God created man and made him the Sovereign on the same earth where Satan dwelt. Satan couldn't stand the humiliation, so he schemed to snatch the Sovereignty away from man. He tempted Eve to choose an opposite action.. He attempted to make her disloyal. Satan succeeds. Man lost his dignity. The Glory of God that covered him disappeared, and he became naked. Satan quickly sized the opportunity of man's weakened state and became the god of this world.
God didn't interfere because man as sovereign had the final say on whatever he does in the world. The earth was man's absolute control (Psalm 115:16). If man has decided to exchange positions with Satan, then, so be it.
Did God know that man would fail? Yes, God knew but He still created man anyway because Satan must be punished, and God must have a friend. However, God devised a solution to man's failure ever before man was created - "The lamb slain from the foundation of the world (ever before man or anything was created in the world) for the restoration of man." Revelation 13:8.
As a result of man's fall, Satan reigned from a position of authority over the world, and began to multiply evils through sins as he pleased.
In short, God knew evil will come because man would fail, but nonetheless, God's purpose for man as His medium of punishment for Satan must be fulfilled. The gains, including God's potential for having a friend far outweighs the losses. However as I said earlier, God also had a rescue plan for man to restore him to his initial position of Sovereignty after giving Satan enough time to repent.
Why will God Punish Man for Sins He Knew He'll Commit Even Before Creating Him?
God is not punishing man for any evil. This is a misunderstanding brought by religion. Instead, God is punishing Satan for his evils. Man would be exonerated if he comes into God's provision for his exoneration and restoration. Hell was NEVER created for man. It was created for the devil and fallen angels who have vowed never to reconcile with God (Matthew 25:41).

However, God wants to cleanse the earth and restore it. He'll remove Satan and stop all evils. The earth would then continue eternally as was originally planned - evil free. But, man needs to be cleansed so that the evils of that old world would not be carried over into the reordered world by human carriers.
So, cleansed humans who are of no threat to the new world would pass over into the new and refurbished world where Satan is completely absent. God has devised a new form of punishment for him - everlasting fire (Mathew 25:41). In the absence of Satan and human carriers of evil, Good and righteousness continue forever in the new world. No one to deceive anybody to choose wrong actions. Man continues to reign with the guidance of Jesus, the man-God who abolishes evil by guiding man to choose righteousness forever.
God is not punishing man for any evil in the world, otherwise, God wouldn't make provision for his exoneration. God loves man so much, He doesn't want him punished. That's why He put Himself in the position of the man to redeem his sovereignty which Satan stole by subtlety. Since only man must redeem man, no one can do it for him. But man was weak. He couldn't help himself. He was doomed forever to be oppressed by Satan in his own world. God couldn't bear to see man in that condition for all eternity. He had to clothe Himself as man, and come to the world to do for man what man could not do for himself. Jesus came and redeemed man's sovereignty. After accomplishing that task, He left the world to give opportunity for men to cleanse themselves from evil in order to be able to inhabit the world once refurbished.
Because, as for that new world "Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.." (Revelation 21:27). Those who purge themselves of evil by taking advantage of God's provision for their purging immediately have their names written in the Book of Life as citizens of the refurbished world that is coming.
Men who reject the cleansing are considered a threat to the new world God is establishing, and must therefore be ridded out by quarantining them in the same place where all evils are quarantined. The innate evil in a man must be purged out so he would not carry evil into that 'eviless' world.
If you understand this plan of God, you'll begin to see the reason why many religions missed it, and why there's so much evil in the world. Satan hates man so much because man was actually created for his humiliation. You'll also understand why Satan has to deny that Jesus died. Jesus's death is for man's cleansing which is a huge threat to Satan. It was the very price Jesus paid to redeem man's sovereignty from Satan. Satan has to deny it because that's the only way he can stop men from being cleansed or liberated from his grip..
God intentionally created the world. The world would continue as planned but Satan must be out and all evils. Men must be cleansed. Then, righteousness reigns forever and ever. Is your name written in the Book of Life? [b]Come to Jesus today for your cleansing.[/b

Hogwash! 🥱🥱🥱🥱

I am with China on this. Religion is some sort of mental illness that strips individuals of the ability to comprehend all things, including life as it presents itself. 🥱🥱🥱

Fxmasterz

tctrills:
You are saying that Adam in the garden knew to do good but did not have the ability tox do good until he ate the fruit?

The question is, if Adam did not know good and evil, what then was he doing?

That is
1) were they doing good, even though they did not know it?

Or

2) were they doing evil, even though they do not know?

And the answer is that they were doing good, even though they did not know it.

Kobojunkie:
Hogwash! 🥱🥱🥱🥱

I am with China on this. Religion is some sort of mental illness that strips individuals of the ability to comprehend all things, including life as it presents itself. 🥱🥱🥱

According to the junkie himself.

Even attributing to China what China didn't say. China specifically said 'Islam' but the junkie heard 'religion'. 😂

Dtruthspeaker:
Fxmasterz


The question is, if Adam did not know good and evil, what then was he doing?

That is
1) were they doing good, even though they did not know it?

Or

2) were they doing evil, even though they do not know?

And the answer is that they were doing good, even though they did not know it.

I believe they knew they were doing good. Without that knowledge, they wouldn't also know if they were doing evil. That means Cain didn't know that killing Abel was evil. In that case, it would not be just for God to reward good or judge evil.

tctrills:
And you are 69

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But you would not have been philosophising at one year old na. Stop this nonsense.

tctrills:
You are missing an entire half of the picture. Was satan the AC engineer that also taught them to do Good? Remember, it was not only evil that the fruit opened their eyes to.

Again, you seem to be writing a new bible. The bible we have says they had no knowledge of Good and Evil, but you have changed it to, " they had no knowledge of how to commit evil.

But let's stick to the good part for a while. If we must believe you, it should also mean that Adam and Eve had no knowledge of how to do good. They knew good could be done, but had no inspiration/motivation for it before satan the AC engineer, taught them

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Pls put aside your hatred for me, I really am interested in where you are going with this.

What's your central point?

DeepSight:
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Pls put aside your hatred for me, I really am interested in where you are going with this.

What's your central point?

My guy, I don't hate you. Fxmasterz seems to think the bible is wrong for teaching that Adam and Eve did not know good and evil before eating the fruit

Dtruthspeaker:
Fxmasterz


The question is, if Adam did not know good and evil, what then was he doing?

That is
1) were they doing good, even though they did not know it?

Or

2) were they doing evil, even though they do not know?

And the answer is that they were doing good, even though they did not know it.

If you aredoing good unknowingly, then it's not your choice. You are more like a useful machine. Just like my car that does me real good without knowing.

Dtruthspeaker:
Then the question is, was He slain before the world was created?

No.

Then, therefore, that message has another meaning.

Which is that His Sacrifice was is so powerful that it cleans retroactively even down to pre Adam, that is if there is any man needing saving even before Adam, it would avail him.

Exodus shows us when God gave The Command of man's salvation via the slaying of the lamb. So Christ slaying before the foundation of world did not and cannot take place before Exodus, so that is not what it means.

Yes, it means He was chosen to die even before the world was created.

The verse below explains it super clear so you would no longer be confused.

1 Peter 1:18–20
"...knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you.

In case you need more explanation
Acts 2:23" This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men."

So you see that Jesus Christ was foreknown before the foundation of the world according to the definite plan of God. Need I say more?

tctrills:
If you aredoing good unknowingly, then it's not your choice. You are more like a useful machine. Just like my car that does me real good without knowing.

That means God actually created zombies. But from the look of things, that want the case. Adam consciously and intelligently named all the animals that were brought to him.

tctrills:
My guy, I don't hate you. Fxmasterz seems to think the bible is wrong for teaching that Adam and Eve did not know good and evil before eating the fruit

The Bible is not wrong. It's your own understanding of that statement that's wrong.

If they didn't know good and evil as you are thinking, then:

1. They were zombies. Robots.

2. Even when they were eating the fruits, they didn't know they were doing anything evil. Then why should God judge them if He created them not to know what they were doing? Then, it was injustice for God to curse them. That'll be very unjust.

And it gets even more disasterous because if they didn't know good and evil, it also means they could do good and also do evil without knowing what they did. That's a very dangerous world. It's very illogical. You can't even come to terms with such s world. That'll be a very chaotic world where the inhabitants are unaware of the chaos.

You would have to explain these two situations above if you think they didn't know.

FxMasterz:
The Bible is not wrong. It's your own understanding of that statement that's wrong.

If they didn't know good and evil as you are thinking, then:

1. They were zombies. Robots.

2. Even when they were eating the fruits, they didn't know they were doing anything evil. Then why should God judge them if He created them not to know what they were doing? Then, it was injustice for God to curse them. That'll be very unjust.

And it gets even more disasterous because if they didn't know good and evil, it also means they could do good and also do evil without knowing what they did. That's a very dangerous world. It's very illogical. You can't even come to terms with such s world. That'll be a very chaotic world where the inhabitants are unaware of the chaos.

You would have to explain these two situations above if you think they didn't know.

No, I don't need to explain what you think, I only need to believe what the bible teaches and not adjust it to fit my logic. But then lets look to your points.

1. Your 2 years old doesnt know good or bad, is she a robot?

2. Again. why scolled you 2 years baby for messing up when you know she is innocent? Let's look at the judgment God gave to them.
He made them work hard; life was not going to be easy anymore. This is one of the best things that has happened to man. It has led to great innovation and creativity; we no longer depend on a garden for food. Their action also brought forth Jesus Christ, the greatest blessing ever to mankind. It does not show injustice; it shows great love.

3. Yes, they were innocent and were in a protected garden, where they did not have so many choices for good or evil. So as long as they remained in the garden under God's protection, they were not going to do some thing dangarous. (This point is just my opinion)

4. Just because it doesn't fit our logic doesn't mean we get to change the scripture. If the scripture says they knew no good or evil, we accept it without looking for a way to slim-fit the truth to fit our own doctrines.

FxMasterz:
That means God actually created zombies. But from the look of things, that want the case. Adam consciously and intelligently named all the animals that were brought to him.

No, Adam and Eve are His children, and He gave them the one choice to choose to know good and evil or to remain innocent forever in the garden. The choice they made came with many chanleges but it also presented opportunities and great blessings.

After eating the fruit, they did not become more like satan but they became more like God. The Lord said, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil. The knowledge of good and evil is a treat of God. Again, being able to name things and the ability to choose are not the same thing. ChatGPT can name things, but it is more of a robot. So that point is not valid. Intelligence and ability to make moral choices are not entirely the same thing. That is why so many really smart people make very bad choices,